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BEFORE:
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Robert Hildeman
Streambox 12
Questions 16
Diana Vogelsong 69
Jeff Clark 72
Dan Hamby 80
Questions 81
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S
2 (10:05 a.m.)
6 technology.
10 table for what we're doing and the fact that we will
20 that, Marybeth?
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1 Streambox. And so let's start with you, Cary.
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1 the comments filed in this proceeding. I would also
13 works?
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1 to do things well beyond his authority, such as
11 types of works.
19 warranted.
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1 uses being enhanced, not diminished, by the
22 like webcasting.
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1 flourished on the Internet and, because of that,
11 prompted SDMI.
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1 companies would not be participating if that were
5 in digital form.
22 devices.
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1 technology, while SDMI is an organization to develop
4 technologies or products.
13 media.
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1 whether to purchase a permanent copy. This new
16 can unlock this music and give its fans access where
20 this proceeding.
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1 such access. Indeed, press reports are issued
9 should be adopted.
14 Mr. Hildeman.
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1 We are a technology enabler and an infrastructure
7 Internet.
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1 traditional copyright principles of first sale and
7 realm.
19 such as Streambox.
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1 In its commentary on fair use in the digital
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1 is directly tied to the ability to reverse engineer.
4 Thank you.
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1 needed to beef up the security system for this new
11 audio CD as well.
24 that will play both DVD video and DVD audio, but the
26 video players.
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1 MR. KASUNIC: So new devices will need
2 to be purchased.
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1 would be relevant in terms of SDMI to the content
17 specific.
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1 some form of digital rights management system.
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1 small additional price. You could do "try before
8 well.
10 you can have all the music that you can consume but
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1 be able to obtain SDMI-compliant music, that is
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1 Once that screen technology is available
6 illicitly.
23 the new portable device so that you will get all the
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1 development right now.
3 but it is complex.
19 in existence.
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1 where people go when they can't afford to buy. It's
7 patrons?
15 will the music play in. I mean these are very, very
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1 change that makes in consumer response.
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1 us for a very long time to come, and the gradual
5 Charlotte.
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1 how best to respond to the need.
12 something else?
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1 MS. DOUGLASS: Another question I have
22 balance.
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1 are available now -- I mean I have a basement filled
10 needs.
18 Mr. Hildeman?
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1 look at technological measure, that that
6 it needs to be broadened.
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1 in that sense it needs to be broadened.
18 as to how that --
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1 becAUse my innovation or our innovation. According
7 illegitimate?
21 confused.
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1 license to actually just open the computer program?
8 would be compatible.
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1 CDs are the source.
13 mistaken.
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1 arising that make the problem greater once again.
16 marketplace?
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1 access control protections, which just controlled
13 up.
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1 capability or you're allowed to make 10 copies or
17 should be expanded?
19 expanded.
22 expand it?
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1 limiting. It's too general right now.
15 uses.
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1 the language of the law. I think that's for the
10 correct?
21 once.
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1 testimony. If you want to take a moment to reflect
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1 would be any inhibition.
21 evidence.
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1 We received comments from the Public
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1 providing their music to radio stations and the
22 controlled product.
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1 available to the world because you wrote it and,
25 uses. Okay.
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1 copyrighted material of any kind --
3 engineering. Yes.
9 purposes only.
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1 to the fact that one is looking at particular
9 engineered.
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1 don't have any clear answer for you how --
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1 was designed for a different kind of screen and that
6 whatever.
14 kinds of ways.
26 fair use analysis. But the mere fact that it's out
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1 there doesn't mean that there are obligations with
3 to anybody.
21 at 2:00.
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1 separate speakers, although a number of you
13 educator.
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1 educational and outreach function that include
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1 technology community as well as the faculty and
11 of reference.
20 services.
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1 unduly regulate the free exchange of ideas.
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1 continue to be fulfilled as a residential campus.
9 grant mission.
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1 a work and licensing it is significant. A recent
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1 report.
13 copyright law.
18 digital works.
25 arts." Unquote.
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1 Copyright Act or the limited monopoly in vision by
15 capital.
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1 The State of Maryland General Assembly
21 Notice of Inquiry.
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1 comply with its license agreements. We have also
10 authorization.
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1 Second, questions 11 and 16 specifically
20 universities.
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1 Again, my answer is yes. The
25 classroom." Unquote.
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1 evangelist in my role at the University and, believe
16 research purposes.
18 Aline.
24 own behalf.
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1 copyright law, namely the promotion of learning and
22 electronic formats.
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1 searching the Web or a CD-Rom using a sophisticated
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1 can be used for teaching but not research. In an
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1 to a publisher decision. Regardless of the reason,
3 information.
18 activity?
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1 retire this year, I would suggest that he's probably
10 disproportionately.
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1 in any one direction will deter our efforts to learn
6 speak.
21 copyrighted work.
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1 myself, Diana Vogelsong from American University.
13 objectives.
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1 Issues related to use of and access to
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1 curriculum, instruction and study, including some
5 students.
8 concerns.
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1 technological controls on access to copyrighted
12 learning process.
26 uses.
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1 As front line educators and producers of
11 selected.
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1 terms of controlling circumvention of protective
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1 affected by encryption, secure envelopes, or other
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1 under the anti-circumvention rule of the DCMA.
17 Unquote.
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1 usable on an individual PC workstation, would not
6 implemented.
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1 pursued had they been limited to viewing the images
25 circumvented.
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1 have already identified examples where off-campus
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1 answers.
11 about those.
16 doing this.
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1 MS. GOSLINS: All right. Just so I can
20 problem?
26 possible.
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1 MR. CARSON: Okay. We're going to be
10 something somehow?
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1 able to do is, if they had Windows 98 and a DVD Rom
16 exact.
25 projecting?
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1 problem – perhaps should be limited and not
6 particular title.
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1 really limited in what you can do for that class.
9 yes.
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1 not your ability to access it. Right?
4 facilitator.
25 accurate or not?
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1 the example we were trying to point up is that the
10 database.
26 something.
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1 But putting it on the table that you're
25 circumvention.
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1 can see. I think the difficulty here is -- well, in
3 who say, well, you can use this for teaching but you
16 need to find out XYZ, and then they find that out
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1 project, this is for research, this is for teaching.
13 use it, when they can not, and how are they going to
22 uses?
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1 certain purpose and, as a result, a library in
12 taken away. And the end result was they had to get
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1 isn't access control #1 for teaching, access control
19 back time and time again and argue for my fair use
24 doing.
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1 MS. PETERS: You wanted access to the
6 access how you use that work and whether or not that
13 will give you, then you have two choices. You can
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1 you. It doesn't sound to me like it has anything to
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1 are going to kind of be centrally controlled and
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1 question for Ms. Soules. I just wanted to clarify.
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1 really are three categories of journals now. There
20 charge you so much for one format and then you get a
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1 was based on fear of loss of revenue stream. Also,
4 what the customer wants and they can only make that
13 because I can't --
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1 of them in my particular library setting. So I
15 little confusing.
20 questions.
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1 see that because there are specific non-infringing
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1 and I see this in my education and discussion of
9 preserve.
16 it seems appropriate.
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1 think of the problem a little differently, and this
6 sometimes.
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1 to sort out with computer software and making a
7 be cleared up.
22 well.
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1 again, it's hard to separate when it's an access
19 do that.
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1 MS. PETERS: And the question s, how do
18 edition.
24 concerns me a lot.
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1 anybody or everybody. But we have some fairly
24 effect?
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1 of the DVDs again. I haven't got wide enough
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1 was interesting listening to the gentleman this
25 rapidly.
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1 this morning when he said CDs would be around in
11 measure in itself.
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1 any access control measure. And that work could have
9 again.
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1 information together and I have, for example,
4 and it's fed in and they're the only ones who get
5 that.
8 and they have people out there and they're not just
18 source.
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1 come back and told me earlier is that you don't see
3 anti-circumvention regulations as I do is
25 licensing agreement?
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1 them as separate. That's the difference between us,
6 abrogated somewhere.
11 trying to understand --
16 I am.
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1 is just one more means.
3 instances?
17 with it.
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1 classes of works.
18 lawyer.
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1 goes more to this class of works issue. One of the
13 are.
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1 Because you craft an exemption as narrowly as is
6 are.
19 acquired.
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1 that if you were licensing, it was lawfully
2 acquired.
13 why?
16 there are uses which are fair for which you don't
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1 used in teaching can be used in context and whether
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1 you can look at this philosophically, Internet
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1 at this point. Is that right?
9 issue.
24 aren't attempting
26 those materials.
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1 MS. PETERS: Anyone else? If not, thank
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