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Zullo: Hi Rick. Pleasure to be with you.

Rick: Yes sir. Well, things are going well for Mr. Obama these days. It seems this would be a good time to reopen the original scandal, which is his questionable identity. So I wanted to check in with you Mr. Zullo and find out if there are any new developments in the Sheriffs Office investigation of Mr. Obamas identification.

Thats devastating news. You have now an independent individual working, if you will, over our shoulder, looking at what we did, and then did his own analysis and came to the very same conclusion. So I would have to assume, if I were Mr. Obama or that campaign, that there are going to be some problems for them on the horizon regarding this document. Rick: Yes. If Barack Obama was not the President of the United States, if he was just Joe Smith, and he lived there in Phoenix and say a corporation called the sheriffs office and said, We have a man who is working for us and we think his, we think his identification papers are a little fishy here and you opened up an investigation and you had an expert witness tell you the same thing about Joe Smiths identification papers as has been told to you about Mr. Obamas birth certificate thats on the White House web site, what would you do as a police officer? Zullo: Well that individual, depending on what he did with the document. If the document was used to secure employment and we can determine that the document was in fact a forgery and he has committed fraud, he would be arrested. No different than using a phony Social Security number. And in Maricopa County, the State of Arizona, thats a class 4 felony. You cant take documentsyou cant take state, official, or federal documents and reproduce them to some extent to make them what you want them to be. You cant replicate them on any level. And you certainly cant create them out of thin air, and thats what was done with the Obama document. The Obama documentand were using the word document when we really shouldnt. The Obama pdf file is nothing more than a computer file that this image of a birth certificate was
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Zullo: Well there are. This investigation is now ongoing for 21 months and as of recentlyover I would say the last three or four monthsweve uncovered even more evidence that is irrefutable that the document itselfthe pdf fileis an utter forgery. On top of that evidence, we were successful in hiring a court-certified forensic document examiner, an individual with 20 years of experience, has testified in numerous court cases involving document fraud, and an independent evaluation by hima 40-page report issued by himwith his professional conclusion that he has never seen a document so flawed as this, and that, in his professional opinion, the document is a 100% forgery.

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Mike Zullo, Maricopa County Sheriffs Office Cold Case Posse Interview conducted by Rick Wiles of True News Radio on 6/12/2013 Transcribed from audio available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3ZRfe13E7s, accessed on 6/12/2013

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Rick: And what a lot of Americans are waking up to realize right now is we have a rogue regime in power that is using the Internal Revenue Service to go after opponents of the Administrations policies, to intimidate critics. We have aweve got a rogue regime that is using the power of the federal government to investigate news reporters that they dont like their stories. Weve got the scandal of the Benghazi murder of Ambassador Stevens, the phony story that was made up by the Obama White House about the goofy Muslim video that they said started the whole ruckus in Benghazi.

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But theres problems in a lot of the background. Theres problems in his years at Columbia University, where he professes to be there, yet 400 alumni and nobody remembers him at his 30-year reunion for that Columbia graduating class, I believe it was in 83, nobody remembered seeing him. He didnt even, as President of the United States, as an alumni
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Zullo: You have Barry Soetoro. You have Barry Obama. Barack Hussein Obama and another one found on a passport from his mother called Soebarkah, which were not sure what that even means but he was referenced to that on a passport document where his name was stricken from. So were a little in the dark on that particular one.

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Rick: Can you tell us the four, I mean, I know, I often call him Barry Soetoro. What are his other aliases?

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Zullo: I would agree with you. Whats even more frightening than that is as a law enforcement agency, we cannot make a positive identification. We dont have supporting documentation to back up the birth narrative. He is the only President in U.S. history that has four aliases. He goes by four different names. Thats unsettling in and of itself.

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And the list just goes on and on and on. Scandal after scandal. And every instance, the Obama people have been caught lying and lying and lying, so why shouldnt we revisit the original scandal? The scandal that goes back to 2008 when he first ran for president. This radio show, we devoted countless hours in 08 and 9 and 10 throughout his first term. I interviewed so many people Ive lost track of it. But this is the ultimate scandal because if it is proven that these documentsor these so-called documentsare just manufactured pdf files, and that this man is not who he says he is, then this is the biggest scandal not only of this administration. This is the biggest scandal in the history of the Republic.

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created in. So, in other words, this never started out its life as an original paper document. It was manufactured completely inside a computer. This thing resides in cyberspace. Hence, the production of this document as Mr. Obama saying that this is proof positive of his birth is an erroneous statement, and the fact is that the production of this pdf file loaded up to the White House web site at whitehouse.gov and given to the American people as the reference document, the fact of the matter is he has produced nothing to verify his birth in the state of Hawaii. So the American people have been defrauded in our opinion.

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there, send even a video message to that reunion. I mean theres just stuff that is unheard of. As President of the Harvard Law Review, he never authored a paper that anyone can find.

You start to go back into the history, and we have no evidence that this individual was in the United States before the age of five. The only evidence thats been offered to suggest that is an erroneous birth certificate. Theres no supporting documentation around it. Theres no hospital records, no eyewitness account of the birth, no eyewitness account of the mother being pregnant. And to make it even worse, we dont have any information that actually substantiates that theres validity to the claim that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama are even the parents. Youre shown a photograph. Youre shown a couple of photographs that have been circulating around now for nine years and theyre out there saying that this is mommy and this is daddy. But theres no evidence to back that. Theres nobody out there to say that they know within 100% certainty that Stanley Ann Dunham was his biological mother. Theres nobody to say that Barack Hussein Obama was the biological father. This gets troubling. If I were doing a background on you, I could get somebody, somebody, that could say they remember you at one or two or three years old. Or somebody would have a picture of you in your mothers arms right after you were born. Theres none of that here. Its just really a very murky background that is very difficult to follow. And that background could not get you a job as a janitor in the White House, let alone the President of the United States. 9:09

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Rick: But only intelligence agencies have the capability of doing something like this, Mike. Zullo: Well, as part of our investigation, we contacted the federal government employee services, which he would fall under. And we were told specifically by them that there is no vetting of a U.S. President, no vetting of a President-elect and no vetting of the President.
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Zullo: At this point, I could not rule out any possibility although I can not make any accusation either. All I can tell you right now is I have an individual that I cant track his roots. You go into a certain depth into the background and the trail ends. And thats where our biggest problem is with this.

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Rick: This persona that he operates under simply doesnt exist. He is a shadowhes a shadow person. And Mike, for this to take placeand Im in complete agreement because these are the kind of things that we have talked about on this program through the yearsthen what it means is hes not just a smooth talking, jive talking street thug that talked his way into the White House. It means that he was placed here. He was deliberately placed here as a child. His identity was concealed. Identitythere were traces of identity made for him whether at college or other ways but he never existed in any of those, any of those things. He is a manufactured person. And the conclusion Ive come to is that he is a foreign plant. Have you considered the possibility that he is a foreign agent?

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Theres no agency on record that looks into this. We were told it is done by the Constitution, the loyal opposition, and the media. So there is no vetting of the background.

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Zullo: I agree with you. I agree with you. Its something to be very concerned about. The American people do have to realize there does come a tipping point where, when you wake up, it is too late to wake up. And we are getting very, very close to that. Rick: Are there any

Zullo: Something has to be done Rick: Go ahead sir.

Zullo: Go ahead. Something has to be done with this and Sheriff Arpaio and I are making a desperate push now to get this in front of Congress. We are going to find a way to get our information in front of Congress. We believe our evidence will stand up in any courtroom if this thing ever got into a courtroom. We believe Congress Rick: I dont think Speaker Boehner will let you do it. I think hes in on it. Zullo: I would agree with you, but you know something? If you get enough public outcry behind you, public outrage behind you, that moves mountains. And thats what were going to have to work on. Weve got the evidence. Weve got the goods. Now its just the time to find somebody to hear it. Theres people out there who are clamoring for us to file charges, make a complaint, bring it to the state Attorney Generals office. Theres problems with that. One of the biggest problems is the clock will run almost indefinitely. If we were to file charges today, if we were to get an indictment today, that wouldnt get adjudicatedwith all the delays and tactics that they can dofor four, five, six years.

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Rick: And to me, Mike, that is an overthrow of the Republic.

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When you have media in the bag for an individual like they are for this man, there is no vetting process. And on top of that, the certification received by all states in the union regarding his ability to be placed on a ballot from the Democratic National Committee. The Democratic National Committee said that he meets the qualifications to be President by their standards. Not by constitutional standards. That language was omitted in that. And its not the first time thats happened. That happened in the Clinton era. The Republican side of the aisle, they keep the constitutional provision requirement in their document. So people have to start to really understand. Youve got to get your arms around our Constitution. Youve got to understand whats being done here. You are being conditioned to accept things that perhaps are not really legal. You get into the whole natural born issue. You get into the First Amendment rights. Youre starting to be told what you can and cannot do or what is acceptable or not acceptable, regardless of what that founding document says.

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We have evidence now. I have real evidence. This is not somebody thinking that its this or making the conclusion by jumping from A, B, to D. This is evidence. This is provable. Its verified. Its real. This thing is fake. And theres only one or two reasons why you make a document like this. Either it never existed before, or you made it to add, conceal, or erase certain information. Those are the only reasons. Theres no other reason to make this. 15:14

Rick: Would you describe any of the evidence that you have as the smoking gun?

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Zullo: This would take further investigation. This is going to go into Hawaii. Hawaii, for lack of a better word, has their fingerprints on this to some extent. We did get a verification request from our Secretary of State asking for the document to be verified. And the verification that Hawaii ultimately sent back which was actually fought over for about three months and, as fate would have it, after we knocked on the door to interview the registrar of the Department of Health in Hawaii, which they declined, miraculously, they decided to give the verification the next day after we knocked on that door. But the verification never verified the creation of the pdf file. It merely says that they verify that the information on the document we provided matches whats in the record. Thats not a verification of the birth certificate itself. It just says theres matching record information.

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Zullo: I dont have a number one suspect if thats what youre asking me.

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Rick: And do you have fingerprints? Do you have fingerprints? Im talking about fingerprints. Do you have names, faces, people that you could say, we know for a fact that individual was involved in this crime?

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Zullo: Some of it, we do. And I cant disclose to you what it is. We do have what you would call smoking gun. I can probably name 11 different things in this document that, on any witness stand, any forensic document examiner would have to say that document is suspect and therefore null and void. What we have uncovered as recently as six weeks ago, some new information that removes any doubt about what was done her. Just removes any doubt. So as far as the document itself, we stand ready to prove the document is fraudulent. The problem that we have now, not so much a problem, where we need to further the investigation is to determine what information was either changed, concealed, or erased. Thats what we have to figure out. The only way to do that

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We dont have that time. Weve got to get it to Congress. A select committee needs to be appointed to make the inquiry. Maybe a special prosecutor that does not answer to the DOJ. Thats what needs to be done. Thats what people need to gear up for and know that theyre going to have to really make their voices heard like theyve never been heard before because what effectively is happening, and I agree with you with the Speaker of the House, the American peoples voice has been silenced on this issue because they refuse to deal with it.

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Rick: And the fact that he instructed his attorney to do it. Does that protect the attorney from being required to answer any questions?

Zullo: Well, what I would say is we are working on that now. I dont have a hard date yet, but we are working on it. What I would strongly suggest is for your listeners to stay tuned to your broadcast and at some point were going to make it known how this is going to happen. And then its going to be really a drive by citizens, burning down, emails, pounding the tables, making calls, and demand that they look into this. And youre going to have to hope and pray that we get a groundswell of support. You get a couple hundred thousand people, you get some attention. You get a couple million people, youre going to get the attention. We think thats what its going to take. I do agree with you. It is the biggest issue. It is the granddaddy of the lies. Its got some serious consequences. There are people being put in harms way every day at the authority of this individual. I dont know what information was changed. I dont know if he qualifies or not. But one day we are all going to find out.

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Rick: All right, Mike. Final question is when are you going to take this evidence to the U.S. Congress and what can American citizens do to put pressure on their members of Congress to open an investigation?

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If that was my birth certificate, Id want to see it, touch it, and Id want a copy of it, put it in my breast pocket and take it home. But they didnt even let that happen, according to White House counsel. So theyve already set up the stage for deniability, although I dont know how strong thats going to be because its been all over the internet since he released it that its been called into question. And a normal individual who had nothing to hide would have instructed somebody especially when you command the greatest country on the face of the Earthto get to the bottom of it and get me my real birth certificate, if you had nothing to hide. So, you know, its going to be an interesting

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Zullo: Well, I think at some point, that attorney-client privilege may be not as strong as they think. It depends on how this gets done. It depends on where this thing gets dealt with. If its in front of Congress, they would have a little bit of a hard time invoking that privilege to the extent that they would like to. But I think it was set up and done like that to create distance. Youre going to have, for lack of a better word, plausible deniability on Mr. Obamas part. Hes going to say, I didnt pick it up. I dont know whats in it. We have on record White House counsel Bob Bauer saying that they didnt let him touch the certificate. That is suspect to me right from jump street.

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The problem with Hawaii is, the way their statutes are, those records can be amended numerous ways. Even by the individual whose on the birth certificate self-reporting to change information. So we dont know whats in those birth records. But we do believe that when Mr. Obama asked his attorney to go down and pick up two certified copieshard paper copies of his birth certificatewe have never seen them. The public has never seen them. And we think there is something on that certificate that necessitated the creation of this fraudulent document.

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Rick: Thats right. And if the truth ever comes out, its not just going to bring down Barack Obama, and its not just going to bring down the Obama Administration. The revelation of the truth of this scandal is going to reveal a dark, sinister, shadow power thats operating in this nation to overthrowto subvertthe constitutional republic. This goes much deeper than just some smooth-talking Chicago politician lied his way into the White House. This is a deep, sinister operation that goes back decades. And its not just in the United States. This is a worldwide operation against the American people to destroy this republic. Thats my personal opinion. My guest, Mr. Mike Zullo, lead investigator for Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaios Cold Case Posse investigation.