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01-04-2010

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How to EQ kicks to get the "low" sound?

Like on Raekwon's "Ice Cream" you can hear that the RZA used low kicks to compensate for lack of low-end in the beat. I'm pretty sure he used a drum break for the drums, but how could I EQ to get that deep kick sound?

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01-05-2010

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If you listen to that track with head phones there is a bass line in that track. Its hard to hear cuz its really filtered. In one of the interviews in beat tips manual i remember one producer talking about how you can put an small/medium sized 808 kick with your kick and layer it to make it bump. here is a quick EQ chart for kicks that i pulled of a website for you to play around with. More More More More boom (modern) +6dB at 50Hz boom (solid, classic) +6dB at 100Hz smack (attack) +7dB at 3.5kHz click (beater) +6dB at 6.0kHz

Have you played around with parallel compression(NY drum trick)? This can make for some really nice sounding drums that bang.

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Originally Posted by BrandonF42088

If you listen to that track with head phones there is a bass line in that track. Its hard to hear cuz its really filtered. In one of the interviews in beat tips manual i remember one producer talking about how you can put an small/medium sized 808 kick with your kick and layer it to make it bump. here is a quick EQ chart for kicks that i pulled of a website for you to play around with. More More More More boom (modern) +6dB at 50Hz boom (solid, classic) +6dB at 100Hz smack (attack) +7dB at 3.5kHz click (beater) +6dB at 6.0kHz

Have you played around with parallel compression(NY drum trick)? This can make for some really nice sounding

Have you played around with parallel compression(NY drum trick)? This can make for some really nice sounding drums that bang.

thanks for the reply. what's parallel compression?

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01-06-2010

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Parallel compression is where you take take two copies of a drum signal or all the drum signals (you can do it on just the kick or your can do it on the kick and the snare and the hat Its up to you.) You leave one the 2 of the signals just clean and open not compressed at all. Then you blend it with the other signal which you compress heavily and eq to bring out the lows. With the open signal the drums sound natural and the compressed eqed signal brings out the bump.

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01-06-2010

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Originally Posted by BrandonF42088

Parallel compression is where you take take two copies of a drum signal or all the drum signals (you can do it on just the kick or your can do it on the kick and the snare and the hat Its up to you.) You leave one the 2 of the signals just clean and open not compressed at all. Then you blend it with the other signal which you compress heavily and eq to bring out the lows. With the open signal the drums sound natural and the compressed eqed signal brings out the bump.

interesting. I looked at a tutorial on youtube and I still didn't really understand how he did it. So say if I got my kick on track one routed to the master channel, I can copy that, and compress the kick heavily and EQ to bring out the low and mix it in until it sounds right? is it that easy?

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01-06-2010

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That sounds right to me. There is more than one way to do it. You just blend them to taste I would start with both of the drum signals (processed & non processed) faders or pots down at -15db and slowly bring them up and blend them. There are good plugins that make it real easy to achiece this like the Mc DSP 4030 Retro Compressor it has a mix knob on it that allows you to blend the compressed with the non compressed right on the plugin interface.

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Thanks, I got it...good results.

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I start of turning the gain up on a frequency of 100 or so, adjust the q to get a narrow bell shape. Listen to the kick as I move the frequency back and forth till I hear the thump sound I want or like. Just to add lil high end, I use the same method as above, and start with a frequency of a 120. If it's still not clear ask and I'll show u.

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Good tip with the parallel, but just remember, using a VST or other plug-in to get your compression really isn't compression. The plug-in is compressing digital data and not audio, so if you can, it's usually best to record your audio through a compressor before even hitting you DAW, you will be able to physically see the waveform contained, almost rectangluar/squared off, like there is a ceiling.

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05-02-2010

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Originally Posted by Castro Beats

Good tip with the parallel, but just remember, using a VST or other plug-in to get your compression really isn't compression. The plug-in is compressing digital data and not audio, so if you can, it's usually best to record your audio through a compressor before even hitting you DAW, you will be able to physically see the waveform contained, almost rectangluar/squared off, like there is a ceiling.

Plug-in compression works just like compressing a signal with a hardware compressor. To prove this in Pro Tools take a uncompressed waveform and insert a compressor and make sure you are getting around 6dB or more of gain reduction (just so you can really see) then put that tracks output on a bus say bus 3-4(or 3 if its a mono track) then create a new audio track and set the input to bus 3-4 record enable that track and then push record. Look at the waveforms and you will see that the new track is compressed as you described "almost squared off like there is a ceiling."

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