Female: Hello Matt: Patsy, This is Matt.

Female: Oh, hi, Matt. How are you? Matt: Im fine. I want to talk to Allen. Is he around?

Female: Yes, just a moment. Hes outside. Let me go get him. Hold on. Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Hello. Hey, Allen. This is Matt. Yes. Hey, Matt. I wanted to see if you had a few minutes to visit with me. Yes. Well, Im dirty right now. Whats that? I said Im a little dirty right now but we can visit. Ill only take a few minutes and talk about John Langworthy. Alright.

Matt: Alright. Im really calling to hear your side of the story. Id like to know your opinion and your views and want to get it straight from you. Allen: Well, you know that Amys got off into something that Im very concerned about. I really dont want to get into my side of it but the bottom line is, all that has been put out there about who John is, I dont think its accurate or factual. Hes not a child predator or monster or criminal or any of those. And when he left Prestonwood in 1989, he was married, his wife was pregnant. His father was a minister in Mississippi. His father-in-law was a minister in Mississippi. He went back to his roots. He had all the people there that surrounded him. Johns a very charismatic young man, youth minister. Personality kind of goes with the territory but to put it out there like he is right now is troubling to me personally because thats not what John is, Matt. Matt: Well, did he molest some kids?

Allen: He didnt molest any kids. They were teenage boys. *They were 16, 17, 18, one even 20. I cant say he had even molested anybody but the environment was where there may have been inappropriate sexual activity among that group. But to say he molested anybody against their will is absolutely false. *These were their ages when these victims were discovered, not at the time of the abuse which happened in the years prior.
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Matt:

Well

Allen: I dont have any idea about what happened in Mississippi before he came to Dallas. All I know is what happened the three years or so that I knew him in Dallas. Matt: What was the I dont know if its changed, I really dont the age of consent? I dont know what age that is. Allen: Matt, I dont know about any of that. You know, if you want to get in to 22 years later, crucifying Jack Graham who had been in Prestonwood four weeks before this happened with John. Jack doesnt even know John Langworthy. Jack first Sunday was June the 6th, 1989. All this happened with John about the second week of July. Jack barely with a church that big knew who John Langworthy was. And so to pack this on Jack like its been portrayed is just inaccurate, its wrong. There was no cover-up of anything. The parents were talked to of a couple of the senior boys, one not even a junior, a freshman or something in college. The parents were talked to, Johns parents were called in, his wife, his father-in-law, ministers in Mississippi. When John left Prestonwood there was no cover-up. It was fully addressed with the youth at the time as to . that John was leaving because it was a shock to everybody but there was no cover-up. Matt: What? I didnt know

Allen: The attorneys for Prestonwood handled it. Randy Addison was the attorney. He handled the staff. Bill Taylor was the administrative minister. Mike Buster was not there at the time. He didnt come until a year or two later. Bill Taylor who went on when he left Prestonwood, he went with the Southern Baptist Convention in Nashville. And so there was no attempt to legally cover anything up. It was handled with discretion, and with full cooperation of everybody including the primary one man [name of a victim, a minor at the time] that John supposedly had inappropriate activities with. But to put him out there as preying on young children and all of that, from my side of it, thats not true. They can get into the technicality 22 years later what would have, should have, could have been done but its problematic right now to be doing that 22 years later, going on a crusade. And the fact of the matter is that unless something forthcoming, John may have lived an exemplary life for the last 22 years. If anybody knows anything different, Id like to know. Matt: old. Alright. A couple of victims in Mississippi are coming forward. They were 9 and 10 years

Allen: That was before, when John was a college student in Mississippi. He admitted to that. Thats what Im saying. If anybody knows of anything from 22 years ago, Id like to know it. But if its the ones when he was a college student in Mississippi before he came to the seminary at Fort Worth and Prestonwood as an intern, then those may be out there but that gave no reason to go on a witch hunt of what John may have been doing in 22 years that nobody knew about. Nobody knew about that, Matt. Matt: No, Im sorry -Allen: When John left Prestonwood, he went back, again, his father was a minister, his father-inlaw was a minister, his wife pregnant with a daughter they named Jordan and Amy knew all about
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John and that he left and went back to Mississippi. We helped him pack that day, his U-Haul, with his parents. And there were no blinders on Amys part about what was going on back then about John and where he was going and the environment he was going into. So Im upset, Matt. Bottom line, Im upset. I think its a witch hunt. I think the things Amys put out there about Jack and all the things Ive read its all speculation. You dont ruin peoples lives and try to ruin a church and a pastor and a lot of innocent lives over speculation. If theres something concrete, thats different. But this whole thing started over a suspicion that John may have done something over the last 22 years. But without anybodys full accurate knowledge, nobody knows that. Matt: How can we find out?

Allen: Well, I think its going to come out, everything Ive read thats out there - all the publicity, the district attorney investigating, the police investigating everybody, all of the blogs, the internet castigating Jack for a cover-up and everybody putting out there that any other victim of John Langworthy to please come forward, then fine, lets wait till they come forward. If not, then a lot of innocent people have been hurt including Jack that I respect very, very much. It is wrong, and Amy knows that Jack had been there only a few weeks before this thing with John happened. Bill Taylor was the point man at the church administratively and Neal was there also. Nobody tried to cover this up with John. Yes, they tried to handle it discreetly as any church tries to do. But to say they just let a wolf go out to start molesting kids and all of that, thats just absolutely wrong. They even put the tag sexual predator on John. Its libelous, as far as Im concerned, unless they know something different. I think youre dealing in some very serious territory here, Matt. And I say that with all due respect for Amy as my daughter. But there could be some very serious repercussions I had a good talk with Mike Buster the other day about all of this. And, because I respect Mike, I respect Jack, I respect Prestonwood. And for Prestonwood, to be cast in this limelight is hurting to me personally. Weve got so many friends there and I dont know where this Christa Brown comes in in Amys life. For her to step up 35 years after an incident happened at First Baptist Church of Farmers Branch and go through what she did 35 years later from 1969 to 2004. That is problematic in itself. Im sorry but it is. And for her to be out there doing all of the things shes doing Theres a lot of people sitting on the sidelines that have no knowledge of the facts, putting in their 2 cents worth on this blog. And that to me is just disgraceful, theres nothing Christian about it, and Im very upset, Matt. So we can leave it at that. But unless somebody knew of anything that John, when he left Prestonwood 22 years ago, and knew of anything concrete thats happened in his life in 22 years then everything that has been done, is libelous, is slanderous and is wrong. And as we tried to say the other day in the email we sent Amy back, we have great concern about repercussions that can be forthcoming from this. Matt: I was going to ask what youre referring to, what type of repercussion.

Allen: She had no basis to go on this witch hunt. She had no basis. Unless she knew of something in Johns life 22 years ago when he left Prestonwood on July the 14 th or whatever it was, of 1989, his parents came over, *Amy was there to help load him up in the U-Haul, they came to our house, and they left. Unless Amy knows of an incident that happened in 22 years, she had no right to go on this witch hunt against John and against Prestonwood. Im sorry.
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*I have no memory of helping Langworthy load up the U-Haul. Thats what Im talking about. And putting pictures of Jack Graham on this *thefullcourt.blogspot.com and say, this is what Jack Graham really looks like and made it look like that Jack is just a sexual predator himself that is what Amy did, thats problematic in itself. *He thinks I wrote a post on another blog that I had nothing to do with. The blogger wrote about me and the Prestonwood/Langworthy story and put my contact information but my dad misunderstood, as if it was my signature on the post. Matt: Allen, I dont know what youre talking about right now.

Allen: Ill email it to you. Ill email it to you and show you what she put on there on August, the 12th on thefullcourt.blogspot.com a picture of Jack, then it says, This is a picture of what Jack really looks like. And that picture makes him look like hes a sexual predator and then Amy puts a paragraph or two about Jack and the cover-up and all that hes done which she signs as Amy Smith, SNAP Houston. Thats what Im talking about thats problematic. Do you want me to email it to you? Matt: Ill ask her. Im at Home Depot right now.

Allen: Well, its thefullcourt.blogspot.com. Thats the website that it was posted under I believe on Friday, August the 12th. Its a direct attack upon Jack. Jack had been there 4, maybe 5 weeks whenever that incident happened with John Langworthy. He barely knew John Langworthy. Matt: Allen: Matt: So he didnt know anything about this? Absolutely not. He wasnt involved at all?

Allen: No, he knew it after it came out. But he didnt even know the staff. He has just gotten there four weeks ago. Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: You said John Langworthys direct report was Dick Baker, the minister of music. You said there was an attorney involved. Im certain there was. Yes, Randy Addison was the attorney for the church, that handled this for the church. Did he make

Allen: He handled it with [name of a victim] and the parents. Matt, you know I dont want to resurrect all the legal issues of what could have been there 22 years ago. But at the time, the facts on hand, the church handled it properly. There was no cover-up, the youth knew full well why John was leaving, the parents knew full well why John was leaving, and Amy knew full well why John was leaving.
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Matt: Allen: Matt:

Why didnt anyone tell the police? Matt, I dont know that. Okay.

Allen: I dont know that. I do not know why anyone didnt tell the police. *Youre dealing with 17, 18, 19-year old boys. So I dont know that. If we want to resurrect something 22 years ago from what should have been done about the police, then Im sorry but you dont go 22 years later and ruin peoples lives like was done. And unless somebody can come up with something concrete that was done by John after he left Prestonwood, Id like to know it. *These were their ages when these victims were discovered, not at the time of the abuse which happened in the years prior. The other thing that is very troubling, Matt, very troubling is that Amy has lost all future relationship with Scott and Kevin over this. Im telling you. She has destroyed a relationship with Scott and Kevin. They were close to John. They knew John. Nothing ever happened with them and John and its embarrassing to them about what Amy has done and how all this has come out and what it looks like, and everybodys asking, Mike Buster said, What is Amys motive in this? I said I dont know. I have no clue to what her motive is 22 years later when John was close as they were during that time and our family was. They named their first child after us. But Scott and Kevin are absolutely, totally upset about Amy and what shes done and how she has carried on about this and to go on a witch hunt 22 years later is Theres something wrong about all this, Matt. Theres just something wrong about all this. And Ive read about all the blogs and all the time that that has been spent on this and Sherry LeFils or whatever her-name up in Dallas, the professionalso called, all that stuff.. She didnt even know John. She didnt even know what happened back then. Shes going off on what a *[name of possible victim] told her that was a college student when John was there. And Im telling you, theres just some problematic issues here that I have very great concern about. And Amy started this in August when we were still in Dallas at Prestonwood. And, of course nothing came out at that time. But you go forward a year later and this is the result of what Amy has been trying to do for all this time. And Johns daughters are in college or high school and its just torn this family. *This person was in high school also during Johns time at Prestonwood . To do this, if she had concrete knowledge of something that happened with John, that is different. But she did not. You go on a witch hunt and try to surface these things, you better be on the receiving end of that witch hunt coming back to you in the form of libel and slander not only from John but from both the Morrison Heights Baptist Church, the principal, and from Jack particularly over what Amy has tried to do to Jack which she knows that Jack Graham is not that kind of person. She knows that. And youre never ever, youre never ever going to stop no matter what all this group is trying to do the church staff involvement with kids, teachers involvement with kids youre never going to stop all of that no matter what kind of crusade you go on. Its there. Its part of life. Nobodys supposed to try to cover it up or put blinders on it but nobody put blinders on John Langworthy at Prestonwood 22 years ago. He was no lone wolf that was put out to pasture. Thats kind of what all this is made it
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to believe and also, the connotation is that John was at Prestonwood and molesting little kids, preying on little kids as a sexual predator. That is far from the truth. Youve got your hands full, Matt, Im telling you. Matt: Allen: You asked for concrete facts. Let me tell you what I know, if you dont mind. Alright.

Matt: I know that before he got to Prestonwood in Mississippi, he molested both a 9-year old and a 10-year old at least. Weve spoken to them. We know that one of his victims in Prestonwood was 15 years old. He probably had multiple and they may have been older, but at least one of them was 15 years old. Allen: Matt: What did the parents elect to do on that? At the time John left, he was 17. Right.

Allen: *Alright the parents [victims parents], the parents opted not to do anything with the police. It was their decision. *I have spoken with these parents who told me that my dad Allen called them soon after they made calls to the Mississippi school district in 1989-90 where John Langworthy was working to warn them about John. These parents stated my dad told them to leave John Langworthy alone. Matt: But you asked for concrete facts. Heres what else I know and I know this from the police officers in my family. I know that all the way back then and even now, theres mandatory report ing requirements for any suspicion Allen: Matt: Matt, Im hanging up on you. Ive tried to tell you that 22 years ago, Amy knew John. Right. And she

Allen: If shes going on this witch hunt after 22 years, thats fine and try to destroy Prestonwood. But when you point one finger, youve got three pointing back. She better be careful unless she knows of something that happened to John over 22 years. Shes treading on dangerous territory. All shes trying to do to discredit Jack and Prestonwood. Im telling you, thats a witch hunt - thats an absolute witch hunt - she needs to be putting all this time into her own daughters and her family and not spending all this time trying to resurrect something from 22 years ago that she has no concrete proof. You can go back 22 years and try to bring this stuff up, but life has moved on and nobody knows whats gone on in Johns life for 22 years. So Ive had enough. You can go back in all these 22 years ago, Matt. Thats fine. If you want, if yall want you go on living your lives from 22 years ago, thats fine. Live your life on something that is tearing people and families apart, thats fine. But I know for a fact [name of a victim] may have been 15 when it started but he was a senior in high school when John left. His parents opted not to do anything. Ive talked with [dad of a victim]. He was a fellow deacon with me. I knew [dad of victim]. They opted not to do anything. Matt: Why did they do that?
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Allen: As far as what happened in Mississippi 25 or so years ago, I dont know anything about that. So tell me something over the last 22 years. Matt: Allen, I dont have anything to tell you for the last 22 years but I can tell you that if somebody Allen: Matt, Im hanging up. You heard what I said. Amy knew John and if you go for 22 years and youre silent and then all of a sudden you say everybody should have done something then, theres a problem with that. Theres a major Matt: Can I tell you Would you like to know why? You asked about her motive. I can tell you that, if youd like. Allen: Whats her motive?

Matt: Alright. She had not really thought of John for a very long time. Shes living her life, just like you said and thought about him here I dont know 3 years ago, 4 years ago, something like that, but had forgotten all about that incident at Prestonwood. At that point, technology has changed you can actually find people. You dont have to use your memory or phonebook. So she gets on board and realizes that he is working with kids like he had been before. And that was disconcerting to her but still didnt do anything. Kinda took the same approach. And then last year at this time, the reason why I mentioned August, uh, we were talking to some friends about the story they had heard that happened up at Kanakuk. They were telling us the story where the # 2 guy up there, nobody had said anything for years and years and years, he had preyed on kids at that camp. And at that point, she became convicted, felt guilty, and realized that she needed to say something. Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: Did she ever call John up and talked with him? She tried, multiple times. Multiple times. To talk to John? Yes. Why wasnt she successful? Im sorry. John Sorry. I thought you said Jack. John Langworthy? No, John Langworthy. Did she ever call John Langworthy up? No, she didnt call John.

Allen: Dont you think that would have been the proper thing to do, as close as Amy was-- in their wedding to call John up and just talk with him to know what his life has been like. Or talk to Cathy? She knew Cathy very, very well. Matt: I can tell you I dont know what Amy should have done but I can tell you I wouldnt have done that. The reason I wouldnt have done that is because if you had been preying on kids
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Allen: Matt:

Matt. He would have told

Allen: Matt, Matt, let me just Let me just stop you. That may have been the reason why but Amy didnt need to spend a year of her life destroying peoples lives over a witch hunt. Im sorry. That may have been the motivation but Amys got other fish to fry and that was not her cross to bear from 22 years ago. Not going about it like she did, not knowing anything about what happened to John in 22 years. None, zero. And thats not a motivation to destroy a superintend ent, two pastors of a church, and other families. Thats no reason to do that, not to mention the probably thousands and thousands of hours that Amy has put in to this that I can see. Matt: Allen: Matt: Allen: Matt: I think thousands is Over the last year. A bit high. Whats that? I think thousands is high.

Allen: Hundreds, then. Hundreds. Several hundred, 4 or 500, whatever. I dont care. Theres no motivation for that. You read about all the time, different things happen to different people but Amy knows that John was not a criminal, he was not a sexual child predator. This knowledge of whatever happened to him when he was in college before he came to Prestonwood - thats something that may be there but that was before any incident of what Amy knew about John and his life at Prestonwood and it will be that inappropriate sexual behavior with. But John was not a child predator as has been portrayed-- that youve got to lock up your children when you see him coming.. Matt: Allen: Matt: But Allen, I have to disagree with you. If he was molesting a 15-year old, thats a crime. Matt, you know what? What?

Allen: Im going to tell you something right now. I dont want to have this conversation anymore. You can go back to 22 years ago. You and Amy are going to pay a big price for what has been done here. Im telling you. You dont go on witch hunts from 22 years ago. You dont. The parents opted not to do anything. Does that make any-- does that register at all? The parents opted not to do anything. Im hanging up, Matt. End

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