Cng sut phn khng l g vy ? Ti sao trong thc t mnh ch nghe ni n cng sut tiu th thi vy?

Cho Mnh hi t nh. Cng sut phn khng l g vy ? Ti sao trong thc t mnh ch nghe ni n cng sut tiu th thi vy? Mi lin h gia hai i lng l g vy? C phi chng i lp nhau khng? ng v phng din thit b v ngi tiu dng th s dng cng sut phn khng hay cng sut tiu th c li vy? Em mi i hc nn cha rnh ch ny lm nh em ch gip nh TR LI Cng sut phn khng Q ca mt nhnh ni ln cng ca qu trnh dao ng nng lng. Trong mng in c cc thnh phn mang tnh in khng hay in dung s s dng mt cng sut c bit c gi l cng sut phn khng ( cng sut m). Cng sut phn khng c tiu th thng thng cc ng c khng ng b,my bin p,trn ng dy v mi ni c t trng. Yu cu cng sut phn khng ch c th gim n ti thiu ch khng trit tiu c v n l yu t cn thit to ra t trng,yu t trung gian ti hu trong qu trnh chuyn ha in nng. Thng thng ng c khng ng b tiu th khong 60-65% trn li in. My bin p tiu th khong 20-25 %.ng dy v cc ph ti khc khong 10%. Trong ng c cng sut tc dng P l cng sut c bin thnh cng nh c nng hoc nhit nng ,cn cng sut phn khng Q l cng sut t ha trong my in xoay chiu v n khng sinh ra cng. Cng sut phn khng tiu th trong ng c khng ng b chia lm hai thnh phn chnh.Mt phn nh cng sut phn khng c s dng sinh ra t trng tn trong mch s cp v th cp. Phn cn li dng sinh ra t trng khe h. Mt s lu vi ng c khng ng b : _ Khi in p tng,s tiu th cng sut phn khng tng do mc t ha tng v tn t tng,do vy vic tng in p vn hnh cha m bo tn tht gim. _ i vi nhng ng c cng sut nh,do tng mt cch tng i khe h khng kh gia rotor v stator lm tng lng tn t,do vy cng sut phn khng tng. _ ng c tc thp,hiu sut km,tiu th cng sut phn khng tng..... L thuyt l vy. Khi no bit hn s post tip ! Thn i ! TR LI 2 minh l dan cung moi hoc.minh biet gi thhi ni cho ban ghe ha! cng sut phn khn l cong sut tn hao trong qu trnh my vn hnh.v d nh ng c c cun dy th cun dy cng sinh ra din tr,hay qu trnh tn hao do ma st trong my^^.tt c ci lm mnh tn hao 1 phn cng sut(gi l cng sut phn khn). v sao trong tht t ch ghe ni dn cng sut tieu thu:v cng sut tiu th l cng sut lm vic ca my(c ngha l cng c ch ^^).cn phn khn th du c sinh ra cng cho mnh,nn n vo dung o ai nhc.) v mi lin h ca n th bn nn coi cong thc tnh ton cua 2 thng(ni chung 2 thng c chung 1 mi lien h v cospi)

v phng din ngi dng thi tui khi ni bn cng cng bit cu tr li ri ha. cn v vic khc phc cng sut phn khn l 1 vn d hay.n c lien quan n h s cospi.v vic ny bn hy nghim cu v b diu khin b cho ng c(nu c thc mc v vic thit k b iu khin b th hi tui^^) anhbanhien87@yahoo.com BN CHT CNG SUT PHN KHNG Cho mnh hi ti sao in dung to ra cng sut phn khng (CSPK) cn in cm th tiu th CSPK. Nguyn nhn sinh ra CSPK. Ti sao qu trnh t ha ca my in hay my bin p li cn CSPK (nu qu trnh t ha cn CSPK th ti sao gi CSPK l v cng). Trong my in n nhn nng lng in sinh ra t trng nhng ti sao li tr nng lng khi t trng yu. Ni chung mnh cn hiu bn cht va CSPK v mt vt l. Mong cc bn ch gip TR LI 1 Vn ny rt hay . Quan h l quan h gia t trng v in trng. Nu bn mun hiu mt cch tht xa th bn nn c li L thuyt mch 1 v quan h . Cn hiu mt cch n gin hn th nh th ny. Q=u*i*sin(phi) i vi ph ti thun R th u v i i qua n cng pha nn khng cn cung cp Q. Cn i vi ph ti no m c L, C( ni chung ph ti ca ta l c L thi nh) th Q khc 0. C th Q ln hn 0 khi n cha L, v nh hn 0 khi cha C. Vi cch gii thch ny ch gii thch c phn 1 cu hi ca bn. Cn ti sao P th ph ti tiu th, cn Q th khng tiu th( nhng vn cn phi c). gii thch tip tc th li phi i vo su xa vn hn na. Vn ny c bn a ra tho lun vi mnh in n Bch Khoa Forum, cc bn c th tham kho xem: "Cc khi nim v cng sut "c in" v hin i" [Thnh vin mi nhn thy link. ] Copy and paste ra y my on: Traidatcang: M u: Khi hc ht L thuyt mch 1, hoc bn am hiu cc cng thc tnh cng sut xoay chiu trong l ph thng, bn bao gi t v tr li cu hi: 1. Cng sut l nng lng trong 1 n v thi gian. Trong cc mch c phn t R-L-C, c cng sut phn khng: Q=UI sin(phi) v cng sut tc dng P = UI cos ( phi ) , cng sut biu kin S = UI . Vy thc cht cc khi nim trn c ngha th no v mt truyn ti nng lng , h s cos ( phi ) c ngha v mt vt l nh no? 2. Ti sao v mt n v [ P]= [u]*[I ] = W ,nhng [ Q] = [U ]*[i] =VA m vit W l sai? 3. Bn no hc L thuyt mch 1 th bit: cng sut truyn ti trung bnh W = tch phn

(p(t)) = P; trong p(t) = u(t)*i(t) l hm cng sut tc thi. Theo iu ny c ngha l gi tr trung bnh ca cng sut trn mch = cng sut tc dng; v cng sut phn khng khng c ngha trn phng din truyn ti cng sut, vy ti sao ngi ta li rt quan tm ti cng sut phn khng thng qua vic quan tm ti h s cos (phi) trn li cng nh trong cc my in (VD: ng c qut phi c h s cos (phi) >=0.8......) hay l vic t cc my b cng sut phn khng trn li. (VD: trong 8 t my ca nh my in Ha Bnh lun c 1 t my lm nhim v ny......).??? Rt mong cc bn trao i kin vi mnh. Baohuy_pla: Vn bn traidatcang a ra rt hay. l cc vn c bn ca k thut in nhng khng phi ai cng nm r v khi o su th cng ra c khi vn th v. Lm bn my iu nh sau: 1. Ba khi nim cng sut trn theo mnh l nh sau: -> Cng sut biu kin: Khi nhn i tng nh mt hp en (mng mt ca) th ta thy c dng vo I v in p vo U. Tch ca 2 i lng ny ta s c tng cng sut cp cho mch l S = U*I. Cng sut ny l cng sut tng, n l cng sut "nhn thy" cp cho mch nn c tn gi l cng sut biu kin. Tuy nhin, i lng ny cha th hin c ht kh nng tiu th cng sut ca ti v trong ti tn ti 2 phn t "kho nng lng" l Cun khng L - kho t v T in C - kho in. Vic tn ti 2 kho nng lng ny khin cho cng sut a vo S khng c tiu th ht m phi chia thnh 2 thnh phn: Cng sut tiu th P v cng sut phn khng Q. -> Cng sut tiu th P: Trong 3 khi nim th c l khi nim ny d hiu nht. Cng sut tiu th P l cng sut tiu tn trn phn t in tr R v tnh theo lut Jun - Lenxo: P = sqr(I)*R. t trong mi quan h vector vi cng sut biu kin S th ta c P = S*Cos(phi) vi phi l gc gia vector P v vector S. -> Cng sut phn khng Q: y c l l khi nim kh hiu nht. Mnh cng ch hiu s s th ny thi: 2 "kho nng lng" L-C cp trn c tnh cht phng np dng v p, t C phng np in p, cun khng L phng np dng in. V cng nh chng ta ht vo th ra cn co bp phi th vic phng np nng lng nh th cng cn c nng lng, v chnh cng sut phn khng Q l nng lng tiu tn cho qu trnh ny. Xt trn quan im tiu th cng sut th phn nng lng ny l "v ch" v phc v cho mt ci qu trnh tch ly ri li gii phng, khng em li li ch g. Tuy nhin, ch "v ch" mnh trong du " " v c nhng trng hp ngi ta cn n cng sut ny, nu khng c n th khng c nh nghch lu ph thuc vy. 2. Vn n v [W] v [VA] (Watt v Volt - Ampe) Theo mnh th y l 2 i lng c ngha cc k hay trong k thut in m nu bn

traidatcang khng a ra th mnh cng khng ti. n v W vn l Jun/giy! n v W ra i t khi ngi ta mun o kh nng lm vic ca ci my hi nc (cha c in nh) v c tnh l cng sinh ra trong mt giy (W = J/s). in cng l nng lng nn cng sut tiu th ca in ng nhin l o c bng W. Tuy nhin, ti sao cng l cng sut nhng cng sut phn khng Q (v do l cng sut biu kin S c cha Q) li khng c c n v l W? Theo mnh, vn l, cng sut Q l mt cng sut "o", n khng c kh nng sinh cng, khng sinh ra c mt Jun no c, do , n khng th l J/s ging nh ngi anh em P c. V do , n v ca Q nh phi l VA tc l p nhn vi dng. (Poor him!!!) 3. Vn h s cng sut Cos(phi) Nh ni, phi l gc gia S v P. Cng sut tiu th P = S*cos(phi). Cng sut phn khng Q = S*sin(phi). V r rng khi s dng in ngi ta mun gim ti a ci anh phn khng Q, tc l nng cao ti a anh tiu th P -> cn nng cao h s Cos(phi). Cc my b ng b chnh l lm nhim v b li ci cng sut Q . Ta bit l cc my sn xut u c ng c, v ng c th mang tnh cm - tc l c cun khng. V mt nh my sn xut ln th tnh cm ca h thng sn xut nh my ln -> s dng nhiu Q v do h s cos(phi) thp. V may mn cho h l tnh dung khng ca t in li b c tnh cm khng ca cun dy (2 ci vector n ngc chiu nhau m). Do cc c s sn xut ln ngi ta cn c b b li bng tnh cht dung khng. B b ny c th l t b. Hi i thc tp nhn thc Xi mng Hong Thch mnh thy mt ci t b to bng ci t lnh! Hoc ngi ta dng my b ng b. My b ng b ny thc cht chnh l ng c ng b chy khng ti. ng c ng b n c mt s tnh cht c bit, trong c tnh tiu th cng sut phn khng ca li in bng tnh dung khng ca n. (Cn ti sao th mnh cng khng nm r, s tm hiu v post ln trong thi gian ti!) V c mt trng hp tiu th cng sut phn khng na l ch nghch lu ph thuc ca mch bin i Thyristor - tuy nhin y cng l vn hi kh hiu, cng phi sau vy! ang vi ln tr li cho bn mt phn nh, lc khc s tr li k hn. Bn cht ca Q ln hay nh ch l s lch in p gia U v I nhiu hay t. Thc cht khng c ci gi l: Cng sut phn khng, n ch l mt khi nim tng tng d dng cho tnh ton, ging nh s o. Ti sao li goi l thit b ny tiu th Q, thit b kia pht Q? l v khi qua mt in khng hay in dung, gc lc U v I (fi) thay i, nu v trn th cng sut, vi P gi nguyn ta thy rng Q ngn i hay di ra, th l ngi ta gi l tiu th hay pht Q, thc cht ch l gc lch fi thay i, ch khng th coi l tiu th nng lng c, chnh v khng h sinh cng nn Q gi l cng sut v cng. V th my pht in ngi ta ch c thng s pht nh mc l P (MW) ch khng phi S

modul S m ln th khng ni ln iu g v mt nng lng, m cn phi xem t l P, Q th no mi c Theo ti, ni Q l cng sut (power) l sai, dn n nhiu hiu lm tinh t. :D Mnh khng tn thnh vi kin ny. Cng sut phn khng khng phi ch l mt khi nim tng tng cho d tnh ton, n c ngha Vt l ng hong v cc k quan trng. Nu khng c cng sut phn khng, chng ta ch c bng n v bp in :D ch khng bao gi c c my bin p, ng c in,... nhng th tiu th cng sut phn khng. Theo mnh, nh ni bi trn, cng sut phn khng l cng sut tiu tn cho vic bin i nng lng in t. N khng to ra cng hu ch nhn thy u ra ca ti, do ngi ta gi l cng sut v cng, nhng "v cng" khng phi l "v ch" v cng khng phi l mt "khi nim tng tng tnh ton". Ta xt mt ci ng c. Ta thy rng, ta a in vo u vo ca ng c, u ra ta c cng sut c ca trc quay. Nu tm b qua cc tn hao ng, st v ma st th cng sut c ny bng vi cng sut tc dng cp cho ng c. Vy ci ng c phi lm mt vic l: bin in nng thnh c nng. Vy n lm cng vic ny nh th no? Liu ci ng c c th lm mt cng vic bin i nh vy m khng tiu tn cht nng lng no hay sao??? Nu iu xy ra th s vi phm nh lut bo ton v chuyn ha nng lng. lm c cng vic chuyn ha , ng c cn tiu tn mt phn nng lng cp vo m khng a ra trn trc, chnh l cng sut phn khng. Tm li, cng sut phn khng l cng sut tiu th cho vic bin i nng lng in t. Cng sut phn khng c ngha Vt l r rng, v n mang bn cht nng lng nn tn gi "cng sut" l hon ton hp l. Thc cht trong ng c in, my bin th, cc thit b in t....Cng sut phn khng ch l cht ph gia cho qu trnh hot ng ca ng c( cng sut c ch), n khng trc tip sinh cng m gp phn vo qu trnh sinh cng. v vy ngi ta gi n l cng sut v cng nhng khng phi l cng sut v ch. Mong cc bc phn bit r iu ny. Tin th ni thm v cch ngi ta nh ngha th no l cng sut tc dng. Khi no c thi gian mnh vit nt v cng sut phn khng. Do ny ang bn Bc Bangttown hiu vy ko ng bn cht vn . L th ny, c trng cho qu trnh trao i nng lng gia ngun v cc kho in, kho t ngi ta a ra cng sut phn khng. Qu trnh trao i nng lng ca in dung ( i vi ngun ) v in cm (i vi ngun) l ngc nhau, li dng im ny ngi ta lp t b b cng sut phn khng trong mch in c tnh cm. (Qc <0 cn QL>0 ch l quy c du) cc bc cho em hi v nh hng ca cng sut phn khng n cc ch lm vic ca h thng in vi nh? n s lm tng tn tht trong h thng in, lm nng ng dy Em xin gp vi cc bc nh sau: Cng sut phn khng, cng sut h khng,cng sut o Q l 1 khi nim trong ngnh k thut in dng ch phn cng sut in c chuyn ngc v ngun cung cp nng

lng trong mi chu k do s tch ly nng lng trong cc thnh phn cm khng v dung khng, c to ra bi s lch pha gia hiu in th u(t) v dng in i(t). trn dz di c t sinh ra cng sut phn khng k nh? ai gii dp gip vi.

c bao gi trn cng on dz m cspk chy theo 2 hng k Xt mt nhnh c bn khng ngun c th thy c cspk l g?. Cs t ngoi a vo nhnh tc thi l p(t) = u.i, (u,i - /a, d/ nhnh): thnh phn th nht tiu tn trn in tr: CSTD (chuyn thnh nng lng khc), thnh phn th hai bin thin iu ha tn s 2w, bin : (xL-xC)I2. Nu ly trung bnh trong mt chu k thnh phn th 2 = 0, Q c nh ngha l [b]bin ca cng sut trao i vi bn ngoi[b]. Trong mt s ti liu nc ngoi c ghi: thit b cha nng lng t trng sinh ra bi dng in c gi l tiu th, thit b cha nng lng in trng gi l pht cng sut phn khng. Trn cc ng dy u c dung dn gia ng dy vi t, dung dn ng vai tr ngun pht cspk. ng dy di thng c in p cao, chiu di ln nn dung dn thng khng c b qua m cn xt n trong qu trnh tnh ton h thng!