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Will comments be permitted? I don't see where they can be left on that
first diary...or the controls to set 'em up.
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What I'd like to know: | 3 comments
tip jar (4.00 / 2)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!

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by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:04:48 AM CDT
I don't think we need to post tipjars quite yet. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:10:17 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
it was for funny (4.00 / 2)

already with the ugog kops?
8^ D

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Still working on the comment thingy. Patience.
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Seems to be working now. (4.00 / 3)
Grasshopper... (4.00 / 3)
'patience' and 'grasshopper' shall always be as one.
We sink or swim together.
by: tecampbell @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:42:39 AM CDT
comment! (4.00 / 2)
w00tcakes
Very funny. (4.00 / 2)

My first two TRs at my own frikking site. Sure you wanna do that?

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The Usual Gang of Grownups:: In lieu of more important things:

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tecampbell :: In lieu of more important things:
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In lieu of more important things: | 7 comments
My favorite Waits: (4.00 / 1)
My Favorite: (4.00 / 3)

I like the usability. Pics import easily.
by: tecampbell @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:37:04 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
Ah yes, good call. (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
hey, so, for pics... (4.00 / 3)

I went to dkos and set one up with html with my handidandi firefox BBCode add-on
- can we make this easier to grab html tags for such...?

i so seriously heart tom waits (4.00 / 2)

and, if anyone is so inclined, i ripped a 79+ minute mp3 of my favorite tom waits
songs.
such as?
tom traubert
nickle song
san diego serenade
i hope that
johnsburg illinois
time
who are you
i never talk to strangers...
etc.
it's easy to send it to you if you wnat it.
ok.
just dropping by.
by: dadanation @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 17:49:20 PM CDT
Heyas dadanation. (4.00 / 2)

Glad to see you here...
And thanks again for the tunes.
Sorry I haven't been on much lately folks... here or on dkos. I suspect

things will get worse for a few weeks while I try to balance work, medical
issues, and campaign responsibilities (I went and signed up as a regional
org... a glutton for punishment).
I'm taking at least 2 weeks off before the election (and a half a week after)
to help campaign.
The nights will belong to me, I hope.

by: tecampbell @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 00:31:12 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
if you want me to send you (4.00 / 3)

the waits mp3 i made, let me know,. i am more than happy to
share it. i do love that man.
and whatever you do, take care of yourself. okay?
by: dadanation @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 01:32:21 AM CDT

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In lieu of more important things: | 7 comments

The Usual Gang of Grownups:: We who are about to die salute you; Some random thoughts

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by: ugog
Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 17:23:02 PM EDT
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for site issues and general questions. Password:
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I've given us three rating options, 0, 1 and 4. I don't expect the first two
Diaries to be used much if at all here.
Blog Roll
I'd like to start threads on particularly troublesome members using their
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Search names only as the title. Makes finding them later easier. BTW, if nobody
objects I'd like to call them "threads" here rather than "diaries."
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The stated purpose of this site is (or at least will be whenever I get around
to writing it) to provide backup for the folks who do the dirty work of
keeping the kos relatively honest. However feel free to post what you
want. Cross post your diaries from the kos or from your personal blog if ya
feel like it. Start a discussion about a topic that you find interesting.
While I'm not trying to compete with the kos there are no artificial limits
to what we can do with this space.
We're small enough now that Recing and promoting threads won't be an
issue for awhile.
I'd like to change the green borders to some shade of blue but otherwise
I'm pretty content with what we have. Anyone who knows how to do that
drop me a line.
I'll also add your personal blog links once I figger out how to do that.
Don't believe we need a set of rules for this group so I won't make any.
Y'all know the deal by now--that's why you're here.
I must be missing a few things but I'm getting tired of talking to myself.
Open thread for questions and discussion.
ugog :: We who are about to die salute you; Some random thoughts
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We who are about to die salute you; Some random thoughts | 19

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there was just a diary posted (4.00 / 3)

and pretty quickly deleted by user Timothy L Smith, 85219, where he said
there was a site he referred to as "TFSZ," which he called the successor to
"glorious" PFF.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
Anybody got anything...?

I gotta go be both parents for a time; back later.
by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 16:26:11 PM CDT
This prolly goes without saying (4.00 / 2)

but I think this should have "Fight Club" rules. The Pff-infected kossacks
are getting pretty militant these days. I was amazed to find that cosmic
debris is among them.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 16:33:24 PM CDT
Good point. (4.00 / 3)

We aren't looking to get big or solicit new members thus I see no
need to discuss or promote what we do here at the kos. Not
trying to hide anything and at some point this will get out but I
don't see anything to be gained by discussing it elsewhere right
now.
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 16:45:23 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
I pretty much stick to DK (4.00 / 3)

There's lots of blogs I'd like to spend time on, including docudharma and la
vida whatever, so I'm not sure what to expect here.
If I'm not here and something needs to be brought to my attention, tell me
to check my email.
query: (4.00 / 2)
is this admin-only thread something that would not come up in a google
search?
what about "regular" diaries here?
Reply: (4.00 / 2)
I have no frikking clue. Perhaps you should look for it and tell us?

[ Parent ]
welll...I shall, (4.00 / 2)

in future. takes a while for the crawlerbots to crawl and
bot, m'thinx.

[ Parent ]
tell ya what (4.00 / 2)

despite the pretty li'l "for admin eyes only" upper right, you can log off and
still enter this diary and read the comments. Be nice to have "open" diaries
and "closed" diaries, for us - like I think you had at DU.
can has?
Couple of points. (4.00 / 3)

1. At DU there was a private moderator forum, unseen by the
masses. I don't see an option for doing that here but if you find a

way--let me know. I would have made the entire site private if I

could as we aren't trying to solicit bidness or reach outsiders.
2. If anything gets out that shouldn't just let me know and I'll
delete it immediately. No questions asked.

[ Parent ]
I'm thinking (4.00 / 3)

as we do what we do - our discussions will remain
readable by any and all. doesn't matter right now, but it
might matter someday. things have a way of being found
by those with time for not much but to calculate your
batting average on saying fuck, as an example, so it
seems that this all may as well be private, if possible,
unless and until a need appears for it to be otherwise.

[ Parent ]
Were it possible to make this private I

would do so. (4.00 / 2)
I'm guessing that it isn't possible because
soapblox makes its money from the banner (?)
ads at the top and thus privacy wouldn't serve
them well. There are things which should be
discussed in private and this isn't the place for
that--that's why Al Gore invented email. Most if
not all we do here can withstand scrutiny should
it happen. I don't have anything particularly
different to say here rather than there and we
aren't hiding who we are. If someone is sloppy,
condo, and something bad gets out just let me
know and I'll nuke it. Seems to be common for
these free (as in no charge) forums not to have
a privacy option.
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 19:06:46 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
yes, I am hearing you, Major, Sir.

(4.00 / 2)
doesn't mean I won't fuck up. But I'll
do me level best, and that's all we can
really expect from me, then, innit?
by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at

19:14:33 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
We all fuck up from time to

time. (4.00 / 3)
One o' the porpoises of this
joint is to cover each other's
backs, no? Kinda like troll
alley but without the trolls ;-)
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008

at 19:18:06 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
i forgot about google. go ahead and

nuke my previous comment...

(4.00 / 3)
but if we do get uncovered i have no
qualms about participating. it is
providing a badly needed service to the
Orange monster.
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Tue Sep 02,

2008 at 19:18:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
That should have done it.

(4.00 / 2)
Lemme know if it didn't take.
i have no
qualms
about
participating.
it is
providing a
badly
needed
service to
the Orange
monster.
If we do it the right way this

will be something that kos and
admins will appreciate rather
than resent. Just mho.
BTW, in the future if you want

something nuked pls provide a
link just to make clear which
comment or diary you want
removed.
BTW (part deux) Don't you as

admin have the power to do
so yourself?

at 19:30:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yes. youre right.

am looking at the
admin page this
morning...will take
a (4.00 / 2)
while for this techno
illiterate to figure it
out but will do so in
future.
by:
VolvoDrivingLiberal
@ Wed Sep 03, 2008
at 06:55:45 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Test post. (4.00 / 3)

Looks like it's all hunky dory logging on from home. I for one want to say
up front that I will never divulge anything said here anywhere else, not on
DK, except emails to those here. I keep my word as my bond.

Ditto, same here, TB. Thanks (4.00 / 2)
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 06:56:28 AM CDT

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by: ugog
Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 17:23:02 PM EDT
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I'm gonna do a daily thread um, every day. For now let's use that thread
for site issues and general questions. Password:
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Submit
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I've given us three rating options, 0, 1 and 4. I don't expect the first two
Diaries to be used much if at all here.
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I'd like to start threads on particularly troublesome members using their
www.dailykos.com
Search names only as the title. Makes finding them later easier. BTW, if nobody
objects I'd like to call them "threads" here rather than "diaries."
Advanced Search
The stated purpose of this site is (or at least will be whenever I get around
to writing it) to provide backup for the folks who do the dirty work of
keeping the kos relatively honest. However feel free to post what you
want. Cross post your diaries from the kos or from your personal blog if ya
feel like it. Start a discussion about a topic that you find interesting.
While I'm not trying to compete with the kos there are no artificial limits
to what we can do with this space.
We're small enough now that Recing and promoting threads won't be an
issue for awhile.
I'd like to change the green borders to some shade of blue but otherwise
I'm pretty content with what we have. Anyone who knows how to do that
drop me a line.
I'll also add your personal blog links once I figger out how to do that.
Don't believe we need a set of rules for this group so I won't make any.
Y'all know the deal by now--that's why you're here.
I must be missing a few things but I'm getting tired of talking to myself.
Open thread for questions and discussion.
ugog :: We who are about to die salute you; Some random thoughts
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there was just a diary posted (4.00 / 3)

and pretty quickly deleted by user Timothy L Smith, 85219, where he said
there was a site he referred to as "TFSZ," which he called the successor to
"glorious" PFF.
Anybody got anything...?

I gotta go be both parents for a time; back later.
This prolly goes without saying (4.00 / 2)

but I think this should have "Fight Club" rules. The Pff-infected kossacks
are getting pretty militant these days. I was amazed to find that cosmic
debris is among them.
Good point. (4.00 / 3)

We aren't looking to get big or solicit new members thus I see no
need to discuss or promote what we do here at the kos. Not
trying to hide anything and at some point this will get out but I
don't see anything to be gained by discussing it elsewhere right
now.

[ Parent ]
I pretty much stick to DK (4.00 / 3)

There's lots of blogs I'd like to spend time on, including docudharma and la
vida whatever, so I'm not sure what to expect here.
If I'm not here and something needs to be brought to my attention, tell me
to check my email.
query: (4.00 / 2)
is this admin-only thread something that would not come up in a google
search?
what about "regular" diaries here?
Reply: (4.00 / 2)
I have no frikking clue. Perhaps you should look for it and tell us?

[ Parent ]
welll...I shall, (4.00 / 2)

in future. takes a while for the crawlerbots to crawl and
bot, m'thinx.

[ Parent ]
tell ya what (4.00 / 2)

despite the pretty li'l "for admin eyes only" upper right, you can log off and
still enter this diary and read the comments. Be nice to have "open" diaries
and "closed" diaries, for us - like I think you had at DU.
can has?
Couple of points. (4.00 / 3)

1. At DU there was a private moderator forum, unseen by the
masses. I don't see an option for doing that here but if you find a

way--let me know. I would have made the entire site private if I

could as we aren't trying to solicit bidness or reach outsiders.
2. If anything gets out that shouldn't just let me know and I'll
delete it immediately. No questions asked.

[ Parent ]
I'm thinking (4.00 / 3)

as we do what we do - our discussions will remain
readable by any and all. doesn't matter right now, but it
might matter someday. things have a way of being found
by those with time for not much but to calculate your
batting average on saying fuck, as an example, so it
seems that this all may as well be private, if possible,
unless and until a need appears for it to be otherwise.

[ Parent ]
Were it possible to make this private I

would do so. (4.00 / 2)
I'm guessing that it isn't possible because
soapblox makes its money from the banner (?)
ads at the top and thus privacy wouldn't serve
them well. There are things which should be
discussed in private and this isn't the place for
that--that's why Al Gore invented email. Most if
not all we do here can withstand scrutiny should
it happen. I don't have anything particularly
different to say here rather than there and we
aren't hiding who we are. If someone is sloppy,
condo, and something bad gets out just let me
know and I'll nuke it. Seems to be common for
these free (as in no charge) forums not to have
a privacy option.
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 19:06:46 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
yes, I am hearing you, Major, Sir.

(4.00 / 2)
doesn't mean I won't fuck up. But I'll
do me level best, and that's all we can
really expect from me, then, innit?
by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at

19:14:33 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
We all fuck up from time to

time. (4.00 / 3)
One o' the porpoises of this
joint is to cover each other's
backs, no? Kinda like troll
alley but without the trolls ;-)

at 19:18:06 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
i forgot about google. go ahead and

nuke my previous comment...

(4.00 / 3)
but if we do get uncovered i have no
qualms about participating. it is
providing a badly needed service to the
Orange monster.
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Tue Sep 02,

2008 at 19:18:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
That should have done it.

(4.00 / 2)
Lemme know if it didn't take.
i have no
qualms
about
participating.
it is
providing a
badly
needed
service to
the Orange
monster.
If we do it the right way this

will be something that kos and
admins will appreciate rather
than resent. Just mho.
BTW, in the future if you want

something nuked pls provide a
link just to make clear which
comment or diary you want
removed.
BTW (part deux) Don't you as

admin have the power to do
so yourself?

at 19:30:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yes. youre right.

am looking at the
admin page this
morning...will take
a (4.00 / 2)
while for this techno
illiterate to figure it
out but will do so in
future.
by:
VolvoDrivingLiberal
@ Wed Sep 03, 2008
at 06:55:45 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Test post. (4.00 / 3)

Looks like it's all hunky dory logging on from home. I for one want to say
up front that I will never divulge anything said here anywhere else, not on
DK, except emails to those here. I keep my word as my bond.

Ditto, same here, TB. Thanks (4.00 / 2)
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 06:56:28 AM CDT

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The Usual Gang of Grownups:: Troll Rating Tao

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by: trashablanca
Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 17:26:09 PM EDT Make a New Account
Some thoughts on troll rating. I have developed a system to take Username:

advantage of my five daily hydrates. Instead of having a HC tab open
[on Firefox, naturally, I use not ntroll=0, set by time & 50 comments.
Password:
If I see a trollish comment with one HR, I'll crown it and leave a
About comment for other TUs. If/when it gets an additional HR without an
Submit
- Put stuff here uprate, I'll remove my hydrate for reuse. This tactic has enabled me to
help hide 12-15 comments in a single trollerific day.
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I have noticed something odd about using my fifth hide. Once that circle
Diaries is grayed out, hides may not be refreshed for well over 24 hours.
Because of this, I try to hold on to number five.
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can safely recycle. So, when recycled the HR circle is back and I may
Advanced Search have 2, 3, or 4 HRs back.
I emailed ct about this glitch months ago without a response.
So, do you have any tips/tricks that help you be an effective TU?
trashablanca :: Troll Rating Tao
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Troll Rating Tao | 19 comments
I guess I'll get some work done (4.00 / 3)

and check back later.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 16:32:32 PM CDT
That's pretty similar to what I do. (4.00 / 2)

When I post a decent comment with a d0nut folks tend to show up and
cover me, allowing me to recycle. It's rare these days for me to run out
of d0nuts. I also keep an eye on the d0nuts I drop and if it appears that
a comment isn't gonna get hidden despite my best efforts I pick it up.
One of the things we could do here is a d0nut bank. If I'm gonna log off
for a bit while you will be sticking around I can cover (replace) whatever
d0nuts you dropped thus giving you additional d0nuts. It won't do a lot
with such a small (albeit extremely good looking) group but eventually
that is something which would act as a multiplier.
BTW, this was a great topic for this forum. I'd like to hear how others
handle their d0nuts.
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 16:49:34 PM CDT
Thanks. I've long been curious to hear about other TU's

strategies. (4.00 / 2)
But even in a hidden thread, it's kind of uncomfortable to
discuss, as so many TU's have such crappy attitudes toward
keeping the site troll-free.


[ Parent ]
My feeling exactly. (4.00 / 2)

In my mind this little site is merely an extension of the
discussions we and a few others have been having at
the tail end of hidden comments for a couple of years
now. As condo has noted, DU had a private forum for
those doing the dirty bidness of-sausage making-
moderation and the kos is sorely lacking same.
And there are far too many TUs.
(sausage making was supposed to be crossed out but I

guess we can't do that here?)

[ Parent ]
Far too many useless and

counterproductive TUs. (4.00 / 2)
Have you noticed that certain high-profile
diarists never hydrate unless it's someone
arguing with them in their own diary? I really
don't like seeing diarists do that; the
community should do it if it's warranted.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at

17:27:57 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
My position is that the ability to

do moderation is a skill. (4.00 / 2)
Not everyone can separate
themselves from their personal
agenda and apply the rules fairly and
consistently. Quite a few folks who
have no interest in doing so. They
wouldn't let just anyone do the tech
work--why is the mod work any
different?
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at

18:03:00 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
good point. (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Wed Sep 03,

2008 at 19:13:28 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yep, I agree with (4.00 / 2)

most everything here. my method is very similar to
ugog's, I mean M. Flaw - back when I was a functional
TU. I could help hide many comments a day.
My signature move, The String of Pearls, only really

came to fruition once, I forget the troll...sort of like this
http://www.dailykos.com/commen... where I engaged
a troll to get a string of comments, which could then be
hidden. once it worked like a charm - back in the days
when, with something like 32 HCs in a shortish time
and you'd be gone.

it was when they reduced TRs to 5/day that I had to

learn to do with less, and I hounded a number of trolls
off by posting on top of their posts for days or weeks,
keeping them getting hiddens and no mojo by
appending a link to their crap. that insane but effective
devotion earned me my loving fan base of sociopaths.
two sides of the same coin, like cops and crooks.
by: condo @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 19:25:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Speaking of sociopaths, what's cometman

up to these days? (4.00 / 2)
I really wanted to create a uid on the new
PFFffftt with his real name, but I just can't do
troll

20:00:51 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I wonder if the new sewer

prevents people from signing up
(4.00 / 2)
from a proxified internet connection.
Even without posting any comments
it'd be kinda neat to take his name
away while he is adjusting to
paternity.
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 at

20:15:14 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Four more so far tonight. (4.00 / 2)

Second hydrate removed when others piled on. They're coming outta the
woodwork tonight, each dumber than the next.
Right now the place is completely out of control. (4.00 / 2)

There's simply no way to keep up with the trolling. Tomorrow
will prolly be worse.

[ Parent ]
Crap, Jack Dublin deleted his POS too fast (4.00 / 1)

http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
He's learning, the prick. I've found that once diaries are deleted,
comments from within don't show up using not ntroll.
I've had Jack pegged as a troll for weeks. (4.00 / 2)

Eventually admins will catch on.
BTW, I posted a comment at the kos the other day declaring

autoban to be nothing more than a myth. I wasn't joking:

What are your thoughts?

[ Parent ]
The autoban is screwy (4.00 / 2)

It seems hit-and-miss when it doesn't act broken.
Admins are banning by hand at a good clip lately.
Barb nuked one for me this am. Here it is: http://
www.dailykos.com/commen...
I usually go to Barb and sometimes Scout, b/c I know
and like em, for banhammer. Unless it's about
randgrithr or another pet troll, I usually get a positive
response.
btw, I don't mention their names on DK, I just use

admin, don't want to wear out my welcome...
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 00:11:33 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Understood on the last part. (4.00 / 1)

Far as I'm concerned what goes on here is as
confidential as email although there are
potentially more eyes which can see it.
But I meant what I said about the autoban

literally. I do not believe it exists nor that it
ever did. People get nuked at various points
in their trolldom. Some get it right away and
that must be a manual ban. Some long timers
get it under circumstances that make an
autoban mathematically difficult to believe. It
looks like every ban is manual and autoban is
merely a way for admins not to have to
explain why and when they decide to nuke
someone manually.
Could you tell me why you believe that there

actually is such a thing as an autoban?
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 01:11:23 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Nah, I disagree. Autoban used to

work. (4.00 / 2)
They tinkered with it; neutering it in
the process. Mebbe it died during the
recent Primary Wars, but I'm pretty
sure it worked before then.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 04, 2008

at 02:04:48 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Ae you sure it was

actually an autoban or
could it have (4.00 / 2)
been that they were simply
better and quicker at
manual bans? Seems to me
you could look at people
who are nuked and do a

ratio of diary Recs and

comment Recs/hidden
comments and figger out
what the number should be.
I've looked a bit and there's
no consistency. Perhaps
there never really was an
autoban and it only
appeared to break down
when the volume got too
much for admins. What do I
know.
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 04,

2008 at 02:32:39 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
no way to really
know, but (4.00 /
2)
maybe I had
deluded myself - I
used to watch, as
the HCs piled up,
and 32 seemed to
be the lucky
number.
by: condo @ Thu

Sep 04, 2008 at
07:16:18 AM CDT
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What a night. The Brady Bunch takes the stage and the kos goes crazy. Username:
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just when I think you're a heartless, soulless (4.00 / 2)

kos kop machine, you post a frikkin' work of genius and beauty such as this.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 07:41:44 AM CDT
here's a troll: (4.00 / 2)

Kaptain Karma
http://www.dailykos.com/user/u...
Jeez, condo, you are like honey to trolls (4.00 / 2)

I have 2 hydes left from last night. I got at least six that I could
take back. I think KK's comments in your diary are a bit old to
nail, considering the not ntroll volume, but I will keep an eye on it.
Here's a juvenile pottie-moouth troll that I tried to get banned:
http://www.dailykos.com/user/S...
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 12:32:56 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Kaptain Karma is now on the hydration train (4.00 / 2)

and I got to recycle my original donut. Michigan1 is another to look out
for: http://www.dailykos.com/user/M...
USA1 is another. (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/U...
Wrong tense as he B gonzo. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 14:41:50 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Kid Dynomite (4.00 / 2)

I'm smelling something off here despite the 84227 UID:
Cock strong, half a block long, firestarter illy-ill hittin'

harder than King Kong.
Okay, hate to point out the obvious (0+ / 4-)

but Todd Palin is not Sarah Palin.
Besides, what's the problem? Didn't Obama belong to a
church that for 20 years has espoused vile about the
United States?
So... (0+ / 3-)

Explain to me how this makes her a secessionist?
Perhaps you need to look up the definition of proof
A Post with absolutely (0+ / 2-)

no proof!
Call a person a secessionist, I would think the evidence
would be abundant.
Keep it up Kidz! Your diggin' ur own grave.

if anyone remembers TBTM Julie (4.00 / 3)

she's back.
3 year hiatus from dKos.
an odd duck.
and who wrote tonite's diary about how trig is a love child from the VP's
tryst with her husband's business partner.
pressed and pressed for proof she eventually gives me an APO link (yes,
the AP) even though she writes of the national enquirer breaking the story
-- it is allegedly going to post in the ne on the 15th of september.
there are a ton of fucktards in that diary.
check it out.
i have used but i hydrate today/tonight.
i hate these fuckers and hate the fact that kos is once again going to use
the show of troll hunting to boost ratings on site.
it sux.
one more thing -- i am operating under the belief that this is not an open
forum and that we are all operating under the same principle that we are
NOT linking to this site, we are NOT quoting this site etc. outside this site.
what is said here stays here.
if i am wrong in this assumption, please let me know now. so that i can

gracefully step back.
by: dadanation @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:42:05 AM CDT
You ask fair questions and you deserve honest answers.

(4.00 / 2)
i am operating under the belief that this is not

an open forum
This is not an open forum--meaning that membership is by

selection. However this site could be visible to anyone who
chooses to look for it. Can't imagine why anyone would look for it
now as we have done nothing by way of self promotion.
Nonetheless anything you want to remain completely private
should be reserved for email.
we are all operating under the same principle

that we are NOT linking to this site, we are NOT
quoting this site etc. outside this site.
That part is understood and agreed to. While there is no reason

to feel ashamed or embarrassed by what we're doing here,

trashab's "Fight Club" rules apply.
if i am wrong in this assumption, please let me

know now. so that i can gracefully step back.
You aren't wrong. I just don't want to get into the mindset which
suggest that we're doing something wrong here--we aren't.
by: ugog @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:01:10 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
i know that what we are doing is not wrong (4.00 /

3)
and i have had an e-mail chain of mine dropped on site
by a dKos user who felt it was time to throw us under the
bus.
i am not suggesting this is happening, but i am also tired

of the kos kop bullshit, the troll hunter bull shit being
thrown at us all the time.
fuck it all, in spite of the owner and other stuff on site

that i find rather problematic, i like the site and think it
does do good work.
i hate being run over by buses.
that's all.

[ Parent ]
asdf (4.00 / 2)
I have had an e-mail chain of

mine dropped on site by a
dKos user who felt it was time
to throw us under the bus.
I honestly don't know what that's about. Got a

link?
am also tired of the kos kop

bullshit, the troll hunter bull
shit being thrown at us all the
time.
I've said it in public and have no problem

repeating it in semi private--whatever you (we)
do you will have shit thrown at you. Whatever
you do. If you took the polar opposite of your
current position you'd still have shit throw at
you. I represent boards and I get shit thrown at
me on a reg'lar basis. Doesn't deter me none.
i hate being run over by buses.
UM, yeah. We're gonna talk about how to

maximize our influence real soon. Count on it.

by: ugog @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:39:31 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
bluntly... (4.00 / 3)
last year kestrel9000 threw elise and a
whole crew of us under the bus. i'd
hunt for the link but i am tired.
by: dadanation @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at

05:52:46 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
No need. I am familiar with

k9k. (4.00 / 2)
We're being kinda careful here
for precisely that reason.
by: ugog @ Fri Sep 05, 2008

at 14:09:32 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
dada BUBBELE!!! (4.00 / 3)

so fine to greet you here.
by: condo @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:12:37 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
i have the sneaking suspicion (4.00 / 3)

that TBTM Julie is a sockpuppet.
perhaps MSOC?
dunno yet, but the tell is there...



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driving down to the boat this morning (4.00 / 3)

to tape over the companionway, so she doesn't fill up with Hannawater tomorrow.
how do the repugs think they're gonna get away with not allowing any press time
for Sarah Palin'?
Callinectes (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Good News on Obama fundraising (4.00 / 3)

Evidently according to Huffpo the Palin thing created a surge of donations to
Obama...estimated 10 mil in 2-3 days.
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gorgeousity (4.00 / 3)
half a block from home, too, eh?
by: condo @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 19:45:07 PM CDT
We have created a dangerous precedent here. (4.00 / 3)

Anyone who joins and isn't immediately given a set of keys is gonna be offended.
by: ugog @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 19:45:26 PM CDT
this is the alternative diary. n/t (4.00 / 3)
by: dadanation @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 20:09:49 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
ya (4.00 / 3)
spoiling of broth ahead?

[ Parent ]

Buncha eloquent MFers around here. (4.00 / 4)
by: trashablanca @ Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 21:52:40 PM CDT
only one true MF (4.00 / 3)

goes by ugog in these parts.
liberaltruthsayer http://www.dailykos.com/user/u... introduced me to

http://www.isc.ro
whoa! some fun.
starting to rain, on and off, here.

[ Parent ]
Isn't liberaltruthsayer the person who posted (4.00 / 2)

the diary with the line about Ann Coulter's dick?
Yup. Not a fan of hers.
BTW, can I get some help here:

[ Parent ]
whoa (0.00 / 0)
that puts a whole new perspective on things.

[ Parent ]
welcome dadanation! (4.00 / 1)
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* (4.00 / 1)
thank

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welcome dadanation! (4.00 / 3)
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* (4.00 / 2)
you!

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pictures.
Shorin listened calmly and spoke cooly. "There will be

no changes," he said, "because, honestly, I don't see any
muscle in your position. Topps has the players signed to
contracts, and I don't see what you can do about it."
His response didn't surprise me . . . men like Joel Shorin

don't change their practice simply because men like me
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Shorin said, when they can see your "muscle." I
understood his position very well. I thanked Shorin for
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Joel Shorin reacted when I reasoned with him. I said,
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predicted, if the players demostrated solidarity by not
signing contract renewals with Topps, the company
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declining across the board to sign a contract or a
contract renewal.
Sometime after the All-Star break, I received a phone

call from Joel Shorin. "I see your muscle," he said.
"Let's sit down and talk." I think it's fair to say he now
understood my position perfectly.
Marvin Miller, "A Whole Different Ball Game."
Perhaps it's time to show our muscle.


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Sugar Pops are Topps! (4.00 / 3)

wait...that's not it...
Guess who's on the prowl again? (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
the guy who was either gonna (4.00 / 2)

be banned or you were leaving? yep, there he is.

[ Parent ]
As the now departed Braveheart pointed

out... (4.00 / 2)
there's always a third option. You're looking at
it right now.
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 00:04:47 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
White Man in Hammersmith Palais (4.00 / 2)

Not sure how someone with that user name has survived. Hidden
comments/TR history here:
http://www.dailykos.com/search...

There's more testosterone out there on that (0+ / 7-)

women's beach vollyball court than in an all-male lamaze
support group.
Bush better watch, hanging out with them may make
him gay.
by White Man in Hammersmith Palais on Sun Aug 10,
2008 at 06:02:34 PM EDT
Plus today's gem of a diary:
Get Mad, You Sonsofbitches!
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 14:32:36 PM CDT
a National Socialist (4.00 / 2)

Race and Homeland umlaut alles.
by: condo @ Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 14:49:20 PM CDT

[ Parent ]



by: ugog
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The RW trolls have been out in force. FreeSpeechForAll, SteveJJ, art Username:
degener, i hate socialism, BUSHCHENEY, LeftiesSuck and msnp have all
been nuked. tullyccro and farblonjet are waiting in line. I'm guessing that
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who among us could have foreseen (4.00 / 2)

that LeftiesSuck would turn out to be a troll?
by: condo @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:30:54 AM CDT
I've always wondered how folks with obvious troll names

(4.00 / 3)
like "Dems suck" and "Libs are Worthless" are able to stick around
long enough to post comments. At DU the name of the newest
member was plastered on their front page and I regularly silenced
the obvious ones before they could open their mouths.
by: ugog @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 12:38:27 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
I appears to have run into a buzzsaw over a copyright issue: (4.00 /

2)

that you did. (4.00 / 2)

are you still in one piece?
I just did a solo circumnavigation of Poole's Island.
http://www.cheslights.org/maps...
by: condo @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 22:45:04 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
here's my entry: (4.00 / 2)

by: condo @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:55:45 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
BernVerdnardo (4.00 / 1)
$araHitler McPaliNazi: Drug Lord, Rapist, Murderer

by BernVerdnardo [Subscribe]
Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 02:52:41 PM EDT
We all know that $araHitler McPaliNazi was responsible

for this. The evidence speaks for itself. Of course, all
the wingnut pundits that spew their hatred from their
monopoly of every form of media will do her bidding for
their blood-oil money. They are doing everything they
can to silence our patriotism, but our voices are one.
got a k9k (4.00 / 2)

rec today



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Fun GBCW for anyone interested: (4.00 / 2)
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by: ugog @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:42:55 AM CDT
Keith rocked (4.00 / 2)

Keith and his Rolls:
His story
Serial Uprater Alert (4.00 / 3)

looks like this one thinks he/she has a right to uprate TRs for the hell of it.
lets hope this person suffers the same fate as stupidasshole
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:55:04 AM CDT
So, which PFFffter's sockpuppet is this? (4.00 / 3)

Juniper Lea or someone else? I'm not even sure this is a woman.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:18:20 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
A doozy of a new loser - "troll bait" (4.00 / 1)

No comments, no recs, one really crappy comment for a diary.
Oops, forgot the link. (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/t...

[ Parent ]
troll bait (4.00 / 1)

Yup, definitely something going on there. Gonna keep an
eye out.
by: ugog @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 15:56:27 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
pager's an asshole (4.00 / 1)

and didn't like my pretty post
by: condo @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 21:52:49 PM CDT
You are prolly getting some blowback. (4.00 / 1)

She knows who you are and who your friends are. I've been
ignoring her for a couple of months and that has worked.

[ Parent ]



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his wife. Except that when I popped out they decided at
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months later when my parents promised that I would
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it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute
I dropped out I could stop taking the required classes
that didn't interest me, and begin dropping in on the
ones that looked interesting.
It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I

slept on the floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke
bottles for the 5¢ deposits to buy food with, and I would
walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday night to get
one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I
loved it. And much of what I stumbled into by following
my curiosity and intuition turned out to be priceless later
on. Let me give you one example:
Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best

calligraphy instruction in the country. Throughout the
campus every poster, every label on every drawer, was
beautifully hand calligraphed. Because I had dropped out
and didn't have to take the normal classes, I decided to

take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned

about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the
amount of space between different letter combinations,
about what makes great typography great. It was
beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that
science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.
None of this had even a hope of any practical application

in my life. But ten years later, when we were designing
the first Macintosh computer, it all came back to me. And
we designed it all into the Mac. It was the first computer
with beautiful typography. If I had never dropped in on
that single course in college, the Mac would have never
had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts.
And since Windows just copied the Mac, its likely that no
personal computer would have them. If I had never
dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this
calligraphy class, and personal computers might not
have the wonderful typography that they do. Of course it
was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when
I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking
backwards ten years later.
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can only connect them looking backwards. So you have
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let me down, and it has made all the difference in my
life.
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and I started Apple in my parents garage when I was 20.
We worked hard, and in 10 years Apple had grown from
just the two of us in a garage into a $2 billion company
with over 4000 employees. We had just released our
finest creation - the Macintosh - a year earlier, and I had
just turned 30. And then I got fired. How can you get
fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew
we hired someone who I thought was very talented to
run the company with me, and for the first year or so
things went well. But then our visions of the future
began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out.
When we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So
at 30 I was out. And very publicly out. What had been
the focus of my entire adult life was gone, and it was
devastating.
I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt

that I had let the previous generation of entrepreneurs
down - that I had dropped the baton as it was being
passed to me. I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce
and tried to apologize for screwing up so badly. I was a
very public failure, and I even thought about running
away from the valley. But something slowly began to
dawn on me - I still loved what I did. The turn of events
at Apple had not changed that one bit. I had been
rejected, but I was still in love. And so I decided to start
over.
I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired

from Apple was the best thing that could have ever
happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was
replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less
sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the
most creative periods of my life.
During the next five years, I started a company named

NeXT, another company named Pixar, and fell in love
with an amazing woman who would become my wife.

Pixar went on to create the worlds first computer

animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most
successful animation studio in the world. In a remarkable
turn of events, Apple bought NeXT, I returned to Apple,
and the technology we developed at NeXT is at the heart
of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I have a
wonderful family together.
I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I

hadn't been fired from Apple. It was awful tasting
medicine, but I guess the patient needed it. Sometimes
life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm
convinced that the only thing that kept me going was
that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love.
And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers.
Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the
only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is
great work. And the only way to do great work is to love
what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking.
Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know
when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just
gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep
looking until you find it. Don't settle.
My third story is about death.
When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like:

"If you live each day as if it was your last, someday
you'll most certainly be right." It made an impression on
me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked
in the mirror every morning and asked myself: "If today
were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I
am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has
been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to
change something.
Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most

important tool I've ever encountered to help me make
the big choices in life. Because almost everything - all
external expectations, all pride, all fear of
embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in
the face of death, leaving only what is truly important.
Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I
know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something
to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to
follow your heart.
About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I had a

scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a
tumor on my pancreas. I didn't even know what a
pancreas was. The doctors told me this was almost
certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I
should expect to live no longer than three to six months.
My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in
order, which is doctor's code for prepare to die. It means
to try to tell your kids everything you thought you'd have
the next 10 years to tell them in just a few months. It
means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it
will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to
say your goodbyes.
I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I

had a biopsy, where they stuck an endoscope down my
throat, through my stomach and into my intestines, put
a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells from the
tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told
me that when they viewed the cells under a microscope
the doctors started crying because it turned out to be a
very rare form of pancreatic cancer that is curable with
surgery. I had the surgery and I'm fine now.
This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I

hope its the closest I get for a few more decades. Having
lived through it, I can now say this to you with a bit
more certainty than when death was a useful but purely
intellectual concept:
No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to

heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is
the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it.
And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely
the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent.
It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now
the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you
will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry
to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone

else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living
with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the
noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice.
And most important, have the courage to follow your
heart and intuition. They somehow already know what
you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
When I was young, there was an amazing publication

called The Whole Earth Catalog, which was one of the
bibles of my generation. It was created by a fellow
named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park,
and he brought it to life with his poetic touch. This was
in the late 1960's, before personal computers and
desktop publishing, so it was all made with typewriters,
scissors, and polaroid cameras. It was sort of like Google
in paperback form, 35 years before Google came along:
it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools and
great notions.
Stewart and his team put out several issues of The

Whole Earth Catalog, and then when it had run its
course, they put out a final issue. It was the mid-1970s,
and I was your age. On the back cover of their final issue
was a photograph of an early morning country road, the
kind you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so
adventurous. Beneath it were the words: "Stay Hungry.
Stay Foolish." It was their farewell message as they
signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I have always
wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to
begin anew, I wish that for you.
Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.
Here's Keith Moon not just keeping time again.

"the only way to do great work is to love what you do"
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theporch (4.00 / 3)
Obvious troll, just a matter of time.
http://www.dailykos.com/user/t...
I TR'd his last remaining unhidden comments. if (4.00 / 4)

anyone has a couple of more TR's please add to mine.
by: VolvoDrivingLiberal @ Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 06:46:35 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
He has no remaining unhidden comments. (4.00 / 4)

"Beware the UGoG."
;-)

[ Parent ]
this is great! (4.00 / 3)

I like your diaries.
I have to ask: why didn't/don't you ever do this at the GOS?
This is very similar to what I did at DU. (4.00 / 3)

They had a daily "Moderator Availability Thread" which had been
used as a sorta sign in sheet and for nothing else. I kinda took it
over and made the "MAT"s my own. There's even a CD for "MATs
vol 1". Knew who I was talking to there just as I know who I'm
talking with here. If I ever felt as comfortable there as I do here
'twould be easy to move this over there. Until then, fuck 'em.

[ Parent ]
pager and k9k (4.00 / 2)

chime in.
I've got both of them on "ignore" (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
good plan (4.00 / 2)

here's the one I should have ignored.

[ Parent ]
Ditto. (4.00 / 1)
No need or reason to respond to either.

[ Parent ]
I'm guessing k9k (4.00 / 2)

would not be pleased if I went there.
but I'm leaving this alone, for now.

[ Parent ]
I saw the most fascination documentary on my local PBS last night.

(4.00 / 3)
It was about Richard Proenneke, a man who built his own home using only
hand tools in the Alaskan wilderness and who lived off the land pretty
much.
http://www.minifarmhomestead.c...
http://www.outdoors-magazine.c...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
bad smell dep't: (4.00 / 3)

Oblogama
I'm guessing a stealth troll (4.00 / 3)

I've been watching this one for a coupla days

[ Parent ]
shitty stealth, imo n/t (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
Good enough to get sucker recs, though.

(4.00 / 3)
by: trashablanca @ Tue Sep 09, 2008 at

16:17:21 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
i just left a long comment (4.00 / 4)

what a fucking pig.
by: dadanation @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at

01:47:25 AM CDT
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self-smart (4.00 / 2)
lolz (4.00 / 2)



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the Kestrels (4.00 / 2)

at home
by: condo @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 08:09:30 AM CDT
So that's what's in the email (4.00 / 2)

I still haven't opened.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 11:25:34 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
ah, a "LK (4.00 / 2)

published a diary - go rec" missive.
I am being nattered at by a peculiarly attentive fuckwit

here.

[ Parent ]
and the fuckwit turns out to be... (4.00 / 2)

this unit.

coincidence...?
I think not.
by: condo @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 13:24:31 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
can i just share (4.00 / 4)

that the diary in question left me
feeling really not-so-good, kinda
slimed, TMI and all...
by: dadanation @ Wed Sep 10, 2008 at

14:02:45 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
me, too (4.00 / 2)

I just cringe.
by: condo @ Wed Sep 10,

2008 at 14:19:11 PM CDT
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911; Just for the Taste of It (4.00 / 2)

And they're off:
Really stupid piece of work by a diarist much too impressed with himself.
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 03:56:46 AM CDT
tachomartin (4.00 / 2)
9/11 CTer.
bad link (4.00 / 2)

and nothing to see at that user's page...for me...


[ Parent ]
I linked to an obvious ct diary. (4.00 / 2)

Both it and the member were--I assume--removed.

[ Parent ]
yuriwho (4.00 / 2)
Not sure what his problem is. http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
Check the comment I link to in that subthread.
James Tinsley (4.00 / 2)
Obama Is Unfit
Obvious RW troll.
more like a Paul troll (4.00 / 2)

his issue is flat tax.

[ Parent ]
I can't fucking watch (4.00 / 1)

youtubes in firefox anymore, and I'm pissed.
have to open an IE window.
fuck.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 11, 2008 at 12:06:24 PM CDT
Clean the cache, reboot or reinstall Flash (4.00 / 2)

I have the Flash.exe program on my desktop for easy access. Still
sucks, though

[ Parent ]
BTDT (4.00 / 2)
multiple times. can't do it any more.

[ Parent ]
linky (4.00 / 2)
dinky
our dadanation (4.00 / 2)

receives our well-deserved acclamation and acknowledgement in a diary

dedicated to him!
woo!
Off topic: (4.00 / 2)

How did you get a link in there without the "link" button that the
kos has?

[ Parent ]
Dkos BBCode (4.00 / 2)

works here, too.

[ Parent ]



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vital classified military information and what the
American government claimed was the secret to the
atomic bomb.
In the interview, Mr. Sobell, who is 91 and lives in the

Bronx, was asked whether as an electrical engineer he
turned over military secrets to the Soviets during World
War II when they were considered allies of the United
States. Was he, in fact, a spy?
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, call it that," he replied. "I never

thought of it as that in those terms."
"What I did was simply defensive, an aircraft gun," he

added. "This was defensive. You cannot plead that what
you did was only defensive stuff, but there's a big
difference between giving that and stuff that could be
used to attack our country."
Mr. Sobell drew a distinction between defensive radar

and artillery devices and the atomic bomb. But he said
that the sketches and other information on the bomb
that were passed along to Julius Rosenberg by Ethel's
brother, David Greenglass, an Army machinist at Los
Alamos, N.M., where the bomb was being built, were of
little value to the Soviets, who had already gleaned
much of it from other sources.
"What he gave them was junk," Mr. Sobell said of Julius

Rosenberg. The two men became friends while attending
City College of New York in the 1930s.
Mr. Sobell added, though: "His intentions might have

been to be a spy. The fact that he didn't know it was
junk makes that debatable."
Mr. Sobell, who refused to testify at his trial, was

sentenced to 30 years imprisonment but was released in
1969. The Rosenbergs were executed in the electric chair
at Sing Sing.
Mr. Sobell made his revelations on Thursday as the

National Archives, in response to a lawsuit from the
National Security Archive, historians and journalists,
released the bulk of the grand jury testimony in the

espionage conspiracy case against him and the

Rosenbergs.
Mr. Sobell is ailing, but says his long-term memory is

sound. He has repeatedly professed his innocence and
has said earlier of the Rosenbergs, "I would not take the
position that they were absolutely innocent."
In the interview on Thursday, Mr. Sobell affirmed what

has become a consensus among historians: that Ethel
Rosenberg was aware of her husband's espionage, but
did not actively participate.
"She knew what he was doing," Mr. Sobell said. "The

only thing she may have done is talked to her brother,
but Julius knew her brother as well as she did."
Mr. Greenglass, in an interview for a book by this

reporter, "The Brother," acknowledged that he had lied
when he testified that his sister had typed his notes
about the bomb - the single most incriminating evidence
against her. That allegation emerged months after Mr.
Greenglass and his wife testified before the grand jury
and only weeks before the trial was to begin.
Government prosecutors later acknowledged that they

hoped a conviction and the possibility of a death
sentence against Ethel Rosenberg would get her husband
to confess and implicate others, including some agents
known to investigators through secretly intercepted
Soviet cables.
That strategy failed, William Rogers, who was the deputy

attorney general at the time, admitted: "She called our
bluff."
Mr. Sobell has been interviewed a number of times

recently by Walter Schneir who, with his wife, Miriam,
wrote a damning indictment of the Rosenberg
prosecution years ago, but, on the basis of decoded
Soviet cables and other information, have since
reconsidered their verdict that Julius was innocent and
was completely framed by the government.
"Do I believe Morty? Yes," Mr. Schneir, who is writing a

memoir, said on Thursday. "The details that he's given
us so far we've been able to check the peripheral parts
and they check out."
As things turn out, Doctorow's "The Book of Daniel" nailed it.

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indubitably (4.00 / 2)
recced this = troll. check other recs, also.
I think Conservative Liberal is Darrell J Gahm, aka white trash poet,

hamburgler, holy handgrenade, etc.
wrong again (4.00 / 2)

thanks to the bungler

[ Parent ]
Hey condo, I see you saw that amazing diary from last night (4.00 /
2)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/... It is some of the most brilliant writing I
have ever had the pleasure to read on DK. I turned claude, ben masel and
OPOL to it last night and am going to turn more onto it today. claude is
going to rescue it tonight.
by: trashablanca @ Fri Sep 12, 2008 at 11:16:41 AM CDT
PT Barnum had me pegged. (4.00 / 2)

Sheesh, beautiful essay, plagiarized.
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 13:32:16 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
jeebus, me too. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
I did not see that when it was active but it

appears a whole (4.00 / 2)
bunch of folks what should have known better
got hosed. Whenever something looks too good
I've gotten into the habit of googling the entire
first paragraph. Ya never know what you're
gonna find.
BTW, can we move this over to today's thread--

it's kinda lonely in there.
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 14:35:32 PM

CDT

[ Parent ]
davefromqueens (4.00 / 2)
bigdave has been doing a bit of stalking, following me around and posting
comments designed to provoke:
He's gonna make another mistake.
For better or worse, I posted a comment to him in the first

one. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
And another. (0.00 / 0)


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Tap tap tap. Hey, is this thing on? (4.00 / 2)

You're quite right, MF. I am never going to pimp a diary without using teh
google first. Prolly end up reducing even further my pimpage.
it's crazy (4.00 / 2)

to have a lonely thread

[ Parent ]
XM's The Loft is playing The Faces "Ooh La

La" (4.00 / 2)
I frigging love that song. Funny thing is, I had never
heard it until to years ago, on XM, naturally.
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 21:44:40 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
me liek XM (4.00 / 2)
but I only listen in the car

by: condo @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 22:06:16 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Does this song have any particularly resonant

meaning for you? (4.00 / 2)
Crazy question, I know.
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 21:49:18 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
the wife's and my fave (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Sat Sep 13, 2008 at 22:06:46 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]



by: ugog
'Bout five years ago a friend introduced me to "Charlie." (I'm gonna call Username:
him that cause that's his name) She had gotten involved in a community
organization in her neighborhood and Charlie was the chairperson. There's
a story behind that: Password:
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something of a spokesman for victims families. Rose to the chair of this
Diaries organization he had barely been a part of previously on the strength of his
victimhood and nothing else.
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unsympathetic reread the article I linked above--Charlie wasn't lonely. And
in that neighborhood Charlie's loss wasn't unique.
He wasn't doing well for the organization, using it as a personal platform.

He met regularly with public officials and promoted himself as chair of this
group. He also, once my block got him off the board, had the balls to sue
the organization for expenses he incurred while wining and dining said
public officials. If it isn't clear yet, this is a non-profit. Completely
volunteer and nobody gets their expenses covered.
Something about this really pissed me off so I made an offer to the board:
Let me try this case (meaning no offer of settlement ever) and I'll do it for
free. They agreed.
Result seven items down:
http://www.thevillager.com/vil...
BTW, there is no such thing as a "Records Court"--that was just face saving
bullshit on his part.
Earlier this year my board and I retired and walked out in triumph. It was
time to go and we couldn't have left on a higher note. Now I'm told the
new board is meeting this week to reconsider paying some of Charlie's
expenses. I'm a gonna have to show up and re-kick his ass. It's been
such a quiet year until now.
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I got fan mail. (4.00 / 2)

In response to this troll diary:
I received the following statement of support:
Sorry about that I didn't know what a troll was, I had to

go ask my husband. I thank you for giving him a good
laugh btw. On 2 parts, 1. He has had to mediate the
fights over politics that I have with my parents, and 2.
What I thought you ment by troll, and it definately
wasn't what you ment. ok that is why I got so angry.......
now I have roughly 4 hours to grab some sleep, before
godzookie and godzilla wake.... Enjoy being a jerk....
by: ugog @ Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 03:21:17 AM CDT
b'zarre (4.00 / 2)
hard to know what went on, though, as it's done gone and
wented.
I solo-sailed in the sunset and moonrise last night, and today got
pelted with water balloons near the end of a "fun race" I sailed in
with two of my kids. the wife will be home soon with the
Singapore mai fun &c.; nice weekend.
ps - the wife seems to think I'm sort of a semicolon for using

semicolons.

[ Parent ]
...And you're missing most of it. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
left a note (4.00 / 2)

in that thread.

that one smells "off," too new to do that history

search, imo - and the bead she drew on you is
too familiar.
by: condo @ Sun Sep 14, 2008 at 18:32:08 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I listen for a "voice". (4.00 / 2)

That's as meta as I can get.
When someone is presenting

themselves as something I look at what
they say. Does it hold together, is it at
least internally consistent. The
misspellings and grammar mistakes
appear intentional. The self
deprecatory humor, both in public and
private, appear calculated. It feels like
I am definitely having a talk with
someone other than the obvious.
YMMV. And the discussion continued
at my link...
by: ugog @ Sun Sep 14, 2008 at

19:03:52 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yes, that's how I feel, too

(4.00 / 2)
all that. one needs to be able
to do this. this could well be
greg, imho.
by: condo @ Sun Sep 14,

2008 at 19:15:54 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
well, also (2.50 / 2)

that's what that comment I
left was aboot.
by: condo @ Sun Sep 14,

2008 at 19:27:15 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
was (4.00 / 2)
this your first comment in that diary? I'm
guessing yes, as it's #4.
are we being asked to consider that a brand-

new user went and researched your comment
history on the basis of a user calling what was
obviously an egregiously troll diary - a troll
diary...?

CDT
[ Parent ]
I meant (4.00 / 2)
this one
by: condo @ Sun Sep 14, 2008 at

20:27:34 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
left another note (4.00 / 1)

here
by: condo @ Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 09:07:54 AM

CDT
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by: ugog @ Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 05:56:47 AM CDT
Nazi (4.00 / 3)
I added this, almost replied to dave but thought better of it.
and it got recced before I could post this. and it's fucking early,
early; too early. bleargh.

[ Parent ]
I think, dfq, pager, kestrel, randi (4.00 / 3)

and whoever else in that clique, are best left ignored.
Their whining gets sympathy from low-info kossacks.

by: trashablanca @ Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 11:55:00 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I haven't responded to dave for more than

a week. (4.00 / 1)
Randy for even longer and k9k/pager for
months. When I know that it's "on" I'm real
careful about what I do. Not gonna get caught
up rearguing old questions with bigdave. If I'm
gonna engage with any of 'em it will be on
unassailable ground. Patience, grasshopper.
by: ugog @ Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 15:47:01 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
slogging threw the muck (4.00 / 1)

our new friend
It's gone. What and who? (4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 11:53:23 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
check out (4.00 / 2)

my comments, and "mom's" comments, on that diary...
look in our comment histories.
after I called her out, a few comments went back and

forth, and she pulled it.

[ Parent ]
jhastings (4.00 / 2)
wrote an incredibly antiSemitic screed today, which was getting
bombarded, and then seems to have been deleted by admins, along with
all comments; I had at least three in there, which vanished. here's a
screenshot of the diary listing on the FP.
ps - but they were not banned (4.00 / 2)

that's the weird part.

[ Parent ]
irony: (4.00 / 2)
pager
I am kinda tempted to jump in there. (4.00 / 2)

Gonna resist it, though.

[ Parent ]
I heard that. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Nothing to be gained there. (4.00 / 2)

Ms P is one of the least dangerous members of
the oppo side. Ignoring her comes without much
of a penalty.
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 04:07:51 AM

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Been laying back a bit. I have no sense of where the site (dkos) is going.
Sometimes you just gotta hold on and ride. For those of you who were
around in 2004--was it like this? I was at DU back then and it was nothing
like this. One thing I've gotta say about DU and it's from the inside: They
do take out the trash quickly. The kos--not so much.
Once it was determined that Kerry was our nominee and thus the only
person standing between us and four more years of Rethuglican rule
everyone got on board. The concern trolling and campaign micro
managing at kos by folks who have never actually worked for a campaign
is pathetic. Participation there is starting to feel like a job.
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the mom in the middle (4.00 / 2)

That person is definitely not a newbie. He/she knows whom they are
addressing, both you and me. Everything about this person screams of a
pffter invader. I'm still not buying any of "her" act.
my take on dkos (4.00 / 2)

is that people feel some ownership due to the community moderation,
which contributes to the site's success.

the admins try to be as hands-off as they can, to avoid the inevitable

perception of heavy-handedness among the disaffected minority - which is
the kind of thing that affects the entire site.
it's not perfect - but what other comparable site has the traffic, and the
good stuff, that approaches the volume of dkos?
I also think traffic to the site is driven by the fact that, with the FP articles
and many of the rec-list diaries, a user is assured of getting fresh, breaking
everythingness. the horrid troll bullshit is largely confined to skirmishing in
comments, where many don't even go.
hey, thanks, yougogue... (4.00 / 2)

for this kynd vid.
k9k is flirting with me (4.00 / 2)

by reccing a whole bunch of my comments, now this.
ugh.
I noticed that Randi put up a new diary this am (4.00 / 2)

and k9 didn't comment, rec the diary or rec Randi's comments.
Hmmm, is this a trend?

[ Parent ]
who knows? (4.00 / 2)

it's a fucking non-diary, too - but I sure ain't bringing it
up.

[ Parent ]
We haven't fed into Randi's BS and it

seems she isn't getting (4.00 / 1)
the attention she used to. She's got a few
regulars left, but most people seem to be
dropping away from her. The lesson is, don't
poke pet trolls. Let them do themselves in.

16:51:16 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I saw that as an intentional provocation. (4.00 / 1)

I saw Randy around this morning prior to posting her
diary. No confrontations, just saw her Recing things in
the background. I'm more than halfway convinced that
she posted an intentionally thin diary hoping and
expecting that I would poke her with a stick. Chose not
to bite. If/when I take Dave and Randy on it will be on
rock solid ground not a technicality.
The lesson is, don't poke pet trolls. Let

them do themselves in.

Mostly true however when you see one in the process of

flaming out it's OK to fan the flames. Just gotta choose
your spots.

[ Parent ]
If that's what she was doing - pathetic

(4.00 / 1)
She really has anger management issues and a
screw or 12 loose. If I let myself, I could easily
hate that asshole.

18:07:47 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
She has done this exact thing

before-- (4.00 / 1)
Posting a diary with a feeble apology
for breaking some rule at a time when
she knows I'm around. She will self-
destruct on her own given time. dave
isn't gonna be so easy and he's more
annoying:
I could easily hate

that asshole.
She's only dangerous to herself and her

associates. Sad, really.
by: ugog @ Tue Sep 16, 2008 at

18:19:20 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
MarkB701 (4.00 / 2)
check this comment, then his
bio.
by: condo @ Tue Sep 16,

2008 at 20:22:02 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I saw that and

grrrr'd (4.00 / 1)
eroded is also in the
thread and is a troll,
imo.
by: trashablanca @
Tue Sep 16, 2008 at
22:16:52 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Oh, another one of that croud is raboof (4.00 / 1)

from my limited interaction with that one, I already despise him/her. You
have any observations?

raboof has been davefromqueens steadiest supporter.

(4.00 / 1)
He's always there in the background to Rec dave and TR me. Also
rainmanjr. And now k9k as well. Don't trust any of them.

[ Parent ]
raboof is unleashed tonight! (4.00 / 2)

Here: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
and here: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
Both those felt good. btw, you guys must know that I don't give out
retaliatory hydrates, but I do remember and wait for opportunity to present
itself.
Yeppers, again. (4.00 / 2)

Just about anything is TRable if one wants it to be. When I'm
engaging with someone and I know the spotlight is on I make sure
that the d0nuts I drop are solid. And late. Gonna keep an eye on
that first comment you link. If it's close at the end of the rating
window...
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 00:33:44 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
Dayum, dude. You should be worried (4.00 / 2)

that we think alike, sometimes.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 00:39:04 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Though, to be fair, I shot early, tonight

(4.00 / 2)
and gave lots of time for upraters. Actually, I'm
glad for the opportunity to get them to commit.
jrinx, imo, is OK despite her uprate, I hope.

00:41:40 AM CDT
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absolutely (4.00 / 2)
these shit diaries and troll comments
are a great early warning system of the
incipient troll. surprised that browneyes
recced the diary, though.
by: condo @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 at

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uno mas! (4.00 / 2)

or...noch a mol.
Just posting a link:
expanded to a quarter (4.00 / 2)

gives us about thirteen more entries.

[ Parent ]
"Turnoff troll" - what bullshit (4.00 / 2)

and k-9 is right there with dfq, lovingly nestled between
his butt cheeks, happily uprating every bit of gas that
passes his way.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 11:24:15 AM

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[ Parent ]
I coined a better term for Randi (4.00 / 2)

mojo guzzler - it got used by a couple of people
then died a lonely death.

11:56:43 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
laroccan (4.00 / 1)
here's another one...what you make of this...?
That troll is a nut job to boot. (4.00 / 2)

Bet his shrink isn't very happy, either.

[ Parent ]
That unit is definitely trying to play us for something.

(4.00 / 2)
I'm not real fond of the, "Take it from me, I'm (black, gay, etc.)"
genre of diaries. One should have to earn some credibility before
presuming to speak for others or as a representative example of
anything. And this one is quite insane.

[ Parent ]
hello folks (4.00 / 3)

thanks for inviting me!
by: taylormattd @ Wed Sep 17, 2008 at 22:43:53 PM CDT
Condolences... (4.00 / 2)
You're an admin.


[ Parent ]
delighted! (4.00 / 1)
MDT is in the house!

[ Parent ]
OK, here's two newish suspect trolls (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/u... keeps hydrating irishwitch, who is a
mensch on women's issues.
and buzzkill, as illustrated by this comment:

in this diary: http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
I'm tired, cranky and may be coming down with something, but these two
jokers have a little instant karma coming, imo.
Done and done. (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Already pulled mine from buzzkill (4.00 / 2)

won't touch liberate since he used all five on irishwitch
and me, but he really ought to lose TU. Too many people
don't use it at all, so we can't afford to have idiots abuse
it.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 00:11:27 AM

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[ Parent ]
buzzkill? (4.00 / 2)
I find no users with that name.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 07:13:15 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
buzzsaw (4.00 / 1)
I started a shiny new thread just for
today.
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two days ago, (4.00 / 2)

our fearless ugog traveled nearly two millennia into the past to bring us our
daily thread.
next time, can you drop me off in 1970, have me be 18 again, but know
what I know now?
thanks.
If you knew then what you know now... (4.00 / 2)

how many things would you really have done differently. You
could avoid some obviously bad choices but the damage those
choices caused was limited and you know what it was. The
damage that your new set of choices would cause is not yet
known. Your call.

[ Parent ]
yes, I know I'd get to make (4.00 / 2)

a whole new set of mistakes - but I would have a lot

more great sex, and I'd be unbelievably wealthy, and

therefore be able to effect postive change.

[ Parent ]
Perfect set up to post Ooh La La lyrics (4.00 / 2)

poor old Granddad, I laughed at all his words
I thought he was a bitter man
he spoke of women's ways
they'll trap you when they use you
before you even now
for love is blind and you're far to kind
don't ever let it show
I wish that I knew what I know now

when I was younger
when I was stronger
the can-can such a pretty show

will steal your heart away
but backstage back on earth again
the dressing rooms are grey
they come on strong and it ain't too long
for they make you feel a man
but love is blind and you soon will find
you're just a boy again
when you want her lips, you get her cheek

makes you wonder where you are
if you want some more then she's fast asleep
leaves you twinkling with the stars
poor young grandson there's nothing I can say
you'll have to learn, just like me
and that's the hardest way
ooh la la
ooh la la, la la, yeah

when I was younger
when I was stronger
I believe the chorous speaks to you, condo.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 09:28:48 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
ooh! watch the recs pile up (4.00 / 2)

on this one...
mariesamuels (4.00 / 2)
has posted an otherwise OK diary but her title is a bit inflammatory:
Sarah Palin at Nuremberg (oops!) I mean NY Rally
The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish

Organizations is having an anti-Iran rally at Dag
Hammarskjold Plaza in NYC on Monday.

She's not taking the hint either:
if I had a d0nut... (4.00 / 2)

it'd go here.

[ Parent ]
and cosmic debris uprated it (4.00 / 2)

she has turned into a huge troll loving asshole, imo.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 18, 2008 at 16:57:15 PM

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[ Parent ]
More fan mail: (4.00 / 2)
So a person can troll rate for cluelessness, huh?

What are you, a Wikipedia editor?
I am a writer. I choose my words carefully. Do

you think I'm clueless about mass murder?
What scares me is the possibility of a
personality cult created by rallies such as what
happehed at Nuremberg.
You don't like my interpretation so you threaten

to blackball me? I'm sorry that I offended you
so much by saying Sarah Palin's speaking at a
rally threatens to strengthen her personality
cult. Perhaps you thought that was flippant.
Wait until Monday when the news media in New

York amplifies her presence.

[ Parent ]
lol (4.00 / 2)
you what the commonality is among asshole trolls...?
their delusions of intelligence.

[ Parent ]
lrbreckenripple (4.00 / 2)
Who is this guy:
No way it's a newbie.
I've seen it around (4.00 / 2)

for a while, I think, uprating trolls.

[ Parent ]
here's another (4.00 / 2)

four hours later
this adds up to evidence of stalking?

[ Parent ]
Hey kids, looky here! A Paultard. (4.00 / 2)

I saw a Ron Paul sticker on the 210 yesterday, along with 2 McSame
stickers. Only saw 1 Obama sticker, though.
b-but -- they ain't nuffin' there! (4.00 / 2)

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who knew that Don McLean even knew the Giambatistas?
by: condo @ Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 08:32:54 AM CDT
I guess my point wasn't clear. (0.00 / 0)

That's gonna happen from time to time. I saw Segovia a couple of times right
before his death. While it took him approx twenty minutes to warm up, once he did
it was obvious that he was a master of his instrument--even at 91. What struck me
was his tone and timing. He wasn't demonstrating that he could play the notes, he
was playing the pauses as well. Current wisdom is that playing fast, no mater what
shit you play makes one a great guitarist. Disagree completely. And Chet Atkins
reminds me a lot of Segovia. I'm quite serious here. Lemme try this again:

"Years from now, after I'm gone, someone will listen to what I've
done and know I was here. They may not know or care who I
was, but they'll hear my guitars speaking for me."
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 11:45:12 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
And furthermore... (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
that's what you took away (4.00 / 1)

from the Fahey clip? he plays a lot of notes?

[ Parent ]
No, that comment was directed more at Clapton. (4.00 / 1)

I'm not familiar with "Fahey" and you provided no clues.
However I took another look. He's got a couple of interesting and
unusual techniques but other than that what am I supposed to be
seeing?

[ Parent ]
Clapton? (0.00 / 0)
I must have missed something.
I've been a John Fahey fan for years, just wanted to

share. No accounting for taste.

[ Parent ]
This isn't a matter of taste. (0.00 / 0)

I've never seen nor heard of Fahey before. I
was making a point about a particular style of
playing, some common ground between the
classicist Segovia and Atkins, a Country guy. It
wasn't about 'good' vs. 'bad' guitarists. How
can you even tell Fahey's tone when he's
playing a steel stringed guitar? We are asking
and answering different questions here. See
Sunday's daily thread for more...
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you might want to change "none of which had registered" to "none of
whom had registered."
you might want to recount some details about the three-for-one.

personally, I'm all ears...
re: "manila" - it's really "vanilla," was vulgarized.
by: condo @ Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 08:16:03 AM CDT
lol. Thanks condo. (4.00 / 2)

Changed the 'which' to 'whom'.
As for the 'Manilla', at least it is not that crappy pair of lipsinc'ers that do
not deserve to be linked here... Milli Vanilli? Heck, I can't even
remember their name, which is a good thing.
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wow! (4.00 / 2)
Oh, yeah? (4.00 / 2)

My boss turned me on to Lawrence Juber. He used to be in Wings.

In keeping with our mission statement (4.00 / 2)

This one is perfect for mocking trolls:
I used that on an old friend: (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
heh (4.00 / 2)
fucking asshole, that guy.

[ Parent ]
now, here's something which utterly sucks (4.00 / 2)

a piece of pin or some goddam thing, in my foot. gots to get it sliced and
dug out.
I've taken down most of my blogroll, the greggish links. figured they'd been
seen.
Yikes. (4.00 / 2)
That wasn't a terribly bright thing to do to yourself.

[ Parent ]
ya - thought it'd be cool (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
A navel ring wouldn't have been sufficient?

(4.00 / 1)
by: ugog @ Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 15:07:01 PM

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[ Parent ]
oh, no! internal foot-pins (4.00 / 2)

are all the rage right now!
by: condo @ Mon Sep 22, 2008 at

15:10:52 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
our friend pager (4.00 / 2)

accusing someone of scolding
bottles stirs the (4.00 / 2)

shit

[ Parent ]

Hey, does anybody know what happened to StephenJoseph (4.00 /

2)
he was a helluva good TU, imo.
I have no knowledge but... (4.00 / 2)

I assumed he was one of several people who took a look around
and chose to sit the election out. Can't imagine him doing
anything which would get him nuked. I'd guess that he'll be back
when things calm down.

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Nader vs. Triumph: (4.00 / 2)
"you're like my ass (4.00 / 2)

after I've eaten Taco Bell - you won't stop running."

[ Parent ]
the "comp?" (4.00 / 2)

whuzzat?
splain.
bad HR (4.00 / 2)
here
bad daily troll (4.00 / 2)

jhastings again
OK, we have a recist piece of shit (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/commen... I emailed Barb for banning purposes.
What an ugly little shit. I usually add really nasty replies to their
comments to ruin any possible enjoyment they may get when looking up
their ugly comments.
"DKos police" (4.00 / 2)

I hate that shit.

Pager's at it again (4.00 / 2)

She rec'ed this comment http://www.dailykos.com/commen... in a troll's
Bomb Iran diary. What a putz. I see no purpose in trying to use reason to
debate right wing trolls. They ain't budging off stupid to save their lives.
Eff 'em.
wrong link? (4.00 / 2)

I see where she recc'd jhastings, but so did 36 others...

[ Parent ]
Yup, I've been doing that a lot lately (4.00 / 1)

sometimes it sucks to be me ;=} Here's the right one I
hope: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
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Now that I've got that widget up and running I'm gonna (4.00 / 2)
delete the countdown from the daily thread.
nice widget (4.00 / 2)

but that's where I used to look for "HOME" to click on.
now, I have to drag my gaze all the way over to the right side of my screen...

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I noticed that too. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
is back with a vengeance and Randy is riding shotgun:

you HAD to go there? (4.00 / 2)

I know his stuff is utter crap, but - what did you expect?
or was this done, expecting this? to "bring it to a head?"
I think the admins won't act on any of this unless something forces them to.
but, thanks for the nice diversion, keeping me from visualizing the sharp scalpel
slicing into the bottom of my foot in four hours.

[ Parent ]
The dude was attacking all people who moved to (4.00 / 2)

Long Island during the fifties and sixties and their children as RW trash.
Need I mention that yours truly and his parents are included in that
designation.
visualizing the sharp scalpel slicing into the bottom of my

foot in four hours.
It'll go much better than if they used a dull scalpel. How'd you do this to
yourself again?

[ Parent ]
as are me and my parents (4.00 / 2)

who moved to VS in '53.
but if I saw that in a bigdave screed, I'd just move on - there's

only a load of pure shit and rancor gonna come out of that. nothing
in there seems to be able to move any admins to action.

[ Parent ]
bigdave would be delighted if I avoided him. (4.00 /

2)
Either that or engaged him in a manner which caused
trouble for myself. Neither of those is gonna happen. Not

sure what admins are waiting for, obviously dave and
Randy can't be trusted with ratings ability. Randy has
announced that she will TR me on sight. Whatever.

[ Parent ]
Dude, we know randi, k9 and dfq are circle jerking assholes (4.00 / 2)
But it's lame to confront dfq in his own diaries. It doesn't look good for you, no matter what
reason you come up with for doing so. If you're going to confront them, do it on neutral turf,
but at this point, you should prolly ignore them all. I am not uprating any of your hydrated
comments for hours, if at all. I don't read or rec dfq's diaries, so I have no reason going
there, and neither do you.
Now BarbinMD is involved. (4.00 / 2)

I want to hydrate randi's refusal to knock it off, but it'll only get uprated and extend the
jerkfest. I haven't commented to randi since I swore I wouldn't again, but I will hydrate her
when I get a legitimate chance.
I wrote to Barb (4.00 / 1)

both through the site and through my email.

[ Parent ]
Must be that second time what done it. (4.00 / 2)

Looks like dave and Randy have lost their ability to rate comments ;-)

[ Parent ]
4 admins have now weighed in, and Randi's asshole is showing again (4.00 / 2)
Oh, how I want her to be her ugly self and meltdown right here and now in front of the
admins. I despise her more than anyone else on DK.
'tis a fucking thing (4.00 / 2)

of rare beauty, that thread.
my hat's off to you, ugog.
now to have my foot sliced open.


[ Parent ]
Good luck, condo (4.00 / 2)

Hope you feel the thrill of victory and not the agony of de feet.

[ Parent ]
it's out (4.00 / 2)

feels like shit.
but I'll cope with smoke, wine, ibuprofen and poker.

[ Parent ]
The old SWIP treatment. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Interesting. In the thread you posted (4.00 / 2)

here: http://www.dailykos.com/commen... there is a user named Saint Timmeh who is
uprating Randi's comments. It has been banned, but I can find no comments, period. I
wonder whose sockpuppet could be uprating randi?
hidden (4.00 / 2)
what is that?
the thing in my foot was about a 1/2" of clipped-off resistor lead.

[ Parent ]
Well, Randi and her sockpuppet anathema have been banned. (4.00 / 2)
http://www.dailykos.com/user/R...
http://www.dailykos.com/user/a...

What I was referring to was Randi's rec'er, Saint Timmeh:

Right (2+ / 0-)
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raboof, Saint Timmeh
More projection, more hypocrisy, you never learn. Here's a clue: who's stalking who?
Of course, since you never actually have the courage to write any diaries of your own, I guess
that answers that...
Anyone who fails to see the historical parallels between Blackwater & the Nazi SS, or the DHS
& the Gestapo, needs a serious reality check.
by Randgrithr on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 12:16:52 AM PDT
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And I've been warned: (4.00 / 2)
You've Been Warned...

2008-09-24 18:13:28
This appears to be a third warning in as many months. Do not
deliberately antagonize other posters.
I understand the above warning (posting is no longer allowed until
this is acknowledged).
Not sure what for. Methinks I handled myself well.

[ Parent ]
do you think that's worth (4.00 / 2)

writing to someone, for clarification? seems pretty vague.
even though they never seem to respond to you...
you need to know if that warning means you are banned from commenting
in any of dave's diaries, or randi's - that's the crux.
as long as you can post there with valid comments, that's all it would take.


[ Parent ]
I do however whom to write? (4.00 / 2)
if that warning means you are banned from

commenting in any of dave's diaries, or randi's -
that's the crux.
Agreed. There have been times where I've been able to look back
on my participation in a thread and see things I could have done
better (GFY=109 d0nuts). This isn't one of those occasions. If
admins want me simply to ignore and avoid dave someone should
say so. A quiet private note will do and I'm not the type to call
them out in public unlike some other folks I know who are no
longer able to rate comments. While admins have done nothing to
help me they aren't my enemies either. And I'm a team player
once I know what the game is.

[ Parent ]
I'd write Barb and maybe the other three (4.00 / 2)

admin in the thread to be sure.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 20:00:55 PM

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[ Parent ]
Barb, for sure. (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Please stay away from DFQ (4.00 / 2)

You know, I used to read and rec some of his diaries. Before he and you got
into it, I noticed he freely and wrongly hydrated people who disagreed with
him in his diaries, and decided to give him a wide berth then.
It does you no good to interact with him at all. He's an immature dick. We
know this, so let him be.
Oh, I sent K9 a little email about his banned butt-buddy and her smelly

sock. Let me know if you want to see it and/or any reply I may get.

[ Parent ]
sure (4.00 / 2)
trot 'em out

[ Parent ]
I have to close up shop now (4.00 / 2)

I'll shoot an email to you both when I get home. Shoulda
thunk of it earlier.

CDT
[ Parent ]
You've read dave's diary, no? (4.00 / 2)

My first comment was:
Classic bigdave: (7+ / 3-)
many of the people who came

to Long Island in the forties,
fifties, and sixties were pure
trash, the bottom of the
human barrel. And since
apples usually don't fall far
from trees, many of the
children who grew up on Long
Island also became the bottom
of the barrel.
Not a fact in sight.
The Alabama Conservative is a

violent, racist, bigoted prick
with neo nazis leanings. He's
poor, low class, and just plain
trash. This kind of conservative
thinks it's okay to burn
crosses, smash mailboxes, be
part of a lynch mob, and be
violent to those deemed as
"liberal" or "faggots." Long

Island has many of these
dirtbags.
This should be interesting...
If I can't call him out for this sort of blatant bigotry what am I
doing there? I have been avoiding him, he's probably posted a half
dozen diaries since the last time we crossed paths. I'm hoping that
dfq and Randy follow through on their public threats and take a
hike.
let him be.
If the audience were composed of only the UGoG and brighter

children that would be fine. But someone has to provide a voice of
moderation whenever Randy and dave are around. Can only begin
to tell you how many times I chose not to get involved in a dave or
Randy diary because the situation wasn't as clearcut as desired. I
know you have only the interests of the site and myself at heart so
tell me what to do, I'm all ears.

[ Parent ]
Yup, that's when I rec'ed your hiddens earlier today

(4.00 / 2)
I wasn't going to until I read the diary. DFQ's a thin-
skinned wienie and he got called on it by admin, but you
got dinged too in the process. That isn't a win-win it's a
win-draw blood.

CDT
[ Parent ]
How did I get dinged? (4.00 / 2)

I didn't drop a single d0nut, didn't call anyone a
name, didn't ask for help from above, didn't
threaten to do anything if admins didn't give me
what I want, didn't lose my temper and kept it
substantive. My first comment was completely
substantive; dave's reputation as a smear
merchant and tendency to simplify is fair game in
this context. Five minutes later my comment had
two d0nuts on it and we were off to the races.
Looks to me like they are the ones who asked for

help and forced admins to deal with this. Other
than the warning, how did this hurt me?
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 18:46:26 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Well, I'd call getting the dreaded red

box warning (4.00 / 2)
getting dinged. It worked out because
Randi is banned, but now you have to be
pretty careful and avoid big dave.
Maybe my bar is too high, but I prefer
that admin stay out of TU squabbles. I
consider their involvement an
inconvenience to be avoided in most
cases.
In any event, Randi's gone again and

hopefully stays gone for good.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Sep 24, 2008

at 19:57:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Why do you assume Randy

has been nuked? (4.00 / 2)
I expect she only lost her rating
ability.
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 24, 2008

at 19:59:18 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Maybe you're right

(4.00 / 2)
but the sockpuppet
thing is a helluva
coincidence. At least
two admins made
comments about it in
the comments. I also
pointed out to Barb
Saint Timmeh from the
June thread.
by: trashablanca @
Wed Sep 24, 2008 at
20:29:56 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
My take is
that Randy
is much too
sophisticated
(4.00 / 2)
to use a
naked
(meaning
traceable)
sockpuppet.
And why
would she
even need to
in that
thread, dave,
vox humana,
k9k and
raboof are
covering her
ass? I saw
that MIss
Laura
understood
what was
going on but
who was the
other admin?
Saint Timmeh
was an
obvious
zombie. I
spotted it
immediately
and it was
nuked very
quickly. No
way anyone
with that UN
is serious.
by: ugog @
Wed Sep 24,
2008 at
20:38:25 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
Well you
could very
well be
right. (4.00 /
2)
Randi hasn't
commented
since that
diary and
nobody
responded to
my post in
that diary
that she was
banned.
Time will
out, I guess.
by:
trashablanca
@ Wed Sep
24, 2008 at
20:56:16 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
The other
one was
brownsox
(4.00 / 2)
His heh said
it all, imo.
http://www.
dailykos.com/
commen...
by:
trashablanca
@ Wed Sep
24, 2008 at
21:58:12 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
omfg yes
(4.00 / 2)

priceless.
they should
be here.
by: condo @
Wed Sep 24,
2008 at
23:26:56 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
Methinks
it's the
other way
round.
(4.00 / 2)
We should be
inside the
dkos mod
room.
by: ugog @
Wed Sep 24,
2008 at
23:55:35 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
I asked a
question
(4.00 / 2)
here, and
emailed him
to let him
know I asked
it.
you think the

warning was
about your
use of
"bigdave?"
by: condo @
Thu Sep 25,
2008 at
00:21:14 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
I'm tempted
to point out
that the shit
didn't hit
the fan
(4.00 / 2)
until dave
and Randy
dropped
d0nuts on my
initial,
harmless
comment.
Am I not
allowed to
complain
about bad
d0nuts?
by: ugog @
Thu Sep 25,
2008 at
00:45:09 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
I really liked
the answer
(4.00 / 2)
to my
question: DfC
didn't want to
sound as
though he
was taking
sides, which
he were not,
and said, in a
way
calculated to
sound very
even-handed,
that there's
no problem
with any user
making
legitimate
comments in
any diary.

that was all I

was looking
and hoping
for.
by: condo @
Thu Sep 25,
2008 at
07:44:35 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
I tried to
drive home
the point
that this
was (4.00 /
2)
about ratings
abuse and
nothing else.
Give folks a
comfortable
place to fall
down, I say.
Now can we
move this to
today's
thread? At
this rate we'll
never catch
up with the
others.
by: ugog @
Thu Sep 25,
2008 at
07:50:09 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
Furthermore... (4.00 / 2)
If dave and Randy no longer
have the ability to rate
comments that may well solve
things. As aforesaid, my feud
with each of them started when

I objected to something in one
of their diaries and they
responded with ratings abuse.
If they had been forced to
defend themselves without
d0nuts most of this wouldn't
have happened. Greg the
cometman and tony the
American mute were both
under control when they
couldn't rate comments. Well,
Greg more than tony.
As things turned out I can't

think of a clearer example of
their abuse of the ratings
system than the subject thread.
It was kinda obvious that
nothing was gonna change
without admin action and today
they were forced, I guess to
take action. Of course I'll be
careful around dave. I was
careful today. Don't miss
tomorrow's daily thread. It's
already in the can and I'm
kinda happy with it ;-)
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 24, 2008

at 20:05:57 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I showed up here
tonight (4.00 / 2)
after winning at poker
to tell of bdfq's new
diary, but you were
already in it!!!
fine work.
by: condo @ Wed Sep

24, 2008 at 23:31:15
PM CDT
[ Parent ]
* (4.00 / 2)
* [new] I don't think that

objecting (4+ / 0-)
to the grotesque set of
stereotypes put forth in this
diary is gratuitous.
And telling the person who is in

fact abusing ratings to stop
abusing ratings, while not
telling the person who is not
abusing ratings the same thing,
is not biased.
by MissLaura on Wed Sep 24,

2008 at 12:57:05 PM EDT
by: ugog @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 19:36:15 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I think it might as well have been (4.00 / 2)

greg the cometman, from the wimpy, sappy writing style. very un-Randi-ish

[ Parent ]
Yup. (4.00 / 2)
Game, set, match:
http://www.freespeechzoneblog....
Great call on your part.

[ Parent ]
the actual smoking gun (4.00 / 2)

here

[ Parent ]
I'm assuming that Randy lost her rating ability (4.00 / 2)

and nothing more. I'm kinda with condo in thinking that anathema was someone
else's zombie. I'm also thinking about writing to Laura with a cc to the other three
admins who chimed in. Any thoughts?

[ Parent ]
Barb is who responds mostly IME (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]



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had appeared in to that point) chambers. With me were attorneys for Citibank,
Bank Leumi and the sheriff of NY County. This woman was ranting and raving
and I must confess it was difficult keeping my composure. Until it became
impossible. Wallach dismissed 98% of her argument and described the
remainder as, "a wisp of a reason" before tossing her out on her ass.
Wow, twenty years and I'm still using that expression. Could have flashed back
for this too.
Then Mylene leaned forward in her chair and said, "But Judge, you don't
understand the law." That's when 1K per hour of legal talent completely lost it.
Wallach bit down hard on the stem of his pipe and replied, "I'm afraid I
understand all too well, Ma'am."
Seeing Randy tell Barb that she doesn't understand the rules kinda took me
back a bit. By publicly threatening to leave unless granted the relief they seek
dave and Randy have boxed themselves in a corner.
Am I hearing this correctly, McCain is suspending his campaign? Are they even
trying this year? They are really running outta things to try next.
(If ya wanna know how many days are left look leftward. Hey--I did

something)

Tags)
backward bush (4.00 / 2)

always a favorite.
since greg is unrepentant, (4.00 / 2)

and vows to continue his compulsive spewage on dkos, what if his employer
was somehow able to discover his activities done on company time?
check his comments, and it's easy to see that he's doing some of this while
supposedly counting the fish.
here's a nice clue by which to ID his next zombie; he's nothing if not helpful.
I noticed that bigdave took a shot at you in that (4.00 / 1)

thread from yesterday:
Ah, nevermind. I see you already found it.

[ Parent ]
If you can nail him, please do so (4.00 / 2)

I am so sick of that sanctimonious turd spewing his hate-filled
nonsense.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:48:32 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
well, it wouldn't be (4.00 / 2)

tough to rat him out to his boss, with beaucoup examples of
his shit, and the working hours (and, presumably, his work
computer and ISP) that were used to spew them.
but the Force Majeure used to have a different idea about

proceeding, which is why I floated the idea here...

[ Parent ]
Couldn't happen to a nastier asshole (4.00 / 2)

go get him, bottles.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:03:45

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I'm willin' to reconsider. (4.00 / 1)

What do you have in mind?


[ Parent ]
what I have in mind (4.00 / 2)

is an anonymous email sent to the owner of
Browne's, and anyone else I can find there,
with links to his shit, with egregious crap
highlighted, along with obvious work times,
during which he posted endlessly (not
unlike me, but I'm self-employed,)
illustrating the ongoing nature of his work
abuse.
that's all.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:19:35

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Would they take an anonymous

email seriously? (4.00 / 2)
BTW, my "preview" button is back.
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at

12:21:36 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I assume they're not

(4.00 / 1)
jaded internet cruzers,
like us, who would know
the difference between
email types, so much,
imo.
it would have a subject

line which would pique
their curiosity, with
enough info on greg, links
between him and
cometman, and shitty
stuff they'd likely not be
so interested in being
linked to - and there's the
fact that our greg steals
their time and resources,
continuously over a long
time, to play out his
shitty shit on the
internets...we can only
put it out there and hope
they'd care. maybe they
wouldn't.
the point is, it wouldn't

be some easily-dismissed
assertion - there would be
plenty for greg to answer
for.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 25,

2008 at 12:28:26 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
bigdave braces bottles (4.00 / 2)

read all about it.

bottles opines (4.00 / 2)

to bigdave; ignores raboof.

[ Parent ]
here's the goddamned thing (4.00 / 2)

now, from deep in my foot: looks like a clipped-off resistor lead.
bottles disses randipanties (4.00 / 2)

here
image found here.
oh, ha ha ha (4.00 / 1)
the energizer bunnies of sociopathy
TWO!! (4.00 / 2)
two in the same day!!!

magnificence.

[ Parent ]
This is hysterical. (4.00 / 2)

Someone is actually spending time posting as a caricature of
me.
BTW, I'd be a bit careful around bigdave. He's obviously

trying to trap you into saying something damaging. There is
no need for you to say anything as the fact that you are there
and not complaining says it all.
BTW part 2, right now I don't have a "preview" button here.

Just two "cancel" buttons. Hamlet indeed.

[ Parent ]
ok, well, here's the whole thread (4.00 / 2)

and I'm out of it, now.
hope it seems as stupidity-free (on my part) as I

hoped it would.

[ Parent ]
Yes, absolutely. (4.00 / 2)

You weren't answering his questions or
playing his game. And that other asshole
raboof got involved. As long as you're on
your guard you'll be fine. Funny as hell
watching him try to suck up to you in his
own insincere manner.
Just a thought: When the Great Ratings

Yank of 2007 took place a couple of
members who had previous trouble ended
up nuked in the process. Apparently their
previous record was considered a first strike
and their punishment got bumped up a
notch. b v in particular. If Randy really
was nuked on prior occasions perhaps she
was similarly bumped up to nuke. She
hasn't posted since that thread yesterday
and I expect she would wanna show she's
still standing.
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 12:55:32

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
W00t! My fondest wish pulled

straight outta my ass (4.00 / 2)
may actually come true! I am
going to happy dance my patoot
off if this actually pans out.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Sep 25,

2008 at 13:03:27 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
dave has been so

impressed he's offering

me a discount: (4.00 /
2)
http://www.dailykos.com/
commen...
by: ugog @ Thu Sep 25,

2008 at 14:15:13 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I think it was really great,

(4.00 / 2)
seeing that great big overripe fruit
just drop.
it was well-played by all.
by: condo @ Thu Sep 25, 2008 at

16:51:28 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
OK, I think it's safe to say that Randi (4.00 / 2)

had a house dropped on her by admin. Ding dong the wretch is dead!
I disagree and wouldn't celebrate yet. (4.00 / 2)

If nothing else Randy is temperamental, no? At some point yesterday
she realized that she had been sanctioned. How would you expect her
to react?
She wrote to k9k, dave, Pager and her other enablers and they all told
her to back the fuck off. And for once she listened. My assumption
until proven otherwise is that Randy had her rating ability yanked and
nothing more.

[ Parent ]
No recs either today. (4.00 / 2)

It isn't certain, but she really dissed Barb and Barb doesn't
take shit from anybody.

[ Parent ]
And Barb let her have it right in the thread.

(4.00 / 1)
I just don't see how they could justify nuking Randy
for yesterday unless she had a history. Admins
know as well as I do that they have to be careful
with her. They would not nuke her unless they had
something solid to hang their hats on and yesterday
wasn't it. Barb threatened her with the loss of her
rating ability and I won't assume that more was
taken away until I see something substantial. Don't
wanna celebrate too early.

[ Parent ]



by: ugog
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Tags)
k9k works very hard (4.00 / 2)

at being an asshole
Hey condo... (4.00 / 2)

Methinks you posted the wrong link in your comment here:
Perhaps you intended this one:

I would be inclined to ignore him whenever possible. (4.00 / 2)

He seems to thrive on attention, even negative attention. And you never know what is gonna set him
off.

[ Parent ]
me too, but (4.00 / 2)

the fact that he resumed this behavior immediately after the dustup yesterday tells me he's
over the edge, and that he could be caused to finish the job by being faced with the recent
evidence of admin actions.
as long as we stay on the high side, it's appropriate to push back when he tries to continue
actions he was specifically told were not ok, imo.


[ Parent ]
At this point... (4.00 / 2)

you are legitimizing him simply by talking with him. dave, Randy, k9k, and raboof
have been discredited. Their approach was completely undermined by the obvious
and indisputable statement made by admins with their words and actions. I
wouldn't publicly declare victory or celebrate but it is appropriate to act as if that
victory is now an established fact. dave, Randy etc. forced admins to make a
choice and they did. Lock that choice in.
None of them is speaking to us from the same platform anymore. What I meant by
welcoming dave to tony territory was that I was soooooooo tempted to respond to
him with some variation of, "Here's a contribution from the 'no longer able to rate
comments' crowd. Unnerstand--the issue has been decided. k9k is just nipping at
your heels now. Let him do that and we should only respond when a clear shot is
available.
as long as we stay on the high side, it's appropriate to push back

when he tries to continue actions he was specifically told were
not ok, imo.
Yes, exactly. But when responding don't forget that we've already won the point.

[ Parent ]
Agree, k9k really wants attention and ignoring him (4.00 / 2)

is definitely the best way to go. He's headed for a meltdown and it would be wise to not be
anywhere near him when it happens.

[ Parent ]
yep (4.00 / 2)
added, in two places.

[ Parent ]
sweet, sweet pager (4.00 / 2)

but then she apologized, so all's ok.
I was tempted to uprate her there but chose to sit on my hands. (4.00 / 2)
Not sure if I've told this story here so...

One of my colleagues in the DU mod room was NewYawker99, the resident cruise director. She had
this habit of showing up ten hours after some action had been taken only to question my judgment.
One fine day she found herself in trouble and I chose to sit on my own hands. As I wrote to a mod
colleague at the time, "She's right, of course, but who cares."
Gonna see Judy Collins this eve.

[ Parent ]
Hell, I was tempted to hydrate her (4.00 / 2)

but sat on my hands because it would be stupid and counterproductive. I wanted to, though.

[ Parent ]
Randi Listener (4.00 / 2)

is extraordinarily vulgar. A reading of its comment history smells bad to me.
That unit is a troll. (4.00 / 2)

Not sure what variety yet but definitely a piece of work.

[ Parent ]
That one's definately a troll (4.00 / 2)

and maybe a zombie trying out a new tactic. Or even a right winger playing cointelpro. I've already
hydrated her, but she needs to have a few comments hidden to make more TUs aware of her.

[ Parent ]
seattleshawn is another pottymouth that needs watching (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/s... Is this a new trend?

[ Parent ]
dave threatens bottles (4.00 / 2)

I think.
the jig's up now (4.00 / 2)

oh noes; gbcw!!!

[ Parent ]
bookmark (4.00 / 2)
this

[ Parent ]
Be nice to see him keep his word (4.00 / 2)

but don't hold your breath. otoh, maybe since he lost ratings, and is saying he's
going, he might just try to take a couple of nemeses with him?

[ Parent ]
He doesn't even see the irony. (4.00 / 2)

First he writes to admins asking them to nuke me for outing bottles. Then he writes to
admins asking them to nuke bottles for being a zombie/sockpuppet. Next he's gonna
complain that you don't appreciate all he does for ya.

[ Parent ]
Yup. He's telling teacher too! (4.00 / 2)

and going for the ban. I really hate WATBs that run to admin all the time, and I suspect they feel the
same. I don't think this is going to turn out well for DFQ, but again, the smart thing is to ignore him.
When he comments to you, go ahead and make one reply but don't engage. I think admin is getting
sick and tired of all this shit and may ban anyone in the vicinity just for the aggravation factor.
Seriously, keep it to a bare minimum with him.

[ Parent ]
Interesting, user #177372 is smalldavefromqueens (4.00 / 2)

I was getting ready to check out dfq's latest comments when I ran across this:
fascinating (4.00 / 2)
noted.

[ Parent ]
That may be a decent thing to ask dave about (4.00 / 2)

the next time he opens his hole.

[ Parent ]

Maybe I should do it? (4.00 / 2)

And it should be in a comment along the lines of the ones posted above, not out of the blue,
for maximum effect.

[ Parent ]
I would think that he'd kinda have to take a position. (4.00 / 2)

Either this is his sockpuppet--in which case he's got some 'splaining to do--or this is
someone else mocking him, to which I expect him to object. Either way we would
learn something about bigdave based on how he responds. That is if he chooses to
respond at all. He might finally decide to STFU when asked about this.

[ Parent ]
"btw Dave, I just noticed a user plagiarizing your name (4.00 / 1)

thought you should know. Ya think admin should be notified?",
hyperlinked, naturally.

[ Parent ]
Yup. (4.00 / 2)
No need to make it sound accusatory. Far as you know you are
giving him a heads up about someone who is mocking him. He
should be appreciative.

[ Parent ]
Appreciative my ass, but at least he should try

(4.00 / 2)
to sound that way. He ruffles pretty easily; you think he
could pull it off OK?
by: trashablanca @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 23:04:00 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
In a word... (4.00 / 2)
NO.
dave just can't help posturing. If he's smart

he'll choose not to respond. There is no way he
can respond without giving something up.
by: ugog @ Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 23:56:41 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]

Well, he posted a diary and I

popped the question (4.00 / 2)
got popcorn?
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep 27, 2008

at 00:14:42 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
I'm tempted to pop in

there and quote his (4.00 /
2)
threat to leave and not
publish another diary unless
his ratings ability were
restored by the end of the
day yesterday. What's that
word again, starts with an "L"?
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 27, 2008

at 00:55:33 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Might look better (4.00 / 2)

if you didn't rec me in DFQ'a
diary; up to you . . .
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep

27, 2008 at 00:59:12 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
My thoughts... (4.00 / 1)
We aren't doing anything
wrong. What is the kos other
than an attempt by liberal
Dems to organize a bit. Well,
the UGoG are a bit better
organized than several others
although not nearly as much
as some. I don't see that as
something evil or shameful. I
can't keep a straight face
while pretending to be
objective and impartial about
you, condo, tec, dada, etc.
and nobody would believe me
if I did. Frankly I find the
association helpful. I want
folks to know that you've got
backup whenever you want it.
I mean, who are we foolin'
here. YMMV however.

Just got back a couple of

hours ago and am watching
the tape of the debate. Who
the fuck chose that tie for
McCain--he looks like a circus
clown. Even before he
started speaking.

at 01:07:29 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Frickin' tie was vibrating

(4.00 / 2)
wtf were his handlers
thinking? Old man with shitty
taste sells serious?
As I said, your choice, I just

like sly, dry, understated and
abbreviated. I love pithiness
so much that I strive to pith
people off.

27, 2008 at 01:19:28 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
Generally I agree. (4.00 /

2)
I just like
sly, dry,
understated
and
abbreviated.
But we are being watched

now. Not just by the pffters,
Randy, k9k and dave but by
site admins as well. This isn't
a bad time for a little public
show of strength. We tend to
shy away from that most
times but every now and then
it's appropriate. It's not like I
wouldn't have Rec'd your
comment if I'd seen it
anyway. Are people gonna
assume that you gave me a
heads up or will they assume
that I came across your

comments while stalking
dave? Besides, it gives me
an opportunity to show up in
a dave thread, do something
non controversial and leave.
Should dave choose to
respond to you I may just
join in but for now I'm cool
with what I did there. Of
course if you want me to pick
the Recs up I will.

at 01:40:33 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Nope. Your choice. (4.00 /

2)
One thing I learned a long
time ago is to never try to
dictate to other people my
responses. I stupidly tried at
first to my detriment.

27, 2008 at 02:11:48 AM
CDT
[ Parent ]
mojo whore: (4.00 / 2)

bottles
And this is new how, exactly? (4.00 / 2)

oh, I get it. You've gone wholesale ;=}

[ Parent ]
oh, I just had (4.00 / 2)

two in the top six, just tonight.
same pic, too!

[ Parent ]
WTF? I accidentally double posted (4.00 / 2)

the reply above and hit delete on the second one, only to see it multiply willy nilly. Ain't hitting delete again
without advice.
Not a problem. (4.00 / 2)

I managed to clean things up.

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Not sure what this dude's deal is but he's definitely got an agenda:
by: ugog @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 02:24:57 AM CDT
Smell test:: FAIL (4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:42:38 AM CDT
I'm proud of my new (4.00 / 2)

sig line
bad HR (4.00 / 2)
here
furiousxxgeorge (4.00 / 2)

ratings page

[ Parent ]
george replies (4.00 / 2)

here

[ Parent ]
check out this (4.00 / 1)

asshole now, a day later.

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early post (4.00 / 2)

goin' out tanight? look out for enraged crossing-guards...
I thought it was an appropriate occasion to post (4.00 / 2)

the video of Paul Newman in his most famous role,
"davefromqueens".
Do you have any idea whether Randy was nuked or just had her
rating ability yanked?

[ Parent ]
only thyme will tell (4.00 / 2)

sure as shit looks that way, as she's no shrinking violet,
hiding her light under a (biggish) bushel...

[ Parent ]
I would have expected her to make a loud

noise (4.00 / 2)

asserting her continued presence if she were still

here. Don't wanna read too much but I sense
from dave that part of his defeat is that he
knows it cost Randy her membership.
We could prolly look it up. At some point in that

contentious thread 'anathema' mentioned to
dave that his rating ability had been yanked.
One could also check the time of his last
comment rating. How close to that was Randy's
last comment? I assume that admins went in
and did whatever they did to both of them at the
same time so if dave stops rating and Randy
stops commenting at approx the same time we
may have a shiddach. Let's see:
dave's last rating: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at

11:45:06 AM EDT
anathema tells dave about his rating abiliity:

Wed Sep 24, 2008 at 03:24:28 PM EDT
Randy's last comment: Wed Sep 24, 2008 at

05:17:31 PM EDT
That doesn't add up. Randy commented after

dave's rating ability had been yanked. I would
think that if she were nuked it would have
happened when dave got his.
Thoughts?
by: ugog @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:21:14 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
See below, according to K9, she's

toast. (4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Sun Sep 28, 2008

at 17:49:20 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
kingsbridge77 (4.00 / 2)
Number5 (4.00 / 2)
uprates kingsbridge. I TRed him for practice.
by: ugog @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 00:57:11 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
raboof uprates kb77 too (4.00 / 2)

no shocker there, but LynneK?
by: trashablanca @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 16:10:52 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
bottles gets edgy (4.00 / 2)

here

According to K9, randi was banned (4.00 / 2)

and has no idea why, insufferable assholery, maybe?
by: trashablanca @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 16:07:28 PM CDT
email or comment? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Email (4.00 / 2)
check yours.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 17:16:58 PM

CDT
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I'll go first: (4.00 / 2)

sweet Bangles clip.

bad karma (4.00 / 2)

on the kippur
I'm hardly watching videos (4.00 / 2)

WTF is up with firefox? I gotta double click the link, grab the url,
paste it on IE and delete the 2 running firefox tabs that won't play
it.

[ Parent ]
same here (4.00 / 2)

sux

[ Parent ]
Hey, folks... (4.00 / 1)

methinks we're being scammed here:
Can I get a witness?
It does seem off - snickers was a recent off critter (4.00 / 1)

iirc, without the 77. Prolly conflating, but it rung a bell.
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Randi Listener (4.00 / 2)

figured out the schtick: dunno why, but they're on the site pretty much solely to
smear Randi Rhodes. There's their nic, their bio features a link to Randi's website
- and they post comments primarily to include gratuitous swear words. JUST
LIKE Randi's reference to Hillary that got her fired from Air America...
by: condo @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 09:30:30 AM CDT
Every comment a fucking this or fucking that (4.00 / 2)

People keep uprating this tool. I've made several comments and
dropped donuts on her, but it's not filtering in to TUs afaic.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 11:35:10 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
dave again (4.00 / 2)

I commented, and alerted BarbinMD and MissLaura.
Doncha know, dfq is always right (4.00 / 2)

and if you disagree you have a vendetta against him and are prolly a
stooge for Hannity. Sheesh.

[ Parent ]
btw, my work 'puter downloaded a firefox update (4.00 / 2)

and i'm playing an embedded youtube right now. You?
mine was up-to-date (4.00 / 2)

and still doesn't work.

[ Parent ]
hey, now at home (4.00 / 1)

on my notebook, which yesterday wasn't playing anything on ff or IE...
today, installed the ff update, and now youtubes runnin on ff!
yay.
by: condo @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 19:56:23 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
new nic (4.00 / 2)

bottles is condoleaser #187911
all admins notified.
hey, trashy... (4.00 / 2)

if you feel like it, perhaps a note from you, also, to some admins might
help that ve noticed/acted upon before they've a chance to use it...

[ Parent ]
Will do, but darn. (4.00 / 2)

I just finished a personal email to Barb, which I attached my
impression of Randi Listener along with link to comments and
another to hiddens. I will mention if she replies, but in the
meantime, I'll notify Scout Finch.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 12:15:17 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Nevermind, it's nuked already. (4.00 / 2)

So what's up with the the C&J username doppelganger trolls?
And why don't they fuck with me? I'm hurt, I tells ya.
Shattered really.

[ Parent ]
very lovely. (4.00 / 2)

thanks.
now - does anyone have any links to the tale of the

end of PFF? PaintyKat said BarbinMD hadn't heard,
was interested...

[ Parent ]
Depends on what you're looking for.

(4.00 / 2)
AFAIK everything at the old pffter site was
taken down.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 12:27:10

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yabut (4.00 / 2)
a discussion of it, elsewhere...?
by: condo @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at

12:41:27 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
PFF on FSZ (4.00 / 2)

http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com
peeder didn't like any of us (5.00 /

5)
this is perhaps what I was wailing on
more than anything else. In fact, he
proved my point. He didn't give a
shit about any of us. So how could
he give a shit about our free speech,
other than some petulant way to be
in your face with Kos, and MSOC,
and Marisacat or whoever she is.
The whole year was about petulant
revenge.
FleshFeast was a movie about

revenge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
Flesh Feast (released in 1970,

though shot in 1967) is an American
horror film that features Veronica
Lake in her final screen
performance. Lake plays Dr. Elaine
Frederick, a mad scientist working
on developing maggots that prefer
human flesh, while her services are
used to make a clone of Adolf Hitler.
She cooperates with the plan to

resurrect Hitler as a way of exacting
revenge for the death of her
parents, political prisoners executed
in a concentration camp. While
convincing everyone the flesh-eating
maggots are for regeneration
research, she simply wants to throw
them in the resurrected Hitler's face,
which she does.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 01,

2008 at 12:59:52 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Good catch. (4.00 / 2)

It never occurred to me
that pff was based on
anything.
FleshFeast
was a
movie
about
revenge.
And I agree, pff was all

about revenge for peeder.

Until the piranas started

nipping at his heels. Then
he wimped out.
The
whole
year was
about
petulant
revenge.
Yup, exactly. As I've said a

couple of times, if dkos
ceased to exist pff would
have had no reason to
continue. About the only
thing the pffters have in
common is getting nuked
out of the kos.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01,

2008 at 13:32:25 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Greg the cometman again? (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 12:05:01 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
who knows? (4.00 / 2)

I imagine whomever it is knows enough to mask their IP...
I'm thinking not, as greg has always been the one who decried
such tactics.

[ Parent ]
Decried? (4.00 / 2)
I don't think so. Actually he has praised previous UNs
which were designed to take a shot at you. Came
right up to the point of claiming credit for them. I
think this is/was him. Any guess who is filling the
"MajorFlaud" role?

[ Parent ]
in which they discuss (4.00 / 2)

they prollems
here's where it (4.00 / 2)

goes bad.

[ Parent ]
That is always there, just under the surface. (4.00 / 2)

They think they've got something on you and they use it
whenever they can.
Over twenty two and a half years of practicing law I've had
exactly two complaints filed against me. Both were silly and
were dismissed pretty quickly but I have no doubt that if the

pffters got their hands on it they would rub my nose in it

forever. And there's no point in discussing things with them,
the fact that they would bring stuff like this up to discredit any
of us is a clear indication that they are beyond talking to or
with. First of all it's nothing but an adhom. Even if you were
guilty as charged what does that have to do with your opinions
about site moderation? I don't feel that there's anything to
defend here as condo was never discredited in my eyes.

[ Parent ]
right, which is why (4.00 / 2)

I made the decision to stand as bottles, and to let
them whack away with that.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, you can't run from bullies (4.00 / 2)

but if you charge toward them, they wet
themselves or worse.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at

12:54:08 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I disremember when all of this first came

down (4.00 / 2)
as I wasn't copied on that memo. But if I
knew then what I know now and had been
involved I prolly would have wanted you to
stand and fight as condo. As aforesaid,
condo was never discredited with me. You
can choose the anonymous route but
disguising yourself takes most of the fun out
of it--for you and others.
Just a stray thought: Could it be that what

really got k9k pissed was finding that you had
a UN he wasn't aware of, that you felt the
need to protect yourself from him?
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 12:57:57

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
nah - he could (4.00 / 2)

prolly, I think, understand that.
he's pissed bcoz he thinks you've

hoodwinked me, and that you outed
me.

13:26:51 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
What a buncha self-absorbed circle-jerking douchebags. (4.00 /

2)
If merde = purity
then they are as pure as the driven blow.

[ Parent ]
Pager and vox humana conspire re Diary Police (4.00 / 2)

and mango's gone over to the other side. Oh noes!

mango is an asshole (4.00 / 2)

no surprise she'd show up there.

[ Parent ]
Really? She always amused me (4.00 / 2)

and I liked her living in Mexico's stories. Why do you say so?
She and I haven't had any contact for a while, and I suspect
it's connected with your assertion.

[ Parent ]
not enough energy to look (4.00 / 1)

but it was comments and/or recs, a while back - got
an insight into who she was, and that was it.
I, also, used to enjoy interacting with her on C&J.

[ Parent ]
I remember her uprating one of our

favorite trolls (4.00 / 2)
a couple months back, shit it was Rangrithr,
iirc. Hmmm.

13:43:49 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
remembering jello (4.00 / 1)

some bad HRs
Methinks s/he is defending an imaginary diary hijack (4.00 / 2)

since s/he hydrated Randi's comment. I took the opportunity to hydrate
it as well, wtf.

[ Parent ]
WTF is that about? (4.00 / 2)

I uprated without comment but if I see that again I won't be silent.
I've got the MLB/TBS feed playing in Quicktime. I'm one happy camper
at the moment. Worth checking out if you're a fan:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/hotcorn...

[ Parent ]
other one's (4.00 / 2)

here

[ Parent ]

this comment (4.00 / 2)

shows up as having 3 responses on my comments page, but I only see two.
is it a site gitsch, or am I missing something?
WTF? (4.00 / 2)
1. I only see two responses.
2. For some reason my TU went off when I went to look at that
comment. I suppose there may be a hidden comment in response but I
can't see it at the moment. Not sure why I lost TU either.

[ Parent ]
whoa. (4.00 / 2)
can you rate?

[ Parent ]
Yes, but I've got the one square box for Recs
(4.00 / 2)
not the two round ones. This happened earlier today
as well--which I attributed to not much posting activity
over the past 24 hours. In no way do I think that
someone at the site is punishing me for anything. Just
needs to whore me some mojo and I assume I'll be
golden again.

[ Parent ]
not a 24 hour time frame (4.00 / 2)

It's @ 2 weeks.

14:44:34 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
You'd know better than me.

(4.00 / 2)
I've found that the ratings system
trails reality by a few. The day I
earned my 109 d0nuts I watched as
my TU went on and off again as
folks weighed in with their d0nuts
and Recs. I don't post the type of
comments that garner big mojo thus
when I'm quiet for a bit my TU goes
off. I'd imagine that it will be on
soon just based on mojo from today.
No reason to think this is anything
out of the ordinary.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at

14:55:10 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
... And it's back on

already. (4.00 / 2)

2008 at 15:01:25 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Nope, there's 3 comments there (4.00 / 2)

Revelwoody is the 3rd.


[ Parent ]
nope (4.00 / 2)
there are two comments which respond to mine, not 3.
Revelwoodie has two in there, but only one's a respondse to
that comment. as far as I can see.

[ Parent ]
third comment is Randi's (4.00 / 1)

a hidden: Stalk much? (0+ / 3-)
Hidden by:
Dems2004, trashablanca, Remembering Jello
by Randi Listener on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 11:07:14

AM PDT
hidden link: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 15:01:26 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
That's weird. (4.00 / 1)

remembering jello TRed both you and Randi
listener. Wish people would make up their
minds.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 15:07:37

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Jello TR'd bottles, not me. (4.00 /

2)

2008 at 15:19:22 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Randi lLstener has been banned (4.00 / 1)

Ah, but what a charmer she was ;=}
what you talkin about? (4.00 / 2)

it doesn't look that way to me - unless you saw her banned - she's been
reinstated. MB weighed in here.
pager intimates here about what I had as blogrolls - the dope on greg -
imo.
I removed that a week or so ago.

[ Parent ]
left out a link (4.00 / 1)

MB weighed in here.


[ Parent ]
No she was banned (4.00 / 2)

and reinstated, I guess. Bulldawg saw it too.

CDT
[ Parent ]
I doubled down on one of your d0nuts.

(4.00 / 1)
Dunno if it will accomplish anything but
another one of its comments is now hidden.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 19:35:51

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Bwaa haa haa! Rubbed pager's nose in it. (4.00 / 2)

oh, I really shouldn't (4.00 / 2)

do this
I disagree somewhat. (4.00 / 2)

As long as you keep in mind that he has nothing to lose but you do you'll
be fine. You aren't doing anything which will get you in trouble and you
are giving him the opportunity to flame out. My guess is that he takes
it, whether today or eventually. dave is looking for an excuse to go out
on what he sees as a high note. You/we have the power and he does
not. Just remember that.
Think I'm gonna jump in there myself.

[ Parent ]

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Randi's back at being her foul, skanky self (4.00 / 2)

I'll happily trade you a donut today for a troll to be named later.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 12:31:37 PM CDT

I notified (4.00 / 2)
Meteor Blades as soon as I saw that, earlier.
by: condo @ Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 13:23:55 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Ah, so that's why he made the comment yesterday (4.00 / 2)

I was kinda surprised he showed up. Here's my thank you:
Carlos Vamos plays "Little Wing" acoustic tapping version

[ Parent ]
well, not exactly -- (4.00 / 2)

yesterday, I notified all admins about Randi.
Meteor was the one who showed up. that's why I chose to contact
him/er today.


[ Parent ]
outstanding vid, thx!! (4.00 / 2)

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I've had about enough of him following me around:
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:37:49 AM CDT
don't let him (4.00 / 2)

wear you down:
by: condo @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:31:19 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
No chance of that happening. (4.00 / 2)

I'm tempted to respond to his comment with:
Some "friends" embarrass themselves.


[ Parent ]
ignore, (4.00 / 2)
is what I'm tryin'. I seriously have to sit on my hands to
not call him on spamming that same video everywhere -
a vid I never even watched, btw...

[ Parent ]
I just watched it for the first time. (4.00 / 2)

It's DEVO. Is he trying to tell us something
about bobdevo, an old antagonist of mine?
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:47:51 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
no fuckin idea (4.00 / 2)

but it's not just about you, I don't think
- he's tossed it around a lot. such as in
that diary at FSZ, where they pilloried
him for his insane rant that was
deleted.
by: condo @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at

09:00:58 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Ah well, no loss. (4.00 / 2)

That thread gave me an
opportunity to take some
additional shots at bigdave:
http://www.dailykos.com/
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by: ugog @ Fri Oct 03, 2008

at 09:17:13 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
big and floppy... (4.00 / 2)
banned user (4.00 / 2)

alert...
uh-oh... (4.00 / 2)
I'm in for it, now...
According to bigdave you've been stalking me: (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]

you should thank him (4.00 / 2)

for the heads-up, tell him you're alerting the admins.

[ Parent ]
I'm tempted to suggest to him that (4.00 / 2)

bottles must appreciate my style the same way that
raboof, k9k and Randy (while she was still there)
appreciate his. Don't really feel the need to say anything
else to him there.
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 12:09:13 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
bookmark this (4.00 / 2)

dave claiming he'll leave judgement to others
by: condo @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 18:28:15 PM CDT
I guess there's no way to save me (4.00 / 2)

from HC...
upstream from here...
I was unhided (4.00 / 2)

here's a screenshot of the diary that caused the brew ha ha

[ Parent ]
I have my own stalker TU troll now (4.00 / 2)

Sooner has hydrated me 3 or 4 times today and hasn't the stones
to post a comment to me, the nutless wonder.
by: trashablanca @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 22:38:58 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
keep a list (4.00 / 2)

of links to them handy.


[ Parent ]
Easier to click my comments (4.00 / 2)

+ view hiddens + sort by TR's.
by: trashablanca @ Fri Oct 03, 2008 at

22:55:56 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I just found another site quirck. (4.00 / 1)

Somebody that's hydrated in a diary and it gets deleted by diarist, the HR'd
comments don't show up in not ntroll=0.
If a FPer deletes it, they do show up.



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this here's some (4.00 / 2)

richly funny shit
by: condo @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 08:13:32 AM CDT
Who was he again? (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 08:28:57 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
same name (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
MajorFlaud'd diary (4.00 / 2)

is funny, today, when you consider this.
It's usually funny although it's frequently a parody of itself.

(4.00 / 2)

I'm leaning in the direction of that being Greg the cometman's

work. Slight chance that davefromqueens is involved as well.

[ Parent ]
agreed: greg (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
bottles: (4.00 / 2)
mo-jo-ho.
WTF is K9K babbling about? (4.00 / 2)

Is he mourning the banning of the Sarah & Bristol trolls?
by: trashablanca @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:26:28 PM CDT
Methinks he just throws shit out there in the hope (4.00 / 2)

that something will stick. Looking for coherence from kestrel9000
is a fool's errand.
by: ugog @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 15:20:02 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
what's the HC say? (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 15:46:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Sorry, condo, from the top of the thread: (4.00 / 2)

u can't be serious (0+ / 3-)
Hidden by:
kefauver, smash artist, drache
God does great things for those who have faith in Him and His works .. he
brings u children and life and happyness ... i think u just never knew God's
loving carresses ... JMHO
by Bristol Palin on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:33:39 PM PDT
[ Reply to This | RecommendHide ]
*
i'm pretty sure (0+ / 0-)
i already demanded that you get a brain.
by DemGator1950 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:34:34 PM PDT
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o
and i told u (0+ / 3-)
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that was very offenseive to me .. if u knew my brother u would

understand why that is hurtful and offensive ... u will probly burn in Hell for

this

+
does your brother (0+ / 1-)
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have some rational argument in support of this nonsense or

something??
by DemGator1950 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:37:41 PM PDT

#
rational arguement for God? lol (0+ / 3-)
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that is the hole point, and u will spend eternity in Hell

lerning it ... lol

*
You need to drop that userid quick (11+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
Ahianne, historys mysteries, trashablanca,
kestrel9000, leonard145b, LynneK, CC Music Factory, kyril, virginwoolf,
Rick in Oz, Luthien Tinuviel
But I suspect you're a troll, so you probably won't.
"We're half awake in a fake empire."
by Alec82 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:41:50 PM PDT

*
Where did you Learn to Spell? (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
historys mysteries, trashablanca, kestrel9000,
leonard145b, LynneK, kyril
"Home-school phonics worked for me!"
Owning a home is a success. Owning seven homes is

excess.
by kefauver on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:55:43 PM PDT

o
* [new] Unfortunately, it's all that text messaging
(4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
kefauver, trashablanca, leonard145b, LynneK

I'm afraid there are lots of youngsters out there

who use text language and think that's how things "r" really spelled.
English teachers in this country must be going through hell!
"In a time of universal deceit -- telling the truth is

a revolutionary act."
by MA Liberal on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:43:22 AM

PDT

*
Bristol! (0+ / 3-)
Hidden by:
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Go to bed! And stay off this website! It's 150% in the

tank for Obama.
by Sarah Palin on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:44:51 PM PDT

o
What kind of morally bereft person (21+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
Dems2004, Ahianne, housesella, MA Liberal, yet
another liberal, kefauver, MajorFlaw, Ekaterin, kestrel9000, donnamarie,
leonard145b, LynneK, CC Music Factory, kyril, satanicpanic, smash artist,
beijingbetty, virginwoolf, Lauren S, Alec82, bottles
hates their own pitiful life so much they steal a real

[lame] person's name to troll the internets? Pathetic.
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy

making other plans." John Lennon
by trashablanca on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:47:18

PM PDT
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+
* [new] I know, I know...... (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
MA Liberal, historys mysteries, leonard145b,
craiger, LynneK, csquared
but....lmao.
Sure, trollrate the shit out of it, absolutely,
but, one TU to another....
lmao.
Yes, I know it's gauche, but still.....
lmao.
John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag

who is unfit to be President. Of ANYTHING.
by kestrel9000 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at

05:51:42 AM PDT
thanky. (4.00 / 2)
k9k is a maroon.


[ Parent ]
My little junior stalker still wants to play (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/s...
The coward won't address me directly or even respond to my taunts, so I'm

utterly ignoring this little yapper except to give him a taste of his own
poison whenever appropriate.
Is there anyone else at the kos (4.00 / 2)

who has dropped three d0nuts in total on you? I'm guessing that
you might be getting targeted due to your perceived association
with undesirables like me and condo.
by: ugog @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 22:02:17 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Dunno, but I don't think so (4.00 / 2)

This one is on its own. S/he has nailed MA Voter quite a
bit frequently and even hydrated browneyes for uprating
me, I think. The tale's in the ratings ;=}
by: trashablanca @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 22:09:01 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Does that unit have a distinct POV other

than whom (4.00 / 2)
it drops d0nuts on? I've always assumed that
tony the American mute was gonna return
someday.
by: ugog @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 22:29:17 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
very low UID (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Sat Oct 04, 2008 at

22:38:49 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
how come MF (0.00 / 0)

isn't on this list?
I wonder what specific attributes made me #1 - any ideas...?
by: condo @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:31:11 AM CDT
I've a feeling (4.00 / 1)

that this user is k9k



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query on the top two (4.00 / 2)

is it the same 289 people...?
by: condo @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 08:08:03 AM CDT
Nothing like a mojo whore proud of its work! (4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 15:26:12 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
kestrel9000, One Pissed Off Liberal, Pete Rock (4.00 / 2)

Have chosen to TR me for this response to Asher Heimerman:
by: ugog @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:06:15 AM CDT
Can you get someone else to uprate you as well? (4.00 / 1)

I'll be happy to, but let's do it this evening, OK? So surprised to see raboof
the minion on the hyde side.

Still thinking like a grandmaster, I see. (4.00 / 2)
let's do it this evening, OK?
Of course. Let it go out of sight, out of mind and close to the

window closing before saving the comment. As long as it's
unhidden it doesn't really matter when it happens. Perhaps condo
and tec can join.
So surprised to see raboof the minion on the

hyde side.
raboof has been a supporter of dave for awhile. He even dropped

a few really bad d0nuts on me in that thread what got Randy
nuked and dave neutered. Methinks the excitement dave caused
got raboof and kestrel9000's abuse overlooked. Without taking
the time to count I'd expect that the top four d0nut droppers on
me have been Randy, dave, kes and raboof. I've never
considered him anything like a friend.
by: ugog @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 16:13:19 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Dude, when you're up against a gang (4.00 / 2)

you gotta outplay them. You lost Pandora's box, this
afternoon. I think it's a mistake to keep engaging in that
kid's diary. Neutral parties will look at it as a hijack.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 20:12:19 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
You're probably right about that. (4.00 / 2)

It appears that i "lost" PB because he/she
bought into Pager's unsourced statement that
she had seen me out three users. I posted one
comment which raised two legitimate questions
and approx a hundred and fifty comments by
the usual suspects were posted in opposition.
Besides, and I chose not to go after him in that
thread, Asher is a little twerp who is trading on
the cuteness factor. He has an unrealistic view
of what he can do:
Threads like today's are a pretty good way of

taking attendance.
you gotta outplay them.
What should I have done? I avoided personal

attacks and obscenity. Didn't let them drag me
into attacking the diarist. Didn't drop any bad
d0nuts. It appears the only thing I could have
done was walk away. Perhaps I should have.
There's a lotta ratings abuse in that thread and
none of it is mine.
by: ugog @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 20:24:31 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]

Yeah, the kid's a twerp all right

(4.00 / 2)
The ego thing to make his goal is
adolescent, which he is. I used to rec
Ava Lou's diaries [ a kid too] and I
really liked Righteous Babe, but for the
most part I can't stand teens and avoid
them. The get the sympathy votes
from people, not from me.
I got my bootleg satellite back up and

am going to watch Dexter and First
Blood, whoo hoo. My sis's still isn't
working.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Oct 05, 2008

at 21:57:26 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Avila (4.00 / 2)
from that same thread;
Avila is a really level headed TU, imo (4.00 / 2)

You really shouldn't have called her dishonest, imo. Looking at
the diary now, it's all gone into a meta fight. I would have quit
hours ago. Now you have 2 uprates and eleven hides; losing
ground as you keep on. Sorry, man, but I think you really made a
tactical error in continuing to engage.
My satellite internets controls my TV, and my TV isn't working, so

I gotta shut everything down and get some technical assistance
[and dinner]. Be back in an hour.
I think you lost this one, MF and I'm sorry, but damn, you gotta
know when to fold 'em.

[ Parent ]
Well... (4.00 / 1)
I think you lost this one, MF
I'm certainly not declaring victory. The numbers were

again me. Avila has dropped bad d0nuts on me before.
It was unexpected and came with some menacing
sounding noises. Some folks will take any opportunity to
pile on and she has been one of them. That's what the
'dishonest' part was about.
I think you really made a tactical error

in continuing to engage.
You're probably right again. But where was the proper

moment to withdraw? They didn't start out as a gang,
just kestrel900, Lady kestrel and dave and I can handle
them. Then k9k got his mailing list going and the rest is
history. Much of which I contributed to and threw
gasoline on. On the positive side, tomorrow's edition of

Today in MajorFlaud should be entertaining.

[ Parent ]



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I can't help but notice (4.00 / 2)

that when I go into admin -> manage users, that ugog, trash and myself no longer appear...
by: condo @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 14:23:03 PM CDT
My point about bdq illustrated (4.00 / 2)

I am so glad I did not engage with him, because all he wanted to do was rehash yesterday's crap. He
did anyway and good ole level-headed matt took down his weak assed arguments. Please listen when
I say there is absolutely no point discussing anything with him, ever. period.
Pretty frigging funny that he gave me a lecture on uprating. It would have been easy to taunt him
about his loss of ratings ability, but then I would have had to roll in the muck with him.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 15:26:23 PM CDT
that's hidden (4.00 / 2)

I was in there recently, uprating matt, though.
I'm enjoying my quiet uprating, no comments. it really burns dave, too.

[ Parent ]
re: sooner (4.00 / 2)

I just found more amazing d0nuts, uprated you, and notified everyone except BinMD and Scout.
reply from devilstower (4.00 / 2)
It looks to me as if at least two of those zeroed messages contained

threats to expose someone's name and/or address.
to which I replied:
??? I saw one where trash mentioned he might write AC a letter, but none
threatening any "outing." links?
what I see are a long string of wholly unsupportable d0nuts, as though

ratings were being used for some kind of a grudge...
...eh?

[ Parent ]
he replies (4.00 / 2)
Comments like this:

"Cracks me up that I have her addy now, but I won't act on it at

all,
unless she really needs a letter to disabuse her of her perfidy."
me:
Mark, that's a comment where trashy says he might write to AC.

Are you saying that rates a d0nut? what about the others? this is
acceptable?

[ Parent ]
next exchange (4.00 / 2)
I'm just saying I don't know the context. When I see any
message where someone seems to be threatening use of
personal information, it makes me leery. It's never okay
to chase someone around handing out zeroes, but until I
chase this conversation back to its start, I can't tell
what's going on here.
fair enough - and I'm grateful that this has your

attention.
all I ask is that you scroll down and observe sooner's

zeroes laid on trash. they cross days, diaries - the only
pattern is they're all unjustified, and being done out of
some spite or grudge, I guess - I know not - and with
seeming impunity.
I think trashy is a solid contributor and community

member, and this is loudly wrong, imho.

[ Parent ]
a result: (4.00 / 2)
Sooner's ability to rate comments has been

removed for now.

[bows]
PayPal's ok.

[ Parent ]
Outstanding work. (4.00 / 1)

This imho is what the UGoG is for.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 06:02:20 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
How is writing a letter "outing"? (4.00 / 2)

Especially one that has a .oo1% chance of getting written. I looked at
sooner's ratings page and 10 of his 30 ratings are hydrates of me. The
others are uprating someone I disagreed with or hydrating someone who
agreed with me. WTF?

[ Parent ]
relax! (4.00 / 2)
let's have some red and a spliffy!

[ Parent ]
here's one last note (4.00 / 2)

I sent:
hey - in fact, this comment you referenced,
was about trash HIDING a comment that

contained an address for AC - as opposed to
"threatening to reveal personal info."

[ Parent ]
You know what's really really sad? (4.00 / 2)

I canna drink more than a glass fo red wine these days

without suffering from a grotesque medical condition

[this really grossed out vigilant meerkat, ellicat and
DoBD at NN], the condition I refer to as "mudbutt".
otoh spliffies are just spiffy.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 16:23:43 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
sooner is later, adios! (4.00 / 2)

So, prolly got ratings yanked, I suppose (4.00 / 2)

I forget that option when I see no gift sub. I'm just an excitable goy.

[ Parent ]
allen sherman does warren zevon! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Hello mudduh? (4.00 / 1)


[ Parent ]
the subject of his most recent comment (4.00 / 2)

is great: "unintended consequences"

[ Parent ]
the dave thing: (4.00 / 2)

whether they planned it this way or it was just happenstance, the oppo now has this narrative going:
MF outed bottles. so they, increasingly, all go with that as the justification for piling up on you, which
promulgates my ID...argh.
One of these days you might be inclined... (4.00 / 1)

in the right situation, of course, to point out publicly that you don't hold me responsible for
outing you. I would have thought it kinda obvious from the way we interact in public and the
fact that you uprate my comments that you aren't terribly pissed at me.
I didn't out Randy, I linked to a diary she posted in which she used her real name.
And Greg the cometman fucking deserved it. So there.

[ Parent ]
have considered it (4.00 / 1)

looking for a spot where I don't have to get drawn into a faeces-fest with pgr, k9k,
etc.

[ Parent ]
Since this is the "kill shot" we ought to coordinate it. (4.00 / 1)

Perhaps someday the issue will be raised again and while I'm defending
myself you could pop in for a few. I don't wanna force anything.

[ Parent ]
pffter zombie (2.50 / 2)

this guy
Jeebus. Meltdown on aisle number nine (4.00 / 2)

Bipolar disorder runs in my family, and boy, DFQ sure exhibits the symptoms in a manic depressive
way. Damn.



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condo :: October 7, 2008
Tags: space, (All

Tags)
someone has (4.00 / 2)

diaries specially about him, all over the internets.
hope he's doing well.
kos' comment (4.00 / 1)

in dave's gbcw
lots more (4.00 / 2)

fun to read most of kos' comments in that thread.
it was a good thread, imo.
dfq appears to be banned.

[ Parent ]

oops (4.00 / 2)
forgot that he had ratings pulled. prolly not banned.
self-banned.

[ Parent ]
Yup. (4.00 / 2)
The saddest part (23+ / 0-)

is that the drama queens/kings think people
care, and that this place will somehow suffer for
it. And then ... nothing. No one cares!
Shit, I could walk away from this site, and as

long as I kept paying the hosting bills, few
would even notice. That's what makes this a
community, and not a one-man show.
by kos on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:44:18 AM

EDT
by: ugog @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:18:11 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
oops I posted (4.00 / 2)

in an older diary. don't miss.
see (4.00 / 1)
this
by: condo @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:24:56 PM CDT
Damn, arken might pass Major Flaw's record (4.00 / 2)

I like arken, but he doesn't ever shut up. When he disappears for a while,
I'm usually glad to see him go.
During the first YK at Vegas, I met arken the first day. He was unemployed
at the time, and some nice kossack let him stay free in his room. The
second day, I asked that person [wish I could remember who it was] where
arken was and was told that arken got sick and went home. That was
strange, imo.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 13:12:27 PM CDT
I pretty much (4.00 / 2)

like Arken - though, you're right.

[ Parent ]
Top comment, so far: (4.00 / 2)
The truth (32+ / 0-)

is here.
I was just thinking the other day, "It's been a while since
we've had a good GBCW diary!", so this is kind of nice.

by kos on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:12:15 AM EDT
This one's better: (4.00 / 2)
you're (4+ / 0-)

accusing taylormattd unfairly. As he confesses
elsewhere in this thread, he was pretty much
ignorant of the latest developments in the DFQ
v. MF cage match until this GBCW. Although he
may have once had a reputation as some sort of
"enforcer" or "troll-hunter" or "great DKos eye
in the sky," those days are behind him, as he
now selflessly dedicates his time to such worthy
causes as Diary Rescue. This is confirmed by
the fact that, in its list of "30 Biggest DKos
Assholes," the site known as The Latest Shithole
ranks taylor but #24 . . . quite a comedown.
You can find a link to this, too, elsewhere in this
thread. As someone who has, for god knows
what perverse reason, followed the DFQ/MF/
BraveheartDC/kestrel9000/randgrither
clusterfuck for some months now, I can tell you,
truthfully, that taylor has never much been
there.
by blueness on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 04:10:11

AM EDT

[ Parent ]
Excellent summary: (4.00 / 1)
the asher thing (20+ / 0-)

is new--just happened in the past few
days.
Things have moved fairly quickly in the

DFQ v. MF cage match over the past
month, taylor. DFQ & Co. won a round
when DFQ's long-time tormenter/
stalker, BraveheartDC, whom MF had
sided with, got hisself banned,
apparently for sockpuppetry. Shortly
thereafter, DFQ & rand overplayed
their hand, deciding that MF could no
longer be borne, and announcing their
intention to HR his every comment.
Four separate admins came into that
thread to warn them off. When they
didn't heed those warnings, they got
their ratings abilities pulled. That was
about two weeks ago. Then this asher
thing erupted, allowing the anti-MF
folks an opportunity to howl at the
heavens for a hundred comments or
so. There has meanwhile developed a
numbnuts theory--mostly hatched over
at pff 1.0 and 2.0--that MF is gifted
with some Infernal Power granted him
by site admins, a theory crazed on its
face, as MF has explicitly said for
months that he would like, as just two
examples, dfq and rand driven off this

site--yet here they both remain. I'm

assuming DFQ petitioned the admins to
punish MF over this asher uproar, and
got himself a warning instead. Thus,
this diary.
by blueness on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at

01:01:21 AM EDT

[ Parent ]
Another winner: (4.00 / 1)
Sayonara,
davefromdramaqueen (2+ /
0-)
I think I understand why you
leapt to Asher's defense:
You're both shameless self-
promoters who love to
grandstand. It's as if you were
standing up for your younger
self.
Asher's only 14 & while his

approach to fundraising is
annoying in the extreme, he
gets some credit for at least
understanding (on some level)
just how annoying some of us
might find it. There's still
plenty of time & opportunity
for us to flog the showboating
out of him & see him mature
into a credit to the Democratic
Party.
But for someone who's

presumably a full adult but
chooses to remain mired in
consistently overthetop
dramaqueenly behavior &
rhetoric, there is no good
excuse. See ya, wouldn't
wanna be ya.
(The one thing I am mildly

curious about is whether my
obvious annoyance with our
9th-Grade-Fee-Nom [as the
little pain in the tukhis tried to
noodge his way to $5000 for
the Big O] got me shortlisted
as one of MajorFlaw's
"thugs"--since I don't
remember ever even seeing a
post from MF until I blundered
into the Asher diary...)
May I bow to Necessity not/

To her hirelings (W. S.
Merwin)
by Uncle Cosmo on Tue Oct

07, 2008 at 02:36:39 AM EDT

by: ugog @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 20:37:27 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Condo, you are such an asshole! (4.00 / 1)

I'm fucking Avis to your Hertz. Well I'll just have to try harder. Man, that
list made my day.
neeners! (4.00 / 1)
how did I get there, do you think?

[ Parent ]
Practice. Practice. Practice. (4.00 / 1)

Doing something right, I guess.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 17:03:53 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I don't know about any of you, (4.00 / 2)

but this video struck me in just the right way when my son showed it to
me; I almost laughed up some organs.
Did you see this one from dave's flamout: (4.00 / 1)
Sayonara, davefromdramaqueen (2+ / 0-)

I think I understand why you leapt to Asher's
defense: You're both shameless self-promoters
who love to grandstand. It's as if you were
standing up for your younger self.
Asher's only 14 & while his approach to

fundraising is annoying in the extreme, he gets
some credit for at least understanding (on some
level) just how annoying some of us might find
it. There's still plenty of time & opportunity for
us to flog the showboating out of him & see him
mature into a credit to the Democratic Party.
But for someone who's presumably a full adult

but chooses to remain mired in consistently
overthetop dramaqueenly behavior & rhetoric,
there is no good excuse. See ya, wouldn't
wanna be ya.
(The one thing I am mildly curious about is

whether my obvious annoyance with our 9th-
Grade-Fee-Nom [as the little pain in the tukhis
tried to noodge his way to $5000 for the Big O]
got me shortlisted as one of MajorFlaw's
"thugs"--since I don't remember ever even
seeing a post from MF until I blundered into the
Asher diary...)
May I bow to Necessity not/ To her hirelings (W.

S. Merwin)
by Uncle Cosmo on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at

02:36:39 AM EDT


[ Parent ]
did we see it? (4.00 / 1)

who recced it...?

[ Parent ]
Ya know... (4.00 / 2)
as I was sitting here looking at this copy of the
comment I wuz wondering who had Rec'd it.
Too damn lazy to look, though.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 08:49:35 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I'll tell ya, then (4.00 / 2)

trashablanca and bottles recced it.

08:59:36 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Cool. (4.00 / 2)
That comment got what dave
(and Asher) are about
completely. A couple of folks
picked up on my problem with
Asher linking to info about his
classmates but nobody linked
to his press release about the
hurricane.
Um, would I be mistaken in

thinking that my overall point
about dave has been
demonstrated to the wide
audience now?
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 08, 2008

at 09:44:35 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
No. (4.00 / 1)
by: trashablanca @
Wed Oct 08, 2008 at
22:02:36 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
It should
be noted
that I
posted the
above
comment
(0.00 / 0)
before
Asher's
idiotic
thread of
today.
What's up

with all my
antagonists
suddenly
choosing to
shoot
themselves
in the foot?
by: ugog @
Wed Oct 08,
2008 at
22:10:35 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]



by: ugog
Ever have the feeling that you walked into someone else's movie? I knew that dave was Username:
a smear merchant who was capable of doing virtually anything. I expected him to
flameout in some manner eventually. But I never expected anything like that. Kinda
weird to find yourself on the other end of someone's obsession. Password:
About As y'all know by now I didn't do anything there. A very wise person who is also a
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- Put stuff here member of this site sent me a clue-o-gram before I ever saw dave's thread. It was
suggested to me (pp not quote) that if I could manage to STFU and stay out of it dave
would be done. I'm not patting myself on the back for anything other than being smart Forget your username or
Search enough to listen to my lawyer. password?
Diaries
I'd like to think that I would have been smart enough to recognize that dave was flaming
out and disciplined enough to let him do it without me complicating things. But we'll Blog Roll
never know. www.dailykos.com
Search
Advanced Search Gotta tell ya this has been a draining experience. One reason why I don't write diaries or
talk about what I do is that I don't need the spotlight. I guess this is now one of those
internets events that folks will be talking about for years. I never wanted to be a part of
something like that. I've joked in private about doing a diary on "dave's greatest
hitpieces" complete with quotes and links and all but I'd never do it. And I'm certainly
not deluded enough to think that kos and admins give a shit whether I stay or go. I
knew when dave posted this comment:
They will have to ban him or not ban him. (2+ / 0-)
Again, I'll make no bones about this.
I will have nothing to do with this site beyond 48 hrs after Election Day
if MajorFlaw is allowed to speak for this site as of Nov. 6, 2008.
And I don't think I'll be alone and I have certain members in the media
that I've spoken to about this who are going to be watching what
happens.
They are aware of MajorFlaw's behavior. Either DailyKos owns it or

doesn't own it. But that decision should not be made until after the
Election. We'll know Nov. 6, 2008.
What he did today with Asher was disgusting, purely disgusting. I also
saw he hijacked a threat to ask that a diary be pulled and it ended up

on the rec list. Dozens of people called him out on that too.
He has done this hundreds of times. Again, either DK owns him or

doesn't own him. There is no in between.
What he did with Asher today should be bannable in and of itself.
by davefromqueens on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 04:07:10 PM EDT

[ Parent | Reply to This ]
that his days were numbered. I just don't see kos taking kindly to that sort of threat.
Anyway, I'm still alive, junior bush is still an asshole and we've got an election in less
than a month. Thanks for covering for me in my absence. I aim to post this daily thread
around 3 AM each day. If one of you wake up and find it not already done--feel free to
go for it.

Tags)

fucking asshole pager (4.00 / 2)

making it hard for me to sit on my hands again
the comment she is responding to totally sucks, but...
Alec82 is quite the uprater (4.00 / 1)

His meta diary from last night w/link to his FSZ diary.
Bad uprate: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
otro vez: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
Randi Listener is toast, finally. (4.00 / 2)

Did they figger out who he used to be? (4.00 / 2)

BTW, check out Asher's latest thread. If folks can't see the similarities raised by
UncleCosmo now they're too stupid to bother with. Is this not a young dave at
work:

[ Parent ]
totally a dave (4.00 / 2)

I commented


[ Parent ]
This is some year, huh? (4.00 / 2)

First it was Randy, then dave, now this. Obama is way ahead
and Pubs are jumping off bridges from coast to coast. Life is
good.

[ Parent ]
and I earned a couple years' (4.00 / 2)

salaries, for most people, yesterday.
now if my foot and back would heal up, things'd be

peachy.

[ Parent ]
Just wanted to save this somewhere. (4.00 / 2)
School Blocks Access Because of Obama Email

by AsherHeimermann [Subscribe]
Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 06:37:26 PM EDT
My e-mail account and internet access is blocked for one month

because I sent an e-mail asking for middle school and high school
students to volunteer at the local Barack Obama for President field
office.
AsherHeimermann's diary :: ::
You will not believe this.
On Monday, October 6th, I was called into the office of Kate Dunning,
the Associate Principal at Sheboygan South High School in Sheboygan,
Wisocnsin. She informed me that I misused my student e-mail account
on serveral occasions to spam students and administrators. Now the e-
mail that she is refering to is an e-mail that I sent to middle school and
high school administrators in the Sheboygan Area School District,
asking for student volunteers for the local Democratic Party / Barack
Obama field office.
Now I feel that is not spamming and I also feel that I did not misuse
my student e-mail account that is provided to me by the school
district. I thought that the e-mail I sent was an informational one and
was an educational one for the students that wanted to get involved in
a political campaign that they or their family supported. I should also
note that due this, they have blocked my internet access and my e-
mail account for one month. Its funny thst they blocked my internet
access as I did nothing wrong on the internet, as far as I know.
I have received a South High School Botton Line Referral for this so
called "Computer Violation". I was not informed that I was going to
receive a referral for my actions. Also on the Referral, there is a line for
the student's signature. Guess what? I was never asked to sign that
referral. Instead, Kate Dunning felt that she could just write "Student
aware" on the Student Signature line. She lied. I was not aware that I
was going to receive a referral.
I have sent an Open Records Request to receive the e-mails that I've
sent as well as e-mails that staff members within the district sent
regarding myself. I feel that they blocked my e-mail and internet
access based on my political involvement. Once I get the documents I
requested, I plan on sharing them with the DailyKos community. I will
also post the documents on my website for public viewing. The e-mail I
sent was not pushing anyone to vote, support, or volunteer for Senator
Obama or the Democratic National Commitee. It was a simple e-mail
asking for volunteers.
Asher Heimermann is a teenager from Sheboygan, Wisconsin. You can

learn more information about Heimermann by visiting his official
website at www.AsherHeimermann.com.
MY PERSONAL FUNDRAISING GOAL:
As a young American, I dream of a President who is honest,

personable, intelligent, and wise. I want a leader with courage and
integrity who has known the struggles of an everyday American. A lot
of people have stopped believing that may even be possible. I haven't
stopped believing. I support Senator Barack Obama because he is that
leader.
http://my.barackobama.com/...
Please help me reach my $5,000 personal fundraising goal for Senator

Barack Obama and Senator Joe Biden. Every dollar counts. You're not
just helping me reach my personal fundraising goal but you're also
helping Senator Obama and Senator Biden get elected as our next
President and Vice President of the United States of America.
Poll
What Do You Think?

No, The Administrator was Wrong

47% 64 votes
Yes, The Administrator was Right
40% 55 votes
No Opinion
12% 17 votes
Appropos of nothing in particular (4.00 / 2)

My favorite kitty pic ever [I hate the term pootie].
that's spelled (4.00 / 2)

"titty" - nice pootie there, too, btw...

[ Parent ]
I know, I know, Stolen! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
funny thing was. PITA it was, I loaded this (4.00 / 1)

for a diary I never pasted to, but pasted instead to TC and
here, to welcoming audiences. What ain't perves, swerves!
No idea what that meant, but I smiled, anyway.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 00:19:43 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
so, here's this (4.00 / 2)

from Darrell the Puke where he refers to "Jack's guerilla marketing in DFQ's GBCW"
bringing traffic to FSZ.
In that diary, I saw ord avg guy link there, but nobody else. Is Jack JSRevenge? I
thought ord avg was another user, with acc'ts at kos and fsz?
getting hard to tell the players...
this may bear (4.00 / 2)

watching...
Um, yeah, that presents a problem. (4.00 / 2)

Your point about the use of "retarded" is sound but that is an awkward place to
raise it. I think that's from dave's flameout so I can't comment or uprate. Also,
in his own clumsy way BBC was supporting me. Not sure I would have chosen
that moment to make that point. I'm hoping it goes away quietly.

[ Parent ]
ya, it was impulsive (4.00 / 2)

being unmedicated and fasting prolly means I should stay away.

I don't give a shit whether it's hidden, though, so not a worry. I'm
willing to support calling anyone who'd post that an asshole, and I bet
it'd be supported by others.

[ Parent ]
I have no problem with what you said. (4.00 / 2)

Were I able to participate there I might have joined you.
That's kinda the point.

[ Parent ]
I never said a word in that diary, w00t! (4.00 /

2)
but was happy to hydrate Randi, and to rate
comments so people knew I was there. My last
comment to dfq was I wasn't going to play his game,
I played mine, instead.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 23:14:27

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Yup and you're still standing. (4.00 / 2)

Still have the ability to rate comments too.
What a world.
(Got a link for that comment. I don't recall

seeing it)
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 23:18:27

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Oh, shit! I just realized I

commented (4.00 / 2)
in that diary. Fucking trolly back
doors!, lol!

2008 at 23:42:45 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

AsherHeimermann (4.00 / 1)
Folks, he's done this before:
http://www.democraticundergrou...
Apparently it didn't go over so well:
http://www.democraticundergrou...



by: ugog
Username:
Must be a factory somewhere
Keeps on cranking them out
Seems like they travel in pairs Password:
Not worth the trouble but too full of clout
About
Somebody must play his game Submit
- Put stuff here
They get stuck in the here and now
Lending and borrowing pain Forget your username or
Search His fist, your face, you kiss the ground password?
Diaries
But he dont do nothing half way
Complete this equation Blog Roll
He needs justification www.dailykos.com
Search Distaff affirmation
To keep on crankin it out
Advanced Search
We could build cell on cell
Mainline him straight to hell
But that would not dispel
Violent men, hard-headed women, unloved children
Must be a garden somewhere

Keeps on sending them down
Big eyes, big teeth, big hair
Ready to breed with the nearest clown
She has the will to complain

But something wont let her
Break free of the tether
Even though she knows better
She just cant figure it out
We can prescribe for pain

Have her declared insane
Even all this wont change
We let them find their own way

While everyone chooses
To ignore the abuses

Weve all got excuses
We keep on, keep on cranking them out
And nobody has the time

To look at the great design
But theyre all from the same bloodline
Those numbers in the upper left corner are lookin' mighty good.

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Found this at the new sewer; dunno if it's legitimate: (4.00 / 2)
"Why I Left DailyKos" By Davefromqueens

by: MajorFlaud
Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 04:18:40 AM EDT
I received this email from Dave's account. He knows who this "gal" is
as do a couple of you sworn to secrecy.
It's a great diary in his own words and hopefully will spread around the
Internet like wildfire. (although I'm disappointed because he doesn't
mention my name)
MajorFlaud :: "Why I Left DailyKos" By Davefromqueens
Why I Left DailyKos by Davefromqueens

For over two years I wrote nearly 700 diaries at DailyKos. About 50
diaries of mine ended up on the recommended list. DailyKos claims its
mission statement is to elect more and better Democrats. My goal is
the same as the mission statement. Unfortunately, while the
overwhelming majority of DailyKos users are committed to this goal,
the site owner Markos Moulistas long ago abandoned this principle.
There are reasons why some of Kos' former front pagers, business
partners, the Kerry campaign, the Obama campaign, 99% of
Democratic politicians, and many high profile diarists will have nothing
to do with Markos. He's a toxin, dishonest, and will do to Democrats
what the likes of Ann Coulter have done to Republicans. In short, he'll
drive people over to the other side in droves. That's why, despite
some good work, the entire progressive netroots needs to distance
itself from him. The only way for Democrats to lose in 2010 and 2012
is for Markos Napoleonic complex and his Townhouse gatekeepers to
get in the way. We must not let that happen.
There were 2 final straws that dictated my decision to leave. One was
Markos Moulistas decision to allow one of the sites most troll rated
individuals to out three different people's real name on 3 separate
occasions. Two was Markos failure to act against this same user when
the user decided it was okay to start attacking a child unfairly. So I
wrote a final diary explaining why I was leaving and talked about some
of the crap that Markos did not want people knowing about.
Now Markos was in high gear trying to discredit me. In Markos

smearbook for diarists you have the following: Republican troll, far left,
crazy, convict, whose he, GBCW!!! Well he can't call me a Republican
because that's laughable and I have 15 years of accomplishments and
volunteer work to prove otherwise. He can't call me far left since he's
to my left. He can't call me crazy since my words and actions in life
demonstrate otherwise. He can't call me a convict because I've never
been convicted of a crime. And he can't automatically dismiss me as
an unknown since I'm fairly well known. Thus Markos used the final
option in his playbook called "GBCW" which is short for Good Bye Cruel
World. This is Markos' snide way of trying to dehumanize a person,

categorize them as angry, and failing to address the merits of the

points asserted. It's straight from Joseph Goebbels playbook.
You may ask, "Why would Markos try to discredit me?" Answer, truth
and credibility. We're not dealing with right wing nuts like Hannity or
Coulter. This is criticism from those aligned with him politically and
I'm one of many. Markos rarely comments in other people's diaries.
In my two years, he commented in one diary of mine, my last one.
During the day in question, we had excellent diaries on the Wall Street
meltdown, Iraq, the debates, Sarah Palin, McCain, and every important
issue imaginable. How many times did Markos comment in those
diaries combined? Zero. How many times did he comment in my final
diary? Twenty-four. And many of those comments actually revealed
all you need to know about Moulistas. In short, he outed himself.
Markos claimed in my diary thread that "
sometimes it really is up to the community to police itself."

This is laughable. When the community policed the abusive users, the
people in the community who were doing their job were punished not
the people violating the site rules and disrupting the blog. Many of
them got banned despite the community's wishes and others had their
ratings ability taken away. I was one of the latter. It was my 2nd
warning for I had the audacity to speak out against an abusive user on
multiple occasions. No one in the community troll rated those
comments at the time yet I was officially "warned" for allegedly
"following a user around." Yet when the same user followed my diaries
around with the sole intent to disrupt and I pointed this out, the
administration said that any user has a right to comment on someone
else's comments or diaries so long as it was on topic. My criticism was
on topic yet I was "warned" but the user's criticism's were off topic and
permitted.
It was at that point that I clearly realized that there is no community
moderation at Kos and it's just an illusion. But Kos wrote,
"In fact 95 percent of banned users are banned by the community."

This is a lie. We have people with hundreds of troll ratings who were
never banned and people with zero troll ratings who were. Kos purged
people Stalin style based on their views on I/P, election fraud, and
Hillary Clinton. Clinton supporters who gave out troll ratings were
purged for "ratings abuse" but those who troll rated Clinton supporters
for the same thing were welcomed with open arms. The lie is further
proven by the fact that the Scoop program Markos uses does not have
the feature Markos is asserting. As usual, you know Markos is lying
either when his lips move or his fingers hit the keyboard.
I agonized over whether I should have published my diary. Ironically
enough my tip jar got 27 recommends to 1 troll rating. The last thing
I'd want to do is hurt the Democratic Party at this point in the game
and I was fully aware that posting such a diary could be seen by some
as undermining those efforts. Thus, I held off for two weeks and was

going to wait until Nov. 6th to leave. I wrote multiple times to Kos and
administrators to point out the problems at the site and ask that the
ratings "punishment" be fixed. When the abusive user attacked a 14
yr old kid for fundraising for Obama and offering to help bring senior
citizens to the polls, I defended the 14 yr old kid and gave him a
donation for Obama. But instead of the user with 293 troll ratings
being banned, I received a "final warning" for my criticisms. It became
quite clear to me that DailyKos was a clique and a cult with no integrity
and I made the decision that moment to simply publish my diary the
next day.
Now others came into the diary to inquire. A user asked Markos if he
could give his opinion about the comment that attacked the 14 yr old
but Markos refused. Instead Markos starts commenting on veal and
eggplant recipes while claiming that he has no idea about all the
subsets of the community. Apparently Markos read every comment in
my diary but was temporarily blinded whenever these subjects came
up.
The Stalinist/Goebbels cultish BS that goes on at DailyKos goes on with

Markos' blessing and affirmative support. Markos sarcastically asks
whether or not he owns the behavior of the user who he knows attacks
kids and outs people's real names. Of course the answer is yes.
At Dailykos there are email groups where people manipulate the

system to uprate each other. It's the equivalent of sockpocketry,
supposedly a bannable offense with Markos. When Markos is asked
about this, he responds,
"I'm saying, if such emails exist, those people need to get lives. That's
all."
Markos must be describing himself because he was part of a secret
email list clique called The Townhouse. But again, you know Markos is
lying whenever his lips move or his fingers hit the keyboard. He even
got caught lying about the rankings of his site, which indeed, according
to Alexa, were down 25% not up 100% as Markos implied.
Then Markos say perhaps the most revealing thing about himself.
"The saddest part is that the drama queens/kings think people care
and this place will somehow suffer for it. And then, ..... nothing ..... no
one cares! Shit I could walk away from this site, and as long as I keep
paying the hosting bills, few would even notice. That's what makes this
a community, not a one-man show."
While not knowing who he's talking about, the bottom line is he is not
interested in electing more and better Democrats. He's a gatekeeper
not the gate crasher and probably will just sell the site and hide away
in the suburbs.
Barack Obama is going to crush John McCain by about 15 points on

November 4th. Democrats are going to pick up about 7 more Senate

seats and about 20 more House seats. And we will do it despite of
Markos Moulistas not because of him. I say despite of him because in
2004 every Democrat he worked for lost. I say despite of him because
the Obama campaign smartly won't have anything to do with him.
(And this is why I had no problem writing the diary before the election)
I say despite of him because only 1% of Democrats running for office
go to Markos for help and 90% of them lose.
While Obama's strength and the political climate are mostly to credit
for why this will happen, the biggest reason why John McCain's
campaign has fallen on its face is because of the associations of
McCain/Palin. The quickest way for Democrats to win 50 states is not
to listen to Davefromqueens but for Republican candidates to capitulate
to the likes of Sean Hannity. A big reason why McCain will lose by 15
points is because he and Palin are using the Hannity talking points and
playbook for the general election.
Markos Moulistas is the left's Sean Hannity except he is a lot smarter.

He's smug, arrogant, and lacks integrity and serves as a turnoff. To
use Markos' lingo, he's a troll. It's not called guilt by association, it's
called affirmation by association. The GOP's association with Fox News
and their ilk has destroyed them. If unchallenged, Markos will be the
Democrats equivalents. Thus it is imperative that the netroots and the
Democratic Party distance themselves from Markos as soon as possible
so that we can be a governing majority for decades to come.
On a final note, please do not consider me a martyr. I failed

miserably. I failed because when Kos purged the Clinton supporters I
didn't speak up because I didn't support Hillary in the primary. I failed
because when Kos purged those pointing out the abuses, I didn't speak
up because I wasn't one of the targets then. I failed because when
Kos purged legitimate Democrats for minor Thoughtcrime, I didn't
speak up because my diaries were receiving special treatment. I am
not proud of these failures and I should have known better given my
familiarity with Reverend Niemoller's poem "First They Came." Please
forgive me, I let myself and others down.
by: ugog @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 04:52:20 AM CDT
I'm thinking that's actually him... (4.00 / 2)

sticking a bony hand out of his coffin and driving in a few more nails. Generally
when I'm able to get someone to convict themselves like that the only thing left
to say is, "No further questions, Yurrhoner."
That takes care of the "violent men" contingent. What are Randy and Asher up

to?

[ Parent ]
I'm thinking it's (4.00 / 2)

comedy gold.
looking forward to eating and drinking, here, in about 5.5 more hours...

[ Parent ]
I also think (4.00 / 2)

Markos Moulistas is the left's Sean Hannity - dave
would make a cool sig.

[ Parent ]
Is that really in there? (4.00 / 2)

I don't feel like wading into it now but I'm suspecting you're right--this
is gonna be a goldmine. I mean, I've been telling folks for a year that
dave is irresponsible and a smear merchant. Seems to me the only
question remaining is if he actually wrote it and I believe he did. Other
than that it's "Game. Set. Match."
I've been saying for months that dave, Randy, kes, Greg the cometman
and the pffters at peeder's latest shithole were working together. Any
questions?
Unnerstand, dave is doing us a favor as he is pulling the rug out of

whatever credibility the rest of them had left. In the next Asher
Heimermann press release Asher is gonna distance himself from dave.
That kid is annoying but he isn't stupid.
I want everyone at the kos to read what dave wrote. "No further
questions, Yurhonner."

by: ugog @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 18:17:08 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
John Lennon - October 9,1940 (4.00 / 2)

He would have been 68 frigging years old today except for that narcissistic asshat, MDC -
May his hell be between his ears for the rest of his miserable life.
daveffomqueens (4.00 / 2)
Dave From Queens Will Speak For Himself

by: davefromqueens
Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 01:08:32 AM EDT
The diary I emailed "Major Flaud" spoke perfectly for me since I wrote
it and emailed it to "Major Flaud."
Let me add a few more things that people may not know about.
davefromqueens :: Dave From Queens Will Speak For Himself
1. I initially was going to wait until Nov. 6 to write that diary. I

drafted it 2 weeks ago but felt that waiting was not an option. More on
this soon.
2. I've done more to help Obama and the Democrats in this election
than every single one of the "30 biggest assholes" (Note I don't agree
with all of them, for example I think Sallycat is fine) combined. And
I'll continue to. Just because there are a few assholes on the Left like
Markos and the turnoff trolls does not mean I lump everyone together
with them. Most Democrats are not like these jerks.
Specifically I
a) exposed the McCain town halls as farces

b) gathered the most extensive list of McCain flip flops.
c) Was the first major diarist to coherently explain why I was
switching from Edwards to Obama.
d) Convinced others coherently with my "Divorce" diary why not to
vote for HRC in the primary.
e) Was 1 of 3 people at the site who quickly gathered all the damagin
info on Palin within 24 hrs so we could win the frame. By winning this
frame, we basically won the presidency.
f) Recognized long ago that Sean Hannity would be the primary media
spokesman for whoever the GOP nominee would be and by helping
expose Hannity as a fraud and by debunking his talking points ahead of
time, it became game-set-match the moment Palin went on Hannity.
g) Many of the talking points used by the Obama campaign are word
for word things I've written or called into talk shows. Specifically,
"Capture and kill Osama Bin Laden."
My record of accomplishment (and I have done so many other things)

to help elect more and better Democrats exceeds all the turnoff trolls
and front pagers combined. (Not that this was a hard standard to
ascertain.)
3. There are a couple of front pagers who are decent people but most
are assholes. Especially you Dr. Laura. You are a complete asshole,
have no conscience, and my advice to any Democrat running for office
is to stay far away from you because that's the only time I'll actually
vote Republican is if you are working for the Democrats. But overall
most of what I write is far superior to their crap and I don't even spend
the extra 2-3 hrs of careful editing to improve my articles that I would
if publishing for a reputable magazine. However these front pagers
know the shit that is going on at that site with the turnoff trolls but
don't have the courage to simply walk away. Oh, I saw this. Markos is
using you people and you are too stupid to realize it. Demand he pay
you for your work b/c he is making money off of you left and right.
4. Maybe it's because I feel so much better about myself that I had
the courage to leave. Perhaps losing 20 lbs changes one's perspective.
Perhaps that my ass is no longer fat that I don't feel the need to sit by
a computer for extended periods of time.
5. It does not matter if every group out there or even Republicans use
my diary to attack Daily Kos. It is correct that the Obama campaign
ditched Markos a long long time ago.
6. The vast majority of users at DailyKos are great people who truly
want to make a difference. The problem is they are gate crashers and
Markos does not want them crashing the gate.
7. There is no community moderation at DailyKos. You were all

bamboozled on that one, another Moulistas lie.
8. There are not 190,000 users at DailyKos. There are 190,000 names
but only several thousand active users. Markos loves to manipulate
numbers. Check the number of commenters and diaries written per
day and check sites like Alexa for actual rankings.
9. Most people still at DailyKos know full well that my diary was the
cold hard truth but they won't say so for fear of getting banned.
Markos knows it too which is why he commented 24 times in it.
10. I'll emphasize this again and again because it is very important for
Democrats to know this if they want to stay in power in 2010 and
beyond. STAY AWAY FROM MARKOS and his cultists. If Democrats
want to associate with people like Dr. Laura who attack whether a
woman has a husband or "screw them" Moulistas about 4 Americans
killed in Iraq or a site that allows outing of people's real names
(Randgrithr) and attacks on 14 year olds, Democrats will be voted out
of office in 2010. Moulistas is the Democrats Ann Coulter. What do I
mean by that? Simple, Put 100 Republicans in a room with Ann
Coulter and 25 will walk out Democrats. Put 100 Democrats in a room
with Moulistas and 25 will walk out Republicans. I bolded this for a
reason, it should be repeated often.
11. On Election Day, when Obama wins by 15 points and Democrats

gain 7 Senate seats and 21 House seats, Markos is going to try and
claim that he did this. This will be bullshit. The Senate candidates in
tight races are NOT posting at DailyKos because if they do, this would
turn off swing voters and swing the election to the Republican. These
campaigns (Merkley, Franken, Begich, Shaheen) know that they will
win IF they stay away from Markos although Markos can link to how to
raise money from them.
12. Watch closely every candidate that is closely associated with

Markos. (actually they can be counted on one hand at this point) For
example, Jon Power was a shoo in to be the Democratic nominee for
an upstate district in NY but he became a lackey of Markos. He lost to
a woman whose campaign spending consisted of a Happy Meal at
McDonalds and not much more. People like Annette Taddeo, Jim
Himes, Charlie Brown, and others should be winning their races in this
Democratic tidal wave. If they link to Markos they will lose. If they
distance themselves from them (I don't fully understand this Dana
Houle stuff) they win. Remember, Markos was 0 for 15 in 2004.
13. The progressive netroots is just emerging and we cover thousands

of websites not just the Orange. Markos is disliked and despised by
most in the progressive netroots. And for very good reason.
14. Lastly, on Major Flaw, you betcha Markos owns him because he's
doing what Markos wants, which is to stifle views on certain subjects
that don't fully confirm to Markos. Oh I say "you betcha" b/c Markos
described me as a "hater." He sure sounds like Sarah Palin doesn't he?
15. Oh I left when I realized that attempts to resolve the abuses at

DailyKos were repudiated. All those lines about "email the
adminstrators." Oh I did that as did hundreds of others. But
remember when I and others posted comments defending the kid?
Remember that Dr Laura said that people could comment on point.
Guess what happened? We all received "warnings" for our comments.
Yes, we were given "warnings" for that. Remember, NO ONE troll
rated any of my comments in those threads. Community moderation?
Doesn't exist. I received a "final warning" that night and decided to
post the diary the next day. I've severed my ties with the Orange just
like Obama did. I'm in good company.
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Oh A Tip Jar (5.00 / 3)
by: davefromqueens @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 00:10:08 AM CDT

Welcome Dave! (5.00 / 3)
I'm told I should be honored.
But since I was born in Ozone Park I wish to invite you to a game of
stoop ball.
Maybe head out to LIC and shoot some hoops?

:-)
by: Jack's Smirking Revenge @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 00:13:01 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I do have a game. 20 more pounds lost and I'll be able to do
something.
When I had the 20 lbs on I couldn't move, couldn't run the floor.
There was a time where I used to be able to sink 3 pointer after 3

pointer while sitting Indian style on the floor.
A few more weeks and I'll be up for the challenge.
Stoopball too.
[ Parent ]
Hi Dave (0.00 / 0)
Don't know if you knew it, but Pffers have been watching the
trainwreck between you, Braveheart and his sockpuppet, and the
Flawed One for a few months now. Everyone was betting that you
would eventually be banned or driven off. We also believe that
Braveheart wasn't banned, but probably has a new UID.
I really wish they weren't so predictable, it takes the fun out of it.
But why did you stay there, did you really think you could get some
justice there? Most people watching knew you wouldn't.
Btw, how is Randgrthr? She sure has spirit, we were rooting for her on
Pff. I loved watching her go after them!
by: sabrina @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 00:36:12 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
Fuck you You Troll (0.00 / 0)
How dare you show up on the Internet like this you troll
you have done nothing to help Democrats
Markos should have banned you a long time ago.

by: MajorFlaud @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 00:16:36 AM CDT
Let me tell you the truth (5.00 / 1)
I have your number nailed at DailyKos. If we could vote on it at
Dailykos without fear of retribution, 85% of the users there would
prefer my presence to yours.
I know that you are there to try and turn away as many Democrats as
possible. I just needed to know if Markos felt the same way and
apparently he does.
I also have Moulistas number too. He's a turnoff troll just like you.

Markos will try threatening Democrats and trying to divide while the
rest of us will stay united. And I will be there with other Democrats
and activists to make it clear that as of 2009, any person closely
aligned with Moulistas who tries to challenge other Democrats will be
defeated.
I and the progressive netroots will be fine. DailyKos is down to a few

thousand users a day. What will happen after the election? Watch
the exodus.
[ Parent ]
Congratulations, (5.00 / 1)
if you are truly dfq (and I hope you will pardon my caution, but
here...?). Your diary continues.
I respect those who have left and I respect those who stay when they
learn what is going on and speak up. But I do question (along with
you, I think?) when genuine Democrats started accepting every word
of "the authorities" anywhere.
Yes, meta-readers from elsewhere: you can quote me on that one.

by: vox humana @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 00:38:32 AM CDT
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excellent job (4.00 / 1)

saving this.

[ Parent ]
oops (4.00 / 1)
well, not so much, as that's still there.
it's this that I missed, and is gone. kinda glad it's gone, though, as it
was probably an ad for the new sewer.

[ Parent ]
Take a look at his latest. (4.00 / 1)

I posted it in today's thread.


[ Parent ]
BTW... (4.00 / 1)
when I saw that "gal," ref, in quotes, I thought the same thing MF did: I was further
confirmed in knowing it's greg.



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he was a guest on Tom Snyder's late night show. Really funny, clued in and sharp dude. He
said the way to end smoking in this country was to stop telling people that it caused cancer
and start telling them that it would make you black. I was moved to read his first two Password:
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davefromqueens where do I start? (4.00 / 2)
Oh I know - Also Cometman read bottom (0.00 / 0)

And they had the information to see the time of the ratings. I gave it to
them.
How can they explain trashy and bottles coming in 16 and 23 hrs after the
fact to uprate that Asher comment?
Answer - they email each other.
Now when cometman said something about voila/bottles/condoleaser, who

sent cometman an email? Flaw on bottles behalf. Why would Flaw send a
letter if they didn't communicate by email?
BTW cometman there are grievance committees where if members of the

Bar violate their rules of professional responsibility, they can be reported
to and possibily disciplined with anything from a warning to sanctions to
disbarment.
A NY lawyer threatening someone with criminal charges in an email may

be something that the grievance committee would want to know about.
Make sure you have that email saved so they can have his real name. (I
won't post it) Print it out. He knows a man named Mike Reich and co
counseled with him on Election cases. (info Flaw provided) So if you don't
have his real name, it would be tracked down in 5 minutes.
[ Parent ]
this pisses me off: (4.00 / 2)

I was downgraded, and I never even learned what had gotten me to #1.
congrats to MF, though.
We're in very good company it seems. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
# effing 4? WTF? (4.00 / 2)

that is outrageous! Love Billie Holiday, btw
Ever heard of Madeline Peryroux? She reminds me of Billy a lot. Here she
is doing Leonard Cohen's "Dance Me to the End of Love".

[ Parent ]
don't miss (4.00 / 2)

this
dave might (4.00 / 2)

run.

More from dfq (4.00 / 1)

Interesting:
For example, I am to the left of the Democratic Party on marijuana

legalization, prostitution legalization, tax rates, and religion.
I am to the right of the Democratic Party on guns, affirmative action,

Israel, Iran, and the death penalty.
And his obsession with MF continues:
I've never met Flaw personally although I do know who he is and I won't
out him unless he chooses to put his name out there. He's an ineffective,
low level, functionary ass, a turnoff in real life too but he thinks he's a
bigshot. He's considered a joke. His big issue was preserving NYS' levered
voting machines. He failed on that one too.



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"If george bush were alive today he'd be a sick man."

Dick Gregory
Three weeks and a couple of days. I'm dug in.


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davefromqueens : Research edition. (4.00 / 2)

I never bothered doing any homework on dave because there's nothing I
could really do with it. But I always assumed that due to dave's activities if
I wanted to find him it would take--as he put it--less than five minutes. I
was wrong about that, it took less than one minute:
http://www.gelfmagazine.com/ar...
Dumber than a frikking tree stump, I tells ya.
lol! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
look what the dictionary has (4.00 / 2)

next to the entry for falme

[ Parent ]
Check out peeder's shithole part two. (4.00 / 2)

dave has already been spamming them with his crap
diaries. Betcha he wears out his welcome quickly.

[ Parent ]
nah, they will love him there (4.00 / 2)

how can you not love comedy gold such as this?
incredible stuff.
by: condo @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 08:56:02 AM

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[ Parent ]
Take a close look at that photo of

him posted with (4.00 / 2)
the article at Gelf. Look at the size of
his head relative to the rest of his body
and remember his weight issues. I'm
thinking that photo was retouched/
photoshopped. Notice that it's his
photo not the magazine's. What thinks
you?
by: ugog @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 at

08:59:03 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
hard to tell (4.00 / 2)

and it was 2+ years ago.
plenty of time for Chee-tos™
by: condo @ Sat Oct 11, 2008

at 09:29:38 AM CDT
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junior is leaving in less than a hundred days. I've waited years to say that. Username:
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imploding at every opportunity. They know they're gonna lose and are
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And then junior starts packing his shit up. Country is ready for that, too.

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Markos Is a Fraud (4.00 / 1)

And we had a very simple question for the

administrators.
Is it okay to out another member with personal info that
links their real name?
They claim this is an automatic bannable offense. They

consider it the crime of all crimes.
So again, why wasn't MajorFlaw banned for doing it to 3

different users?
They were provided with the documentation.
They can still choose to ban MajorFlaw today or

tomorrow.
Thus, when Markos snidely asks if he owns the

behavior of MajorFlaw, the answer is yes.
Markos IS aware that Flaw has outed people. That's

much different from not knowing.
So yes, when talking about Markos in other medium, this

will be one of the things brought up.
by: davefromqueens @ Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 19:52:06 PM
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It appears he is quoting from private correspondence.
let's be clear about the "outings:" (4.00 / 2)

one was when MF linked to a pff comment that outed bottles - but
bottles, having been outed at pff, had nothing left to hide - and
the "outing" wasn't direct, it was a link in a dead diary, iirc.
one was calling dave "bigdave...?" seems pretty easy to find a

ridiculously similar name, anytime you searched for
"davefromqueens." search for "condoleaser," you'll see what I
mean. or "bottles."
the third was linking to Randgrithr's diary, where she published

her real name willingly, then never took advantage of the
opportunity to edit it.
did I miss anything?

[ Parent ]
Nope, clear as can be. (4.00 / 2)
but bottles, having been outed at pff,

had nothing left to hide
Exactly. While dave tried to use it to his own advantage

only kestrel9000 actually believes that I outed bottles.
Everyone else at both sites can see what the deal is.
seems pretty easy to find a ridiculously

similar name,

To be fair IIRC it was BraveheartDC who found that.

Perhaps that's why it bothers dave so much, I saw
Braveheart using it, checked it out and started using it
myself. If you do a search on "davefrom" you will get
both of them. But that's not the way it happened.
the third was linking to Randgrithr's

diary
Randy's dkos diary at that. Has anyone ever gotten in

trouble for linking to a diary at the kos?
did I miss anything?
Don't think so, counselor. I'd move for Summary

Judgment.

[ Parent ]
If dave is comfortable at this kind of "logic" (4.00 /

2)
I sure wouldn't want his representation. dfq is hurtling
down the delusional highway, and he's prolly going to run
into a train.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 13:05:14 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
vintage dave: (4.00 / 2)

Again, above all else, I'm a thinker (far more deliberate and measured than
most would believe) and a strategist who knows what needs to be done to
win elections.
He really believes this: (4.00 / 2)
When they tell me that I shouldn't go around

commenting where Flaw comments and then
say that all users have a right to comment (if on
topic as I was) in threads there's a problem.
And then when I check and they say it is ok to
comment where Flaw comments so long as I am
on topic and then my sporadic comments where
Flaw comments were ALL on topic and I get
"warned" again for doing what they made 100%
clear I and any other user can do, then it's time
for me to leave.
He follows me around and posts his standard "turnoff troll"

comment 35 times and calls it sporadic and on topic.
When you see the blatant hypocrisy of Markos

plus knowing his tax issues, his Armstrong
connection, that he has absolutely no
personality when you meet him in person, and
that he has no feeling for 4 Americans killed in
Iraq regardless of the motives for them being
there, you know it's time to leave.

Wonder if the folks upstairs are starting to wonder why they

waited so long.
I tried to save them from themselves and

naively thought they were unaware of what was
going on. It was disappointing to later learn
that not only did they know that this crap goes
on, but that they get erections from it.
Um. Dunno quite what to say about that one.
there's a large segment of the Left that just

hates Kos and as I've learned, for good reason.
He's our Ann Coulter.
Well, at least he really is a man, baby.
I have something excellent planned this week

that if executed the way I think it will be
executed, will bring tens of thousands of more
voters over to the Democratic side. There's
about a 25 percent chance of it happening, it
depends on a couple of final details coming
through b/c there are some expenses involved.
If I pull it off, it will show again how 1 person
like me does more to help Democrats than the
30-40 Assholes that my friend Madam Flaud
referenced.
Delusional.
DailyKos is FALMEing right before our eyes. I

opened up a lot of eyes and still haven't done
99.5% of what I was going to do. I posted in 3
places only thus far. Here b/c they read it, at a
blog to rub it in Markos face b/c the person
running it is buds with Markos, and 1 very
reputable site just so it can be archived for
future reference when the torrential downpour
is needed.

[ Parent ]
Asher's in wikipedia (4.00 / 2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...
found the link in this GBCW:http://www.dailykos.com/

story/2008/10/12/173121/70/949/628576
in which dfq and MF are both discussed.
Asher the notorious sockpuppet, that is. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]

I've thought from the beginning that there is more

to (4.00 / 2)
Asher than meets the eye. Not sure what the real deal is
but he's no naif.

[ Parent ]
The two legends finally meet: (4.00 / 2)

that's some great shit (4.00 / 2)

perfect time to link to the list. heh!
by: condo @ Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 21:49:43 PM CDT

[ Parent ]
I was tempted to ask something along the lines of:

(4.00 / 2)
Now that you are the target of dave's smear merchant
tactics does it give you any additional insight into my
issues with him?
One thing I've found is that you don't really know

someone until you've been on opposite sides about
something. There are some things, many things actually,
that I just won't do. dave--not so much. When we were
dealing with Greg the cometman you may have wondered
about my restraint. This be why. It pays off in the
longterm. YMMV.

[ Parent ]



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BTW, just a heads up. (4.00 / 2)

Occasionally the pffters get something right. I think they were correct in identifying
SlackwareGrrl as a zombie/sockpuppet of BraveheartDC. I'll expand on that if
necessary:
by: ugog @ Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 05:33:17 AM CDT
mf, you've a hellishly eclectic (4.00 / 2)

and wonderful taste in moosica, imo.
by: condo @ Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 11:28:36 AM CDT
Wuts this about: (4.00 / 2)

by: ugog @ Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 12:05:14 PM CDT
it's about (4.00 / 2)

this

[ Parent ]
admin - (4.00 / 2)
howcum certain users no longer show up in "manage users?"
No clue. (4.00 / 2)
But when I go to "Browse Users" all appear. I really have no frikking idea
what or how happened.

[ Parent ]
it happened when you were (4.00 / 2)

dikking around with it the other day, iirc.

[ Parent ]
I've been "dicking" around with it since Labor Day.

(4.00 / 2)
The only new event over the past week was letting you

poke around. Are we gonna have our first UGoG pie fight
over this?
Is there any functional problem or does it just look

wrong? Is this cosmetic or does it need fixing?

[ Parent ]
fuck you, asshole (4.00 / 2)

I am out of this shithole.
no, I don't think it matters - as you say, we're

all there to be browsed - at? upon? so all good.
by: condo @ Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 14:50:21 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Funny, for a moment I lost my

place. (4.00 / 2)
I saw your "fuck you, asshole..." and
thought I was reading the latest
installment of Today in MajorFlaud.
by: ugog @ Mon Oct 13, 2008 at

15:04:09 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
zackli (4.00 / 2)
a little gallows humor
by: condo @ Mon Oct 13,

2008 at 15:05:16 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Our favorite teenager has a diary up (4.00 / 2)

Who is Asher Heimermann? (4.00 / 2)

Ain't technology grand. Notice the signed photo of junior and Deadeye
Dick.

[ Parent ]
think dave's revvin up (4.00 / 1)

for a new project?
the plot (4.00 / 1)

thickens

[ Parent ]
MajorFlaud (4.00 / 1)
gets in on the act

[ Parent ]
I'm afraid they are correct about that. (4.00 / 1)

See Tuesday's daily thread.
by: ugog @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 00:50:55 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
dave has jumped into the cesspool without reservation.

(4.00 / 1)
"No further questions, yurhonner."

[ Parent ]
hamburgler (4.00 / 1)
claims he had Barb ban his former selves, and names four - then says, a couple
hours later, that he asked for these to be included: church of fugazi and henry
chinaski. both are not banned, but neither one seems to have TU: fugazi has three
total comments, and hank is too new.
so how did he post all the dead pope diaries, filled with reports from HC land...?
I'd love to pass on the info that the crocodile tears he's shedding don't distract from
the fact that he's lying, has ID/s which have TU, and doesn't plan to ignore dkos for
a nanosecond.
because it's his raisin dettrah.
but I don't know a way to do it.
Um... (4.00 / 1)
so how did he post all the dead pope diaries, filled with
reports from HC land...?
There appears to be two possibilities: Either they have a sockpuppet with

TU that they've managed to keep 'clean' or someone is feeding them stuff.
Wouldn't shock me if Pager or kestrel9000 were providing them with
access to the TU stuff. Can't assume it but not beyond the realm of
possibility.

[ Parent ]
imho, (4.00 / 1)
gahm has clear, steady, unrestricted access to HCs. I've wondered
many a time who his TU sock is. Pretty sure he's got at least one.

[ Parent ]
Do you remember the discussion he and I had

approx a month ago? (4.00 / 1)
He can stop arguing and play nice on demand. If he
wanted to own a sock, get it TU and keep it clean he
would be able. Then again, finding a member willing to
share wouldn't be difficult either.

[ Parent ]
he definitely has the skills (4.00 / 1)

to successfully sock - and mojowhore.
I think it'd be tough for him to be fed the

quantity and quality of TU info by a 3rd potty...
by: condo @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:23:49 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
burglegahm again refers (4.00 / 1)

to the last two names he "gave up," to prevent the "temptation of going back" - but
they're not banned.
Henry Chinaski and church of fugazi

All that talk about the"temptation of going back" (4.00 / 1)

sounds like Larry Craig to me.
BTW, there's a shiny new thread with today's date on it getting kinda
lonely.

[ Parent ]



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I was walking into my kitchen Sunday night when I noticed some movement. No, Username:
not one of the doggies, when they move the ground shakes. Just a small dark
thing which crossed my path before hiding under a cabinet. My eyes aren't very
good from more than 18 inches away and I don't wear my glasses around the Password:
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Funk Soul Bruvha (4.00 / 2)
FactCheck conflict of interest (0+ / 2-)

If you watched the video, you'd have seen that Philip Berg (a
lifelong Democrat) says that Barack Obama sat on a board with
these guys distributing up to $60M per year... so a little bias
could be expected from them.
But its seems too many Obama fans can't ever be asked to
question their messiah - no matter how many questions and
questionable associations he may have.
Must elect America's First African-American President! ...no

matter what.
by Funk Soul Bruvha on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 10:07:32 AM EDT
Obvious troll.
Such a clever handle too (4.00 / 2)

Impossible to tell this is a slovenly middle-aged, cheeto-inhaling,
keyboard kommando.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 11:46:50 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
If you have an extra hydrate (4.00 / 2)

this bigoted homophobe could sure use one:
rserven gets on my nerves for whining about how no one appreciates her, but she
is completely correct about his moran, and I think s/he deserves to be hidden on
sight.
Done and agreed in all particulars. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
It's gotten 5 so you can pull yours if you like (4.00 / 2)

This kino is on my radar now, and s/he's getting donut therapy
until s/he's gone. I'm guessing there's an 85% chance it's a
man. What do you think?

[ Parent ]
Don't mean to sound sexist but... (4.00 / 2)

most of the really malodorous trolls are male. Then
there is was Randy.

[ Parent ]
Ah, yes, Randi. The exception that proves

the tool. (4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at

13:24:16 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

what nic plz? (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
ah, sri, kino: you said. (4.00 / 2)

carry on
by: condo @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 13:27:00 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Is it just my misperception or
(4.00 / 2)
are Pubs sweating bullets lately?
by: ugog @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at

13:28:11 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
flop sweat (4.00 / 2)

unbearable agony of
impending tsunami.
I, personally, calls it all

Schadenfreude, all the time.
by: condo @ Tue Oct 14,

2008 at 13:44:59 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Now with bonus troll. (4.00 / 2)

check email.

13:41:58 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Kino (4.00 / 2)
Dumber than a fucking tree stump:
by: ugog @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at

23:35:42 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Woo hoo! all five hides from a TU troll! (4.00 / 2)

I sniffed out lrbreckenripple quite a while ago. He just made my case for me.
oh, absolutely (4.00 / 2)

long time

[ Parent ]
Linky? (4.00 / 1)
Um yeah, I crossed paths with that unit before. Definite troll.

[ Parent ]
linky (4.00 / 2)
dinky

[ Parent ]
Couldn't help myself: (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
me neither: (4.00 / 2)
lynk
by: condo @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 19:33:39 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
And adorable alec uprated it.

(4.00 / 2)
He is a ratfucker.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 14, 2008

at 21:19:04 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
alec? (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Tue Oct 14,

2008 at 21:38:52 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yeah, alec82,
who's as cuddly
as a dehydrated
gremlin (4.00 / 2)
http://www.
dailykos.com/user/
A...
Oh, gack. Ari
Fleisher just got
introduced on The
Daily Show. What
a buffoonatic.
by: trashablanca @
Tue Oct 14, 2008
at 22:21:36 PM
CDT
[ Parent ]
There's
something
wrong
with that
dude.
(4.00 / 2)
http://
www.
dailykos.
com/
story/...
Plus he
uprated
against my

d0nut
earlier
today and
that is THE
major no-
no. Ain't
no quicker
way to
piss me of
than that.
by: ugog
@ Tue Oct
14, 2008
at
22:25:38
PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I think I found another "clever" antisemite troll (4.00 / 2)

xylonjay, the new improved xylon b?
http://www.dailykos.com/user/x...
What do you guys think? If you agree, we should ask for a manual ban.
I don't know the origin of the (4.00 / 2)

"xylon" UN. Sometimes folks use things from popular movies and books
that I'm simply unfamiliar with. Sometimes two people come up with the
same or similar and it doesn't mean a thing. Thus I don't know if "xylon"
could be used by two people innocently? There was nothing in the two
comments which tell me anything so I'm not sure yet.

[ Parent ]
means Zyklon B (4.00 / 2)

probably just too stupid.

[ Parent ]
I mean the unit (4.00 / 2)

not trashy.
is there anything to base it on other than that?

[ Parent ]
Thanks for clearing that up. (4.00 / 2)
I mean the unit not trashy.
by: ugog @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 15:31:14 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
No. I just noticed it and did a google

search (4.00 / 2)
http://www.google.com/search?q...
the correct term is Zyklon B, but it seemed off

to me.


15:35:42 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Um... (4.00 / 2)
How Kos Plans To Destroy Democrats "Stage III"

by: davefromqueens
Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 15:13:59 PM EDT
Obama is working his ass off to unite the Democratic Party so

that we can get things done. This includes brining new people
into the fold, bringing moderate Republicans into the fold,
working with and respecting Hillary's supporters (other than the
PUMAS) etc... But there's one person already planning to
destroy when he doesn't get his way. This comment was in
reference to his goals for 2010.
Stage III (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:gabbardd
primaries for those who violate the public trust.
by kos on Sun Oct 12, 2008 at 06:46:22 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
He made the same threat at Netroots in 2008 and while many

cheered, many also groaned and sighed. The sooner we all
realize he's a toxin who needs to be disassociated from the
Democratic Party, the stronger the Democratic Party will be.
davefromqueens :: How Kos Plans To Destroy Democrats "Stage

III"
Let's be real here.

Barack Obama is going to win by double digits on Election Day
and Democrats are going to gain about 7 Senate seats and 20
House seats partly because of Obama but mostly because of the
failed right wing policies of the past 8 years and McCain being a
cheerleader of those policies.
For the assholes who are saying that I shouldn't be setting the
groundwork necessary to prevent Markos Moulistas from
destroying the Democratic Party, then you are either ignorant or
naive.
Markos Moulistas is a Stalinist. Obama is a pragmatic liberal,

they have little in common with each other.
My goal in 2009 is for things to get done. I know Obama will

navigate the pitfalls to help sign into law meaningful legislation.
Kos is being what he calls a "purity troll" and what I term a
"turnoff troll." If he pulls the crap I think he will try pulling, it
will provide perhaps the only chance Republicans would have of
regaining seats for Congress in 2010. That is why, if Markos
tries to primary a Dem unfairly who doesn't deserve a
meaningful primary, others like me will be there to defend that
Democrat from Stalinist Markos.
Sounds like a threat: (4.00 / 2)
I hope I opened eyes (0.00 / 0)

I deserve criticism for not speaking sooner but I think I opened
up the eyes of many people that previously hadn't seen it.
A neutral person can simply read what I am saying and know I
was telling the truth.
I think my diary "32 Biggest Assholes at Kos" along with the 21

rules of the site inside is another eye opener.

I can't setup an account from my home or work computer b/c

they have that traced but I have had the opportunity to set up
some sockpockets, something I've never done before before
now. They are in for a couple of big surprises and will have no
idea what's coming down the turnpike.
I know the ins and outs of that site like the back of my hand. I
know how to method act and simply adopt a character with a
changed writing style that bears no resemblance to mine. Is
that future troll hunter me? Is that diary on the rec list actually
mine? They'll never know.
by: davefromqueens @ Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 15:55:28 PM CDT
It appears we made a shiddach: (4.00 / 2)

Wow, that asshole is ready for a butterfly net (4.00 / 2)

His "helping Dems win" MUST take second fiddle to destroying his
enemies first. What a fucking loony toon.

[ Parent ]
Barb and I communicated regarding BraveheartDc who

was not a Kos Kop. In those conversations it was
revealed to me that Barb or any other administrator
can unilaterally ban a person, take away rating
privileges or take away the ability to comment. It was
Barb who banned Braveheart for she told me so. (See
she never discusses other users but she was right
here.) It is also true that no other administrator may
overrule another administrator and that the ONLY way
to have a ruling changed is to appeal to Kos himself.
Oh, that email is this
reinstatement at gmail.com

[ Parent ]
wish there was someone to post (4.00 / 2)

that here, the gahmburgler states I have kids.
unless I'm mistaken, the thing that has galvanized this lynch
mob is my referencing this guy's girls, which he and his wife
posted pics and descriptions of daily for a long time.
he doesn't hide who he is, so what's the beef?

[ Parent ]
Gahm is doing the absolutely same fucking thing

dave does. (4.00 / 2)
First they start a war, then they play dirty then they
bitch about you sinking to their level when you hint at
doing the same. Gahm outs condo, declares the war
over and complains when you don't recognize the

truce. dave outs bottles, bitches when called on it and

cries like a baby when I link to his prior UN and a
Randy diary.
I wouldn't have mentioned his children but he's got

nuthin to complain about. BTW, I'm not buying his
concern for his children nor his concubine's either.
There isn't an honest bone in his body. dave and
Gahm are making Greg the cometman look reasonable.

[ Parent ]
Go ahead, make my day. (4.00 / 2)
IDEA (sparked by Hamburgler) for the KOSKOPS

by: Mimzy
Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 20:50:35 PM EDT
Hello all! After reading Hamburgler's diary, "Meta Made My

Head Explode" I was truly appalled to what is condoned over at
the tangerine dream (and yes I blog there, for my own
reasons). So, here is my two cents, in the form of a mission;
cue Mission Impossible music!
Mimzy :: IDEA (sparked by Hamburgler) for the KOSKOPS
Ok, now many of you enjoyed my "Cat-stapo" diary, and in the

spirit of further psychological investigation I offer this plan...
...For a period of two weeks, everyone here and everyone
you can spread this to, we all blatantly and completely
ignore Majorflaw et all!
I got ten bucks that says they don't last 48 hours. (4.00 / 1)
These wankers need a scapegoat to jerk off to obsess on. I'd be happy
to be all that for them, but they are oh so loyal in their misguided hatred.

[ Parent ]
I have to question their sanity. (4.00 / 2)

What would really happen if all of them and all of their friends
were to ignore me? My guess is that the usual folks I talk with
would still be there and we'd prolly have better discussions
without their trollish influence. Do they really think they have
the stroke to freeze me out? That's just delusional. dave and
Randy were concerned with how many people were on their Rec
list. I'm more only concerned with quality.

[ Parent ]

The Usual Gang of Grownups:: October 15, 2008 (Hail Mary Edition)

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by: ugog
McCain is just about done. Nothing he's tried so far has worked and the Username:
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one last, desperate shot at discrediting Obama. His history and his
temperament suggest that he's gonna go ugly but there are risks. Obama Password:
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Famoso116lex (4.00 / 2)
Homophobe and anti semite, the daily double:
you torment me (4.00 / 2)

with hiddens.
just a few more weeks...

[ Parent ]

Sorry: (4.00 / 2)
Idiot! APIAC COCK SUCKER!!!!!!! (0+ /

10-)
YOU COCK SUCKER BECAUSE YOU GAY
NUMBER 1. Number two Barack is no
different than McCain and supports
giving money to israel. As much as I
hate you zionist cock suckers you
should stop building on other peoples
land. YOU COCK SUCKER! kILLING
LITTLE KINDS JUST SO YOUR ZIONIST
CAN EXPAND AND SUCK MORE COCK!
YOU COCK SUCKER!!!!!
by Famoso116lex on Wed Oct 15, 2008

at 10:53:24 AM EDT
I thought you could read hiddens even though you can't

hide?

[ Parent ]
thanks (4.00 / 2)
so - you're saying that you don't agree with
those sentiments?
I sent the link to Barb, fwiw...
by: condo @ Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:35:53 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
Um... (4.00 / 2)
so - you're saying
that you don't agree
with those
sentiments?
I do have a few reservations...
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 15, 2008 at

11:41:02 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
that worked (4.00 / 1)

nicely.

14:12:08 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
HELL, no! (4.00 / 2)

only TUs can see hiddens.
that's why they're called "hiddens."
by: condo @ Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 12:09:52 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
But, but, but, you have special powers! (4.00 / 2)

Teh roolz don't apply to the special 30 assholes! DFQ
said so! Oh, I wonder if last night's trollvasion was part
of DFQ's master[bator] plan. I alluded to it in the
craptacular troll diary.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 11:53:02 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
HR abuse by an (4.00 / 2)
old-timer.
just as clueless as a n00b.
Yup. (4.00 / 2)
Is there something in the water today? I've just been out for a bit
and things are jumping. I"m approx twenty minutes away from
Hofstra and the place is still crawling with cops and stranger-
looking people.

[ Parent ]
davefromqueens --heads up. (4.00 / 2)
my views haven't changed (0.00 / 0)

I'm a Democrat, I support most Democrats, I'm a
centerleft liberal. I support Obama, I will support HRC in
2012 for the Senate b/c she earned my vote back by
helping Obama. I will vote for my Democratic
congressman. I will either vote for the Democratic
nominee for mayor in 2009 or my nephew. (Knowing the
NYC dem establishment, they'll cave in and allow
Bloomberg to run again and nominate another loser)
It would appear that most at this site are clearly way to
the left of me. That's fine. I post in dozens of places
and the only two times I've ever had problems is with
Jerome Armstrong of Mydd and the Kos Kops/Trolls.
Oh that post at Kos with Karl Rove wasn't me. Trust me,
the sockpockets that I have or may have created
will not be detected anytime soon. There are about
20 different types of characters I could play there
and none of them would ever figure it out absent a
tracker. None of these characters will ever criticize
the wolfpack. If one is compelled to comment, it
will be done civilly. (BTW, great idea, I'll give tips
on how to troll the site so they'll think everyone's a
troll and drive more people away)
I also don't believe at all in the word "Demotards" I

think we should be giving the Democrats and Obama the
opportunity to get things done and I believe they will.
With the large majority and the country now moving
leftward, many Dems in swing districts will have freer
consciences and may surprise you now believing their
districts are solidly blue.
Lastly, on my 100 greatest threats to democracy,

DailyKos doesn't make the list. The big threats are the
entire right wing, their republicans, their media outlets,
etc... next comes the DLC. Further down the list comes
Kos, much further down. And please separate most

users of the site. Most people there do care and do want

to make a difference. They just are unaware of the Kos
Kops and the real Markos.
The Democratic Party is thriving and we'd be in the same

exact position today whether Kos existed or not and
whether DK existed or not. Other than Dan Seals, name
1 campaign that has posted there in the last 4 weeks?
All that Kos has left is moderate success with fundraising

and a blog with fewer than 25,000 active users, a
number that will decrease rapidly after the election.
The only threat he poses is to Democrats long time

viability. Right now he's merely a gnat and can simply
be dismissed as all politicians have learned that he's at
best a paper tiger. He's lost all his clout because people
know he's just an asshole, dishonest, and toxin. Plus
he's a poor communicator of liberal values. (Perhaps b/c
he's very illiberal by nature). But let us not be
complacent. If he tries to become a voice of
progressives and liberals, it will be up to other
progressives and liberals to make it clear that Kos does
not speak for them.
by: davefromqueens @ Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 13:33:43

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
(emphasis added)
Why do these trolls have a pathological need to leave clues?
bookmark (4.00 / 2)
just in case
lbbreckenripple abuses ratings again (4.00 / 2)

Yup, I posted a comment there. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
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Kino (4.00 / 2)
Deserves d0nuts for this:
I added corroboration, (4.00 / 2)

after the fact
by: condo @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 10:35:30 AM CDT
Can I get a second for hiding the final comment? (4.00 / 2)

I don't even see a first. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
I hate to dispense d0nuts unless I'm reasonably

(4.00 / 2)
sure the comment will be hidden. Look again.

[ Parent ]
smirking jack cleans dave's clock: (4.00 / 2)
The 27 Real Rules At Daily Kos

by: davefromqueens
Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 14:46:29 PM EDT
This is a handy guide for the real rules at Kos and

Assholes refers to a collection of 32 anti-social misfits
and Stalinists at Kos who serve as turnoff trolls to the
Democractic Party.
I will repost the 32 Assholes separately along with a
diary about how Kos hurts Democrats. (including his
greatest hits, why he's hated, and why he must continue
to be marginalized)
Instead of repeating this over and over, people will be
able to simply link to the 3 diaries. I will delete all
sentences in the intro except the first later on today.
Thus for future reference this will take 10 secs and not
need to be diaried.
davefromqueens :: The 27 Real Rules At Daily Kos
The 27 Real Rules Of Daily Kos

Here they are.
A. There is no actual community moderation at

DailyKos. Only Kos or designees have final say on
whether a comment is permissible.
B. Nobody in the community other than Kos or

designees can trigger an autoban of another user. The
Scoop programs does not have this feature.
C. Any administrator has the power to ban any user for

any reason or no reason at all within 30 seconds. You do
not have to violate any site rules to be banned and you
may violate hundreds of site rules and not be banned.
D. Outing members is an automatic ban and the morally

reprehensible thing to do unless an Asshole does it in
which case the administrator conveniently forgets to
press that ban button.
E. The use of certain words is an automatic HR for

uncivil discourse unless of course an Asshole uses said
word in which case the site does not explicitly ban
cursing. In said case, said comment may be uprated.
F. If you uprate a comment that uses certain words,

that is an HR offense unless an Asshole does it. If you HR
an Asshole who has done it, you have committed ratings
abuse and may have your rating privileges taken away
even though no one Hred you for it.
G. All problems are to be brought to the attention of an

administrator. If your problem is with an Asshole, it will
be ignored. If an Asshole has a problem with you, the
problem will be acted upon as they wish. Welcome to
Franz Kafka's world for if you complain about an asshole,

you are scarlet lettered.
H. You may comment in any diary or thread so long as it

is on topic and civil. Moreover, generally speaking you
should try to avoid contact with people you are having a
conflict with. Thus, if an Asshole disrupts a thread with
uncivil discourse with a user they are having a conflict
with, this is permissible because nobody can tell them
what diaries they can and can't comment on. Likewise, if
you comment civilly in a thread in response to an
Asshole that you are having a conflict with, you are
breaking the rules of the site and should have your
ability to comment taken away.
I. You may not reveal a person's prior screen name. This

is an automatic ban. However, if an Asshole does it, it is
automatic that the person does not get banned.
J. Past comments of any Asshole should never be used

to show the hypocrisy and dishonesty of any Asshole nor
justification for a troll rating. If you do this, you are
playing games and setting up false frames. This can be
an HR offense in and of itself. Of course any Asshole can
drudge up any past comment of yours because context
always matters.
K. You may not uprate comments out of troll alley

unless one of the Assholes is in troll alley. (as has
happened to Major Flaw 25 times)
L. Anyone caught sending private emails urging others

to uprate or troll rate should be banned because these
people need to get a life and are manipulating the
system. However, it is okay for any Asshole to do just
this.
M. Anybody can post at DailyKos. Most are liberal but

even conservatives are welcome so long as they are
polite. But if the Assholes don't like you, you are not
allowed to post at Daily Kos no matter how polite you
are.
N. Personal attacks are strongly discouraged. However,

Assholes are always allowed to engage in personal
attacks. If you point out politely that an asshole is
engaging in a personal attack, you are personally
attacking the asshole. It is also okay for Assholes to
uprate comments that are personal attacks because any
troll rating given to an Asshole was a TR with someone
they were having a conflict with and thus the TR was
inappropriate.
O. You may make substantive criticisms of a Democratic

candidate so long as Kos agrees with this substantive
criticism. Otherwise you are a troll and you may be
purged from the site.
P. You may not hide posts merely for disagreeing with

the commenter. This is ratings abuse. Assholes are
exempt from this rule.
Q. You may not troll rate someone you are having an

active fight with. However, any Asshole can do just this
merely because the comment deserves a troll rating not
the user.
R. You may not give positive ratings to people having

fights in the comments section unless of course you are
an Asshole in which case said uprates are always
appropriate because someone is picking on the Asshole.

S. Only Assholes can give retaliatory troll ratings.

Anyone else who does so loses his or her ratings
privileges.
T. Daily Kos is a reality based community defined only

by the surreal world of the Assholes which is anything
but reality. Their purpose is to drive 95% of Democrats
away from the site. They are succeeding.
U. You may not enter a diary with the primary purpose

of disrupting and inciting the thread. Kos rules state that
this is the key definition of a troll and that it always
warrants a HR. However, any Asshole who deliberately
enters a diary with the purpose to disrupt or incite should
never be Hred because they have a right to comment in
any diary.
V. An Asshole may always "TR for personal attack" and

then engage in worse personal attacks either minutes
before or minutes after.
W. If you point out that an Asshole has outed

someone's real name you may be warned for "following
another member around" but the Asshole will remain a
member in good standing.
X. Giving HR ratings to any Asshole is an abuse of

ratings privilege. They are always unjustified even if you
cite the exact rule. In fact you will be given a "TR for
ratings abuse" in return which of course is not
retaliatory.
Y. You should not give HR ratings to anyone you are in a

personal conflict with. However, if an Asshole gives an
HR to someone they are in conflict with, this is
permissible because they were just HRing the individual
comment.
Z. It is always ratings abuse to HR an individual

comment merely because of the user. However, any
Asshole who HRs such a comment may do so for he or
she is Hring "in context" of the history of the user.
AA. Not all viewpoints, even if shared by the majority of

elected Democrats, may be discussed at DailyKos. The
rule that you may discuss any issue related to Democrats
so long as you do so civilly and politely does not apply in
this case because it does not apply in this case.
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The 27 Real Rules At Daily Kos | 2 comments
If these rules seem Stalinist (0.00 / 0)
well that is because they are.
by: davefromqueens @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 13:47:40
PM CDT
Stalin banned people from his blog? (0.00 / 0)
Bad Stalin!
I love everybody.
by: Jack's Smurfing Revenge @ Thu Oct 16, 2008 at
17:22:34 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

smirking jack rears his ugly head: (0.00 / 0)

October 16, 2008 (You've been a good old wagon Daddy, but you done
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do we know (4.00 / 2)
who the smirker was before he was banned?

Do we know that smirking jack, under that or (4.00 / 2)

any other name was in fact banned before? I would have sent it in last night but
was unsure.

[ Parent ]
Looks like that is a yes. (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/J...
Care to send it to your favorite admin?

[ Parent ]
Kino is back: (4.00 / 2)

have we reviewed (4.00 / 2)

this diary...?
Yup, that's him. (4.00 / 2)

Wonder how long it will take admins to provide an escort.
Good catch.

[ Parent ]
And it's done. (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/W...

[ Parent ]
Dumber than fucking tree stumps, I tells ya. (4.00 / 2)

While celebrating my being smacked down in smirking jack's
diary:

Archangel M links to this screen capture--which conveniently

has his real name on the frikking account.
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...

[ Parent ]
it also has (4.00 / 2)

a window open entitled "Deep in Cream #1: Cindy"
might be embarrassing, I don't know

[ Parent ]
And condo wins the Grand Prize. (4.00 /

2)
Google is your friend. Guess what file (s) he
was downloading?
http://www.videobox.com/conten...
Might wanna bookmark that. Dumber than

tree stumps.
Really good catch. I missed that completely.
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 14:17:26 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
seems wholesome enough

(4.00 / 2)
but really, really, really dumb.
and very funny.


14:24:06 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Nothing illegal there but

a convenient thing
(4.00 / 2)
to throw in someone's face
if needed. Extremely
fucking careless on his part
nice of him to give that to
us.
And now I am outta here

for a few.
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 17,

2008 at 14:32:47 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
bookmark that? (4.00 / 2)

you mean his screen cap?
that wouldn't be any good if he

realized what he done and deletes it,
though.
I pwn that image, now.

14:53:02 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
He ain't a gonna realize

it until one of us (4.00 /
2)
rubs his nose in it in public.
by: ugog @ Fri Oct 17,

2008 at 21:40:12 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
thought about

that (4.00 / 2)
but the longer it
takes, the better it
is, seeing as how
we saw it within
moments. let's let
it be up for as long
as it takes...?
alternatively, he
may twig and take
it down. if we
announce it, his
pals get to see it -
maybe. depends
on who sees it
first.
thought of sending
an anonymous tip
to him, letting him
know it's now out
there,
permanently. also.
by: condo @ Fri

Oct 17, 2008 at
21:52:18 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Too late.
(4.00 / 1)
MBNYC
noticed it
too.
http://
www.
dailykos.
com/
commen...
by: ugog
@ Sat
Oct 18,

2008 at
10:21:58
AM CDT
[ Parent ]
linky linky (4.00 / 2)

bo-binky

[ Parent ]
Me too: (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
bottles joins the (4.00 / 2)

fray
Here's a low profile troll (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/b...
worth keeping an eye on and dropping the appropriate hydrates.
by: trashablanca @ Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:52:45 AM CDT
Sockpuppet time (5.00 / 1)

I've been gathering emails and creating the accts.
I figure about 12 will do. All will comment at computers I've never been
before.
3 will go for the jugular and expose dirty truths early. (computers A)
4 will get along and go undetected for years. (computers B)
2 will act like Kos Kops. I'll be troll rating you in due course and troll
rating 1 of my other accounts.

the other 3 will contribute and then "GBCW."
Since the site obviously allows sockpockets, why not?
This is going to be a lot of fun.

by: davefromqueens @ Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:33:25 PM CDT
Gawd, how fucking mature (4.00 / 2)

I thought that shitstick was integral in supporting the Democratic party. What a
WATB maroon.

[ Parent ]
Gotta wonder whether anyone upstairs (4.00 / 2)

has noticed how seamlessly dave has transitioned into a sewer rat. He
appears comfortable there and completely at home with the other
scumbags. He appears to be on a mission to restore whatever credibility
I may have lost while fighting him. Can't wait for the next time
kestrel9000 or Pager get in my face ;-)
Gonna see Mark Russell tonight. Looking forward to that too.

[ Parent ]
I hope you have a good time (4.00 / 2)

Me, I'm gonna hang out with Olbermann, Maddow and Maher.

[ Parent ]
I'm gonna (4.00 / 2)

go see "Morning Light" with the gantse mishpachah
(the whole family)

[ Parent ]
comedic gold (4.00 / 2)

the reposting of the creamy, self-outing screen-cap, in its own little diary, highlighting it,
as it were.
one of them is gonna notice; he'll take it down.
then, maybe someone will let him know that it's not gone forever?
certainly, stranger things happen, all the time.
Check out Sarah Palin's Oval Office (4.00 / 2)

don't be such pervs! http://www.palinaspresident.us/
what do you suppose (4.00 / 1)

this portends?
and have you met whinetraub?



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movie was great (4.00 / 2)

brand-new theater, too, very nice.
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Proud to be a scumbag: (4.00 / 2)

And dave responds: (4.00 / 2)
What Major Flaw doesn't understand (0.00 / 0)

Well besides everything is the following:
1. I think 90% of people at DailyKos, if not
more, are good people. I won't call them
scumbags merely b/c Kos permits Flaw to speak
for the site. I understand that in life the idea is
to broaden the Tent, not kick everybody out
whimsically. That's why, although nowhere
near the level of Obama, I can bring
independents, republicans, and new voters into
the Democratic fold in life while staying true to
my progressive principles and values. Flaw in
life and on the Internet has the exact opposite
effect, not only can't he attract a single
independent or republican or new voter, he
drives a wedge among Democrats to the point
where many of those Democrats would stay
home and help elect the Republican before
supporting a candidate aligned with him.

2. My tips for trolling is done with the ultimate

purpose to expose the actual trolling of the site,
which is Major Flaw and his ilk of Thoughtpolice
who spend too much time driving away
progressive Democrats, moderate democrats
and liberal democrats who Democrats need to
win elections. Kos owns Flaw and Chiropractor
Bottles.
3. Dave is actually comfortable in most

settings. Dave can get along with most people
in life. Dave can hang at the Waldorf or a dive
bar and get along. Dave can hang with the CEO
or the minimum wage clerk and get along. So
Dave can post some things here exposing DK
and get along. Dave also got along with
everybody at DailyKos with 1 exception,
MajorFlaw's trolls.
4. If Markos did the following:

A. Ban and condemn Flaw and his ilk
B. Take away Laura's FPer status and condemn
her racism
C. Listen to the legitimate grievances
D. Apologize to the tens of thousands of
legitimate Democrats the turnoff trolls have
driven from the site and reinstate them all,
then 90% of his problems involving the site go
away tomrrow.
5. What would help Obama seal the deal?

Would it be inviting Markos to a rally? NO, that
would make the race a dead heat. Hmmm,
perhaps video at McPalin rallies with white
supremacists and abortion clinic bombers out
there supporting McPalin? Hmmm I wonder
who would put their life and limb on the line to
go into such an environment and gather that
info on video? Would it be DFQ the real
Democrat or Major Flaw the turnoff troll? I
guess we'll have to stay tuned.
6. Dave is working on other projects, including

a website, helping Obama, and my busy
schedule in life.
7. As for the progressive netroots, I will give

credit to Kos for the technology, for knowing
how to set up an infrastructure, and for creating
a site where money can be raised for
candidates. These are positives. He's laid some
groundwork that, if in the right hands, could be
a force of great good. (And conversely if in the
wrong hands, destroy Democrats)
Simultaneously, I recognize the serious danger

Kos poses to progressives and how he's the
Left's version of Karl Rove and will do to
Democrats EXACTLY what Rove has done to the
Republican brand IF he ever moved up several
more spots in the pecking order.
Obama is ahead partly b/c he distanced himself

from the likes of Kos. You are more likely to
find Jeremiah Wright on stage next to Obama in
the next 2 weeks than you would Markos.
Obama and Plouffe recognize that Markos is a
toxin too although they won't object publicly too
loudly b/c of the money that can be raised at
DK.
by: davefromqueens @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 at
08:37:40 AM CDT


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Election2008USA (4.00 / 2)
This dude is on crack:



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"World Series Birth?" (4.00 / 2)

they were born yesterday?
Whaddya want, it's TBS. (4.00 / 2)

At least last night they covered the entire game.

[ Parent ]
jazz, anyone...? (4.00 / 2)

Bummer. james risser, a guy I thought was unjustly banned (4.00 /

2)
is now a member of FSZ: http://www.freespeechzoneblog....
Agreed. (4.00 / 2)
Very disappointed to see him there.

[ Parent ]
same (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Poor dfq isn't getting quite the adulation (4.00 / 2)

his delusions of grandeur demand.
that's one funny fucking thread, imho eom (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Folks are getting tired of his act--even in the new

sewer: (4.00 / 2)
Now I am my own toughest critic but in

this case I am celebrating. This was a
job well done. (And TY to the others
involved.)
dave is gonna end up a hunchback from patting himself

so often.

[ Parent ]
That didn't take long: (4.00 / 2)
... (5.00 / 1)
Noun 1. delusions of grandeur - a delusion
(common in paranoia) that you are much
greater and more powerful and influential than

you really are

delusion, psychotic belief - (psychology) an
erroneous belief that is held in the face of
evidence to the contrary
megalomania - a psychological state
characterized by delusions of grandeur
i was kicked off dkos before it was cool.

by: howardx @ Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 13:48:07
PM CDT

[ Parent ]
Richard Nixon (4.00 / 2)

I kid thee not:
Follow that thread... (4.00 / 2)

I just posted some Zappa.

[ Parent ]
Here's a real dim bulb troll (4.00 / 2)

Shouldn't last too long, I hope.
Yup. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
cruel, (4.00 / 2)
taunting me like that.
not too long left, I hope...

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Tough to watch but worth it. (4.00 / 2)

strongly agree (4.00 / 2)

thanks.
wow.

[ Parent ]
There are few folks I've been missing lately. (4.00 /

2)
Abbie Hoffman for one. Once the initial furor over his
reappearance had dimmed he was reduced to making
appearances on the Howard Stern show--where Howard
kinda made fun of him. My feeling was that he chose to
depart due to feeling irrelevant. He never saw the shrub
and I know he would have had some relevant things to
say and do.
There's no question Zappa would as well. I saw him in

approx 1987-88 during his "Broadway, The Hardway"
tour. In addition to doing the stuff on the album he did
some pointed Beatles parodies. The one I remember was
his version of "I Am The Walrus", polished up for Jimmy
Swaggart--who had recently been found consorting with
whores. (PP, not quote):
Picture yourself in a ten buck motel

room
With a five dollar hooker looking like
crud
There in the corner, obscured by the
cobwebs
Sits Jimmy Swaggart pulling his pud
Louisiana hooker with herpes...
I left there that evening thinking that if I were Swaggart,

Robertson, etc. Frank Zappa was the most dangerous
man in America. Damn, he would have nailed the current
scumbags.

[ Parent ]
a-fucking-men (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 11:12:17 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
I shared that with my friend zeke7237 (4.00 / 2)

his reply:
wow
tnx
plus - he's going to find a new urologist today.

[ Parent ]
K-9 playing kos kop (4.00 / 2)

Interesting that he's hardly posting, but two of his comments are about
decorum and moderation.
reprinted:
he is fired. Her opponent has funds, she - none. (0+ / 8-)
Hidden by:
Meteor Blades, catfood, cowgirl, FishBiscuit, Brad007, zizi, Cleopatra,
Lauren S
I suck her clitoris yet deny her satisfaction. She represents nothing. She
will retire to oblivion and disgrace.
Russ Feingold: cooler than Batman.
by yojimbo on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53:57 PM PDT
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*
* [new] Whoa (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
MajorFlaw, kestrel9000, Cali Techie, Brad007, zizi, Cleopatra
Way over the line.
John McCain | John McCain
by Lauren S on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:30:09 AM PDT

*
* [new] Nasty visual there (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
mattman, housesella, MajorFlaw, kestrel9000, zizi, Lauren S
Dude, you've got issues!
Conservatives are close-minded, shallow, superficial people that live in

a fantasy world where everything is black and white and there are NO
shades of gray.
by Brad007 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:55:58 AM PDT

*
* [new] Totally uncalled for. (5+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
mattman, MajorFlaw, kestrel9000, zizi, Lauren S
"There are some things I don't understand. I don't understand how we

ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11." - Next
POTUS Obama

by Cleopatra on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 02:20:00 AM PDT

*
* [new] ewwwwwwww (0+ / 0-)
sex with Republicans is a non starter.

So's that comment.
John McCain is a dishonorable, lying shitbag who is unfit to be

President. Of ANYTHING.
by kestrel9000 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 06:59:40 AM PDT

*
* [new] Eww. There are drawbacks to TU (0+ / 0-)
I can't stand the woman, but what you said is sick.
8.38, 7.49
by papercut on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 08:54:34 AM PDT
Jeebus, downgraded again to #5 (4.00 / 2)

Guess who's becoming the biggest asshole at FSZ?
The 33 Biggest Assholes at Daily Kos
1. Markos himself - The Ann Coulter of the Left. Stalinist, dishonest,

defends Laura Clawson's racism, was actually born in Chicago, homophobic,
rejected by Obama, once called Obama right wing, infamous for "screw
them" comment about 4 Americans killed in Iraq.
2. Major Flaw - Ultimate turnoff troll and big time jackass. Dishonest, no
integrity, no life.
3. Bottles/voila/condoleaser - Sick, mentally ill, make no "bones" about it.
4. Dr. Laura/Miss Laura - The Laura Schlessinger of the Left but known by
5 people not 5 million. Liar, racist (2007 Yearly Kos), Obama basher,
attacked a woman over a dying husband, nasty, totally lacking a
conscience.
5. Trashablanca - Trash. Pure trash. Another turnoff troll.
6. Taylormattd - "The Cunt." Another turnoff troll.
7, Musing85 - Complete jerk, dishonest, nasty. another turnoff troll.
8. PaintyKat - A nasty turnoff troll.
9. Fairy Tale - A nasty turnoff troll, chickenshit.
10. Dhinmi - Dana Houle, troll. Now hated by entire Democratic
establishment in New Hampshire. May be singlehandedly reelecting Chris
Shays in a district Obama will carry by 20.
11. Clonecone - Nasty turnoff troll.
12. ShaneHensinger - A left wing nut. His Royal Assness.
13. TeCampbell - Passive/Aggressive Stalinist. Turnoff troll. Jerk.
14. MBNYC - He likes his sig line.
15. Ahianne - Another obnoxious turnoff troll.
16. Elise - Turnoff troll.
17. Sofia - Turnoff troll.
18. vcmvo - Turnoff troll.
19. Bythesea - Turnoff troll.
20. Als10 - He's a lower level version of Neidermeyer in Animal House. A
Thought Nazi.

21. AndySInColorado - Turnoff troll. Little weenie.

22. Dadanation - Reliable uprater for jerks.
23. Miss Blue - Nasty turnoff troll
24. McFly - another wolfpack jerk.
25. LaurenS - Same as mcfly.
26. BouwerieBoy - Another tool looking to belong to a group for the first
time in his life.
27. Karl Rover - Kostapo.
28. Fcvaguy - Just a jerk.
29. Blueness - Turnoff troll.
30. Yoshimi - A tool.
31. Willb48 - Another wolfpack tool.
32. ImpeachkingbushII - same as Will.
33. Hardhat Democrat - Another turnoff troll.
I just read that thread. (4.00 / 2)

Even the pffters are getting bored.

[ Parent ]
lost my camera (4.00 / 2)

a week or two ago, so I just shopped a bit and bought one of these -
should fill the bill.
going to Catoctin this weekend, shall play my fingertips off.
8 MPs in such a small package? (4.00 / 2)

Wow, that does look useful.

[ Parent ]
that ain't all, (4.00 / 2)

the image stabilization is great, the pics and movies look
great, and it's pocket-sized, so is always there when you
want it.

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the color box (4.00 / 2)

isn't done with crayons.
OK, how do you do that? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
I went to (4.00 / 2)
this diary, viewed the page source and copied html. it don't
work here, though.

[ Parent ]
saw the Allmans (4.00 / 2)

just a few weeks ago.
they were good - but Derek ain't no Duane, by a long shot.
Nobody is Duane. (4.00 / 2)

I've seen them several times over the years, although not recently. You

can't replace Duane with anyone and expect the same results. The best
lineup I've seen had "Dangerous" Dan Toler playing lead--and thoroughly
cutting Dickey B. The first record I bought myself almost forty years ago
was "Fillmore East." BTW, if you haven't heard "Atlanta Pop" it's even
better. They kinda snuck that one in under the radar a few years ago. If
you want a copy--just let me know.

[ Parent ]
I have a recording (4.00 / 2)

made either the night before or the night after "Live at Fillmore
East" was recorded - it was just for industry insiders and
friends. It's great.
yes, I'd love a disc of that other - what was the source?

[ Parent ]
Approx six months before the Fillmore concerts

(4.00 / 2)
were recorded the Allmans appeared at a local festival
in Atlanta. http://music.barnesandnoble.co...
Really great stuff.
I have a recording made either the

night before or the night after "Live
at Fillmore East"
I'm seeing the outlines of a deal here.

[ Parent ]
yeah! (4.00 / 2)
great stuff. nice sound clips there.
by: condo @ Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 08:36:37

AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Stop by and show Tom some love: (4.00 / 2)

Batman/Penguin debate mirrors RW tactics (4.00 / 2)

It's eerie.
"My pictures show me surrounded by whom--the police" (4.00 / 2)

Yup. Too fucking funny.

[ Parent ]
lbreckenripple (4.00 / 2)
Number 5 ought to be #2 (4.00 / 2)

what a POS that one is. Now that the diary is deleted, lbreckentroll
doesn't show up using not ntroll, ya gotta use hidden comments to find
his hiddens.

[ Parent ]
Did you intend to uprate him here: (4.00 / 1)

Looks like a software glitch.

[ Parent ]
Nope. Thanks. (4.00 / 2)

Prolly just not paying enough attention.

CDT
[ Parent ]
Number 5 can also be TRed for his (4.00 / 2)

contributions down that thread.

[ Parent ]
you develop a second sense (4.00 / 1)

I saw this, went there, saw uprates on HRs - and knew who it would be.

[ Parent ]
I'm seeing waay too many Yes on H8 signs (4.00 / 2)

On Hwy 138 I passed a woman's home who advertises herself as a real estate
agent and a notary public. She had four Yes on H8 signs on the berm just off the
highway. I ran over the first one. On purpose.
Ya missed a couple, go back. (4.00 / 2)

Could someone explain to me what the deal is? I understand that Pubs

sell hate and anti gay hate is about the only semi respectable variety
left. But why the fuck is anyone buying it? If gay people are able to
marry is there gonna be a sea of straight guys leaving their wives for a
dude? I dunno, folks. I'm closer to a half century than I wish to cop to
and I haves a pretty good idea who the enemy is--and it ain't gay
people. Seems to me that the real haters are guys who are worried
about themselves. I've calculated the cost of gay marriage to me
personally and between gifts and etc. I think I can bring it in under 2K--
unless an unexpected number of couples choose to go formal. For 2K I
can be a sport--let them get married.
Really, from my POV it isn't up to gay people to explain why they

deserve equal rights, it's up to the haters to explain why they don't.
While there have been occasions when I would have preferred that a pro
or anti gay proposal was not on the ballot the anti gay garbage is an
insult to my intelligence. Really, this is bullshit.

[ Parent ]
You nailed the heart of it. (4.00 / 2)
Really, from my POV it isn't up to gay people

to explain why they deserve equal rights, it's
up to the haters to explain why they don't.
If I changed sigs ever, I'd steal this in a heartbeat.

[ Parent ]
In my own addled mind gay still puzzles me

(4.00 / 2)
but I'm very aware of my own limitations and I
appreciate scientific observation, and teh gay is
ubiquitous for @ 10% of any given population, across
species. Your results may vary.

CDT
[ Parent ]
Far as I can tell, somewhere between 10

and 15 % (4.00 / 2)
of all humanoids born are gay. That isn't just
true now it has been true forever. Which
would appear to dispense with the argument
that "gay" isn't normal or natural.
In my own addled mind gay

still puzzles me
Gonna shoot straight here. There is a couple

I know, reg'lar M/F couple. They are quite
normal in most regards but they do
something I consider weird--from time to
time they strap a parachute on their backs
and jump out of airplanes. I don't like
heights, flying or falling so what they do
strikes me as extremely weird. But other
than that they are quite decent people. They
know my concerns and thus have never tried
to get me to join them. I'll never really
understand why anyone would jump out of a
plane unless it were in imminent danger of
crashing but otherwise they're really solid
people.
Free will and determinism. Much of what we

think of as choices are really just a reflection
of what we were born with. Weird story:
One of my classmates in junior high school

was quite a hottie--at least I thought so.

That part is irrelevant. She and her brother
were adopted. (Yikes, I just did the research
on this and it ain't a gonna end well)
Her brother attended college in upstate NY.

After he left, another dude who looked
exactly like him attended the same college
and folks noticed the resemblance. Bottom
line is that they were brothers. When their
story was published a third brother was
found. The point here is that, growing up
independently they had an awful lot of similar
habits and tastes, down to the brand of
cigarettes they smoked. No coordination
there, just what they were born with. Isn't
one of our progressive values accepting
people as they are.
I started this comment with one thing in mind

but finding that Eddie nuked himself has
changed my mood.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 23:29:35

PM CDT
[ Parent ]
good point, dickhead .. . .

kidding . . . . . (4.00 / 2)
FOF here. Figger it out, schleps.
TBTATHTF, lol!
yng. dmb,foc.
D...U...H

2008 at 23:36:26 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Don't mind the

"dickhead" part... (4.00 /
2)
shit, I've been called worse
by my own mother. But I
can't interpret all the
initials. Hows about
spelling it out?

2008 at 23:39:08 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
fof = falling on
the floor (4.00 /
2)
TBTATHTF = to
bite to aerate to
hold the floor, I
think.
by: condo @ Wed

Oct 22, 2008 at
23:45:09 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
ya (4.00 / 2)
any idea how or why you're wired
the way you are? I don't think
there's any "understanding" it, it's

just sorta the way it is. sometimes

it's the other way. can't understand
it the same way.
I was pretty weird when I was

growing up; real smart, ADHD, mild
Asperger's. My Dad was mostly an
ass, had little to do with me, and
boys my age rejected me. that left
my two sisters, my mom, and girls.
these were my peeps, growing up.
as a consequence, I think I'm
different from a lot of men in that I
relate to women as kind of the same
species, while most men relate to
them as more of the "other."
when I began to have sexuality,

about age fourteen, I never had a
question about my orientation, and
never needed to stick to boy stuff: I
could cook, clean, sew, knit, etc.
without any sense of gender stuff at
all.
in college, I had a slew of gay

friends, one during the time he was
finding it out, and found I had a
great admiration and respect for
them, for being how they had to be
to get by in this world - and I wasn't
afraid of them.
but I'm pretty certain we're wired

from the git-go with whichever.

23:43:07 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
yup. from the get - go.

(4.00 / 1)
Wired, I mean.
Yup.
by: trashablanca @ Wed

Oct 22, 2008 at 23:58:00
PM CDT
[ Parent ]
I'm a little wired

now, m'self
(4.00 / 2)
but off to bed.
ta.
by: condo @ Wed

Oct 22, 2008 at
23:59:30 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
Um... (4.00 / 2)
any idea
how or
why
you're

wired the
way you
are?
No clue. I just woke up one

day between the age of ten
and twelve and found that
my previous dismissal of
girls had been a bit hasty.
A gay fellow I know once
explained himself to me by
asking the question, "Do
you remember waking up
and finding yourself
attracted to females? Well,
that's what happened to me
only it was males." KInda
hard to argue with that.
I guess my attitude really

changed during the 1980s
when gay men were getting
sick and dying in
unconscionable numbers.
My father's Army bud from
Savannah's son, my intern's
older brother, several
clients. It was no longer
possible to ignore the
tragedy and blame it on a
lifestyle choice. It was ugly
as hell and simple human
decency required a
response.
I relate to
women as
kind of
the same
species,
while
most men
relate to
them as
more of
the
"other."
Um, strong women,

particularly strong older
women tend to be my
closest allies. Of course at
a certain point I run into the
George Burns problem.
when I
began to
have
sexuality,
about age
fourteen,
I never
had a
question
about my
orientation
Exactly, I never asked the

question. Probably
intellectual laziness on my
part but it seemed kinda
obvious. If something is

working why fix it.
and I
wasn't
afraid of
them.
What's to be afraid of. Two

legends I've found to be
true are Southern
hospitality and gaydar. Gay
guys know I'm straight and
it isn't a problem for them.
They aren't looking to meet
me, they're looking to meet
other gay guys. I'd like to
tell you about a couple of
gay guys who got the wrong
impression until I had to
beat the shit out of them
but I'm not that good a
creative writer. Never had
an issue. Perhaps the
reason I never ran into a
gay guy who was after my
ass is that I'm an ugly SOB;
perhaps it's because I
never went looking for one.
Either way this isn't an
issue for me.
There's a Miss Laura I've

known since birth. My
uncle is a dentist--my
dentist--and Laura has run
his office for more than
forty years. She stepped
into a pothole approx
twenty years ago and was
unable to work for more
than a year. She wasn't
replaced, she couldn't be
replaced. When Laura and
her SO wanted to adopt a
child I had no problem
doing the legal work. In six
months you can call their
adopted Vietnamese son,
"Doctor". Far as I can tell
being raised by a gay
couple hasn't hurt him one
bit. I'm going off the tracks
here so I'll stop. But
there's much more...
I'm pretty
certain
we're
wired
from the
git-go
with
whichever.
Ayup. Never gave it a

moment's thought. As FZ
has said, "You are what you
is."
by: ugog @ Thu Oct 23,

2008 at 00:32:44 AM CDT

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"I hurt myself today, to see if I could still feel." (4.00 / 2)

That man knew he was dying.
yes. (4.00 / 2)
what an incredible, unique man.
here's a pic of him and my friend Mitch, long ago

[ Parent ]
Nice. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
How low can the sewer go? (4.00 / 2)

Revisionist just posted a "diary" that has three nude pics of Obama's
mother.
Are you fucking kidding me? (4.00 / 2)

I'm speechless.

[ Parent ]
Forgot the link (4.00 / 2)

by: trashablanca @ Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 14:01:29 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
No, you weren't. (4.00 / 2)

Um, geez is there no bottom. What scumbags.

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bottles (4.00 / 1)
smackdown!

Opie! (4.00 / 2)
the whole thing: (4.00 / 2)


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Excellent. (4.00 / 2)
But what what's the deal with that commercial solicitation? Never
seen that in a Youtube before.

[ Parent ]
dunno, (4.00 / 2)
didn't see it, no time to watch the entire thing - rushing
to get ready to race off for the weekend -
have a good'un!

[ Parent ]
So the 20 yo college GOP fraudette . . . (4.00 / 2)

Her pic reminds me of the Senator's daughter, Catherine, in Silence of the Lambs,
only with major ickiness added.
Seriously funny shit: (4.00 / 2)

Yup. NBC had it up fast, last night (4.00 / 2)

and it's definately worth watching again.

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to me if they make the info public (0.00 / 0)

For example, DailyKos lists the names of almost all of
their front pagers. Thus to me any of them are fair
game with the exception being personal information such
as their address, workplace, etc... There are 2 fpers
whose real names are not listed. Thus to me that info is
NOT fair game.
It is fair game to say that Markos lives in Berkeley b/c he
has said so publicly. However, his personal address is
NOT fair game.
The grayer area is users who out people's real names.

MajorFlaw tried outing me in a sly kind of way in
one of his posts but since I don't think many
people picked up on the clue which would lead you
to all my personal info, I won't highlight the post.
MajorFlaw has outed cometman and randgrithr and

Bottles crossed a big line. Thus, in THEIR cases, they
would deserve being outed at DailyKos in my view and
again don't be surprised if Bottles/condoleaser's true
story ends up on the rec list in the form of trojan
dolphin. He's made way too many enemies for it NOT to
happen. However, someone like trash, ahianne, or
Fainty would not deserve such treatment for to my
knowledge they've never outed someone.

The other criteria is the O'reilly standard. To me,

O'Reilly and his producers are all fair game as are
Hannity and Mark Levin. Levin outed my real name at
his website with links provided and then encouraged
people to go stalk me in public. So would Bob Johnson
of Page 6 of the NY Post and Rupert Murdoch for they out
people. They are fair game to me.
As for Brit Hume, Chris Wallace, or other dunderheads at

Faux, they would NOT be fair game b/c to my knowledge
they've never outed people or encouraged it.
I understand those who like to be "pure" by saying that it

is always wrong but I respectfully disagree. For those
who out others like Flaw, Bottles, BillOh, Insanity, Levin,
Johnson, and Murdoch, they DESERVE it.
by: davefromqueens @ Sat Oct 25, 2008 at 21:19:24 PM

CDT
But I will:
Definitely a pffter. (1+ / 0-)

Send my regards to ---- the cometman, smirking jack
and dhw.
by MajorFlaw on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:05:29 PM EDT
got the link (4.00 / 2)

for that?

[ Parent ]
Sure: (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
whoa momma (4.00 / 2)

Derek and the Dominoes, Johhny and Carl, playing "Matchbox" - wow
goddamn.
I got to see that a few months back on PBS (4.00 / 2)

the same show had Joni Mitchell and Neil Young when they were
babies. Neil did The Needle and the Damage Done, iirc. Johnny's
shows had exceptional moments to be treasured.

[ Parent ]
PBS! (4.00 / 2)
they've got this poll going around about Palin? You know?
and you gotta vote in it!

Lessee, I got the link here, somewhere...

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The Usual Gang of Grownups:: October 27, 2008.

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ugog :: October 27, 2008.

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October 27, 2008. | 14 comments
Film Doctor (4.00 / 2)

Blatant troll. Just a matter of time--and it shouldn't take long.
Abortion Kills Babies, Especially Black Babies! (0+ / 4-)

Abortion kills babies, and it kills a disproportionate
number of black babies.
Barack Obama is a racist who supports baby killers.
He supports Planned Parenthood, which has been guilty

of proptecting rapists and pedophiles who prey on young
teenage women.
That makes Obama a sexist hypocrite. Don't listen to his

smooth talk; he's like a used car salesman trying to get
you to buy a lemon.
His economic, tax, and spending policies will hurt the

economy. His words are already making the economic
situation worse; they are scaring hard-working
businesspeople and investors. They will eventually
increase unemployment. Why work hard to make more
money and hire more people if you're going to be taxed
by Obama to pay for some lazy poor person's beer tab?

thanks for the funny! (4.00 / 2)

bottles' reg date: 7/30/08...waiting...

[ Parent ]
Just a couple of days then. (4.00 / 2)

We oughta expect that once you resume your TU duties
the proverbial shit will hit the archetypal fan amongst
sewer dwellers. Just a heads up.

[ Parent ]
Asher Heimerman (4.00 / 2)

No biggie with him, just more of the same self promotion:
Just wanted to point out that the search function here and what we had in
the archives was quite useful. If you read the thread you may wonder
why the title of this comment isn't "Pager."
trashablanca is of the opinion that Asher (4.00 / 2)

is a douchebag in training. trashablanca would like to insult the
little prick and make said prick cry. trashablanca should feel
ashamed of this un-PC thoughts, but he isn't in the least.

[ Parent ]
Oh, and trashablanca voted "no" (4.00 / 2)

in the lil douchebag's opoll.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 18:28:01 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
bottles did the same goddam thing! (4.00 /

2)
heh
by: condo @ Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 19:05:55 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
From what I hear MajorFlaw did

the same. (4.00 / 2)
The best take on Asher was the
comment Uncle Cosmo posted to dave:
I think I understand
why you leapt to
Asher's defense:
You're both
shameless self-

promoters who love

to grandstand. It's as
if you were standing
up for your younger
self.
Tou-fucking-che.
by: ugog @ Mon Oct 27, 2008 at

19:30:28 PM CDT
[ Parent ]
diary (4.00 / 2)
containing Hannity and flaws.
I don't think that's dave. (4.00 / 2)

Up until the last minute he really believed he was gonna emerge
triumphant and thus didn't create his socks.
BTW, I just had a short power failure. Another may be in the

works. If I don't post tomorrow's thread:
1. I'm fine
2. One of y'all do it for me.

[ Parent ]
I busted AndyatKos for mojo slurping (4.00 / 2)

and Meteor Blades rec'ed it. I'll never clean my keyboard again! http://
www.dailykos.com/commen...
Something freaking brilliant. (4.00 / 2)
My favorite musical version is Lennon's but this sends chills.

Agreed. (4.00 / 2)
They played a slightly longer version at Ben E King's 70th B'day.
Alas, that was only the beginning...

[ Parent ]
amazing (4.00 / 2)
sofa king great.
thanks!

[ Parent ]
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Thanks to all those who gave me throwaway emails to

create all those accounts. That's the beauty of public
libraries. And thanks to the dozens of you who have
helped setup sockpockets at Kos to help do what Markos
wants done, which is to turnoff Democrats, engage in
name calling, and out people's real names and stories
(Bottles/condoleaser your time is coming you sick little
f*ck. You just don't know which day it will be but your
entire story will appear on the Rec list a mile high at
DailyKos.) Markos also defends racists like Laura
KKKlawson so tough shit on the little Stalinist.
Let's remember our ground rules for trolling.
You can create many kinds of trolls and many of you are
doing it perfectly.
1. You can be a KosKop. Just work your way into the
crowd, say nice things about them, and criticize a few
outrageous comments. Once you criticize a few at a

time (do it slowly) they will trust you more and then you
work your way in. Then turn people off more and more
and go after a legitimate Democrat from time to time.
2. You can act as if you know a lot about the site, a little
about the site or nothing about the site. It does not
matter. All are effective covers.
3. Feign enthusiasm. Be real excited. Be real involved.

Then slowly start getting "frustrated" with the site and
GBCW gradually.
4. Play concern troll but do not spew republican talking

points.
5. Change your writing style if you've posted in the past.

Pick succinct, overuser of commas, conjunctive king,
long winded, fancy words, etc...
This is method acting. Pick a character and stay in

character. You can be male or female, old or young,
educated or uneducated. And you can go undetected for
years although if you are one of the trojan dolphins who
will post a story telling the truth about Bottles/
condoleaser, telling about MajorFlaw's personal life,
listing 10 facts about Markos, highlighting the racism or
Dr. Laura KKKlawson, reposting the 27 rules of DK or
reposting the 33 Assholes, then all you need to do is lay
low, find a breaking news story of importance (i.e.
Stevens Convicted), report the story, and voila you will
be on the reclist where you can wait 15 mins and do the
switcheroo.
Now why did the Obama campaign ditch Markos years

ago? Oh, Markos is a turnoff troll.
and then dave gets some blowback:
dave (4.00 / 2)
I was on the rec list at Dailykos (5.33 / 3)
sometime in the last 10 days.
but the name wasn't davefromqueens.
this one...?
don't know how to search back very far; only 30 diaries...

[ Parent ]
It's important to keep in mind that dave is a liar.

(4.00 / 2)
Not everything he says is a lie but anything he says is
capable of being a lie. In a recent comment at the
sewer he stated that he no longer lives in Queens.
Maybe yes and maybe no, we'll see in a year when he
reregisters with the OCA. The point is just that
everything he says is suspect.

here's a tip (0.00 / 0)

dont diary about your nemesis sean
hannity.
by: howardx @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at

10:12:16 AM CDT
exactly (0.00 / 0)
That would be a dead giveaway and
thus it will never happen.
I love the fact that they actually rec so
many of my comments as I help them
turn away democrats. They haven't
figured out my new location yet. I've
moved from Queens.
by: davefromqueens @ Tue Oct 28,
2008 at 10:21:56 AM CDT

[ Parent ]
DailyantiKos? (4.00 / 2)
I came across this diary: http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
about this site: http://dailyantikos.blogspot.com/
It's about as lame as the Fox political comedy show, but is it fair use or is it
a target for a lawsuit?
bottles' diary (4.00 / 2)

on a shooting.
Well done. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Today, I found out Janine Turner is a Palindrone (4.00 / 2)

and a wing nut. I've been watching reruns of "Northern Exposure" on
KVCR, the local PBS station recently, and now I'm verklempt.

oh, shit. (4.00 / 2)

I couldn't watch for long after she began. wish I hadn't seen that.
used to be I'd have reaaally hit that.

[ Parent ]
She was one of the most gorgeous actresses of the

90s (4.00 / 2)
Another fantasy dies a gruesome death.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 20:37:33 PM

CDT
[ Parent ]
tommybones (4.00 / 2)
Posted an anti Israel screed:
First of all, it's not a democracy. A democracy values

freedom and equality to all of its citizens regardless of
their race, creed or religion. Israel treats the
Palestinians worse than the U.S. treated its slaves.
Some uprating abuse as well.
Speaking of uprating issues (4.00 / 2)

alec82 is back to his tricks: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
alec and eroded, two douchebags for the price of one.

(4.00 / 2)
Has anyone seen them together? Wouldn't be shocked if they
were the same unit.

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if I wasn't at this concert (4.00 / 2)

I was at one within a month, or two, either side. Right after Blue came out.

The Goddess.
Yes, a grossly under appreciated talent. (4.00 / 2)

Have you heard "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"--her collaboration with
Jaco Pastorius?

[ Parent ]
fdsa (4.00 / 2)
There was a moon and a street lamp

I didnt know I drank such a lot
till I pissed a tequila-anaconda
The full length of the parking lot!
Oh, I talk too loose
Again I talk too open and free

I pay a high price for my open talking

Like you do for your silent mystery
Come and talk to me

Please talk to me
Talk to me, talk to me
Mr. mystery
We could talk about martha

We could talk about landscapes
Im not above gossip
But Ill sit on a secret where honor is at stake!
Or we could talk about power
About jesus and hitler and howard hughes
Or charlie chaplins movies
Or bergmans nordic blues
Please just talk to me
Any old theme you choose
Just come and talk to me
Mr. mystery, talk to me
You could talk like a fool-Id listen

You could talk like a sage
Anyway the best of my mind
All goes down on the strings and the page
That mind picks up all these pictures
It still gets my feet up to dance
Even though its covered with keyloids
From the slings and arrows of outrageous
romance
I stole that from willy the shake!
You know--neither a borrower nor a lender be
Romeo, romeo talk to me!
Is your silence that golden?

Are you comfortable in it?
Is it the key to your freedom
Or is it the bars on your prison?
Are you gagged by your ribbons?
Are you really exclusive or just miserly?
You spend every sentence as if it was marked
currency!
Come and spend some on me--
Shut me up and talk to me!
Im always talking!
Chicken squawking!
Please talk to me


[ Parent ]
you don't know (4.00 / 2)

that she's the only famous person I ever had - sort of -
feelings for.
She's a miracle.
Have you seen the documentary?

[ Parent ]
Nope, haven't seen that yet. (4.00 / 2)

But yeah, if Joni were um, available twould be
worth talking. I saw her touring the "Wild Things
Run Fast" group at the Jones Beach outdoor
theater. It was designed by Robert Moses
specifically for Guy Lombardo. The stage was
an island on the water separated from the crowd
except for a thin walkway. Saw several shows
there but Joni was the only act who used the
stage properly. Very talented, including
visually.
by: ugog @ Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:09:16 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
o yes. (2.50 / 2)
I turned Son, 15, learning to play bass, onto Pastorius, recently,
and was pleased to see that he got what was going on there. he
immediately downloaded a bunch of Jaco to his iPod...

[ Parent ]
The two greatest bass players... (4.00 / 2)

Pastorius and Jamie Jamerson.

[ Parent ]
I made a funny (4.00 / 2)

that nobody will see...
snif!
I've had my run ins with fromdabak. (4.00 / 2)

Wouldn't Rec him.

[ Parent ]
Some funny stuff from last night: (4.00 / 2)

I was gonna add the whalin' ref (4.00 / 2)

but found it was already handled.

[ Parent ]
mr stagger lee (4.00 / 1)

ass
dfq's obsession keeps going and going and going (4.00 / 2)

And little Alec is becoming quite the disciple:

Setting up sockpockets takes a few seconds. My home

computer is tracked until I do something to untrack it
but there are dozens of public outlets everywhere.
Therefore, all I needed was a valid email address.
As for sockpockets, I created a couple names back in

Sept. of 08 after my first warning when I saw the
handwriting on the wall. Of course I have more since.
There are others who have sockpockets from this site.
I'm sure Francis Holland probably has a few along with
hundreds of other people they've pissed off. In fact I
wouldn't be surprised if 80% of all news users at the site
are sockpockets of people there to disrupt the site by
using some of the methods described. 99% of politically
active online progressives would have set up an account
before the summer. The 250 users or so a day are
mostly trolls or people like me who have an ax to grind.
(Although my main motive is making sure he is not
perceived as speaking for Dems, progressives, or the
netroots) There are probably sockpockets unwittingly
inflaming other sockpockets.

[ Parent ]
They are such juvenile assholes (4.00 / 2)

They'd make better use of their time by masturbating.

[ Parent ]
Judging from Archangel M's taste in movies...

(4.00 / 2)
it's reasonable to assume that they are doing both.

[ Parent ]
Young Asher at it again. (4.00 / 2)


As tempting as it is... (4.00 / 2)

I'm gonna pass on the twerp's latest bit of self promotion. Let's see what
he comes up with after the election.

[ Parent ]
I was going to complain about repeating the intro (4.00 / 2)

below the fold, but the kid ain't worth noticing.

[ Parent ]
This is one instance where DU has the advantage.

(4.00 / 2)
David Allen (skinner) wouldn't and didn't tolerate this
sort of shit at his site--and that's all it took.

[ Parent ]
davefromqueens is outed--by the pffters. (4.00 / 2)
Does ESPN Cheer Republicans? (A davefromqueens blast from the

past!)
by: hypocritehater
Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 00:09:29 AM EDT
A former college sportscaster and future lawyer creates a ruckus

by accusing ESPN of injecting right-wing politics into its
broadcasts.
There are more insidious things about ESPN than "boo-yah" and
an unhealthy obsession with Terrell Owens, according to David
Weintraub, a 35-year-old blogger on Daily Kos. A part-time
teacher and part-time law student, Weintraub became an
instigator of controversy last week with a post about ESPN's
broadcast of a Monday Night Football game between the Falcons
and Saints-the first NFL game played in New Orleans's
Superdome since Katrina. Weintraub's charge: ESPN piped in fake
cheers for former President George H.W. Bush as he took the field
for the pregame coin toss, even as the crowd booed him heartily.
hypocritehater :: Does ESPN Cheer Republicans? (A

davefromqueens blast from the past!)
Weintraub, who as an Ithaca College student worked some

sportscasts for the campus radio station, spoke to Gelf by email

and over the phone. He said he was watching the game at home,
by himself, and he "noticed it immediately. It was right off the
bat." Weintraub wasn't recording the game, but based on his
initial impression, he wrote a fiery post the next morning for his
Daily Kos diary, which he had launched just a few weeks before.
Weintraub claimed that ESPN had previously piped in fake cheers
for Republicans, and boos for Democrats, and that there was an
audible click when the network was shifting back to a live audio
feed. "ESPN needs to be called on the carpet for these
shenanigans," Weintraub wrote, under his nom de plume,
davefromqueens. (Despite his hometown borough, he's a Yankees
fan; "I grew up on Long island; my parents are Yankees fans," he
says.)
Kos diaries get notice by being recommended. Weintraub's got
hundreds of recommendations. "People started recommended it,
and all of a sudden people started seeing it, and recommending
it," he said. "I guess it struck a positive chord with a lot of
people." The post was also linked from popular sports blog
Deadspin. As of today, the post has also generated more than
600 comments, ranging from suuportive ("I think you are correct
that ESPN caters to the right wing crowd mostly out of a
misplaced sense that sports fan = mindless winger") to quite
skeptical ("Do you have an ounce of proof?").
Eventually, thanks to a Google search for "fake cheers at espn,"

Weintraub found a blog that had posted video of the tape:
TheMostBoringBlogInTheWorld. "This is a recording so all can
hear and see it," Weintraub wrote to Gelf. "I've watched and
rewatched it 20+ times to verify. To me it's obvious."
To Gelf, it's not. In the clip, it sounds like mostly cheers when
ESPN's Mike Tirico is announcing Bush, and a more mixed
cacophony when the broadcast switches to a mic on the field.
There are multiple mics around the stadium, and tens of
thousands of fans, not all of them acting in unison. Listening to
the clip raises the question, Is it always possible to pinpoint
whether a sports crowd is primarily cheering or booing, whether
you're in the stadium or watching on TV?
Then there's the implausibility of a network-mandated bias: If one

existed, a left-leaning employee probably would have leaked
some proof by now. In a follow-up post, Weintraub acknowledges
this line of criticism, writing, "I don't see 'conspiracy theories'
everywhere. If you're looking for someone who believes in UFOs
or 9/11 inside jobs, then you are looking in the wrong place."
An ESPN spokesman told Gelf, "It is a completely ridiculous claim

and is totally false." He added, "We presented the game as it
happened."
The blog I Have No Life, which reported that the crowd did boo
Bush, pointed out that there were reasons for the crowd to cheer
him: "GHB spent almost every waking minute of last year going
around the country and the world raising money alongside former
President Bill Clinton to help the Katrina victims."
Weintraub acknowledged, "there's always going to be a few

people who are going to cheer," but he added that Bush's son is
unpopular among many Katrina victims for FEMA's bungling of the
crisis. Plus, Weintraub said, the elder Bush is "married to a
woman who goes to the Astrodome and sees evacuees from New
Orleans and sees them sharing a bathroom with 100 people, and
lying on the floor of a sports stadium, and says, well, most people
are better off, anyway." [Snopes.com]
He also sees a wider sports bias at ESPN:
ESPN hired Rush Limbaugh for political purposes and were

embarrassed by his racist diatribes. Limbaugh only resigned
because of public pressure. [USA Today] ESPN has also called
home runs as Rush Limbaugh shots, fair and to the right. [Chris
Myers; Wikiquote] Mike and Mike in the morning often inject
politics by giving out a Shut Up Award which almost always goes
to anybody who expresses a liberal point of view. During the 2004
Presidential race, John Madden and Al Michaels had to apologize
for their flip flop remarks during Monday Night Football for taking
false pot shots at John Kerry with Karl Rove's sound bites. [Media
Matters]
Weintraub said he would be game to discuss the matter further

with ESPN, and try to back up his claim. "They can ask me
questions; I am not afraid." And he plans to keep writing for Kos:
"I'll keep writing. I'm not intimidated by this, at all."
Too fucking funny.
the link you posted... (4.00 / 1)

did it work when you posted it...?

it seems dead now.

[ Parent ]
Don't know, didn't try it. (0.00 / 0)

I saw that it linked to the Gelf article about dave and didn't
check.

[ Parent ]

The Usual Gang of Grownups:: October 30, 2008 (Cheesesteak edition)

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don't know why, but (4.00 / 2)

it was trying to tell you what html was fucked up, and you wouldn't listen.
And now it worked. (4.00 / 2)

With no additional effort from me. I just left it with the link and
somehoo the video got added. The goddess is being quite
temperamental this morn.

[ Parent ]

silly ugog (4.00 / 2)

it was condo, who dicked around with the html, taking
shit out 'til it worked, what turned that trick.

[ Parent ]
Um, "it was condo..."? (4.00 / 2)

Condo's bin hangin out with Asher Heimerman, I
see.
What finally did it anyway--I mights need it for

tomorrow.
by: ugog @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 09:04:51 AM

CDT
[ Parent ]
well, when it failed, (4.00 / 2)

condo noticed that it said why it failed -
some html shit or other - so he snipped
it out, tried again, etc. - a couple of
times. condo is very proud of the work
he's done here, helping all ugogians to
a faster and finer Queen experience.
remember...that's - condo!
by: condo @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 at

09:16:05 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
Condo has heretofore

undiscovered talent. (4.00 /
2)
And what is condo's personal
fundraising goal?
BTW, nothing says "victory"

like Freddy Mercury singing to
you in a diaper. For some
reason he reminds me of Greg
the cometman.
by: ugog @ Thu Oct 30, 2008

at 09:18:14 AM CDT
[ Parent ]
he was great
(4.00 / 2)
weird but great. wish
I was more into that
when he was alive.
my son loves Queen,
and I've grown pretty
fond, m'self.
condo knows but the

most rudimentary
things about html, all
learned from posting
comments...
condo's personal
fundraising goal has

been wildly surpassed

over the last couple
of weeks, thanks to
FSM.
by: condo @ Thu Oct

30, 2008 at 09:20:37
AM CDT
[ Parent ]
I was
never into
the popular
bands thus
didn't pay
much
(4.00 / 2)
attention to
Mercury
while he was
alive. But
he was a
talent. I'm
thinking of
doing a post
election
thread at
the kos--my
first--
entitled,
"Suck it,
Pubs." The
heart of it
will be either
this clip or
Elvis C
doing, " I
Hope You're
Happy Now."
by: ugog @
Thu Oct 30,
2008 at
09:29:23
AM CDT
[ Parent ]
anyone see (4.00 / 2)

this, yet?
Nice comeback from decembersue. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
you mighta missed (4.00 / 2)

this?
Check now. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
poorly-named user (4.00 / 2)

razorsharp
needs many d0nuts.
but not any more... (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Totally kick ass blog from two little old ladies (4.00 / 1)
http://margaretandhelen.wordpr...
DoBD gave me the link to this diary:
Riddle me this, Batman. (4.00 / 1)

cheezy . . . denmark?
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youtubes are whacky. sub-ugog condo, here, reporting that I had to steal
the heetmeel from a different day's poat, and insert this url in it twice.
that's alls I know, so don't ask.

Tags: daily thrread, (All

Tags)
roger roger (4.00 / 2)

bad
dave has plans (4.00 / 1)

for the weekend
Uh oh. (4.00 / 2)
Lock up your children and animals.

[ Parent ]
Puma troll NewHampster posted a diary (4.00 / 2)

clonecone calls him/her out and gets hydrated:

The links cc put up re NewHamster are damning, imo.
I thought New Hampster was nuked? (4.00 / 2)

She posted a diary back in Jan/Feb which blasted Obama for using
"99 Problems but the Bitch Ain't One" at one of his rallies. It was
based on a page six story in the NY post. Problem was, it never
happened. Even after ripping her a new one for it she refused to
delete. No question she is dishonest.

[ Parent ]
I can haz hydrate? (4.00 / 2)

Here? http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
help for the ugog (4.00 / 2)

from an outside source
Now that's an unlikely source of help. (4.00 / 2)

You have to remove:
and
allowscriptaccess="always"
from the embed text.
At least I know it weren't just me. Funny thing, I tried to put the above in
blockquotes and it resulted in dropping the first part. Still seems to be a
problem.

[ Parent ]
I'll put in some spaces: (4.00 / 2)

< param name= "allowscrip taccess" value= "always">
< /param
and I also took out the final ">" now to see if it posts...
if so, that whole string needs to come out

[ Parent ]

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Three more days. It ain't over 'til it's over. But we're looking real good.
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scolding (4.00 / 2)
scolding
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 06:23:45 AM CST
bottles responds (4.00 / 2)

to alec, et al.
and don't miss (4.00 / 2)

this flawless gem

[ Parent ]
Last night I was sent a heads up: (4.00 / 2)
Hey, in case you're interested,

"WattleBreakfast" is "Mimzy" over at
the sewer 2.

WB has a history of 911CT at dkos,

hatred of cat photos and Bouwerie Boy.
In fact it was" Mimzy" who suggested
BB for THE LIST --- for calling he/she
on the 911CT at Dkos.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 07:26:51 AM CST

[ Parent ]
knew wattleB was a pffter (4.00 / 2)

forgot how I knew
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 07:44:03 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
noom says (4.00 / 1)

no
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:16:40 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Nothing gonna be accomplished there. (4.00 / 2)

alec is a lost cause. My approach is to divide and conquer. Catch
them individually when they fuck up and then let 'em have it. alec
is gonna be easy pickings, my friend. Much easier than dave and
Randy were.
You don't owe anyone an explanation. Some folks know and get it
and the rest can go fuck themselves.

[ Parent ]
agree (4.00 / 2)
but I felt like having that out there; this seemed an
apposite location.

[ Parent ]
alec will still be there after the election.

(4.00 / 1)
He'll still be an asshole and he'll still be on my
unofficial list. I'm expecting that much/most of
the election trolls will go away and things are
gonna become much easier. Really, l've been
through this before. Three fucking days.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 07:30:00 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
didn't dave claim, somewhere, (4.00 / 1)

that he wasn't still in Queens...?
"McCain" is now safely back in Queens writing this diary.

Correct. (4.00 / 2)
But dave is a liar.

[ Parent ]
admin on the ball today (4.00 / 2)
www.FAKEPAYCHECKS
TUBS.com Need Proof of Income? Make Fake Pay ...
by quickstub
I found this "diary" at 23 comments and it wouldn't load. I checked the

troll, the diary had disappeared already and it had alrady been banned.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 11:44:18 AM CST
stupid d0nut (4.00 / 2)

thread
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 13:38:32 PM CST
OK, I emailed Avila asking for a truce (4.00 / 2)

and she accepted. Play nice, we are all on the same side. She's been a
helluva good moderator at DK, and if you gents can find it in your hearts to
uprate her when she does good, please do. You don't have to comment at
all if that works best.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 14:40:47 PM CST
np but I found (4.00 / 2)

this a little unnerving:
not hanging out at PFF. I read and write 5

languages or more at work on a daily basis and
sometimes misspell words in the process.
is she trying to pass those flauds off as innocent "errors?"

[ Parent ]
In her email to me she said she has a client (4.00 /

2)
named Flaud and she was tired when she posted. She is
not a PFFter.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 16:19:23 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
dude (4.00 / 2)
do you believe that, that it's just a coincidence,
that she used in three comments?
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 16:39:06 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Gotta agree with condo here.

(4.00 / 2)
Avila has been taking her shots at me
for months. More out of loyalty to k9k,

Pager and OPOL than anything in

particular against me but still. I haves
no problem handling her.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at

16:53:49 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I'm not saying (4.00 / 2)

she's a bad guy, just that if
she's actually trying to claim
that was a fatigue-induced
error, and/or that she has a
client named "flaud" - I ain't
buying, and my opinion of her
goes way down.
I hope that's not the case.
by: condo @ Sun Nov 02,

2008 at 16:59:20 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I suspect that she's

actually a decent
person. (4.00 / 2)
But she keeps bad
company. I do
respect loyalty--even
when misplaced.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov

02, 2008 at 17:28:59
PM CST
[ Parent ]
I'm willing to give her the benefit

of the doubt (4.00 / 2)
She's a damn fine poster and runs
NION, unlike the circle-jerkers at FSZ
that bitch, moan and whine all the
time. She likes K9; I did too for a long
time. Now I feel sorry for him and
avoid him, and by avoid, I never
respond to his emails anymore and I
don't engage him on the site.
by: trashablanca @ Sun Nov 02, 2008

at 17:32:41 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Yup, it's sad. (4.00 / 2)

Lots of folks have been flaking
out under the immense
pressure. You do see a
different side of folks when the
heat is on. Not sure what to
do with that. One thing I
value among my friends and
allies is the ability to keep a
cool head under pressure.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 02, 2008

at 17:45:08 PM CST
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thanks, trashele (4.00 / 2)

for helping make nice
Béatriz Flaud - who knew...?
by: condo @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 07:51:05 AM CST
Now this is a funny Olbermann parody (4.00 / 2)

Fucking thing won't embed. I gotta learn something from PFFters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Condo, trashele?
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:43:28 PM CST
much better than the SNL guy, imo (4.00 / 2)

"trashele" is, like, an affectionate Yiddish diminutive.
two of our fucking dogs ran away this morning, and I've been tramping
around the woods for over an hour. the wife's phone-banking, I told her
that Obama's outcome is a lot surer than that of our dogs, (esp. here in
MD) and to get back here and take over looking.

by: condo @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:56:11 PM CST

[ Parent ]
How'd they get out? (4.00 / 2)

My Doobie dog is/was an escape artist. I bring him to work
with me every day now, but he drove me nuts for two years.
He broke lead cables, he tunneled under the fence, regardless
of the spikes and other obstacles I placed at and beyond the
fence.
I rigged a harness wired with 2 2' dowels in an X design to

prevent his tunneling and it didn't even slow him down.
Finally, before YKI-Vegas, I bought an invisible fence and voila
- problem solved.

[ Parent ]
we were lax with (4.00 / 2)

our invisible fence, not enough collars to go around
for our four dogs. it's been a long time, and nothing
like this. they were chasing deer. seen at 10:30 am
about a mile away. it is a bummer. they are fast and
shy of people.
one ran away from my wife a few years ago, in town,

and we found her a couple days later, five miles away,
in some woods, closer to our house.

[ Parent ]
I hope you find them soon (4.00 / 2)

I cannot stand the anxiety of looking for a
lost dog. I don't know how parents cope,
because dogs are worry enough for me.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at

14:42:08 PM CST
[ Parent ]
they were found (4.00 / 2)

by a man and his daughter, they
took them to the police, they took
them to the animal shelter - and
they're closed tomorrow, we can't
get them 'til Wednesday, which is
bad - they're kinda high-strung and
might not fare well in this situation.
we're trying to figure a way to get
them, but it's a typical dead-end
bureaucracy.
by: condo @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at

19:34:12 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Why is the pound closed

on a Tuesday? (4.00 / 2)
That is ridiculous. Staff
has to be there to feed and
clean, and besides, it's a
workday, damnit. Another
thing, my Sara was picked
up a couple of years ago. I
got her the next day and
she caught kennel cough
and gave it to my other
dogs.

by: trashablanca @ Mon

Nov 03, 2008 at 20:39:24
PM CST
[ Parent ]
That is a good
question. (4.00 /
2)
Reminds me of
the summer of
1980 (IIRC)
Ecology and Field
Biology. We
spent every even
day in the lab/
classroom and
every odd day in
the field. One day
we drove up to
Bear Mountain to
do a tree survey.
On our way up
we were stopped
by a State
trooper:
"You can't go up
there."
"Um, why not?"
"The mountain is
closed."
The mountain is
closed? Needless
to say we ditched
him, doubled back
and did what we
came for.
Mountain looked
pretty frikking
open to me.
by: ugog @ Mon

Nov 03, 2008 at
21:51:55 PM CST
[ Parent ]
for
election
day
(4.00 /
2)
I didn't
even
remember
elections
were
coming
up, so
this was
at least a
good
reminder
for that.
by:
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Mon Nov
03, 2008
at
21:54:23
PM CST

[ Parent ]
got another big (4.00 / 2)

rec-hoovering comment in a very sad diary.
Ya know... (4.00 / 2)
Her title is wrong. When I read it I was expecting to see someone who
was killed for being gay. After reading her diary it appears that being
gay was the least of her daughter's problems.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 22:08:22 PM CST

[ Parent ]
Umm, check this comment (4.00 / 2)

for a parent to rec that in her own diary, in addition to the

other assertions youudoo made regarding access to evidence,
shows she's most definately not convinced of circumstances
surrounding her daughter's death.

[ Parent ]
There are a bunch of things in her story (4.00 /

2)
which don't add up. As aforesaid, it doesn't appear
that her daughter's death had anything to do with
being gay--which was supposed to be the point of the
diary. That comment you link is starting to remind
me of that nutjob kay sieverding who shows up every
now and then to talk about her personal lawsuit. She
even wrote me once. Something is off here.

[ Parent ]
Alec is at it again. (4.00 / 2)

I hope I draw some of the TU trolls out with my comments. I've learned to say
my peace and disengage from any further conversation with his ilk.
I had to drop a d0nut on him to re-hide his comment. (4.00 / 2)

He really is a whiney little...
by: ugog @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 00:02:25 AM CST

[ Parent ]
And the beat goes on . . . (4.00 / 2)

drache & 4kedtongue are showing themselves splendidly. I
hope this snowballs and exposes more T[roll]Us.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 00:19:15 AM CST

[ Parent ]
I chimed (4.00 / 2)
in, too
by: condo @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 06:05:50 AM CST

[ Parent ]
fuck, yeah! (4.00 / 1)

happy now.
by: condo @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 22:06:43 PM CST
Lookin' real good. (4.00 / 1)

You almost preempted tomorrow's thread.
by: ugog @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 22:08:25 PM CST

[ Parent ]
heaven forfend! (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Looks like McCain is toast. (4.00 / 1)

OK to come out of my secure undisclosed location
now?
(If McC had been the nominee eight years ago and
had given that same speech oh how things woulda bin
different)

[ Parent ]

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From a friend in upper Manhattan: (4.00 / 2)
On your average Election Day, I am the first person at

my polling station..average waiting time three minutes..
Five from the time I leave the house to the time I leave
the polling place....today, there a line of at least 100
yards..party atmosphere...25 minutes to get inside the
door, and another 20 to get ot the head of the line
it was a great time, this morning (4.00 / 2)

notable difference with past elections: no wingnuts with signs and
literature out front. none.

[ Parent ]
Hopefully they'll stay in their caves for the next

(4.00 / 2)
eight years. Lotta cleaning up to do.

[ Parent ]

next eighty years (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 10:15:33 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Good omen on my drive to work (4.00 / 2)

The first bumper sticker I saw was an Obama one. Haven't seen a McSame
sticker for a couple of days.
Well, I voted. (4.00 / 2)

Between looking up my name, voting and questioning the poll workers
about turnout I couldn't have spent three minutes there. Although turnout
was supposed to be very heavy there was no line. And the lever machines
still work just fine. I did my part.
One thing I miss by voting absentee (4.00 / 2)

aside from the welling emotion of casting my vote among my
fellow citizens, is I don't get an I voted sticker.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 12:23:05 PM CST

[ Parent ]
I absolutely LOVE (4.00 / 2)

going down there, with everybody, and doing the deed.
and getting the sticker.
Starbucks will give you a free coffee today if you go in

and tell them you voted, too!
I had about a ten-minute wait - to use the hated Diebold

touch screens, which appeared to work well - but it's the
last time we'll use them here, I bleeve.
I also talk to people all over the country, all day, in

hospitals, and I find out if they voted, and if they're
hopeful and excited. only one thought she was gonna be
disappointed tonight, but we agreed on a lot of other
things.

[ Parent ]
wattle b (4.00 / 2)
being a fuckface
Called him out to flush him out (4.00 / 2)

got plumber?

[ Parent ]
The Chop (4.00 / 2)

Reich wing troll.

Zeitgeist9000 (4.00 / 2)
Homophobic bigot.
nic is halfway familiar, somehow... (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Kossacks with that in handle (4.00 / 2)

JitteryZeitgeist
phoebe zeitgeist
RexZeitgeist
VeritasZeitgeist
watch copy give ZEITGEIST
xzeitgeist
Zeitgeist
zeitgeist1979
Zeitgeist9000
Zeitgeist911
zeitgeistguy
ZeitgeistRover
None are banned.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 17:10:54 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
ummm... (4.00 / 2)
it was the xxxxx9000 part, trash...
by: condo @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 17:20:05 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
D'oh! (4.00 / 1)
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 04, 2008

at 17:23:10 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Ummmmmm.... (4.00 / 1)
Methinks trashy was playing with ya.

by: ugog @ Tue Nov 04, 2008 at

17:55:18 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Nope. I had teh stoopid

today. (4.00 / 2)
brain don't go. seized up. We
won! I've been bracing for it
being over and going out with
fire and dignity if possible.
Now we gotta do it, and do it
right. No margin of error in
the end of an error.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov

04, 2008 at 22:57:37 PM CST
[ Parent ]
November 4, 2008 (Just One Victory edition) | 18 comments

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So how did eight years of pathetically irresponsible rule work out for ya?
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not only did Obama win, (4.00 / 2)

and, through him, all of us - but we got our dumb doggies back this morning.

I drove through the horrid traffic, reveling once again in the fact that my daily
commute is 3.8 miles of side streets, and met my wife and daughter at the shelter a
bit after eight. did the paperwork, retrieved the girls. scratched up, covered with
tick bites, the Ibizan Hound has a really weird gait, which I hope is from strain/
sprain and no worse, and very somber, hangdog expressions. happy to see us, but
freaked out. vet appointment in the morning.
so sad about Prop 8 winning in CA; the big bummer of the day.
haven't checked a lot of other stuff yet.
wife just called, said that now that the adrenaline of seeing us wore off, neither dog
can walk. Willa the beezer drank a quart of water or so, having probably had no
food or drink in 48 hours...
by: condo @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 08:30:18 AM CST
anyone care to (4.00 / 1)

join in here?
Done. (4.00 / 2)
Not sure what that one was about but have one on me.
by: ugog @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:36:15 PM CST

[ Parent ]
up- (4.00 / 1)
thread
by: condo @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 12:55:45 PM CST

[ Parent ]
It appears that some folks were a bit perturbed

(4.00 / 2)
at marster bush last night. Can't imagine why. In NY we
took the senate for the first time in forty years.
Unfortunately King Peter still reigns. I coulda run after
all.

[ Parent ]
mojowhore (4.00 / 2)
R us
Guess what I found? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
also! (4.00 / 2)
this
and this:
it's gonna be like a rainbow - everybody's

included
and this
and, hey...! look who else is in there?
by: condo @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 08:20:32 AM CST

[ Parent ]
And he thinks he's profound. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 12:29:30 PM CST

[ Parent ]
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Alec knows best (4.00 / 2)

he is an elder statesman with a ton of blog cred:
by: trashablanca @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 18:06:08 PM CST
He's giving advice on ratings... (4.00 / 2)

that's very funny. I just restrained myself from busting him there.
Better to wait for a clearer shot.

[ Parent ]
I'm waiting for a clear-cut instance (4.00 / 2)

to fucking hydrate his ass. Unfortunately, he already has
minions that frequent FSZ and happily uprate him.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 21:15:16 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
That isn't necessarily a bad thing. (4.00 / 2)

Let them engage in blatant ratings abuse. It'll
tell us who they are and make them look bad
and lose credibility. It took a ton of time for
Randy and dave to do it to themselves but I

knew that someday it would happen. Alec ain't

nearly as smart as either of them. Patience.
This "game" is about choosing your spots and
not making mistakes. It'll happen.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 21:29:56 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Oh, hell yes. (4.00 / 2)

Anything they do to expose themselves
only adds fuel to the fire. I do my best
to encourage them.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Nov 06, 2008

at 21:38:38 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Thoughts on Luthien Tinuvielhttp://www.dailykos.com/

comments/2008/11/7/0494/46285/2#c2? (4.00 / 2)
This person tries so hard to be likeable, but doesn't ring quite true,
somehow. Tonight, I found this in a mediocre diary: http://www.dailykos.
com/commen...
by: trashablanca @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 00:44:05 AM CST
I've gotten along with her. (4.00 / 1)

She's a relative newbie but has picked things up pretty quickly.
While I don't share the sentiment of the diarist there--Joementum
is a Pub who should be exiled from the caucus, imho--I
understand the thought Tinuviel expresses. Not sure that diarist
deserves TRs simply for saying what he/she did. She hasn't been
around long enough for me to have an overall sense of her. She
did mention being a Wiccan earlier in the day, not that it means
much. One of my best DU mod buds Technowitch is as well. BTW,
TW is also a kossack although a quiet one. If you see her show
her some love.
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 02:59:40 AM CST

[ Parent ]
I have had (4.00 / 1)

reservations about that user, too. nothing to point to. faint bad
smell.
by: condo @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 07:37:28 AM CST

[ Parent ]
Jeebus. I pulled the url outta the sub line once already (4.00 / 2)
devilish details.



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bottles left a (4.00 / 2)

love note to someone I think we know
this prick (4.00 / 2)

needs hydrated
I never heard this Dan Fogelberg tune before (4.00 / 2)

And it's freaking brilliant.

by: trashablanca @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 13:32:46 PM CST
now I have to ask you: (4.00 / 2)

XM radio? Deep Tracks? This afternoon...?
by: condo @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 14:40:36 PM CST

[ Parent ]
Exactly. Deep Tracks was playing awesome tunes

(4.00 / 2)
this morning/afternoon.

[ Parent ]
heh! (4.00 / 2)
and now, I am awesome!
heh!
by: condo @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 15:46:43 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
vin (4.00 / 2)
grandbastardista
100% asshole (4.00 / 2)

USDA Prime
HR worthy (4.00 / 2)
remark, but I don't want to stick myself in that just now.
Kinda amazing that Vincenzo is still there. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 16:34:42 PM CST

[ Parent ]
when he gets noticed, (4.00 / 2)

he stops commenting. for months, if necessary.
dkos users are the flies he uses to pull wings off of when
he's had a pop or three.


[ Parent ]
Interesting new user with a familiar name. (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/b...
dave or one of the other morans? Or is Dave not here?
Not sure what you mean by (4.00 / 2)

"is dave not here"? I didn't hear his voice in that particular diary
and that user has no comments. But dave is definitely at the site.
I believe condo found him in Max Window.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 02:55:00 AM CST

[ Parent ]
Dave's not here, man (4.00 / 1)
by: condo @ Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 16:51:51 PM CST

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Great clip from Opera Show (4.00 / 2)

Will Smith is both funny and poignant:

by: trashablanca @ Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 14:41:56 PM CST
Oprah, dummy. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
sailing tomorrow (4.00 / 2)

just me, a new (for me) set of sails, some nice smokables of various type,
refreshments, tunes and all sunny crisp Autumn day.
Is it safe to go out alone? (4.00 / 2)

Might be trolls afloat.

[ Parent ]
it was, this time (4.00 / 1)

tons of wind, too. sailed almost thirty miles. gorgeous
day.

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Been pouring here for days.


Tags)
Pigs are flying today: (4.00 / 2)

I'm ready to support
replacing Reid with Hillary Clinton. Reid has been completely awful in handling this situation.
John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle
Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.
by IhateBush on Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 12:01:36 PM PST

Here's a funny one: (4.00 / 2)
The candidate who won (0.00 / 0)

was built from the grassroots up.
He was from my old town where I grew up, a very republican stronghold.
Two people I know, one a former elected republican and one my uncle, joined forces
and for years laid the groundwork. Ethical people to the core using the DFQ message
and talking point of uniting democrats, independents and moderate republicans against
corrupt RW republicans.
Next up has to be Padavan and Maltese in Queens and looking for another seat or two
out on Long Island. I'm considering taking Padavan on myself but will have to do it
from the grassroots level b/c the Democratic Party around here has too many corrupt
influences in it in Queens.
by: davefromqueens @ Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 12:57:01 PM CST
In one of the most hotly contested and expensive races of the election, Mr. Maltese
conceded defeat to Joseph P. Addabbo Jr., a Democratic city councilman from Ozone
Park.
dave wants to run for the state senate. Problem is one of his targets has already lost. Nice to know he's
keeping up with things.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 15:08:18 PM CST
sofia thinks (4.00 / 2)

this is "D"
Hey, how'd your solo sailing trip go? (4.00 / 2)

You either survived it quite well or didn't go. Spill,

[ Parent ]
see for yourself: (4.00 / 2)

and here's a graph of the wind - I was out from 11 to 6.
I also got to watch a waterside home burn to the ground at dusk, as I was coming in.
One waterfront homeowner I now don't envy, twenty zillion to go.


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assholes abound (4.00 / 2)

in the universe...
this goddamned schmuck (4.00 / 2)

pisses me off.
particularly as he's so good at fooling kossacks.
Vinnie's an asshole's asshole (4.00 / 2)

Rectum? Damn near killed 'em.

[ Parent ]
Why is he even there? (4.00 / 2)

Doesn't appear to have any political thoughts nor does he
appear to share any of our values. Complete waste of
electrons, not to mention carbon.

[ Parent ]

already told you (4.00 / 2)

his hobby is pulling wings off of librul flies.
by: condo @ Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 15:33:41 PM

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Jericho38 (4.00 / 2)
I'm guessing zombie--and concluding douchebag:
interesting lynx (4.00 / 2)

dave admits writing rec list diary
pager thread that led to that
now KO himself (4.00 / 2)

has commented in this diary.

[ Parent ]
I'm thinking he reads the kos more than he lets on.

(4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Snort! And you hadda go and rec his

comment. (4.00 / 2)
Cue the Rolling Stones, "Star, Star".
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 11, 2008 at

17:20:16 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I'd like to see more folks who are

actually doing things (4.00 / 2)
feeling comfortable enough to engage
at the site. It bothers me that most of
our candidates and electeds avoid the
kos. I don't blame them as whenever
they do show up they are ambushed.
But in an ideal world the site is a place
for meaningful dialogue. Prolly never
gonna happen but still.

19:48:41 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Hey condo... (4.00 / 2)

I'd be careful about leaving your tags in this one:
Folks do get warned for that. I know from experience.
ya - only if (4.00 / 2)
they're looking, though, or get an email...

[ Parent ]
I fixed it anyway. (4.00 / 2)

Don't wanna give them any ammo. Did someone drop a
dime on me when I got warned?

[ Parent ]
wouldn't be surprised (4.00 / 2)

in the least. don't know when it was, but you
know k9k used to be on the tag team.

CST
[ Parent ]
Could be, the timing would be

about right. (4.00 / 2)
Can't think of anyone else on the "tags"
team who had it in for me.

14:43:37 PM CST
[ Parent ]

Racer97 (4.00 / 2)
Lieberman is loyal to Israel:
hey - zombie vid! (4.00 / 2)
darrell sez (4.00 / 2)

all his accounts were banned.
not church of fugazi or henry chinaski, though.
liar.
I dunno what the deal with him is. (4.00 / 2)

Perhaps he's just laying low, waiting for a future opportunity.

[ Parent ]
Anybody got a spare hydrate for Ross frm Maryland? (4.00 / 2)

He's a homophobic bigot and a troll.
Dave finally has a worshiper (4.00 / 2)

Dear old whack job abbeysbooks. http://www.freespeechzoneblog....
Yes yes yes. (6.00 / 1)

So nice to be welcomed and known again. So many people tried to protect
me but when a gang goes after you when it is not obvious to everyone it is
difficult to help someone. davefromqueens lasted as long time without
giving in and sucking up.
And other places I have gone won't let me talk about this. Even My
leftwing. There were people there who had consistently hunted me out on
dkos to TR me for just saying hello. And reccing mf for saying
hmmmmmm. It was a painful time for me as I had worked hard there.
Anyone who looked at my diaries could not call me a troll.
And all my legal diaries about mortgages and foreclosure have come to
pass and they were trashed badly for saying that.
But it's really the software that promotes it so kos must want it. I don't
think he is so interested in community anymore as becoming a playa.
Perfect. (4.00 / 2)
dave, who actually is a lawyer is associating himself with
abbeysbooks who got nuked for pimping a $500 legal seminar.
Couldn't have asked for anything more. He's so desperate for
adoration that he'll countenance anything. Can't wait for the first
opportunity to rub his nose in this one. I remember the details all
too well...

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Alec82 is playing the uprating game again (4.00 / 2)

I dunno what you guys think about burrow owl, but I've considered him a
troll and an asshole for a long time.
Over at FSZ, I gotta give lil Alec some credit as he is swatting down dfq's
delusional assertions right and left.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 11:35:06 AM CST
I've always thought there was something off with (4.00 / 2)

burrow owl. Never got any positive vibes.

[ Parent ]
He's frigging creepy. (4.00 / 2)

His uprating/hydrating pattern is peculiar too.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 16:24:21 PM

CST
[ Parent ]

Another TU troll in the making (4.00 / 2)
I'm Sure This Will Offend People....
But that pussy Lieberman needs to be kicked the hell out

of the party itself.
He's sure, yet he retaliates when his predicition comes true and he has a
pattern of retaliatory hides.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 16:27:04 PM CST
Who is this? (4.00 / 2)

Linky would be nice.

[ Parent ]
Sorry, forgot the link (4.00 / 2)

copied it and didn't paste or post it: http://www.dailykos.
com/commen...

CST
[ Parent ]
That douchebag TRed you. (4.00 / 2)

He needs a slap down.
by: ugog @ Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 16:39:25 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
I moved my last hide from parent

comment (4.00 / 1)
to the comment you hydrated [I hid
that one first, originally]. Thanks.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 12, 2008

at 16:43:06 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Nothing to thank me for.

(4.00 / 1)
That one was as blatant as
can be. Very trollish.
I mean, I would have covered

you in any event but this one
was easy.
by: ugog @ Wed Nov 12, 2008

at 16:47:41 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Just incase he decides to delete--or that decision is made for him:

(4.00 / 2)
I'm Releasing the Letters From DailyKos

by: davefromqueens
Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 16:18:20 PM EST

After the thread are the emails sent between myself and
the administrators prior to the banning in their entirety
so people can see what went on. I will redact the
personal info
davefromqueens :: I'm Releasing the Letters From

DailyKos
I sent this email on Sept 24 to administration.

I had been warned previously not to go into Major Flaws
threads yet now he is doing the same. I ask that he be
given the same official warning that I was given over a
week ago. Here is the example. http://www.dailykos.
com/story/... It speaks for itself. It is my diary. I guess
he got frustrated that nobody was paying attention to
him. In my personal opinion, Daily Kos will realize that
MajorFlaw is at this site to turn people off and that his
actions have the effects of a troll even while he claims to
be a troll hunter. But that's just my opinion.
This is the email I received in response on Sept 24,
2008. The personal email of the Kos administrator will
not be displayed.
Dave, The warning you received:>>>>>>>> "Following

another community member around and trying to whip
up others against him is harassment>>>> and it's
disruptive to the site. Knock it off." You weren't warned
not to go into his threads/diaries, and it didn't mean he
couldn't comment in your thread/diaries.
The bolded portion is the OFFICIAL warning that was
scrolled at the top of DailyKos sometime in September
and I had to acknowledge it in order to post further
comments. That's what I mean by taking a side.
Someone in administration decided that I was following
another community member around (Majorflaw). Now
what makes this a joke is go check what he and
braveheartdc did for 7 months. I post a few comments
(less than 1%) in threads he appears and I was accused
of harassment.
I responded with this:
___ (name redacted)
What is going on with the protection of MajorFlaw is

ridiculous. Each of my HRs were justified. Whoever is
withholding my right to rec a comment is in my view out
of line. These comments where I disagree with what
some administrator did are kept private. I don't express
this opinion at the site. You, I and others are doing our
darnedest to elect Democrats (I can't say that about the
Flaw). Is this a fight we should be having 6 weeks before
an election?
Again this was one attempt to resolve this. More is

coming.
I received this response.
Believe it or not, it wasn't me. Neither here nor there,

because the HR's were inappropriate and I made a few
comments saying so. It's not a matter of protecting
anyone, it's simply a matter of preventing HR wars like
we saw during the primaries. As I said earlier, you
weren't warned to never comment to MF and that
warning didn't mean he couldn't comment to you. Please
try to take a step back, reread the thread (knowing that
he has every right to comment in the diary) and tell me
if you honestly think his comments rose to the level of
being so bad that they needed to be hidden from public
view.

Okay note that they compare this to the primaries but it

was only Hillary's HRs who got banned. And the person is
correct, it wasn't this administrator who did it, it was
KKKlawson, who is not the person being contacted here.
I had written this one too.
_____ (name redacted), what this is coming down to is

simple.> > A bunch of people got punished for HRing
flaw.> somebody in the adm. is allowing Flaw to get
away with this garbage. I, the obvious people, and a
couple of other high profile people, will leave if this
double standard is not rectified. There is simply no
excuse for pulling the ability to rec a comment. If it's not
restored soon, I'm leaving the site after the debates and
why I left will become very public knowledge. Normally
you should give such a comment little weight but I do
have some "power." (Sentence redacted dealing with
personal information) Again, if you are asking me to
remove the HRS, restore my status immediately and I
will do so.
Note again I try to warn what the problem is but at the
same time I give an unconditional offer that if you
restore the status I'll remove all the HRs.
Then there was this response from administration.
There was no double standard. There was rating ability

removed for HR abuse. Period. As I told you earlier,
neither of you (you or Major Flaw) is barred from making
comments to the other. He voiced an opinion in your
diary. You can disagree with that opinion, you can rebut
it, but HR'ing and declaring him a troll isn't/wasn't the
answer. My suggestion to you would be email Markos
and request that your ratings be restored. I'd also
suggest you do it without the veiled threats. My 02.
Ah note the hypocrisy. I am allowed to make comments,
rebut them, etc... Now that is exactly what I did in
Asher's diary. See what I was told here in the email and
you will see what I did.
What happenede when I commented in Asher's diary? I

received an official warning EXACTLY like the one I
posted upthread.
And then there was this correspondence with a different

administrator.
Dave, Thanks for writing. Here's my response. First of

all, please believe me when I say that no one is taking
sides here, nor is anyone receiving special treatment. We
don't want fights like these happening on the site, and
we certainly don't want them prolonged, nor grudges
held. (LOL, paras are mine) You have certainly not been
the only one at fault in this, nor the only one warned to
stop it. Now, to your questions: 1) I think that while it's
very possible that an ulterior motive of MajorFlaw's in
entering the diary was to start something (I can't say I
know his motives, but I do know that the two of you
have a history), it's certainly not unmistakably the case
from the comments he made in the diary. Put another
way, suppose someone else had made the same
comment MF didthat started this whole business. I don't
think it would have been construed as necessarily
disruptive, though certainly provocative. And as you
know, you HR the comment, not the user. Yes, even if
it's someone with whom you've had bad blood before...
especially then, in fact.HR-on-sight is virtually never
appropriate.
Okay my comments. They admit that it's very possible
MF was in the thread and call it "certainly provocative"
which by definition is a troll, the intent to provoke by site

rules. "Virtually never" is not an absolute so it is my

right to HR a comment that is designed to provoke. Next
2) Of course not. MajorFlaw doesn't have any privileges,

rights, or influence that you yourself don't have, or that
any other TU doesn't have. 3) You're welcome to ask to
have the ability to rate comments back. As you know,
many have had that ability removed for a brief time
before, and many have had it reinstated. You've been at
Daily Kos for a long time, and you have certainly
demonstrated your commitment to the site. Provided you
can adhere to site rules, it's very likely you'll get your
ratings abilityback. That said, site rules are site rules. If
and when MajorFlaw breaks them, please bring it to our
attention and we'll deal with it accordingly. Until that
time, just try to stay out of his way. I'm afraid that as
long as he is a user at Daily Kos, he can post comments
in your diaries, and nothing will happen unless the
comments are blatantly disruptive. Regardless of his
intent, those are the rules. So if you think he's coming
solely to provoke a fight, all I can say is don't take the
bait. Were the tables turned, I would say exactly the
samething. Regards, (name redacted)
And this is the email I had sent that led to this response.
> As you can tell from the email address I am dfq.>> My

questions are simple>> 1. Did I give the HR's in good
faith based on the FAQs? If you want further clarification
I can give it to you but the intent of MF was to disrupt
and incite which by definition is trolling. The fAQs say
trolling is worthy of an HR. 2. Does Major Flaw speak for
Daily Kos? 3. Explain why I still, more than 5 hours later,
I don't have my TUstatus? Since I recommend tens of
thousands of comments, this is adisservice. This is a fire
that can easily be put out.
So again when you try to work with people nicely, when

you try to resolve a problem with carrots, when you act
reasonable, when you are willing to accommodate and
basically do 99% of what they want done, and you get
nothing but petty authoriative bullshit, it becomes clearer
that any reasonable and integrity based person in my
shoes would give them a proverbial big middle finger no
matter what short term consequences there may or may
not have been.
I'm nicknamed the Squirrel. The squirrel is a happy go

lucky creature that sometimes goes over and plays with
other squirrels but is also very happy minding his own
business in his own tree. The squirrel is the easiest
animal to compromise with and get along with. But when
somebody messes with a squirrel for no reason, the
squirrel becomes a lion. Markos unleashed the Lion. So
I've gathered all the info on him (95% of it was there
long before me) and have the frames and data to make
sure he remains marginal and the mouth and motivation
to never let up.
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Read the diary I linked (0.00 / 0)
Because Laura shows up in there too.
You will note many efforts to try and clear up the
matters and specific questions were asked but not
answered.
by: davefromqueens @ Wed Nov 12, 2008 at 15:21:25
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"I'm nicknamed the Squirrel" (4.00 / 2)

Isn't a squirrel just a rat with a tail?

[ Parent ]
"Squirrel Dick" (4.00 / 2)

Cause he's nutz. He is such a flaming asshole, I'm
suprised he isn't immolated already.

CST
[ Parent ]
Could he possibly embarrass himself any

more? (4.00 / 2)
He appears to be going out of his way to make
me look good.

CST
[ Parent ]
I have faith that he can! (4.00 / 2)

He has delusions of grandeur and is
utterly tone-deaf. It's almost as if he's
posting for us and not trying [and
failing] to impress the sewer-dwellers.
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 12, 2008

at 17:49:55 PM CST
[ Parent ]
A Deuce Ex Machina (4.00 / 2)

This is Greg the cometman. I'm sure of it.
The puke is nuked. (4.00 / 2)

and I am outta here and heading home.

[ Parent ]
don't know if it helped (4.00 / 2)

but I alerted a pod of mods.
a mod-squad, as it were.

[ Parent ]
I assume that's what did it. (4.00 / 2)

I didn't write to anyone and he didn't pick up
any d0nuts.


CST
[ Parent ]
And he admits it: (4.00 / 1)

Score one for me.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 05:56:26 AM CST

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if this was hidden (4.00 / 2)

I wouldn't mind
I've only got two d0nuts at the moment but you can have
one of them. (4.00 / 2)
If you'll provide the other it will be done. Your call.

[ Parent ]
just checked (4.00 / 1)

and there are none to be had, for me.
so I left that comment, instead. no biggie, and thanks.

[ Parent ]
bitterethnics (4.00 / 2)
User has been nuked already but I did have some fun taking shots in this
obvious troll diary:

fascinating diary (4.00 / 2)

here
really sounds like greg (4.00 / 2)

two days in a row...?

[ Parent ]
maybe even dave. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
That's what i was thinking. (4.00 / 2)
I agree revealing someone's identity on

a blog is a morally reprehensible thing
to do but "bannable?" Have there
been people who have done this here
and if so were they all banned?
Now what do you think this new user was lookin for with
that?

[ Parent ]
ya. (4.00 / 1)
no worries
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 10:06:31 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
heh! (4.00 / 1)
heh.
the fool used his special word in his diary.

CST
[ Parent ]
I almost did, but didn't (4.00 / 1)

suggest that one could also search
comments at dkos over the last few
months for the word "sockpocket" to
find the source, but I realized that I
probably already blew it by alerting
dave to this easy way to ID him - just
like I did when I started linking to a
search of "turnoff troll," and he stopped
using the term immediately.

when will I ever learn?
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at

12:09:25 PM CST
[ Parent ]
banned (4.00 / 2)
don't know how, but I know why.

CST
[ Parent ]
Do tell? (4.00 / 2)
My best guess would be that an admin
checked the IP of that member and
found it was either dave or something
so geographically close to dave that it
gave lie to his "in Ohio" claim. If
you've got anything else please share.
If true, that makes us two for two on

successive days. We nailed dave and
Greg before they got to say much of
anything. It's very, very difficult to
make yourself sound like someone else.
Wouldn't wanna try it myself. Greg
has made that "no autoban" argument
with that same link before so that one
was easy and this incarnation of dave
was just begging for stuff to be used
again us. Cool.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at

12:27:43 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I'm thinking maybe (4.00 /

1)
an admin saw my comment
about sockpockets, checked it,
and found it met the criteria.
self-flattery, though, most like.
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13,

2008 at 12:38:25 PM CST
[ Parent ]
That or my
comment about
having a guess
may have started
someone (4.00 / 1)
thinking but I can't
imagine they would
have nuked him
without at least
looking at an IP
comparison. (Just
from my old DU
days) that's SOP.
Since he didn't get
any TRs we know it
must have been
something blatant.

Can't think of
anything more
blatant than an IP
match.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov

13, 2008 at 12:47:01
PM CST
[ Parent ]
a thought I had (4.00 / 2)

was to post a comment whereby I let the diarist
know of an attorney who specializes in this kind
of thing, with a link to dav'e bio at dad's firm.

CST
[ Parent ]
That would have been blogicide, I

assume. (4.00 / 1)
Although it'd be kinda difficult for dave
to write to admins and ask for help
after calling them Stalinists and racists.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at

12:28:36 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I admit it'd be kinda stupid,

but (4.00 / 1)
how would anyone nail me for
posting a link to a seemingly
unrelated att'y in that user's
diary?
be kinda hard to connect the

dots, for our dave, no?
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13,

2008 at 12:36:59 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Well for one thing

he'd definitely see
it. (4.00 / 1)
Then the question
becomes what he
would/could do with
it. dave knows that
he's "out" already so
the actual harm
would be minimal.
Not like his daddy is
gonna fire him.
( BTW, that may
eventually what does
him in, daddy does a
bit of muni work.)
Wouldn't be surprised
if Pager or a little
birdy were willing to
carry his water for
him. As tempting as
it is I'd stay away
from that.
by: ugog @ Thu Nov

13, 2008 at 12:44:23

PM CST
[ Parent ]
anothe bigot, another meltdown (4.00 / 2)

saildude reminds me of floridaguy and needs an escort off the premises.
http://www.dailykos.com/user/u...
by: trashablanca @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:51:59 AM CST
asshole gives sailors a bad name (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:06:40 PM CST

[ Parent ]
Dave is plotting a NN 09 assault? (4.00 / 2)

Netroots 2009 is going to be fun (0.00 / 0)
99% of the people there won't be Kossacks and the other one percent are
going to learn a LOT.
by: davefromqueens @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:49:55 AM CST
I would love to run into that ratfucking psycho there.
I doubt he'd have the balls to show up. (4.00 / 2)

It's still ten months (?) away and he's gonna be doing much more
of the same between now and then. dave is already PNG at the
kos, the sewer and MyDD. No telling how many more folk are
gonna hate him by next summer.

[ Parent ]
WTF is this about? (4.00 / 2)

More mutual masturbation for bored trolls (4.00 / 2)

they know they're being watched and are trying to stir up shit.
Fucking liars.

[ Parent ]
Could MajorFlaud be dave instead of Greg? (4.00 / 2)

I think they (4.00 / 1)

take turns writing those diaries.

[ Parent ]
fdsa (4.00 / 1)
As I've said in the past (0.00 / 0)

what happened with bottles was a thing for the
courts and it was dealt with there. DFQ went too
far and I think we'll all suffer for it. And if
anyone doesn't believe Dave is majorflaud,
you're delusional.
That would be like not recognizing "goatse" was
me...

I'm gonna go find myself some people who can

hold their liquor, don't talk about their bleached
assholes and aren't obsessed with poop.
by: the hamburgler @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at
20:15:30 PM CST

[ Parent ]
I'm tempted to drop a d0nut on TocqueDeville herein: (4.00 / 2)

any thoughts?
I'd leave him alone (4.00 / 2)

He writes some damn good diaries, but has a bit of a social
disorder like Stranded Wind, Translator and another good diarist
who's name escapes me right now. Just my $0.02.

[ Parent ]
OK, I'll leave him alone. (4.00 / 2)

I just don't like anyone saying STFU other than me ;-)

[ Parent ]
The UGoG are two for two in nailing pffters: (4.00 / 2)
Yes I was DeepBottomFisher (0.00 / 0)

I decided today was the day to give up one of my 9 nics
and I picked the weakest link. 6 you can't figure out just
yet, they'll go at least til June of 09 undetected. 3 of
them though have made the rec list in the past month. 1
of the other 2 is quite week, Lloyd/bottles you are going
to come up in that diary. Google "Who is condoleaser."
Note Kostapo that up until today "deepbottomfisher" had
an entirely different writing style, entirely different
issues, and was deliberately using a very dummy downed
writing style. Note how EVERY diary didn't have a
prayer's chance in hell of making the rec list. Note that
this nic, should I have so chosen, could go years
undetected.
I'm going to give up another nic later this week so be

patient.
Oh, remember. Kos does not speak for democrats or the

netroots. Whatever candidate goes to him loses our
support (exception being if he is running against a
scumbag who unfairly attacked Max Cleeland so Martin
gets my support here although this was stupid on
Martin's part to do so.)
Enjoy your irrelevancy. Like Blogfather like Son.
by: davefromqueens @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 13:08:17

PM CST

I sent this (4.00 / 2)

as a quote and a link, to many admins, as a heads-up.
One second apart (in posting). (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
OK, who the hell is this MB? (4.00 / 2)

MBNYC (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Thanks. (4.00 / 2)

CST
[ Parent ]
Apparently he blew a gasket in shanikka's

(sp?) (4.00 / 2)
diary this past weekend and resolved to take
some time off. Kinda arrogant of dave to offer
to leave him alone as long as he stays away.
I've been in sporadic touch with MB--he's a NY
guy too. Should I send him a heads up on this?
We have mostly discussed pffters in the past.

CST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I think you should (4.00 / 2)

he hast the right to know.
by: trashablanca @ Thu Nov 13, 2008

at 14:55:54 PM CST
[ Parent ]
here you go... (4.00 / 2)

all admins notified
I saved it as a web page, too.
check out this (4.00 / 2)

comment

[ Parent ]

Cross posted at the new shithole: (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
BTW, that does answer my question from above:

(4.00 / 2)
MajorFlaud is dave at least some of the time.

[ Parent ]
Sent an email to admin about Ross from Maryland (4.00 / 2)

and he's now banned: http://www.dailykos.com/user/R...
And the natives are getting quite sick of dfq (4.00 / 2)

He's like house guests and fish. You want him out after three days.
I thought that not outing people was their one rule? (4.00 /
2)
How about soapblox, don't they have any rules?

[ Parent ]
two rules: (4.00 / 2)

no paedophilia, no outing "real" info about people. does
what he posted meet that test?

[ Parent ]
Methinks what they're gonna hang their hat

on (4.00 / 2)
is the word, "users". Since bottles isn't a user
there they may not feel the need to protect him.
This will be a kinda defining moment for that
site as any semblance of respectability will be
lost if they allow it to remain. smirking jack is
prolly thinking this over as we speak.

CST
[ Parent ]
davefromqueens is not well. (4.00 / 2)
Yes Alec, Outing Is wrong (0.00 / 0)

I'll stand up for Flaud and yes I know who she is and yes
we email and my response to Lloyd is tough shit b/c I
had a nic ready to go to do something similar.
Outing is so wrong that I am looking forward to DailyKos
agreeing that outing is wrong and an AUTOMATIC
BANNING offense. I'm sure they will acknowledge this.
I'm sure MajorFlaw will be banned for outing 3 different

people. Yes the DK administrators are gonna take care of
that tonite b/c outing is so wrong.

And bottles will go too for all the transgressions I've

previously outlined.
And I look forward to musing85, trashablanca,

taylormattd, sofia, lucius, and others showing their
outrage and disgust and linking to all the times they
gave troll ratings to Flaw for this conduct.
These people are kooks, wingnuts, smear merchants,

and have no ethics. Actually Pager is right that they
don't need me to destroy themselves. (and yes Pager
don't respond either)
Now they are the real Sewer and have Stalinist, yes that
is the correct word, mentalities and have no concept of
the basic law of physicas - Actions have reactions.
Lloyd, Flaw, Kos, and others have brought this on

themselves. If I am as "unhinged" as they claim, it's
amazing that they'd want to mess with me b/c
"unhinged" people are truly capable of anything.
PM CST
(emphasis added)
Hey condo, looks like you have a fan: (4.00 / 2)
bottles is a real nasty person (0.00 / 0)
by: abbeysbooks @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 20:45:30 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
I have no sympathy for him (0.00 / 0)

I have a very simple moral philosophy - Don't throw the
first punch but if punched, throw the next 3 and make
them all much harder.
Example - I oppose the idea of going to someone's house
to film them or do an ambush interview with ONE
exception - I support it against people who do it to
others.
Therefore I would never support going to the homes of

Fox News personalities like Hume, Smith, Kilmeade,
Doocy, Jenkins, and others because they have NEVER
done that to others. O'reilly? Different story.
Same thing here. I oppose outing people with one

exception - people that out others. Flaw and bottles
have outed others and the posses have supported them.
To me all are fair game and so are Kos and Klawson.
Different set of rules for them. For example, SusanG,
Georgia, Meteorblades, etc... have never done anything
or shown any inclination of supporting this crap. And
there are others. Thus I would NEVER out them, do an
ambush interview with a camcorder on them, etc... But

if Kos goes to a book signing in PUBLIC, he's fair game to

be asked all these questions and I have no problem
paying someone to be a reporter for an hour.
They like linking my real name, linking a previous nick

without permission, attacking kids, and linking the real
names of several people, well what comes around goes
around.
Now if Lloyd wants to continue messing with

people, I wouldn't be surprised if copies of that
court case gets left in the mailboxes of all his
neighbors and coworkers. If I was in his shoes, I
would just shut my fucking pie hole up and quietly log
off.
PM CST
my coworkers? (4.00 / 2)
oh, noez; not my coworkers!
we getting warmer, here...?

[ Parent ]
I heard your coworkers can't stand you (4.00 / 2)

and now you have to work alone.

CST
[ Parent ]
pretty much. (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 22:05:03 PM

CST
[ Parent ]



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davefromqueens is MajorFlaud, there, "mystery" solved.

I saw what happened (apparent outting of people's real info) and it
was deleted by the author before I had proof of the breaking of any
site rules so no banning has occured:
Listen, I don't give a shit if kos raped your mother and posted it on
fucking YouTube, don't out people's real life info here!
If you make your own fucking site and post all that info , honestly, I
can't stop you, but not here.

Furthermore, get off the Dkos shit in general.
If a sockpuppet of yours gets shot down then post it, we'll all have a
little chuckle, and go on with our lives.
Other than that, no one here gives a shit about your personal blog
drama bullshit.
Honest. Open. Reliable. ,
<3 JSR <3
Tags: daily thred, (All

Tags)
Clinton Fein (4.00 / 2)

Not a typical troll, he's an artist and free speech absolutist who posted a diary with an
image of "Jew Dis" Lieberman:
I dropped a few d0nuts on him for it.
wow (4.00 / 2)
what a fucking vid
Cool diary about Obama's house (4.00 / 2)

I went to grammar school and jr high at a Missouri Synod parochial school with 2-3
grades taught in each class. Mo Synod wasn't liberal then and isn't now, afaik.

dave (4.00 / 2)
irrepressible as ever
I'm guessing the distribution of court docs in the real world could rise to something
actionable, bar-wise...?
I wouldn't think so as long as they are accurate copies. (4.00 / 2)

Lest it get overlooked, compare these with that cited in my OP,
davefromqueens is MajorFlaud, there, "mystery" solved.
I said in a thread 3 hrs earlier (0.00 / 0)

I would not do another one the entire month.
I've made my point, in fact made them too strongly,
I've accomplished what I wanted accomplished, I'm done,

moving on to issues.
I know who she is (0.00 / 0)

I don't have the keys but we do share info.
Anyway I told her to hold off for a while. I promised no
more DK diaries this month. I've more than made my points.
I have put the info out there. I have reached the point
where if I keep writing diaries here on this subject
frequently that it will backfire on me.
I Imed her (0.00 / 0)

she said she'll do it.

I've done the job I wanted done (0.00 / 0)

Now I still have a bunch of those new user IDS and access
to old ones to post over there to either post blunt truths or
slowly plant little info.
dave is a liar, he can't even keep his story together in one thread. If he had
anything on me or anyone else he would have used it already. I guarantee he
would have used anything he had on me well before he would have gotten
around to you. By talking about what else he "could" do he is simply
overplaying his hand. He's got nothing.
However if he does distribute copies of your legal docs it might amount to

stalking. I'd have to see your local statutes.

[ Parent ]
WattleBreakfast (4.00 / 2)
Serial TR abuser and all around asshole:
He's evolved from HR'ing me to whining (4.00 / 2)

about what a meanie I am. I wonder which sewer-dweller he is over there.
And I'm a Blue Meanie, dammit!

[ Parent ]
He also took a nasty shot at Mr. Musing (4.00 / 2)

which doesn't sit well with me. I'm thinking he doesn't belong there.

[ Parent ]
There? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
OK, anywhere. (4.00 / 2)

I'm talking about WattleBreakfast.
BTW, one of dave's socks has emerged again:

[ Parent ]
I went there, (4.00 / 1)

left some comments, and rated people.
saw all the kissy kissy at the end, didn't

buy it.
by: condo @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at

11:13:46 AM CST
[ Parent ]
I"m not sold either: (0.00 / 0)
also (0.00 / 0)
Be nice to your
neighbors
especially when
you live with
100s of them in
the same
building.
This way, when
you visit or
help somebody
and say you
need to use the
computer for 5
minutes, you
always have a
new number
previously
untracked.
by:
davefromqueens
@ Fri Nov 14,
2008 at
23:08:35 PM
CST
[ Parent ]
and one more
thing (0.00 / 0)
I have relatives
and old friends
across the
country.
Good to be
good to them
too.
YOu give them

a link to a
website, give
them a name
and password,
and then give
them text to
copy and paste.
Takes 90
seconds.
by:
davefromqueens
@ Fri Nov 14,
2008 at
23:17:11 PM
CST
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at

15:39:39 PM CST
[ Parent ]
There? (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Marr is from Venus (4.00 / 1)

I'm smelling a zombie here:




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wtf is this? (4.00 / 2)

Lloyd/bottles who came here and posted my personal information weeks
before conservodem apparently retaliated.
Rumor has it that "conservodem" has 50 copies of those legal papers ready
to be dropped off at Lloyd's neighbor's houses if Lloyd ever messes with
any person at this or any other person in the blogosphere again. Rumor
also has it that if Lloyd has learned his lesson, those papers will eventually
end up in the garbage.
why does he think I did that?
is it something that "hypocrite hater" did, and he thinks it's me?
by: condo @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 10:12:04 AM CST
I doubt that he honestly thinks it however (4.00 / 1)

it may be convenient for him to pretend that he believes it. From
his comment it isn't clear to me that conservodem isn't himself.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 15:36:38 PM CST

[ Parent ]
now I'm confused (4.00 / 1)

are you saying that maybe the guy with

Markos is hated by most progressives.

REad freespeechzoneblog.com
in his bio isn't dave?

[ Parent ]
Now I'm doubly confused. (4.00 / 2)

What are we talking about here? I was
suggesting that "consevodem" is actually dave,
that dave posted his own outing info and is
using it as an excuse to post outing info about
others. At first I thought it might be Braveheart
but this makes more sense. Could you spell out
your point in single syllable words for me? I've
gotten a bunch of emails on the "Christine"
subject and dealing with them is making my
head spin.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 at 19:13:51 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
top of this thread: (4.00 / 2)
Lloyd/bottles who
came here and
posted my personal
information weeks
before conservodem
apparently retaliated.
my take on this is that dave thinks the

user who posted his personal info was
me. I think I remember a user
"hypocrite hater," or something, who
may have done that. wasn't me; I've
never posted there.
conservodem was dave - he even

admitted as much, right...? - and that
was the user who "retaliated" by
posting the diary outing me which was
deleted.
nothing to do with christine.

20:45:43 PM CST
[ Parent ]
M'kay, I may have some of

the players confused.
(4.00 / 2)
A few days ago someone
posted outing info on dave at
the sewer. I disremember the
nic. dave acted like he
thought it was you and I
thought it might have been
Braveheart. I'm suggesting
that it was hisownself as an

excuse for future outings. It

appears that dave isn't just
playing folks at the kos, he's
playing the sewer rats as well.
Perhaps an email to smirking
jack telling him that whoever
posted that outing info on
dave wasn't one of us?
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 15, 2008

at 21:06:40 PM CST
[ Parent ]
that was when I

sent (4.00 / 2)
that note to darrell,
via his wife, telling
him it wasn't me -
because that same
character was
tormenting him, also,
iirc.
when you say,

"Perhaps an email,"
you mean me, right?
by: condo @ Sat Nov

15, 2008 at 21:24:30
PM CST
[ Parent ]
Who else
has
established
a budding
friendship?
(4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @
Sun Nov 16,
2008 at
01:15:05
AM CST
[ Parent ]
OK, heretical maybe, but this is funny! (4.00 / 2)




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is this the pacified (4.00 / 2)

from soapblox?
Yes, I saw that too. (4.00 / 2)

Not sure what to make of it. He still hasn't replied to my email of
several days ago. Note Lauren S comment lower in that subthread.

[ Parent ]
Suspicious new poster "stoop down baby" (4.00 / 2)

Any thoughts?
totally (4.00 / 2)
a sewer denizen, or might as well be. their banning burns them,
deeply, 24/7/365.

[ Parent ]
I crossed paths with that unit about a week ago. (4.00 / 2)

The name is from a Chick Willis song and when I saw him I gave
mojo and said so. It's response, including not returning mojo was
quite suspicious. Wouldn't be surprised if that's a dave sock.

[ Parent ]
And he's already found his way into troll alley. (4.00 / 1)
Good catch.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 01:09:57 AM CST

[ Parent ]
From the same Nadirite diary, another douchebag (4.00 / 2)

to keep an eye on: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
soccergrandmom shows her colors (4.00 / 2)

I detect a whiff of sewage.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 00:41:50 AM CST
Shall we make this one go away? (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Worth a nudge and a wink (4.00 / 2)

opposite day today, methinks.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 01:25:08 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Not sure I follow. (4.00 / 2)

I've still got d0nuts left and we can hide the
comment. However from a tactical POV there is
value in simply posting comments which make it
clear that we're on to him, comments which are
gonna make us look very good in the future.
Your call. BTW, I have posted videos of Chick
Willis doing that very song at the kos and that is
undoubtedly where dave got the idea.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 01:28:54 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
I assumed go away meant hiding

(4.00 / 2)
but a wink is as good as a nudge, as
you pointed out, albeit differently.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17, 2008

at 01:32:54 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Yup, that's what I meant.

(4.00 / 2)
In the interests of total clarity,
you just wanna leave it there

and take shots at him. That

works too. Once we've outed
one of his socks he appears to
abandon them. Haven't seen
Max Window lately.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 17, 2008

at 01:35:22 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Well, he claims
he's leaving clues
(4.00 / 2)
and they are cheeto-
stained, but he's such
a liar and a WATB. I
think Jack's gonna
have to ejaculate
eject him soon
because of self-
control issues.
by: trashablanca @
Mon Nov 17, 2008 at
01:40:58 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Ya know,
the pffters
had a point
the other
day. (4.00 /
2)
jack did out
dave as
MajorFlaud.
It does
appear that
dave has
become PNG
in the sewer
rather
quickly.
BTW, I
doubled
down on
your d0nut
here:
http://www.
dailykos.
com/
commen...
by: ugog @
Mon Nov 17,
2008 at
01:44:41
AM CST
[ Parent ]
another one gets a hmmmm... (2.50 / 2)

watershed posted the singing hockey mom diary, but the ease in fitting in
is a mite abrupt, imo.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 00:53:55 AM CST

Um, yeah. (4.00 / 2)

Don't believe I've seen him around before yet he's quite
comfortable.

[ Parent ]



by: ugog
I'd like to ask a question. Assuming that Leftside of Christine isn't actually a dave Username:
sockpuppet could someone tell me why dave hasn't said a word at the sewer about
Saturday nights entertainment. I was sure of it then and his silence on the question
speaks volumes. Why isn't he celebrating his victory and ridiculing me for making a Password:
mistake? Methinks we're getting better at spotting him--and don't forget Max Window.
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Sad: (4.00 / 2)
and here is another clue for those morans (0.00 / 0)

I never have nor ever will insult anyone in Barack Obama's family.
Retaliate against an asshole who outs personal info? That is
something I'm capable of doing. Writing that asshole diary about
Michelle's teeth? Sorry, not me.
But I'll give you a clue for an upcoming sockpocket. You did well
decoding barfogs, there will be a much more challenging word scramble
for you down the road so hone up on your skills and see if you can spot
it.
by: davefromqueens @ Sun Nov 16, 2008 at 22:45:01 PM CST
yes on LoC (4.00 / 2)

and as for Max - I think we should, maybe, consider holding back on letting him know we
know, in future, so as to provide maximum cordage for autoasphyxiation, yes...?
I dunno about that. (4.00 / 2)

There is something to be said for leaving the type of comment that can later be
pointed to while saying, "I told y'all so." Be good if we got the rep as solid dave
spotters.
I'm wondering at what point dave becomes the most memorable troll the kos
has ever seen? Can't recall anyone else pulling this sort of act.

[ Parent ]
I'd like to go on record as saying (4.00 / 1)

fuck dave.

[ Parent ]
You win these things over time, person by person.

(4.00 / 2)
Whenever his name comes up at the kos more folks see it and
climb on the bandwagon. He's becoming a notorious troll.

[ Parent ]
Fuck dave with a sandblasted pogo stick (4.00 /

2)
Pariahs avoid his skanky, megalomaniacal, pepperoni
pizzaed ass.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 15:04:43

PM CST
[ Parent ]
That's what was missing... (4.00 / 2)

a voice of moderation.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 15:12:36

PM CST
[ Parent ]
My dislike actually shows?

(4.00 / 2)
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 17,

2008 at 15:44:41 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Just a little... (4.00 / 2)

around your ears. Have
we determined that
lbreckenripple was dave?
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 17,

2008 at 21:26:12 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I have. (4.00 / 2)
He doesn't take
insulting well at
all.
by: trashablanca
@ Mon Nov 17,
2008 at 21:39:47
PM CST
[ Parent ]
While I
placed
"lb" as
a troll a
while
ago I
wouldn't
have
(4.00 /
2)
connected
it with
dave.
Lotta
hostility,
racism
and
misogyny
there. If
that
really is
him--and
lb
doesn't
deny it--
he really
is a sick
puppy.
by: ugog
@ Mon
Nov 17,
2008 at
22:12:19
PM CST
[ Parent ]
Accidental comedy gold from dave (4.00 / 2)

currently (0.00 / 0)
comments are gone when a diary is deleted.
by: the hamburgler @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 16:19:51 PM CST
Wait (0.00 / 0)
I thought I was doing everybody a favor.
You wanted less meta I got rid of most of the meta, gone, vaporized into the night.
Now you want it back?

by: davefromqueens @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 17:15:41 PM CST
once again (0.00 / 0)

the point sails harmlessly over your head.
Dozens of our comments calling your "quest" Quixotic are gone. Now, to the outside
world, we all fall in line with your "bring down kos" message.
by: the hamburgler @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 17:27:42 PM CST
@ http://www.freespeechzoneblog....
great (4.00 / 2)
comment:
I was much thinner then, but yes, the codpiece is 100% full of what I
like to call my "Otvos." I also took one from the other side that shows
off my cute little "Ormond," care to see it?
Keep an eye out for (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/C...
a hunch
UID is about right. (4.00 / 2)

Picking up cheap mojo with meaningless comments too. Nothing that argues
against this being a sock.

[ Parent ]
Yup. What pisses me off now (4.00 / 2)

Is I can't cut n00bs slack. You've prolly noticed I give out mojo like a
hooker gives out herpes.

[ Parent ]
Yup, exactly. (4.00 / 2)

dave has succeeded at making us a bit paranoid.

[ Parent ]
w00t, otra vez! This is the bestest yet! (4.00 / 2)

funny CT heaven. And don't it make my brown eyes blue? Wait . . .
Geez, the paranoia is contagious. (4.00 / 2)

Now I'm a creation of MSOC? Who knew.

[ Parent ]
I'm sooo confused. You didn't create me, didja? (4.00 / 2)

I keep forgetting . . .

[ Parent ]
Don't think so. (4.00 / 2)

My powers of creation are highly exaggerated. Check the label
on the back of your neck--that'll tell you who created you.
Also gives laundry instructions.

[ Parent ]
browneyes? (4.00 / 2)
I like her. wtf?

[ Parent ]
I was surprised to see that as well. (4.00 / 2)

She emailed me over the weekend and appears to be very anti-dave
and pffter.

[ Parent ]
I wuz created by tumble dry gentle? (4.00 / 2)

that is so cool! My mom, Fling in teh Wind, is gonna be pizzers, yeh!
AmbroseBurnside (4.00 / 2)
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old smellyarse (4.00 / 2)

Might be dave/lbreckenripple, definitely some sort of troll:
KosKoolAid (4.00 / 2)
Need I say anything here:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/K...
IMHO (4.00 / 2)
those discussions of who isn't and who is dave, openly, on dkos, are gonna add a lot of fuel to his insanity.

[ Parent ]
He's becoming quite notorious. (4.00 / 2)

I wasn't joking about him having a meltdown. I'm afraid this isn't gonna end well.

[ Parent ]
funny vid, btw... (4.00 / 2)

heh
I propose that vid as the official UG0G Theme Song™

[ Parent ]
But what do we do when dave is no more and (4.00 / 2)

it's no longer relevant? This is a big decision here, perhaps we should wait for
trashy to weigh in.

[ Parent ]
no, I think it underscores (4.00 / 2)

an ongoing theme.

[ Parent ]
I'm working on a list of dave socks. (4.00 / 2)

I've got lrbredckenripple, max window, deepbottom fisher and
leftside of chrisitne. Have I missed any others? This is gonna be
posted as a response here:

[ Parent ]
watershed? (4.00 / 2)
what about the two acronymic ones, the one that had a
clue on fsz...?

[ Parent ]
not acronymic (4.00 / 2)

anagrammatic
by: condo @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:27:35 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Right, Barfog somethingaruther? (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:29:24 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Found it. (4.00 / 2)

gfsarbo

CST
[ Parent ]
and one other, maybe (4.00 / 2)

some scrambled letter shit. maybe
trashie knows.
by: condo @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 at

09:44:23 AM CST
[ Parent ]
I wrote to an admin (4.00 / 2)

and said just what you did - now banned.

[ Parent ]
this is supposed to (4.00 / 2)

lead to a sock-clue?
can't find it.
I wrote to browneyes today, asking her about the sock, and sharing my opinion that it's not best to discuss these socks
openly, maybe, but to let them hang theyselves first. will share responses.
what about this guy? (4.00 / 2)

4kedtongue

crossposts at sewer
dave is back: (4.00 / 2)

could always accuse him of being (4.00 / 2)

a turnoff troll...eh?

[ Parent ]
Ack. (4.00 / 2)
You shoulda posted a warning with that one.

[ Parent ]
wouldn't it be cool (4.00 / 2)

if someone other than any of us posted that...?

[ Parent ]
Yes and no. (4.00 / 2)

It would be cool for a moment but we'd lose the moral high ground. Don't really
wanna do that (yet).

[ Parent ]
spoilsport (4.00 / 2)
me and trash are aching to do it.
but you're right.

[ Parent ]
I know... (4.00 / 2)
but it really feels to me that we're winning. The tide done turned
in our favor. Wouldn't wanna do anything to blow it. dave already
knows he's completely out. All posting that picture would do is
provide a twisted justification for him to do jeebus knows what.

[ Parent ]
anyone interested in (4.00 / 2)

hiding this?
I'd love to, just on general principle but (4.00 / 2)

it isn't clearcut and we'll prolly need all our d0nuts today.

[ Parent ]
inneresting comment (4.00 / 2)

in a dfq sock diary, by someone I found while looking at MF's comments - he HRed wrong...
Not sure I follow all that. (4.00 / 2)

I saw that he commented in gfsarbo's previous diary. Are you suggesting that it's dave trying to earn cred for
another sock?

[ Parent ]
I'm not sure, either (4.00 / 2)

just wanted to shine some light on that: the bad HR, the comment in dave's diary. not sure what it
means, either, if anything.

[ Parent ]
Eddie C posted a pic of DFQ in HID (4.00 / 2)

Woke up sick this am. Slept most of the day. Up now and brain's not working. Teh dumb is strong with me today.
Perfect. (4.00 / 2)
We get the impact of posting his face--and can link to that forever--without lifting a finger.
Hot liquids, trash. If you've got some chicken soup/broth, throw some garlic in it and call it lunch.

[ Parent ]
lunch? at a quarter after six...? (4.00 / 2)

pee em?

[ Parent ]
Well, I am on the left coast . . . (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
I wuz under the impression that trashy is on (4.00 / 2)

the left coast thus three hours earlier. Of course if he's been sleeping all day breakfast is
whenever.

[ Parent ]
dfq will reveal all his sockpuppets at NN (4.00 / 2)

This asshole's delusions keep growing and growing . . .
Great advice, lay low (1.00 / 1)

At next year's netroots nations, I will be revealing every sockpuppet of mine at Dailykos, directly, through others, etc...
I'm also willing to do it in an affidavit, signed and notarized for everyone, meaning that if it is found that I have lied,
then I would probably lose my license to practice law. So I have to lay low on the nics.
I do claim deepbottomfisher but as you can see that really doesn't count for it was code for trojandolphin and was just
to demonstrate to people that I can write in 15 different styles if necessary. Not a trace. As you can tell I do write well.
Also I will neither confirm or deny conservodem. That wasn't a sockpuppet though, that was retaliation.
Now for all these "hundreds" of sockpuppets, you will just have to keep on guessing although I will provide you clues.
(Isn't that fun? I also had a 12-2 record in tournament scrabble {only b/c I choked in one game and should have been
13-1 but lost 3 turns b/c the updated dictionary took out 3 words that were in the dictionary I thought was the tourney
dictionary} and was ranked in the top 200 in the country in short order {could have climbed to top 30 in 2 more
tourneys} so unscrambling letters comes naturally for me. I used to have every 2 and 3 letter word memorized by
heart.)
I can not take direct credit for any of these other "sockpuppets" at this time for I am taking your advice and laying low.
But I will reveal every last one of them at Netroots Nation and I keep an active list on my computer. (For future
reference, deepbottomfisher and conservodem will not be referred to as sockpuppets for the reasons given.)
Anyway, welcome to FSZ, feel free to share your thoughts on issues of the day. And you have to get a better pic of me,
I've lost 20 pounds and that double chin is gone.
by: davefromqueens @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 21:47:08 PM CST
dave won't have the balls to show up. (4.00 / 2)

If he announces that he's gonna be there I just might pay a visit specifically for the purpose of introducing him
to my right foot.

[ Parent ]
"memorized by heart" (4.00 / 2)

what an unutterable dickweed.

[ Parent ]
from browneyes, that thread: (4.00 / 2)
Anyway, I look forward to seeing what you've got in store for us. :-)
wtf?

[ Parent ]
I hope she's being an agent provocateur (4.00 / 2)

but kissing that fool's ass is a bit much.

[ Parent ]
Good question. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
t4ehg3q (4.00 / 2)
He's back:
Paul Simon is singing American Tune on TCR right now (4.00 / 2)

He's one of my favorite all-time singer songwriters, and a master musician, imo.
Singer and songwriter I can see (4.00 / 2)

but musician? Where has he shown any unusual ability as a musician?

[ Parent ]
Dude his composing is complex (4.00 / 2)

his chord and tempo changes are amazing. I have a lot of musician friends and they all tell me that
he is a master of his craft.

[ Parent ]
Yes, and his craft is songwriting. (4.00 / 2)

Segovia was a master musician but not a writer at all. It's just a different category.
Ellington was a master composer but not a master musician. Tatum was the finest pianist
whoever lived but never wrote a song. Monk was a great writer but an ordinary player. The
list is endless. They're different skills.

[ Parent ]
Just listen to his guitar work carefully sometime (4.00 / 2)

I stand by my pronouncement and you, sir, are a poopyhead ;=}

[ Parent ]
Pffft. Like to see Rhymin' Simon try this on for size: (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
you fell right into his trap (4.00 / 2)

gotta read what MF says very carefully. he's a turnoff troll, trying to get good, usual
grownups to leave the site. or maybe a turnip troll.

[ Parent ]
Check these out (4.00 / 2)

http://blogcritics.org/archive...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


[ Parent ]
Dave lies yet again (4.00 / 2)

and lied to the FSMers about posting meta:
We really should keep the dfq meta talk off DK (4.00 / 2)

and starve the evil ego.

[ Parent ]
I dunno. (4.00 / 2)
While he definitely gets off on it the more he's discussed at the kos the more folks are turned off to
him. It's as if he's waging a PR campaign--for us.

[ Parent ]
I just read that. (4.00 / 2)

Can you tell me what his point is? He seems to be suggesting that he hasn't used any socks other than
deepbottomfisher yet I doubt that's true. And he doesn't actually say it either. And unless it is true his entire
premise is silly. Would I look foolish if it were true? Sure, but since it isn't true, so fucking what. Has he
finally lost his last contact with reality?

[ Parent ]
He and reality have parted ways (4.00 / 2)

and are sailing in opposite directions. The blaz stopped by to mock dave in person over at the sewer;
pretty funny.

[ Parent ]
Perhaps dave made a deal with smirking jack? (4.00 / 2)

He sure seems to be bringing him some traffic.
by: ugog @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 00:02:00 AM CST

[ Parent ]
hey, on your list (4.00 / 2)

don't forget conservodem. I'm not confirming or denying, though.

[ Parent ]
Funny thing... (4.00 / 2)

Neither confirming nor denying actually sounds guiltier than an admission.

[ Parent ]
you noticed that, too? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
First reply: (4.00 / 2)
Thought I'd stop by (3.00 / 1)

to give you all a giggle.
Hello to everyone I know!
And Howdy to everyone I don't.
As for dfq specifically....
Uh, who cares?
Honestly.
Maybe some people out there give two shits and a stroke about you, but as for me, I'm not
worried about Internet-Tough-Guy davefromqueens and his army of sockpuppets invading
dailykos and....
What exactly?
Gaining illicit mojo from people?
Getting on the recommended list so you can brag about it here?
Getting on the recommended list so you can then swap out the text and call out all your
enemies?
Have fun, dude.
I'm sure that I'll end up giving plenty of recommends to whatever sockpuppets you create.
So, you'll fool me plenty.
Yay for dave! So smart!
Honestly, it's not that hard to pretend to be someone you're not on a site with thousands
and thousands of people on it.
So, once it becomes clear--once you take off your mask with a flourish and say, "Haha! It
was I, davefromqueens, all along! Don't you feel like an idiot??"--I'll just spend a few
minutes mocking you and then forget you twice as fast.
If this is your life's quest, then again, I repeat my heartfelt hopes that you're sterile and
have no offspring, and wish you well on your solo journey into stupidity.
Cheers!
by: TheBlaz @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 23:54:50 PM CST

[ Parent ]
triv33 stopped by too (4.00 / 2)

Well my urge to register an post over there just died a welcome death. I ain't gonna drive up traffic
over there for love or money.

[ Parent ]
I wouldn't want smirking jack to have my IP either. (4.00 / 2)

Any progress on that email to jack, condo?

[ Parent ]
none (4.00 / 2)
what do I want to say, again? "who were you, and why were you band? linkies?
and like that?

[ Parent ]
Well, sorta. (4.00 / 2)

The points I'd like to make are:
1. Linky to where you were banned needed.

2. We don't have the power to make it happen but we can ask.
3. If we're gonna ask for you we're gonna need something in return.
4. kos admins are prolly sick of this too and they are gonna want
something in return too.
5. I understand the delicacy of your position but howz about nuking dave.
6. Let's call this war off.

[ Parent ]
FSMers? (4.00 / 2)
Flying Spaghetti Monsterers?

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kestrel9000 (4.00 / 2)
Taking another shot at me:
awwww... (4.00 / 2)
kessie's bored

[ Parent ]
I was very tempted to point out that in his monkey

(4.00 / 2)
metaphor he was the drunk guy.

[ Parent ]
Now I think I read the lay of the land: (4.00 / 2)

browneyes and Pager are friends.
I wrote to ms. eyes again (4.00 / 2)

despite no answer the last time, to say I'd never outed dave
anywhere, and why doesn't she ask him where I did so - as it's
the basis he claims for his attacks on me.
I don't expect an answer to this one, either, though.

[ Parent ]
I thought I dealt with that in a public comment.

(4.00 / 2)
Either she believes me or she doesn't.

[ Parent ]
MsLaura (4.00 / 2)
chimes in
I responded to her there and (4.00 / 1)

there:
What I wanted to say was, "Don't mess with the UGoG."


[ Parent ]
interesting how we get to hear about (4.00 / 2)

not taking the bait, but she chides k9k not, for offering
the bait.

[ Parent ]
Perhaps she recognizes that he's a lost

cause. (4.00 / 2)
It's like the suggestion that you should try to
reason with the dave unit.

CST
[ Parent ]
I thought about that, and (4.00 / 2)

I'd really like to think you're right.
by: condo @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at

14:43:38 PM CST
[ Parent ]
You guys were mean to K9K (4.00 / 2)

He had to run over to FSZ for comfort and succor:
ya, saw that (4.00 / 2)

what a maroon. ugly, too.

[ Parent ]
Swiftboat McCain NOW (4.00 / 2)
Fairly blatant Joo hater:

needz bant (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
dfq inspired poetry by howardx (4.00 / 2)

made the insults into a poem (99.00 / 1)
50 year old virgin, a guy who has lost it
a 400 lb ass, anti-semitic
pathological ego, paranoid mind
smear merchant, lunatic.
genuinely concerned about his mental health,

living in my mother's basement,
crazy asshole, quite disturbed,
toxic bag of excrement.
crap on a shoe, completely full of shit,

most notorious troll on the internets,
400 lbs of solid lard,
lost his mind somehow.

the line i shoot

will never miss
by: howardx @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 12:34:22 PM CST
zombie confession: (4.00 / 2)

sent to admins
This one got banned, but swiftie lives still. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
whom the fuck (4.00 / 1)

is this, pray?
and his friend, the diarist?
From the obsession with obscenity and (4.00 / 2)

homophobia directed at Lauren S I'm guessing it's dave again.
The diarist peter palin, that it. Of course the other one may be
another of his smelly socks.

[ Parent ]
it's right at his emotional level (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
What are they getting at with this one. (4.00 / 2)

you wrote an identical diary here (0.00 / 0)
to one at dk on the 15th:
I noticed it but being rather uninterestd in your whole

schtick, didn't say anything at the time. don't remember
what username you used there, but I think it began with
"C"
McCain Will Be Named Secretary of Veteran's Affairs
The kos search didn't find that one for me. Perhaps another dave sock still
active?
got a better link? (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
fdsa (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Could this be dave? (4.00 / 2)

Check diary history, this dude started posting right after the election and
has a single issue focus.
me negativity? (4.00 / 2)
rofl
You gotta see the comment I responded to: (4.00 / 2)

The "me" was a shot at his typing skills.

[ Parent ]
duh! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Meltdown on Aisle 9 (4.00 / 2)

Number nine
number 9
#9
"You've become naked.'
I prefer the response: (4.00 / 2)
I've got a poem too.
Roses are red,

Violets are blue,
If davefromqueens could suck his own dick,
He'd probably never leave his house.
Hooray for poems!
by: TheBlaz @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:55:35

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Our leader receives thanks from a grateful world: (4.00 / 2)

have we seen (4.00 / 2)

this?
Yes, I saw that when it was first posted. (4.00 / 2)

Is there anything about it that you are particularly noticing now?

[ Parent ]
just hadn't seen it (4.00 / 2)

and I wrote to you about it.

[ Parent ]
The Frank Vignola Quintet w/Casey Driessen-Luke (4.00 / 2)

Might as well go to the source. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
oh, my, yes. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
this POS (4.00 / 2)

is a "friend" of browneyes.
wtf, says I.
She uses that word rather loosely. (4.00 / 2)

I noticed in a sewer thread that she described me as a friend. While we've
exchanged a few friendly emails that falls far short of the mark for me.
"Friend" is one of the strongest words in my vocabulary and one I would
only apply to a handful of folks at the kos. And I wouldn't need all the
fingers.

[ Parent ]
January 21, 2009 (4.00 / 2)

Stolen from here:http://www.dailykos.com/
story/2008/11/20/20381/942/707/664405
One sunny day in January 21, 2009 an old man approached the
White House from Across Pennsylvania Avenue, where he'd been
sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the U.S. Marine standing
guard and said, "I would like to go in and
meet with President Bush."
The Marine looked at the man and said, "Sir, Mr. Bush is no
longer president and no longer resides here." The old man said,
"Okay", and walked away.
The following day, the same man approached the White House
and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go in and meet with
President Bush."
The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr.
Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here." The man
thanked him and, again, just walked away.
The third day, the same man approached the White House and
spoke to the very same U.S. Marine, saying "I would like to go in
and meet with President Bush."
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the

man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been
here asking to speak to Mr. Bush. I've told you already that Mr.
Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don't
you understand?"
The old man looked at the Marine and said, "Oh, I understand.
I just love hearing it." The Marine snapped to attention, saluted,
and said, "See you tomorrow, Sir."
Anybody got an extra donut? (4.00 / 2)

Asshole fucking hydrated claude: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
nevermind, claude uprated it. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
max window (4.00 / 2)

active again

That's dave. (4.00 / 2)

Should I blast him?

[ Parent ]
I'm all for blasting dave (4.00 / 1)

and I'm sure that's him - but not in a way I could easily
demonstrate, if challenged.
thoughts?

[ Parent ]
I'm willing to wait. (4.00 / 1)

We've already left enough of an "I told ya so" trail. Let
him do some blatant trolling.

[ Parent ]
MajorFlaud is back (4.00 / 2)




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twenty-six strings (4.00 / 2)

that's all.
my diary's (4.00 / 2)
tag history
and some (4.00 / 2)

comments

[ Parent ]
Folks get warned for that. (4.00 / 1)

If you wanna make an issue out of it.

[ Parent ]
A comedy classic (4.00 / 2)

croton (4.00 / 2)
troll
Hello, all. (4.00 / 3)

Just thought I'd say hi.
So here's some LOLZ for everyone: this morning, at 9:45 AM EST, I made a
comment disparaging some Zone residents.
It took until 10:59 CST for them to start to start chattering about it.
Not that they're obsessive or anything like that, of course.
by: MBNYC @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 17:29:24 PM CST
bicycle Hussein paladin (4.00 / 3)

UID 174871
This is definitely a zombie. Looks like a confession here:
As former Yankees manager Bob Lemon used to say to players

traded to the Yanks, "Welcome aboard, meat,"

[ Parent ]
nah, they're fuckin wit' ya (4.00 / 2)

imho

[ Parent ]
You're in good company here, MBNYC (4.00 / 3)

Notice the chilly reception dfq has been getting from the denizens?


[ Parent ]
Yes, I did notice that. (4.00 / 3)

No surprise, really, because while Dave may think he's
leading a courageous meta assault on the orange
ramparts, he's actually only talking about himself - his
sockpuppets, his plans, his ideas, his further actions,
his expeditions of punishment. That does get old kind of
quickly.
And thank you for having me. I'm so flattered :-)

[ Parent ]
wilkommen! (4.00 / 2)
bienvenue!

[ Parent ]
BTW, meet (4.00 / 2)

Ms. browneyes:
http://www.playboy.com/girls/p...
And, of course dave nails another one: (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
For a dude... (4.00 / 1)

browneyes has nice um, assets.

[ Parent ]
I am suspicious of browneyes (4.00 / 1)

just wanna go on record. too familiar, too
friendly, came out of nowhere, suddenly, recced
a lot of my shit, still does.
by: condo @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:16:05 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Agreed and for the same reasons.

(4.00 / 1)
Chose a bio that's seductive yet not
really traceable. Any chance dave's
correct about it being Braveheart?
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at

22:18:39 PM CST
[ Parent ]
you'd be the best judge of

that (4.00 / 1)
as you were most involved

with the BDC/dave thingy. do

you hear his voice in
browneyes' stuff?
by: condo @ Sat Nov 22, 2008

at 07:04:45 AM CST
[ Parent ]
No, I don't. (0.00 /

0)
Not yet anyway. The
one part of
Braveheart's cv that I
truly believe is that
he's a lawyer. When
he went after dave he
was clear and
organized. My take
on browneyes email
was "pretty good job
by a former Playboy
model." I suppose
we should check to
see when browneyes
signed up and
compare that with
when Braveheart got
nuked.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov

22, 2008 at 07:10:34
AM CST
[ Parent ]
Check the Recs on

this comment:
(0.00 / 0)
http://www.dailykos.
com/commen...
WTF is going on
there?
by: ugog @ Sat Nov

22, 2008 at 08:15:12
AM CST
[ Parent ]
Oh, snort. (4.00 / 3)

From that link, Dave's wisdom:
The website's Alexa ranking fell below

7000 for the first time in several years.
Most progressives hate Markos.
There's a lot going on behind the
scenes on this. I have plenty of allies
all over the place on this but as I've
told ya all b4, 99% of what I do is
behind the scenes. By 2010, Kos will
be on Berkeley street corners with a
megaphone b/c that will be about the
only time anyone will listen to the
Stalinist.
Seriously, that guy needs some compassionate

treatment. Maybe electroshocks?


[ Parent ]
If you're gonna go with electroshocks

(4.00 / 3)
I know just where to apply them.
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:25:43 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
lizhoyt (4.00 / 3)
Not really a troll but a troll diary nonetheless:
Looks like some fun.
A dumber than usual RW troll (4.00 / 2)

http://www.dailykos.com/user/F...
Admin is slow tonight.
I dropped a d0nut to get folks attention. (4.00 / 2)

Perhaps join me if you have a spare. I expect we'll be able to
retrieve them shortly.

[ Parent ]
Already used my last three on it (4.00 / 2)

emailed Barb too. She must be having a life or
something.

[ Parent ]
Looks like it's been hidden. (4.00 / 2)

Once an admin sees it I assume an escort will be
provided.
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:47:22 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
baykeeper (4.00 / 2)
Something fishy about this one. I doubled down on trashy's d0nut:
already toasted (4.00 / 2)

I think it was the same troll as fuckthedems, working both sides,
badly.

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Gonna see 'em tomorrow eve.
BTW, in keeping with this date if anyone has any doubts that Oswald did it
and acted alone--bring it.

Tags)
host (4.00 / 2)
Another troll diary from this asshole:
lizhoyt (4.00 / 2)
Definitely troll.
by: MBNYC @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 07:18:56 AM CST
She doesn't appear terribly fond of Joos. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Not really, no. (4.00 / 2)

And she has a diary about, drumroll, Hillary and the

Jews.

[ Parent ]
More Browneyes = braveheartdc (0.00 / 0)

I'll quickly summarize what I said yesterday.
Attacks on dailykos from the Right do not harm the site.
It's only the attacks from the left or center.
If you were going to be a right wing troll and you had the
brains of braveheart/browneyes, (he's not stupid) then I
would do EXACTLY what he's done. Anyone who has
observed the site knows that the best way to troll is to
join the Kostapo. Then you post a bunch of benign
comments, pile on on the meta, and then subtly go after
diarists and commenters one by one with concern
trolling, how they make the site look bad, how that
doesn't belong here, etc... And you drive those people
off.
I'l repeat again that Majorflaw is actually the biggest troll

at DailyKos and has done more to harm that site than
any other regular user ever. He has company though
with trash, bottles, and others.
Browneyes played it well and even though I can

demonstrate that she is actually the troll and I have
exposed the simple lies about the character she is trying
to impersonate (She also go caught lying about the band
and when it was on tour) I'm sure Flaw will protect him.
This one was posted first. (4.00 / 2)
How browneyes = braveheartdc (0.00 / 0)

I did the simple research, used the email that
she supposedly listed at dailykos, tracked down
the name in no time, and caught the lies.
The big lie being the age. She claimed to be 36
years old in the DailyKos recall which is true if
you check the name of the person she is trying
to impersonate.
However he got careless and then listed himself

a few days later as having been born in 1972.
The person he is impersonating was born

November 27, 1971. She's still 26.
There were other clues as well. Browneyes was

created back around May. You all remember
apolloxii. Same thing.
He gave them the pooties and put the name in

hibernation. With braveheart banned,
browneyes basically came out of the closet.


[ Parent ]
BraveheartDC? (4.00 / 2)
Who on earth is that?

[ Parent ]
BraveheartDC (4.00 / 2)
During my long battles with dave Braveheart
emerged as another of his antagonists. He is a
lawyer, and it showed as his attacks on dave
were substantive and organized. He's also a bit
unstable as he eventually got nuked for using a
sock. I believe he has also come back as
SlackwareGrrl. Braveheart is also my guess as
the source of the sewer diary which outed dave.
Several folks have claimed that he's a RWinger
but I didn't see his comments other than when
he confronted dave. For all I know he could be
connected with Hannity or some other RW
source. He definitely had it in for dave and he
and I played a bit of tag team. Overall a very
odd situation and I don't believe he's gone
away--although I'm not sure what he'd be trying
to accomplish now that dave has been nuked
from the site.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:04:16 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
AndyatKos sent me three links last night (4.00 / 2)

andyatkos@aol.com
to me
show details 2:30 AM (4 hours ago)
Reply
andyatkos@aol.com has sent you a link!
fuck you and prop 8
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by: trashablanca @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:32:25 AM CST
Hasn't that homophobe been nuked yet? (4.00 / 2)

WTF is he sending you links for?

[ Parent ]
You got me. (4.00 / 2)

I'm thinking that I should forward them to Barb and ask
for a banning. She has the flu, though and is
understandably out of it.

by: trashablanca @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:41:20 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Oh. ouch! (4.00 / 2)

David Sirota, that pompous twit, is getting eaten.
by: MBNYC @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 14:12:11 PM CST
Good. (4.00 / 2)
Glad I'm not the only one who caught on to that pompous ass's
act. He's a slightly more ethical version of davefromqueens.

[ Parent ]
I took my own shot: (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
Soirota (4.00 / 2)
is a pompous asshole and a user. Like he's using the DK
community to shill his book and mediocre column, for
example.
by: MBNYC @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 15:37:16 PM CST

[ Parent ]
Gotta question re: Ms. browneyes. (4.00 / 2)

I could write to her and mention the issues raised by dave and others and
offer her an easy way to resolve them. Her real name has a bunch of
public spaces, a myspace and the like. If she is really who she says she is
it wouldn't take much effort for her to post a message like, "dave is a
malodorous pervert" on her myspace--and that would settle it. Should I do
so?
I say go for it (4.00 / 2)

A lot of red flags have been raised and if she wants to be taken
seriously, she should put up or eff off.

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Miss Blue (4.00 / 4)

Could use some help in this thread.

by: MBNYC @ Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 10:18:30 AM CST
Perhaps lizhoyt has earned our concentrated efforts (4.00 / 4)

to encourage her to quit accusing the President-Elect of capitulation or
worse before he even takes office?

[ Parent ]
And her little enabler Wattles, too. (4.00 / 4)

Wattles has the stench of FSZ and maple syrup. I tried to get a
rise from him in that thread.

[ Parent ]
Yes. (4.00 / 4)
I got this yesterday:
H/she is Mimzi over there. No doubt

whatsoever in my mind. First, there
is the 911 CT thing (both are), the
hatred of BB (both do -- it was Mimzi
who suggested BB for THE LIST, that
diary since deleted by Dave) and
hatred of pootie photos (both do) and
the exact same frenetic, semi-
hysterical voice. Also both have
claimed some sort of connection to
Australia.
by: MBNYC @ Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 13:50:22 PM CST

[ Parent ]
thanks for holding down (4.00 / 4)

the fort whilst I was gone. had a fucking great time: the food, the room, the
gamboling, the Dan, the co. all grrreat.

four recs! (4.00 / 4)

this was my mossed popular post on the UGoG, evar.
saw Margot Leverett & The Klezmer Mtn. Boys this afternoon, chatted with
Kenny Kosek. really top-notch shit.

[ Parent ]
You were gone? (4.00 / 4)

Who knew ;-)

[ Parent ]
askeptic (4.00 / 4)
The question is why did the senate leadership caved in?

Were many of these senate democrats bought in by AIPAC?
Are they spineless because they were spawn out of the A** of
AIPAC?
Heyas folks. (4.00 / 4)

I finally found my email with the link to this place and the password.
I hope all is well with people.
by: tecampbell @ Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:40:04 PM CST
wilkommen! (4.00 / 4)
come, set a spell.


[ Parent ]
Heyaz, stranger. (4.00 / 4)

Welcome back. Real nice job of kicking ass in your home state.

[ Parent ]
For your entertainment: (4.00 / 4)

It looks like dave is going to leave and start his own website:
We're in trouble now. /snark

[ Parent ]
One of these days... (4.00 / 3)
Dude. You're arguing with someone

who is clearly (4.00 / 4)
delusional. Obsessed. Perhaps even
mentally unhinged. And a liar who
contradicts himself more often than he
changes his underwear.
I think at some point it's just pointless
to respond to him. I prefer just
tossing him zeros. After all, he's at
FSZ so it's not like we're suppressing
the freak's right to obsess. Just
expressing how I feel--that Big Dave
is the shit that I wipe off of my shoes
every day. Sad to say that. Kind of
mean even. But, when you behave
like a scumbag, you reap the hatred
you sow.

Pager and I are agonna kiss and make up. You watch.

[ Parent ]
lol. (4.00 / 3)
I'll believe it when I see it.
Just thought you might get a kick out of the

righteous indignation over there: http://www.
freespeechzoneblog....
by: tecampbell @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at

00:03:04 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Could "indignation"be Braveheart?

(4.00 / 3)
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at

00:09:16 AM CST
[ Parent ]
I doubt braveheart is
capable of channeling
(4.00 / 3)
Samuel Jackson.
by: tecampbell @ Mon Nov

24, 2008 at 00:13:03 AM CST
[ Parent ]
He's a strange
dude nonetheless.
(4.00 / 3)
Not only using socks
but methinks he was
the one who posted
that dave outing

diary at the sewer,
I'm still convinced he
is SlackwareGrrl and
I'm not totally
convinced he isn't
browneyes.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov

24, 2008 at
00:20:32 AM CST
[ Parent ]
I don't
think
braveheart
is
browneyes.
(4.00 / 3)
First off,
browneyes
user ID is
156679.
That would
make her
March'ish?
She's been
nice to me,
but it is
clear she's
one to keep
an eye on.
Reformed
Pub? Isn't
that the
same line
that
braveheart
and alec82
take?
It is
possible
that
disparate
people
developed
parallel
strategies
in order to
deal with
dkos. It is
also
possible
that people
change.
Braveheart
never
changed at
heart. He
was always
a Reagan-
type
Republican.
Just my
thoughts.
We sink or
swim
together.
by:
tecampbell
@ Mon Nov
24, 2008 at
00:33:26
AM CST
[ Parent ]
... and thanks. (4.00 / 4)

I shook hands with both the Governor and Senator Cantwell in
one night.
I was especially happy with our winning the Public Lands

Commissioner slot. The previous resident allowed clearcuts which
led to serious mudslides costing dozens of homes.
That one was very close.


[ Parent ]
re: Sirota... (4.00 / 4)

remember condo...?
He is only at the kos to pimp (4.00 / 4)

his outside work. While there's nothing wrong with that it's worth keeping
in mind. YMMV.

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Tags: dailt thread, (All

Tags)
whoa; how'd you (4.00 / 4)

get it to post looking so narrow...?
found dave posting on the best of craigslist
That's just the way the video was. (4.00 / 3)

I didn't do a thing.

[ Parent ]
anyone notice how (4.00 / 4)

anybody who shows up at fsz to face dave is assumed to be me?
Now at least you didn't out personal info. The leaflets

remain in storage.

Did you see (4.00 / 4)

the thread where he tells TheBlaz about his manhood and prowess
with the ladies? High comedy.
by: MBNYC @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 09:01:19 AM CST

[ Parent ]
What, this isn't the photo of a (4.00 / 4)

stud:
No wonder the ladies can't leave him alone.

[ Parent ]
Not nearly as horrible (4.00 / 4)

as that grotesque one condo had the other day.
I mean, very very bad, but the other one just
makes you want to run away screaming in pain.
by: MBNYC @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 10:42:58

AM CST
[ Parent ]
the one you reference, (4.00 / 3)

which was enhanced a bit, is from his
goddam work site.
by: condo @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at

10:51:48 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Yes, and doesn't it (4.00 /

3)
just ooze sex appeal?
:-)
by: MBNYC @ Mon Nov 24,

2008 at 11:02:17 AM CST
[ Parent ]
it oozes, allright.
(4.00 / 3)
by: condo @ Mon Nov

24, 2008 at 11:10:58
AM CST
[ Parent ]
great new site! (4.00 / 4)
The rules are simple. They are whatever I say they are.
You have no free speech rights here. You have a
privilege, I am the privilege holder. I don't need a reason
to ban you nor hide your comment other than I feel like
it or I just don't like you. However, I don't have a
Napoleonic complex nor a Stalinist Kostapo mentality.
Follow some basic rules and you should be fine.
The basic rules are simple. You advocate violence,

promote bigotry, or out a person's real life personal

information you are gone. If you are here to troll, you
are gone. You engage in any unnecessary personal
attacks on people using this site you are probably gone. I
have a high tolerance for opposing views but if you go
completely bonkers, your comments and you shall
disappear. Try to be substantive on issues without
personal attacks.
Cool. Now let's see if anyone else joins. (4.00 / 4)

Anyone.

[ Parent ]
Yup, that's him. (4.00 / 4)
Greetings and welcome to what will become one

of the leading progressive/liberal/moderate
websites in political thought.

[ Parent ]
...And it's "Warren", dumbass. (4.00 / 4)
I will provide a PayPal link at the top to donate

to me personally and trust me every dollar is
appreciated. I never ask for a specific amount.
If you are William Buffett and want to donate a
million to me, feel free.

[ Parent ]
maybe he meant (4.00 / 4)

the paintner

[ Parent ]
Aha! Haha! Hahahahaha! (4.00 / 4)

Do mommy and daddy know how he's using his billable hours?
by: MBNYC @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 10:28:18 AM CST

[ Parent ]
If you find a few... (4.00 / 4)

stop by and show some love to one of our own:
Not buying any. (4.00 / 3)
I am married to a wonderful woman who is 33 and is just

now figuring out that she may in fact be a transgendered
gay male.

another dave sock (4.00 / 3)

bant
see alec82's comment a bit downthread...
Yup. (4.00 / 3)
Appears to have already been nuked.

[ Parent ]
why I wrote (4.00 / 3)

"bant," above.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I figgered that out approx a minute

after (4.00 / 3)
posting my comment. No flies on me, huh.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 11:39:47 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
MOLLIFIED (4.00 / 2)
Worst poet who ever lived or malignant troll? I reports, you decides.
o, ho! (4.00 / 2)
what of this?

[ Parent ]
weird (4.00 / 2)
I could SWEAR that it was MOLLIFIED who HRed my
"poem," then when I looked again, it was "dochp."
am I losing it?
did I ever even have it...?

[ Parent ]
Would a UID in the 183K range even have TU status

yet? (4.00 / 2)
I'm guessing that's a no.


[ Parent ]
not sure, but maybe. (4.00 / 2)

I'm at 171659, been TU since 10/31 or so.

CST
[ Parent ]
HansBennett (4.00 / 1)
Can I get another d0nut for this asshole?
bam! bam! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Thanks. (4.00 / 2)
I'm starting to dislike Hans a little bit.

[ Parent ]
really? (4.00 / 2)
not so easy to see that, perusing the
comments...
by: condo @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 11:52:21 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
War on Error (4.00 / 3)

has been spamming some home loan scheme all morning. What really
smells suspicious is that Wattles Breakfast has been uprating him.
wattle might be just (4.00 / 3)

doing that to get at us; depends on the timing.

[ Parent ]
Oh absolutely. (4.00 / 3)
The question is why. Even though we've crossed swords
a couple of times why would he be engaged in such a
vendetta? Sure smells like someone with an old axe to
grind.

[ Parent ]
I feel that what'll is a (4.00 / 3)

sewer-resident zombi fuckwad; ymmv.

CST
[ Parent ]

jack- (4.00 / 4)
-off
Is that the infamous smirking jack? (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
...And that would be a "yes." (4.00 / 4)


[ Parent ]
dfq is seriously pissig off the natives (4.00 / 4)

he claims to have "outed" browneyes.
He may actually be right. (4.00 / 3)

Haven't seen browneyes around lately. If I do, I'm a gonna set
her up to either prove or disprove it.

[ Parent ]
He's such an asshole (4.00 / 4)

it cracks me up that the natives over there are sick to
death of him. I can't wait to see his new blog. He's
going to have less members than the PUMAs.
Yeah, he might be right about browneyes, but I don't

believe anything that greasy scumbag says.
by: trashablanca @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 18:07:10 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Pager sums him up well: (4.00 / 4)
Dude. You're arguing with

someone who is clearly
delusional. Obsessed. Perhaps
even mentally unhinged. And
a liar who contradicts himself
more often than he changes
his underwear.
by: ugog @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 18:21:55 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
StupidAsshole (4.00 / 3)
Try this... (0.00 / 0)

bexleybill@hotmail.com
by: StupidAsshole @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 05:02:01 AM
CST

[ Parent | ]
Just a possibly useful bit o' info. Any idea where he lives?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/di...
San Francisco. (4.00 / 3)

Oh, wow, that's a real gift. Good catch.
by: MBNYC @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 19:15:13 PM CST

[ Parent ]
Not so deep thoughts (4.00 / 2)

Posted a troll diary attacking Charlie Rangel:
First diary and no prior comments. I've been messing with him a bit just
for the hell of it.
this is so totally fucking (4.00 / 1)

dave, it's not funny
I'm a troll because I talk about a story that

makes a democrat look bad?

[ Parent ]
I said Good Day sir (4.00 / 2)

Gotta be somebody's sock:



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Dunno whether I'm telling y'all something old but (4.00 / 3)

hulu is a great resource for wasting time. My favorite:
http://www.hulu.com/search/The...
Try these as well (4.00 / 3)

http://www.veoh.com/
http://www.watch-movies.net/
http://www.southparkzone.com/
Though South Park has had a really bad season this year; running
out of gas, I guess.
by: MBNYC @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 05:46:41 AM CST

[ Parent ]
OMFG! (4.00 / 3)
omfg. now I can watch the original star trek with my son.

hosanna!

[ Parent ]
Wanna know why dave isn't teaching school anymore? (4.00 / 3)

Weintraub v. Board of Education.
Linky:
http://www.law.yale.edu/docume...
Plaintiff-Appellant (herein "plaintiff") was a

probationary teacher of fifth grade students at P.S. 274
in
Brooklyn's Community School Board 32 (A32-33). He
commenced work
there as a teacher in the New York School System on
September 1,
1998, having been hired the previous June (A32-33).
There were no apparent problems in his class until
November 6, 1998, when plaintiff sent a student, Elias
Perez, to
see Douglas Goodman, an Assistant Principal at P.S. 274,
because
plaintiff alleged the fifth grader threw a book at him (A94-
95).
There are no written allegations in the Joint Appendix
regarding
this incident or an alleged book throwing by the same
student that
occurred a few days later. Although Special Circular B,
2. (A224)
requires a teacher to report any seriously disruptive
student
behavior to a supervisor in writing, there is nothing in
the Joint
Appendix evidencing any written notice by plaintiff of
Elias
Perez's behavior. Plaintiff presumed Goodman spoke to
the child,
but the child was not suspended as plaintiff believed he
should
have been (A98-99). Up to that time, Goodman had
been responsive
in normal daily interaction with plaintiff (A97). On
November 9,
1998, the next class day, Perez again allegedly threw a
book at
plaintiff and plaintiff again took him to see Assistant
Principal
Goodman (A97-98). According to plaintiff, no punitive
action was
taken (A98). At that point, plaintiff told Goodman, "If
nothing
is going to be done, I would have to file a grievance with
the
union to have something done about this because he
should be
suspended for this" (A98). Plaintiff believed that the
student
should have been suspended after the first instance
because,
according to plaintiff, there was an assault on a teacher
and
"Citywide Board of Education policy" requires that he be
suspended
(A99).
Plaintiff requested his union representative to file a

grievance on his behalf and expressed his intention to file

a
grievance to other teachers at the school (A103). The
grievance
was filed and was denied (A103).
Plaintiff alleges that, as a result of his filing of
grievances and expressing the intention to file
grievances, he was
treated differently after the early November incidents
than before
and was retaliated against by Assistant Principal
Goodman, by
Daisy O'Gorman, the principal of P.S. 274, and by Felix
Vasquez,
the Superintendent of District 32, in a variety of ways
not
relevant to the issue before this Court, that is, whether
his
constitutional right to free expression was violated
(A109).
Plaintiff was ultimately terminated on October 1, 1999
(A88).
Plaintiff subsequently commenced an Article 78
proceeding in New York State Supreme Court, Kings
County, alleging
that his termination was in bad faith and in retaliation for
his
pursuing a claim for false imprisonment (A88). The
Supreme Court
4
found that there was no evidence of retaliation or bad
faith
(A88). See Weintraub v. Board of Education, slip op. at
4-5 (N.Y.
Sup. Ct., Kings Co. June 7, 2001), aff'd, 298 A.D.2d 595
(2d
Dept.), lv. to app. den., 99 N.Y.2d 507 (2003).
And talk about blind luck... (4.00 / 3)

According to this schedule:
http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/do...
his appeal is gonna be argued at 10 AM this very morning.

[ Parent ]
Patterns. (4.00 / 3)
I'm a firm believer in them. If we assume his behavior at that
school was along the same lines as that on the blogs, of course he
got fired. And to whom did it ever occur that this guy should be
teaching kids?
by: MBNYC @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 05:44:18 AM CST

[ Parent ]
First, he wasn't a full teacher he was probationary.

(4.00 / 3)
He was fired before his probationary period had ended.
Second, isn't this the guy who brags about how well he
got along with his students? He didn't mention that one
of them threw a book at him--twice. Doesn't he brag
about being able to work well with others? He doesn't
mention that when he reported that student to his
supervisor, demanded that the student be suspended and

was turned down flat--he filed a grievance against his

supervisor. How the fuck could he think this stuff
wouldn't catch up with him?

[ Parent ]
He brags about a lot of stuff (4.00 / 3)

including how hot he is, so I wouldn't take that
at face value. But look at it this way: the guy is
in his forties and still working for mommy and
daddy. He doesn't seem to be married. He's
painfully dependent on approval from strangers
on the internet. In short, he's a loser.
Come to think of it, he's starting to remind me

of Archangel M, the guy who can't hold down a
job in fast food and got kicked out of, get this,
Army basic training.
If those two weren't such condescending

assholes, I'd be inclined to feel sorry for them.
But they are what they are.
by: MBNYC @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 06:20:31 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Couple of things... (4.00 / 3)

He's 37 (DOB 9/26/71) not in his
forties. That's a lotta failure for such a
short life. And secondly:
I wouldn't take that

at face value.
I've seen his face and wouldn't take it

at any value. Carry on.

06:25:34 AM CST
[ Parent ]
thank you (4.00 / 3)

that was a treat to wake up to.

[ Parent ]
more Sirota (4.00 / 3)

fucking asshole that he is.
Glad to see I was all over that one. (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
WayPastJaded (4.00 / 3)
stupid troll, seeks d0nuts.

so, my wife heard (4.00 / 3)

this great bit on NPR, about this Sam guy who analyzes Strads,
Guarneriuses, etc., and makes repro fiddles that sell for $50K+. It was a
great presentation, there's a cool vid there of Sam talking about how
fiddles are designed, etc.
so I showed it to my friend John, the violist, and he said he knows him,

that he's a reg'lar guy, and plays in a band with our friend Michael...and
here's a link to their site, with clickable tune-bits.
small world.
Wattles presented a target (4.00 / 4)

parent comment by ChemicalsInTheSky: http://www.dailykos.com/

commen...
He even uprates CT, shameless troll that he is.
admins notified (4.00 / 4)

[ Parent ]
and a lovely (4.00 / 4)

response.

[ Parent ]
These CT diaries are like fucking flypaper.

(4.00 / 4)

CST
[ Parent ]
user now bant. (4.00 / 3)

CST
[ Parent ]
Lucinda (4.00 / 3)
the asshole
talk about your irony (4.00 / 3)

I'm heading over to Famous Dave's for some ribs and Wilbur Beans.
They actually have a menu item called "halvin' my baby."

what a lovely way to say you're not too hungry, eh...?
Wattlebreakfast (4.00 / 4)
CT resource right here. He's a truther. Bouwerie Boy thinks he's a zombie.
by: MBNYC @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 12:22:31 PM CST
so does (4.00 / 4)
condo, apparently.

[ Parent ]
So does I. (4.00 / 2)
I'm too damn lazy to look it up but I've asked Wattle
several times who he used to be before. I assumed his
intention in today's CT diary was to get me to drop
d0nuts on him.

[ Parent ]
Oooh, nasty! (4.00 / 2)
Nasty, it's obscene (4.00 / 3)

and ought to be hydrateable for offending innocent eyes ;=}

[ Parent ]
You can't (4.00 / 3)

SUPPRESSINGZZ!! TEH TRUTHZZ!!, Kos Kop!
Heh :-)


[ Parent ]
it's really gross (4.00 / 3)

and I thought about deleting it.
I just post linkies.

CST
[ Parent ]
why are so many lawyers (4.00 / 2)

such fucking assholes?
riddle me that.
Saul Bloodworth: (4.00 / 2)
Ann Coulter broke her jaw, now her jaw is wired

(surgically), so she needs to shut up, at least for a while
or two. Well, you can't make that stuff up. Now people
are asking, how did that happen? My first theory was
that she tried to adapt to the new times by giving a blow
job to a black guy. But then I realized that this theory
would not be PC, let alone family-friendly, as this blog
aspires to be, so I dropped it.
TimInWisconsin (4.00 / 2)
smells davey
Very davey. (4.00 / 2)

UID 198K telling someone to "delete this shit?"

[ Parent ]
Not only that but this: (4.00 / 3)

I smelled dave this morning--and left a valentine.

[ Parent ]
plus, he comes into (4.00 / 3)

a stupid troll diary where I'm saying it: as subtle as a
fart in church.

[ Parent ]
ooh, the Major's gonna (4.00 / 3)

smack me down for this, maybe.


[ Parent ]
get it...? appeal-ing??? (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
Yup, left another valentine. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 18:24:59 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
oh dear, I (4.00 / 2)
left another one, too
by: condo @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at

18:27:49 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Yup, this is much better

than calling him out at the
sewer. (4.00 / 2)
Nothing that anyone can do
about this. No fingerprints.
And dave had to change into
his "December" underwear a
few days early.
by: ugog @ Tue Nov 25, 2008

at 18:30:49 PM CST
[ Parent ]
LOL (4.00 / 2)
by: condo @ Tue Nov

25, 2008 at 18:34:47
PM CST
[ Parent ]
MB, may I enquire (4.00 / 4)

whither "tranny granny?"
Very funny story. (4.00 / 4)

Bughouse had variously claimed to be a man and a woman; called
on it by self, he proclaimed he was a transvestite grandmother
trailing clouds of Chanel #5.
Linky
My guess would be that that's all not true, but hey.

[ Parent ]
well, fwiw, (4.00 / 2)

both references were transphobic slurs, and would be
better eschewed altogether, imo.


[ Parent ]
I don't agree. (4.00 / 3)

My point is not that transfolk are bad people. My
point is that Bughouse is transparently a liar.
He's not a transperson - I'd bet any amount of
money on that.
by: MBNYC @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 20:06:46 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Hahaha! (4.00 / 3)
Check the overwhelming reaction to Dave's announcement of his awesome
new (and at this writing, comment-free) site.
Linky
Hmmm, no comments from browneyes (4.00 / 3)

for three days. Curious, that.
do you know when (4.00 / 3)

the first reference to her being BDC was posted?
she ended on 11/22/2008 20:17:02 EST

[ Parent ]
Not off the top of me noggin, I don't (4.00 / 3)

It's been about a week to ten days, iirc.
by: trashablanca @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 20:55:33 PM

CST
[ Parent ]
Highly suspicious. (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
davefromqueens ... (4.00 / 2)

asks a rhetorical question:



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New to me, so I'm gonna inflict y'all . . . (4.00 / 4)

Me likey.
The reviews of "Modern Times" have fallen into two categories. (4.00 / 4)
Folks either think it's a masterwork or a pile of shit. I'm in group number one.
No wonder why this video was chosen.

[ Parent ]
fdsa (4.00 / 4)


[ Parent ]
¡??x?ls?p ? ??,no? ¡?? ?? (4.00 / 4)

¡??x?ls?p ? ??,no? ¡?? ??
Ha ha! You're a dyslexic!

[ Parent ]
funny, it worked in preview (4.00 / 4)

oops!
by: trashablanca @ Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 02:38:40 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
"funny, it worked in preview"... (4.00 / 3)

so sayeth dave's parents.
by: ugog @ Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 03:00:34 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Good morning all. (4.00 / 4)

I'll be heading out of here at noon to schlep up to Connecticut for Turkey Day; return Friday.
So hold the fort.
by: MBNYC @ Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 06:45:25 AM CST
Oh, and (4.00 / 3)

Happy Thanksgiving to all!
:-)
by: MBNYC @ Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 06:56:10 AM CST

[ Parent ]
Independent113 (4.00 / 3)
Posted another troll diary. This dude doesn't belong:
admins notified (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
bant. (4.00 / 3)

[ Parent ]
any help here (4.00 / 2)

would be appreciated
I TRed the second comment for the reason stated but didn't see (4.00 / 2)
why the first one was TRed. Unless this is a de facto troll?

[ Parent ]
Ah, got it. (4.00 / 2)

I TRed for ratings abuse.

[ Parent ]
thanks, I HRed the first one (4.00 / 2)

for the ad-hom, actually: he characterized me as "looking for an

excuse" to lay "unjustified" d0nuts on him.
a lie.

[ Parent ]
here's some fun... (4.00 / 2)

linky.
I hadn't had any interactions with this one, but recognized his nic from the Alley.
I can't escape from this hideous beast (4.00 / 2)

I was doing my civic duty reporting a cowardly troll and when I hit submit, I was damaged by
that very troll's visage:
http://dailygotham.com/node/57...
so, browneyes: (4.00 / 2)

nada.
Very odd. (4.00 / 2)

Even odder if it is Braveheart. Why would he choose the real ID of a former Playboy
model and why would he have continued posting after dave was nuked? I suppose
it's possible that Braveheart has always been dave's alter ego. I'm sure if dave
prays he plays both parts too.

[ Parent ]
weltschmertz (4.00 / 2)
weird
Tandem trolls (4.00 / 2)

or just like attracting like?


[ Parent ]
Gotta confess some ignorance here: (4.00 / 2)

I thought your UN was a play on Casablanca. Bad on me.

[ Parent ]
It is. It also has the wink at the root words I combined.

(4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
I missed that, too (4.00 / 2)

is cool, though.

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An internets star is born. (4.00 / 3)
Trashablanca - Digital Brownshirt
At this site we will be monitoring the illiberal turnoff trolls

at DailyKos who make a mockery of progressive values.
These are individuals who have done terrible things to
thousands of Democrats and now it's our job to
collectively ensure that they are stopped in their tracks.
The Kostapo hurts democrats, undermine our party, and
needs to be disassociated from our candidates. They
(the small subset of Digitial Brownshits not the majority
of users) act in ways that beg the question, Who is the
biggest turnoff troll, Medea (Or Media since she loves
cameras so much) Benjamin or the Kos Kops.
Today we focus on Trashablanca. But instead of
editorializing, I will simply retype his own words from a
variety of different comments this week.
Fuck you, Cogency eludes you, bite me trolldilocks, you
treasonous swine, CT on this site is not allowed, hey you
got hydrated by a wuss, they're coming to take you
away ha ha, bite me, real nazis fear my ilk and me, why
uprate morans, idiocy is so transparent, stupid,
delusional, fuckwit, jerkoff, another capslock troll this
asshole is so stupid, you brain starved asshat your
mother must be so ashamed, that's what your momma
sez every time you open your stupid mouth, how's your
blowup girlfriend hope you bleach it often, look in the

mirror again never knew butt-ugly was so funny, a shitty

little weasel of a troll, wattlebreakfast is a lame and
pathetic troll, teenie weenie territory, Vinnie a coward
and a troll, what a schlamiel, he's a meltdown in search
of a silo. Why don't you fuck off and shove your arrogant
ass where the son don't shine? Fuck off. You deserve
nothing but derision and mockery. Your point is on your
head over your alleged brain, I can't wait until it's
banned asshole. Asinine. A craptacular comment at that.
Her case shoudl be buried with a stake in its heart. You
repeat the same stupid absurdities like you were a
talking mannequin. A moronic ghost, actually a troll
ghost. This is Daily Kos and there is no free speech
applicable here.
Actually this was a mild week for trash. But Markos

Moulistas thinks this kind of dialogue speaks for him.
This is one of his Kos Kops, just one week.
http://davefromqueens.com/2008...
w00t! He hate me! (4.00 / 3)

He really hate me! The joy I feel at dave's scrutiny is second only to the
psychosis that drives that ninny on.
btw, I saved liz' diary before she deleted it. (4.00 / 2)

I'll email it on request.
don't miss this (4.00 / 2)

great diary; tells it like it is.
lizhoyt (4.00 / 2)
Could this be a sock of abbeysbooks? Something feels familiar.
I like your theory. She is dfq's newest bff (4.00 / 2)

and she recently said she was gonna do her part in the war on
error. Her tone deafness and willful avoidance of facts counter to
her POV bear a striking resemblance to abby normal, er,
abbeysbooks.

[ Parent ]
weird uprate (4.00 / 2)

from mattman, there. wtf up with that?

[ Parent ]
George Gould too, all over the place. (4.00 / 2)

Abbey Normal or lizhoyt has admirers.


CST
[ Parent ]
Serge Grishenkov (4.00 / 2)

check his website for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, etc.



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lizhoyt bant (4.00 / 2)

george gould hanging in.
MF, why would (4.00 / 2)

GG have cause to know you...???

[ Parent ]
is this (4.00 / 2)
our Georgie?

[ Parent ]
Nice work. (4.00 / 2)
by: ugog @ Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:11:58 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
Definitely a pffter. (4.00 / 2)


[ Parent ]
ok, so you're saying (4.00 / 2)

there's no history there?
If not, I've got a question for George.
by: condo @ Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:33:41 AM

CST
[ Parent ]
TU troll Tuscany is another notorious uprater (4.00 / 2)

he's mixing it up with Stranded Wind, and although I don't normally get in
a TU dustup, Tuscany really deserves hydration for uprating George Gould,
another bird of a feather in uprating trolls. I hit one comment, another is
here: http://www.dailykos.com/commen...
dfq still entertaining the deluded fantasy (4.00 / 2)

or running for office. He's going to get votes by bashing Daily Kos, lol.
and Pager thinks (4.00 / 2)

dave left kos of his own accord.

[ Parent ]
He wasn't banned at the time, (4.00 / 2)

he just lost his rating ability and had a hissy fit. He
damn well ought to be banned, now.

[ Parent ]
He may not have been banned. (4.00 / 1)

Stranger things have happened. Just because he wrote a
GBCW diary which trashed the site as well as yours truly
I don't assume he was nuked.

[ Parent ]
great thread (4.00 / 2)

holiday fun at the sewer of the damned
what if dave gave a diary (4.00 / 2)

and nobody came...?
Love it. (4.00 / 1)

Gonna put that in today's daily thread.

[ Parent ]
I think that (4.00 / 2)

chowbellachow was another dave sock, before he left the site.
look at the style on this one
and this one
and here
here
just a hunch.
That does sound like him. (4.00 / 1)

Looks like he got nuked. Prolly before dave learned what an IP is
and how it can be traced.

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From dave's diary: (4.00 / 3)
Troll rated to trigger autoban.

Troll rated for trolling.
Troll rated for ratings abuse
Troll rated for lying
Troll rated for assholery
Troll rated on site.
Troll rated for being an asshole
Troll rated for the completely unjustified donut.
Troll rated for posting outing material about another.
Troll rated for dishonesty.
Troll rated for cluelessness.
Troll rated for hijacking.
Troll rated for troll diary.
Troll rated for personal attack
Troll rated for calling someone a troll
Troll rated for posting garbage.
Troll rated for vulgarity
Troll rated for conspiracy theory
Troll rated for douchbaggery.
Troll rated to counter rec.
Troll rated to counter uprate.
Troll rated as a motivational tool.
Troll rated to counter for the abusive uprate.
Troll rated for antiseptic purposes.
Troll rated for accusation of racism without a shred of proof.
Troll rated for this piece of shit diary.
Troll rated for a whole bunch of things.
Troll rated for that callout.
Troll rated for that group attack

Troll rated for Over The Top aggression and nastiness.

Troll rated for abusing the word "we."
Troll rated for forcing me once again to explain that editing
comments on a private website is not censorship.
Troll rated for being a defacto TR on sight troll of the simple
asshole variety
There's a scene in Woody Allen's "Love and Death" where he and Diane Keaton
are trying to kill Napoleon. Woody pulls a gun on him and Napoleon asks
"Why". Woody tells him that it's because he's a tyrant and a dictator who has
conquered half of Europe. Napoleon turns to Keaton and asks, "Why is he
reciting my credits?" That's kinda how I feel here.
Heh. (4.00 / 3)
Troll rated for douchbaggery.
That would be "douchebaggery".

[ Parent ]
I'm guessing that I've posted more than 10K comments

at the kos. (4.00 / 3)
It appears that dave has read each and everyone of them.

[ Parent ]
Join the club. (4.00 / 3)

Stupidasshole reads every single one of mine :-)

[ Parent ]
Wheever (4.00 / 2)
this look like a n00b to you...?
me neither.
dave? (4.00 / 2)
Not enough to go on but nothing that says "no" yet.

[ Parent ]
interesting old thread (4.00 / 2)

who is heart of a quince?
Good question. (4.00 / 2)

I assume he (?) wouldn't talk about it unless the switch was done with
admin approval. That would rule out anyone who was nuked. In that
thread he does invite folks to write to him and ask so perhaps that's
the way to go?

[ Parent ]

davidsirota (4.00 / 2)
More nonsense:
Couldn't resist taking a shot at him.
And the dumbass launched a GFY at someone else. (4.00 / 1)

Anyone wanna double down on my d0nut?

[ Parent ]
wow. (4.00 / 2)
hope he does what the poll says.

[ Parent ]
ps: (4.00 / 2)
I missed the diary, which he now deleted. what was in it, pray?

[ Parent ]
Here: (4.00 / 2)
http://www.openleft.com/showDi...
Not that you missed anything. The dude needs to publicly

announce every bowel movement.

[ Parent ]
Funny uprates by George Gould there. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
I think that's dave: (4.00 / 2)

The use of "voila" is not accidental.

[ Parent ]
doesn't have to be dave for that (4.00 /

2)
any of the FSZers with a pathological
interest could have done it and the uid is in
the 128 Ks.
by: trashablanca @ Sat Nov 29, 2008 at

12:54:27 PM CST
[ Parent ]

Yup, I spoke too soon. (4.00 /

2)
I'm starting to see dave
everywhere.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 29, 2008 at

12:59:00 PM CST
[ Parent ]
whomever GG is,
(4.00 / 2)
it seems he has had no
prior contact with any of
us, and now suddenly is
deeply hooked up to all
the meta.
by: condo @ Sat Nov 29,

2008 at 13:02:59 PM CST
[ Parent ]
I didn't think (4.00 / 2)

this one was funny.

[ Parent ]
George Gould: (4.00 / 2)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/ori...
The email addy and bio match too.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 13:05:44

PM CST
[ Parent ]
George Clavel Gould (4.00 / 2)

his Flickr page
seems legit, actually...comments

go back a ways.

13:18:39 PM CST
[ Parent ]
his (4.00 / 2)
bidniss
by: condo @ Sat Nov 29,

2008 at 13:20:47 PM CST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I'm arriving at

the belief that he is
who he says he is.
(4.00 / 2)
1949
Jul 4,
1949 -
She
was
married
to Hugh
Veley
Gould

on 4 Jul
1949.
Children
were:
George
Clavell
Gould,
Sandra
Jean
Gould,
Kathleen
Marie
Gould,
Heather
Ann
Gould.
bullet
Brannen
She
was
married
to
Thomas
O'Leary.
There's more on him than

most folks. He's still an
asshole however.
by: ugog @ Sat Nov 29,

2008 at 13:26:17 PM CST
[ Parent ]
now comes (4.00 / 2)

cheesy poofs uprating me.

[ Parent ]
now comes (4.00 / 2)

ge0rge, uprating.

[ Parent ]
Tuscany (4.00 / 2)
uprating trolls, HRing inappropriately.
I helped hide two comments, left a d0nut on two others.
I recycled the ones I used on GG, after they were uprated by tuscany. poetic.
This is really a must see diary. (4.00 / 1)

Our resident craftsman claude has completed his magnum opus and is so
gorgeous that it needs sharing.
If you likee, please recee.
very cool, thx! (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]

ge0rge is baaaack and uprating GG (4.00 / 2)

Gorgeous ge0rges gotta stick together, dontcha know.
dfq weighs in at fsz (4.00 / 2)

who knew I was so powerful that dave got a front page post out of it? Couldn't
be that Jack didn't like my comment about him banning a troll who threatened
him? That was prudent of him, but oh the guilt.
dave is increasingly talking only to himself. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Lauren S (4.00 / 2)
seems unstable to me.
or something.
Is this a general impression or something tangible? (4.00 / 2)

She got a little heated going after Tuscany, but I don't blame her for
that at all. So link away or elaborate if you feel like it.

[ Parent ]
just that she (4.00 / 2)

goes off with expletives overmuch sometimes, gets really
heated, but in a weird way, hard to explain. almost as though
it were for show, partly.

[ Parent ]
George Gould now officially a FSZer (4.00 / 2)

He was driven to it I tell ya.
ya, he mentioned somewhere (4.00 / 2)

that he signed up there yesterday

[ Parent ]
Apropos of nothing whatsoever (4.00 / 1)

Do you remember when we used to sing?
Hey where did we go,

Days when the rains came
Down in the hollow,
Playin' a new game,
Laughing and a running hey, hey
Skipping and a jumping
In the misty morning fog with
Our hearts a thumpin' and you
My browneyes girl,
You my browneyes girl.
Whatever happened
To Tuesday and so slow

Going down the old mine

With a transistor radio
Standing in the sunlight laughing,
Hiding behind a rainbow's wall,
Slipping and sliding
All along the water fall, with you
My browneyes girl,
Do you remember when we used to sing,

Sha la la la la la la la la la la te da
So hard to find my way,

Now that I'm all on my own.
I saw you just the other day,
My how you have grown,
Cast my memory back there, Lord
Sometime I'm overcome thinking 'bout
Making love in the green grass
Behind the stadium with you
My browneyes girl
You my browneyes girl
Do you remember when we used to sing

Sha la la la la la la la la la la te da.
Apropos of nothing whatsoever (0.00 / 0)

Do you remember when we used to sing?
Hey where did we go,

Days when the rains came
Down in the hollow,
Playin' a new game,
Laughing and a running hey, hey
Skipping and a jumping
In the misty morning fog with
Our hearts a thumpin' and you
My browneyes girl,
Whatever happened
To Tuesday and so slow
Going down the old mine
With a transistor radio
Standing in the sunlight laughing,
Hiding behind a rainbow's wall,
Slipping and sliding
All along the water fall, with you
My browneyes girl,
Do you remember when we used to sing,

Sha la la la la la la la la la la te da
So hard to find my way,

Now that I'm all on my own.
I saw you just the other day,
My how you have grown,
Cast my memory back there, Lord
Sometime I'm overcome thinking 'bout
Making love in the green grass
Behind the stadium with you
My browneyes girl
You my browneyes girl
Do you remember when we used to sing

Sha la la la la la la la la la la te da.




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I'll see your most excellent Simply Read (4.00 / 3)

and raise you an Elton John / Cary Grant hybrid.
Elderberry Wine meets Arsenic and Old Lace.

Hi dave, go pleasure yourself. (3.00 / 4)

Too late? Have a hankie. Smooches, dork. and wash your hands.
So tell me.... (0.00 / 0)

...exactly how long have you been so obsessive about "community
moderation" that it warranted a mirror meta site?
Inquiring minds want to know. I realize that you knew it would come out
eventually. Dave made certain that we all got a look at your assorted
comments.
Fascinating, major, just fascinating.
Hi Trashy, Sofia, bottles, etc. It was really amusing to read through the
archives here.
by: Alec82 @ Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 06:06:24 AM CST
It started around the time that dave's jihad started. (2.50 /

2)
Folks who play dangerous games tend to get burned.
Of course we knew it would come out. Only an idiot wouldn't

understand that a public site could be found. And you know what
Alec--I'm not gonna delete a thing. I stand by what I wrote.
You've been hanging out at the sewer, a place which has posted
outing information with not only the knowledge but the desire that
it become public. Your buddies brag about using socks and
zombies to troll at the kos. You trash members and admins as
Stalinists and racists. Not everyone is as loony as dave but the
overall approach is to destroy not create. And now you're shocked
that other folks who don't share your values or your methods have
also been a bit organized? Spare me. Glad you enjoyed reading
our archives. I've certainly gotten a few laughs out of reading
peeder's shithole and the new sewer.
I take it you won't mind if I summarily nuke your account. We

don't pretend to be a free speech zone here.

[ Parent ]
In fairness, though (4.00 / 2)

and while there are some real nuts over there, Alec isn't
one of them. I generally think he's a good kid with a lot
of common sense. And frankly, if it weren't for people like
Alec and, for example, Pager, who post over there, the
new place would be just as toxic as peeder's.

[ Parent ]
That may be true. (4.00 / 2)

But the normal people provide camouflage. Why
can't they just discuss things with less
restrictions than the kos. Their obsession with
the site and willingness to do just about

anything to anyone is unappealing. Just the

other day smirking jack had to nuke someone
who threatened his life--and he got grief for it.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:42:50 AM

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[ Parent ]
Well, sure. (4.00 / 2)

I wouldn't post there, that's for sure.
That said, I'm interested in the idea of
an unmoderated community site. I
don't think it's possible in the long run -
look at peeder's - but conceptually, it's
interesting. I do think that FSZ was
essentially stillborn, in that they started
out with all the DKos meta freaks,
which limits its appeal; most people
just don't care about all that bullshit
about how horrible Daily Kos is, I'd
guess.
But the underlying idea? That's

fascinating.
by: MBNYC @ Sun Nov 30, 2008 at

07:59:02 AM CST
[ Parent ]
It does stand out that both

peeder and smirking jack
(4.00 / 2)
nuked people who physically
threatened them and both of
them were roasted for it.
Complete free speech is nice
in theory but in practice we all
have our limits. I guess YMMV
depending on your
membership. We don't have
any rules here yet there's
never been an issue. When
you start a site with people
who have been thrown out of
another joint and harbor
resentments it's tough to
exercise any controls.
Perhaps the sewer version 3
will be run by someone who
doesn't mind being
threatened. Until then it's a
balancing act and I don't envy
jack at all.
by: ugog @ Sun Nov 30, 2008

at 08:15:20 AM CST
[ Parent ]
Oh, come on, Alec. (4.00 / 2)

This is all in good fun, a bunch of people who know each other
choosing to build their own place to exchange things. And
considering some of the things that have been posted about our
participants over at FSZ - speaking as a sexually frustrated racist
here - can you blame us?

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The Usual Gang of Grownups:: September 1, 2008

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Good morning, peoples. Let's say hello. Username:

ugog :: September 1, 2008

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tip jar (4.00 / 2)

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by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:04:48 AM CDT

I don't think we need to post tipjars quite yet. (4.00 / 2)

by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:10:17 AM CDT

it was for funny (4.00 / 2)

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Still working on the comment thingy. Patience.

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Seems to be working now. (4.00 / 3)

by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 00:44:23 AM CDT

We sink or swim together.

by: tecampbell @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:42:39 AM CDT

by: condo @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:01:28 AM CDT

Very funny. (4.00 / 2)

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My favorite Waits: (4.00 / 1)

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I like the usability. Pics import easily.

We sink or swim together.

by: tecampbell @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 02:37:04 AM CDT

Ah yes, good call. (4.00 / 3)

by: ugog @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:17:34 AM CDT

hey, so, for pics... (4.00 / 3)

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i so seriously heart tom waits (4.00 / 2)

it's easy to send it to you if you wnat it.