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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@ukedchat @Debsgf @danielharvey9

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@Educationchat

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@danielharvey9

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@mrjonesICT @Educationchat @jillberry102

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@Debsgf

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@Gwenelope

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@mrmortonkba @jillberry102 @Debsgf @GreenHamstring @Jon_Torbitt

Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @Debsgf Private vs state schools: which has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration? Please remember to use the hashtag #UKedchat and not the actual Twitter handle @ukedchat ta! Lets chat! @Debsgf @GreenHamstring this all depends on specifics. Tbh I've done some collaboration with a private school #UKedchat 1/2 .@Debsgf I moved from a state to an indie school. Different and similar at same time. Regularly offer to collaborate with st schls #ukedchat #ukedchat It's just wrong that money can determine which school you go to and what opportunities you are therefore given. @Debsgf @GreenHamstring and teachers very much like state school ones I would with. As I said depends on context and specific pro #UKedchat HELP! Moodle or Edmodo or Schoology? Which do you use and why? Please RT! Thank you :) #edtech #ukedchat #edchat #ipaded In my opinion all private schools should be shut down and let's have true equality in this country. #ukedchat #ukedchat So many teachers like me teach across both sectors in their professional lives. It makes sense for the sectors to work together. @Jon_Torbitt what did you find were the biggest differences and are the two sectors really that different? #UKedchat @Debsgf @ukedchat Well, apart from my recent visit to Wellington College, I have not been to an Independent school, am clueless! #UKedchat Each sector tends to keep the other at arms length and hard to compare with different qualifications. Few really know #ukedchat #ukedchat And there is so much expertise in both sectors - each has a great deal to learn from the other. Is teaching and learning as dynamic in the private sector? Does it have to be? #ukedchat #ukedchat - Currently planning a paired teaching programme with a private school. They will come and observe and then we will team teach. .@Educationchat why most/all pct schools offer
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@Educationchat @Debsgf @Educationchat @Debsgf @Jon_Torbitt

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@Jamesbayston

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@fod3 @SENConsultancy @danielharvey9 @Educationchat @Debsgf @lefouque @Gwenelope

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@mrmortonkba

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@GreenHamstring @jillberry102

scholarships and bursaries as registered charities. Grandparents often contribute #ukedchat #ukedchat This gov'nt is banging on about closing the gap between rich & poor in schools. Abolishing paid education is a great way to start. @Jon_Torbitt were the days longer? Also facilities too must have been of a better quality #UKedchat #ukedchat But living in the real world, there should be more collaboration - let state educated children use private facilities. @Gwenelope do you think the environment makes it more beneficial for learning? #UKedchat .@mrjonesICT None of the above - Sharepoint 2013 does it all if you're willing to get it running. Is free with EDU licence! #ukedchat RT @Jamesbayston: @Educationchat if you closed independent school who would pay for the additional school places required? #ukedchat #ukedchat I work at Wellington Academy and we are linked with Wellington College...lots of links in place. Can't wait to establish my link. #ukedchat If I wasn't sent to a private school I wouldn't of made it uni & become a teacher @Debsgf @GreenHamstring but hard for teachers to know about what's great about a private school and therefore what 2 collaborate #UKedchat #ukedchat I went to state schools and met children of all cultures and religions - but very few 'rich kids'. @SalopSkyBlue what's your experience, have you worked in both sectors? #UKedchat much ado about #nothing http://youtu.be/1OLz6uUuMp8 #ukedchat #gifted #ukedchat Wouid someone state educated, non 'ivy league' Uni, be able to get a job in an indie school? #curious Ideologically I resent the idea that you can pay a fee to have better teachers and education. Not exclusively true either #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat - The English Department we are hoping to work with admits to being pretty didactic in their approach. @Educationchat #ukedchat Am betting you haven't
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@Debsgf

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@Educationchat @Debsgf

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@DrJohnLTaylor

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@ShaunRenton @Debsgf @Dandan7171

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@SENConsultancy @Jamesbayston @Gwenelope

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@Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @jillberry102 @danielharvey9

taught in the independent sector yourself.... @danielharvey9 @GreenHamstring do you think that a more open door policy would help this though? #UKedchat @mrlockyer Teachers can teach in state schools and children can go to state schools. Mix them all up! #ukedchat @GreenHamstring very traditional in terms of teaching style then? #UKedchat Running an online partnership schools philosophy zone vle - going strong. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8304409.stm #ukedchat .@Debsgf Biggest diff - class size. Sectors overwhelmingly similar. 95% staff QTS. Many MEds/MAs. CPD/observations/PM mandatory #ukedchat @SENConsultancy do you feel state school wouldn't have given you opp. To go to uni? Almost all teachers I've met went state #ukedchat @ieshasmall why do you think this is so? #UKedchat I would be interested to see how far primary children could be taken in terms of potential. A comparison of learning cultures #ukedchat @Educationchat Many private schools don't have great facilities. You're paying for the smaller classes. #ukedchat @jillberry102 @Educationchat where would all the student get educated? #ukedchat @Debsgf It has got to hasn't it?! It was just beautiful, whereas my dilapidated school is not! Must unaffected motivation. #ukedchat .@Debsgf some are - we run a 6 day timetable 8:15 4:50 with sports/enrichment in place of after school clubs as part of sch day #ukedchat We are discussing the similarities and differences in state and private education. #UKedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat I went to a bog standard comp & taught in 4 state schools. Became an ind school head & appointed some excellent staff.. @Debsgf @GreenHamstring again depends on schools mindset. I can find schools working on ideas I'm looking
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@Debsgf @Mat6453 @Jon_Torbitt

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@PaulDSharpe @jillberry102 @Dandan7171 @theICTadvisor @Debsgf @JamesJMatthews @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @jillberry102 @developingTandL @Debsgf @SENConsultancy

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@cherrylkd

at easily already. 1/2 #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt do you work closely with other schools in your local area? #UKedchat Next steps http://wp.me/p3a7br-ck via #ukedchat .@Educationchat @mrlockyer some of us already taught in state schools that are more exclusive than some independents! #ukedchat #houseprices Are there 3 different comparisons to be made when it comes to state schools, academies and private schools? Or state/acc as one? #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat ...from just this kind of background. Govt ought to consider some disadvantaged pupils into private boarding school, in some cases it would save society a fortune! #ukedchat @Educationchat what's your definition of 'rich kids'? Do you not believe that every child matter? #ukedchat Does your school link across sectors? Is it successful? #ukedchat Collaboration between state and private to ensure best practice and equal opportunity for all #ukedchat .@Debsgf we're part of a group of independents and I work with @CompAtSch to improve subject specialism across ALL schools in area #ukedchat @GreenHamstring did you find a lot of common ground then? Sounds very interesting! #UKedchat @Educationchat #ukedchat So many pupils in ind schools aren't from rich families - one of the most common misconceptions about the sector. Who knows what YBWATO stands for? #ukedchat #edchat @Jon_Torbitt @CompAtSch sounds interesting? Is this a new enterprise? #UKedchat @ShaunRenton I'm serverly dyslexic. I was 1 of 9 pupils. Loads of extra help. Would of got lost in a class of 30 #ukedchat @mrmortonkba: Each tends to keep other at arms length. Hard to compare with different qualifications. Few really know #ukedchat Disagree!! @Gwenelope @Debsgf @ukedchat Me too. I know they have longer hols and fewer children in class. There endeth my knowledge #ukedchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@HoDTeacher

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@srcav

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@jillberry102 @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @magicalmaths @magicalmaths

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@ShaunRenton

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@MissBex_M @Gwenelope @HoDTeacher @cherrylkd @Jon_Torbitt

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@Debsgf @Bio_Joe @Ebl_association @sarah_extence

You can get away with 'traditional teaching' in ind school (not always a bad thing), but risky strategies also likely to work #UKedchat New Blog: "Lunchtime Maths!" http://wp.me/p2z9Lp-4y #UMFac #Maths #mathchat #education #edchat #ukedchat @danielharvey9 @Debsgf @GreenHamstring Ironically I suppose schools need to collaborate & get to know each other to find this out! #ukedchat @Educationchat why not abolish paid parking and health care while you're at it!?!??! #naive #ukedchat MT @ieshasmall: diff types of pupils & behaviour. Same true in selective state schools. Not to say it can't be innovative though. #UKedchat Download The Best FREE Maths Apps - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat http://tinyurl.com/o4dce2b Ken Robinson - How to escape education's death valley, MUST WATCH! - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat http://tinyurl.com/otzhpm9 @SENConsultancy I have a child leaving for ind. school for a similar reason. Can't compete with the ratios #ukedchat My friend & colleague has just moved from state to private. He says different demands but better working environment #ukedchat @jillberry102 Ahhhhh, interesting! Wondered if moving from state to indie even doable if a 'prole'. :-) #ukedchat Huge difference is parental dynamic #ukedchat @SENConsultancy #ukedchat Why? Many teachers went to state schools including me. .@cherrylkd @gwenelope @debsgf some of us also have 6 day weeks and longer days - total days taught is roughly equal #ukedchat It seems there is very little understanding in general about state and private education #UKedchat Why is that? @Debsgf I often heard the phase well weve paid twice for education if you think about our taxes #UKedchat It would be ridiculous to ignore advantages of collaboration between state and private.Sometimes historic bias pollutes potential #ukedchat #ukedchat share and share alike skills are transferable
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@jillberry102 @JamesJMatthews @PaulDSharpe

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@Debsgf

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@HeyMissSmith

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@jillberry102 @JJ_brum @Gwenelope @Debsgf @ThompRichard @HeyMissSmith @Jon_Torbitt @SENConsultancy @mrlockyer

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@Coding2Learn

everyone has something to offer collaboration is essential in developing equal ed @Debsgf Some is and some isn't! Both ind and state schools in my experience have the full range of teaching expertise/talent. #ukedchat What if the cure for cancer is trapped inside the brain of someone who can't afford an education? #UKedchat @Debsgf I think, as someone mentioned before, both keep themselves at arms length for reasons unknown. #ukedchat @taralatkinson leads an an amazing Classics dept in a state school. Should subjects like that be studied in state schools? #ukedchat I find it insulting that schools with enormous resources/ facilities & a very low pupil/ teacher ratio are held up as a model #ukedchat @mrmortonkba #ukedchat That may have been the case a few years ago but there is a huge amount of partnership/collaboration happening now. Any teachers out there? hit on #UKedchat and debate with my great pal @Debsgf @cherrylkd @Debsgf @ukedchat But I'd love to know more. I think they're all like Hogwarts. #indieschools #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @ieshasmall but surely parental support must be a factor too? #UKedchat @Debsgf I worry that schools are being encouraged to compete, which discourages cross-sector (even crossschool?) collaboration. #ukedchat What are we supposed to learn? Lots of money results in high standards? #thinkIknewthat #UKedchat .@Debsgf simple answer - entrenched beliefs, lack of exposure and lack of willingness to explore other sectors #ukedchat ignorance not bliss @cherrylkd Most did. I've not met many privately educated teachers in the state sector #ukedchat @Gwenelope Not all like Hogwarts, just as all state schools are like Grange Hill! #fartooyoungtoremember #ukedchat @ThompRichard @Debsgf This worries me also. Open Education fails when schools are competing - State or Private. #ukedchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@ThompRichard @cherrylkd

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@Debsgf

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@jillberry102 @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf

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@sarah_extence @Jon_Torbitt @CaldiesEnglish

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@cherrylkd

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@Debsgf

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@jillberry102 @Gwenelope @Jon_Torbitt @sarah_extence

@HoDTeacher that is increasingly true in public sector too though, I feel. #ukedchat @HeyMissSmith Schools I hold in high esteem are ones in disadvantaged areas who turn ch around & close gap. Give them a future. #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt very interesting point. It seems that once you stick to a sector that's the one you stay in. #ukedchat .@JamesJMatthews then their teacher regardless of where they are is supposed to HELP unlock it. The student must want to learn #ukedchat @ThompRichard @Debsgf #ukedchat But ind schools are in competition with each other & still cooperate/collaborate. Emphasis on partnership. .@HoDTeacher a parents is dealt with as a parent regardless of sector #ukedchat #misconception @JamesJMatthews @jillberry102 @danielharvey9 @GreenHamstring it's surprised me little actual collaboration there appears to be. #UKedchat #ukedchat private ed tends to come with a network of contacts that support pupils in acquiring work/experience in desired field. .@Debsgf @ieshasmall if a parent wants to get involved they will. The school is largely irrelevant #ukedchat Think we need to start at the end. Why are so many top jobs given to private school candidates? Can we learn anything from them? #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Gwenelope @Debsgf I'm not criticising at all. I agree many work Saturdays too. #UKedchat All schools hard in different ways Do you think there should be a forced or a paired up mentality between state and private schools. In order to break down barriers? #UKedchat @HeyMissSmith #ukedchat I don't think they should be held up as a model either, but not all do have enormous resources/facilities. @mrlockyer I know neither is 'true' but that illustrates my lack of knowledge about them beautifully! #ukedchat .@Debsgf yep - entrenchment of views is a serious concern. It colours views, creates misconceptions and influences decision making #ukedchat #ukedchat parental support can be just as limited in
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@ThompRichard

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@Debsgf

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@jillberry102 @HoDTeacher @CaldiesEnglish @Jon_Torbitt

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@taralatkinson

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@teechit

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@Debsgf

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@jillberry102 @SENConsultancy @hrogerson @CaldiesEnglish @Jon_Torbitt

private depending on boarding or not! Emotional and attachment disorders can be high @jillberry102 @debsgf fair point, but the need for a competitive edge must have at least some impact on willingness to collaborate #ukedchat I know that private schools have staff working on a Saturday, does this work? Would this work in state schools? #UKedchat @HoDTeacher #ukedchat Not sure I'd agree, John. The fundamental difference is that the vast majority of parents are engaged/on-side. Very hard to move from Ind to State #ukedchat @HeyMissSmith Is it that simple? Surely 'high expectations' are free? #UKedchat .@HoDTeacher @debsgf @ieshasmall my pupils' parents no different compared to previous (state) sch. Both expected me to work hard #ukedchat @debsgf #ukedchat *Should*? State school pupils have as much right to access Classics as private. They enjoy & achieve as much, too. #ukedchat we do a bit of work with local private school. Nice folk, but it's a world away from our school, which is pretty 'leafy lane'. .@cherrylkd @gwenelope @debsgf lol i teach all Saturday, including coaching sports outside my subject. Sundays are for planning #ukedchat @Coding2Learn is this a good thing though? Would this improve standards? It's a part of the culture in the private sector? #UKedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat There's still a lot of preconceptions/false assumptions on both sides. I'd have had them too had I not taught in both. @sarah_extence Does depend on the feild but agree and more so with boys schools. #ukedchat @Debsgf independent schools have to go it alone as they don't get the same level of support, e.g no bursaries for cpd. Isolates #ukedchat @Debsgf This is a question I find very interesting #UKedchat .@ieshasmall @debsgf i taught in a state comp where the kids had better cars than the teachers! They all expect teacher to produce #ukedchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@Debsgf

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@Coding2Learn

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@hrogerson

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@jillberry102

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@Gwenelope @Coding2Learn @Kezmerrelda

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@Debsgf

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@MissBex_M @MsFindlater @Educationchat @hrogerson

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@jillberry102

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@Debsgf @sarah_extence

@SalopSkyBlue you seem unusual that you've worked in both sectors! What do you think each can learn from each other? #UKedchat @Debsgf More hours T&L will have an effect. If you can get staff and students on board then I can't see the problem. #ukedchat @ieshasmall: @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf same for state schools in certain catchment areas of course. agreed #ukedchat @Debsgf however, some private schools will try and collaborate with local schools by inviting them to events, it's marketing. #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat I moved at deputy headship level (5th school) - didn't necessarily want ind sector but did want dep headship! @Debsgf Forced can't possibly work can it, but something like a 'cross pollination' Teach Meet would have a better chance...#ukedchat @Debsgf I already give up a day a weekend to school work, as do most teachers I know. #ukedchat #UKedchat my friends kids in private (primary age) & many seem to be so fed up of unqualified teachers they have pulled their kids out @CaldiesEnglish I'm actually a lisurprised at the lack of real communication between the two sectors. Maybe #Ofsted has a point! #UKedchat I feel I don't know enough about private sector schools to say what the difference really is. We live with stereotypes #ukedchat @HoDTeacher in what way #UKedchat @Debsgf SSH! Don't give Gove any more crazy ideas! #ukedchat @Gwenelope @mrlockyer don't come to visit us! Hogwarts is not to far off. No over-large spiders in the forest though! #ukedchat @MissBex_M #ukedchat Absolutely. The pressures/demands are different - neither is a piece of cake. But generally most pupils want to learn. Could you say that private schools are perceived as more successful just because they have a more affluent and able intake? #UKedchat #ukedchat I work pubic my dad does private same
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@HeyMissSmith @CaldiesEnglish @FrancisPersonae

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@Coding2Learn @Gwenelope @Coding2Learn

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@PaulDSharpe

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@hrogerson @Debsgf @goveglossary @cherrylkd @Gwenelope @Coding2Learn @CaldiesEnglish

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@jillberry102 @HoDTeacher

difficulties with families same sorts of neglect different educational expectations .@CaldiesEnglish Improving education for the poorest and most vulnerable children in society is not encapsulated in a sound bite. #ukedchat @MissBex_M This is the truth with a lot of teachers, students and parents, I think #UKedchat @Debsgf @taralatkinson Agreed Tara. We do Philosophy at A-level (not RS) and through the lower school. Uncommon in state schools. #UKedchat @Debsgf I don't agree that they have a more able intake. I would say that is true of Grammar schools, which are selective. #ukedchat @jillberry102 And a successful one too I see! #ukedchat @Debsgf They do have parents that are more invested in their student's education and probably more of an ethos towards success #ukedchat If you swapped pupils in a state school with those in a private school, would the priv. still come out on top in terms of results? #ukedchat @Debsgf @Coding2Learn shorter terms means to get the guided learning hours in you need Saturdays and it occupies the borders. #ukedchat I think we need to set up some cross-sector visits. This is proving fascinating. #UKedchat Private Schools: state schools can learn you can pay for your child to attend a school which is exempt from National Curriculum. #ukedchat @jillberry102 @Gwenelope @Debsgf #UKedchat Thank you. That would be very interesting in the near future. @hrogerson @mrlockyer Want to visit even more now! #hogwartslike #ukedchat @PaulDSharpe A similar experiment was done in the States, if I can find the link I'll post. #ukedchat @Debsgf Defensiveness? Fear? So highly emotive, it tends to polarise people and collaboration becomes difficult #UKedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat There are lots of complex factors. Many aren't that narrowly selective & many have big numbers of pupils on fee support. @MsFindlater colleagues found an assumption that their experience doesn't necessarily cross over as a
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@PaulDSharpe

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@mrlockyer

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@CaldiesEnglish @HoDTeacher @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @SGSLTDinspire

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@jillberry102 @Debsgf @Coding2Learn

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@urban_teacher @MsFindlater @jillberry102 @Gwenelope @cherrylkd

predictor of future success #ukedchat @Coding2Learn It will be interesting to see whether it's the quality of teaching or the "class" of pupil in the school. #ukedchat @PaulDSharpe Huge number of variables, but cracking question! #ukedchat Recent research found biggest influence was no. of books at home! @Gwenelope @Debsgf Good idea, though. Honesty and collaboration are key in improving ALL teaching #UKedchat @MsFindlater i.e. too 'different', perhaps an assumption that they have had it easy #ukedchat .@Debsgf @coding2learn it's part of the culture, not just about standards or pass rates. Remember some are boarding schools #ukedchat @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope cross sector teach meet. Interesting idea #UKedchat @taralatkinson: @debsgf #ukedchat Classical civilisation and Int Bacc -two successful 'private school' subjects now successfully exported. @MsFindlater @HoDTeacher #ukedchat I've known several people do this successfully but you can't leave it too long - easy to get out of touch Is the curriculum more demanding at private schools? Has anyone worked in both sectors? #ukedchat @PaulDSharpe I believe in the experiment it' teacher's perception of ability. They were told that the 'poor' kids were all gifted #ukedchat .@Debsgf @caldiesenglish Ofsted can stay away thank you - ISI is staffed by currently serving teachers not "pro" inspectors #ukedchat No School is the same, the needs and specialisms varies. However passion, drive and vision is always needed #ukedchat @HoDTeacher I find that sad. Clear prejudice. A good teacher is a good teacher. #UKedchat @MsFindlater @HoDTeacher #ukedchat & have to say in my experience that once in ind sector most people don't WANT to move back. @CaldiesEnglish @Debsgf Quite true. #ukedchat @JamesJMatthews #UKedchat I hope you aren't saying state teachers couldn't see the potential of a child gifted
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@Pekabelo @Debsgf @Jon_Torbitt @HoDTeacher @IaninSheffield @missyip_maths

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@jillberry102

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@MissBex_M

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@SparkyTeaching

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@sarah_extence

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@Jon_Torbitt

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@Debsgf @cherrylkd @MsFindlater

in science. Many could. @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf if we focused on learning rather than progress we'd be doing even better :) #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @CaldiesEnglish can you explain a bit more about how you're inspected? #UKedchat .@Debsgf: I think we need to set up some cross-sector visits. This is proving fascinating. #UKedchat too much ignorance out there! @Debsgf @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope hope to do this next year #ukedchat @mrlockyer Number of books may be correlated, but suspect it's not causal? #ukedchat @Debsgf I know some private and state schools that link up for G&T challenge days and take in turns to host the event #UKedchat .@cherrylkd @jillberry102 @gwenelope @debsgf same here - always happy to host visits / collaborative work #ukedchat @Kezmerrelda #ukedchat I think that in actual fact there are not huge numbers of teachers in ind schools without QTS. Another preconception! @Debsgf @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope I think it would be very interesting to do a cross over #TM #UKedchat Teachers of Britain... If the name Brian Cant means something to you, you might like to read this... >> https://twitter.com/petecant/status/35534184723054592 0 #ukedchat #ukedchat experiences ch. get dramatically impact their ed. I could immerse my child in affluent vocab or work all hrs to pay for their ed .@PaulDSharpe @coding2learn more like it's the impact that the teaching makes. NOTHING to do with social class #ukedchat What about the quality of teachers? Private schools do not need to employ qualified teachers. Academies no longer have to either. #ukedchat @mrlockyer @Gwenelope #UKedchat state schools are more like Waterloo Rd #heavenforbid @mrlockyer @PaulDSharpe #UKedchat language and communication at home is Hugh factor. Families that
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:29:23

@CaldiesEnglish

20:29:10

@jillberry102

20:29:02 20:29 20:28:33 20:28:30

@Jon_Torbitt @HoDTeacher @mrlockyer @Kezmerrelda

20:27:59 20:27:51 20:27:42

@Jon_Torbitt @Coding2Learn @Jon_Torbitt

20:27:39

@MissBex_M

20:27:39 20:27:04 20:27:01

@PaulDSharpe @Debsgf @hrogerson

20:26:51 20:26:50 20:26:39

@Jon_Torbitt @mrlockyer @MsFindlater

discuss develop their children. @Debsgf I would like to know this. Actually really know it, rather than blustering defensively! My instinct is that it varies #UKedchat @Coding2Learn @Debsgf #ukedchat It's when you give up TWO days at the weekend - one for Sat school/sport and Sunday to do schoolwork! @urban_teacher: No School is the same, needs and specialisms vary. However passion, drive and vision is always needed #ukedchat agreed!!! collaborative projects happening at my ind sch: G+T science, sport, SLT, ... #ukedchat @Debsgf Worked in both. More curriculum freedom in Independent but changes must be justified. #ukedchat #UKedchat v interesting discussion. As a parent I can see why people pay for private secondary but not sure why primary, unless bad area? @MsFindlater: @HoDTeacher I find that sad. Clear prejudice. A good teacher is a good teacher. #UKedchat agreed - ridiculous prejudice @Jon_Torbitt @PaulDSharpe I agree. I think the culture in the school is the biggest influence here. #ukedchat @Pekabelo: @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf if focused on learning rather than progress we'd be doing even better :) #UKedchat that's how we do it @deafdotty @CaldiesEnglish #UKedchat yes - I just think of how much progress you could ensure if u only have 10 in a class @Jon_Torbitt @coding2learn You're probably correct. However, it would be an interesting experiment. #ukedchat @mrlockyer what was the difference in facilities, pupil intake and parental support? #UKedchat @Debsgf our senior school is similar. The girls can do Latin in year 9, but so could I at a state school in 93. Maybe more games. #ukedchat @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer @Gwenelope #UKedchat state schools are more like Waterloo Rd #heavenforbid Waterloo Road is idiotic nonsense! @IaninSheffield Saved the report, 112 pages long, but I'm sure that's explored in there! #ukedchat @jillberry102 @HoDTeacher really? I find that a little
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:26:37 20:26:34 20:26:28

@CaldiesEnglish @jillberry102 @Coding2Learn

20:26:17

@andrewwarnerkm s

20:26:11

@mrlockyer

20:26:09

@Debsgf

20:25:49 20:25:44 20:25:29 20:25:29 20:25:23 20:25:10 20:24:56

@Jon_Torbitt @MsFindlater @cherrylkd @Debsgf @jillberry102 @mrlockyer @hrogerson

20:24:52 20:24:32

@Jon_Torbitt @DrDawnie

sad too. Where there is most need, we need the best teachers. #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @urban_teacher Absolutely! It's what I like to believe exists #UKedchat @Debsgf @SalopSkyBlue #ukedchat Not sure it IS that unusual. In the ind schls where I was deputy/head most staff had taught in state sector I'd be interested in knowing per pupil funding in private vs state sector. #ukedchat Latest post: "Approaching Differentiation: the proof is in the pudding". http://andywarner78.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/approa ching-differentiation-the-proof-is-in-the-pudding/ #ukedchat #edchat #engchatuk @MissBex_M @Debsgf @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope Crossover TMs already happen - independent teachers attend TMs too! #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Pekabelo @JamesJMatthews state schools are far too influenced by educational policy & Ofsted? Is that is true? #UKedchat .@CaldiesEnglish @debsgf curriculum is same - we 'do' GCSEs/A Levels. Kids still get qualifications. Less unnecessary hoop jumping #ukedchat @mrlockyer @PaulDSharpe *huge* oops #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @jillberry102 @Gwenelope @Debsgf thank you. It's all about collaborative learning. You're quite right. #UKedchat @hrogerson lots of state schools have a classics dept. I think it's growing considerably. #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @CaldiesEnglish #ukedchat Yes - the peer review system in ind sector inspection is a strength. @Debsgf If quality of teaching is poor, pupils leave, income lost, school closes. Different in state. #ukedchat @Debsgf the only unqualified 'teachers' we employ are sports coaches, but they are qualified coaches:Parents demand high standards #ukedchat .@Debsgf @caldiesenglish receive 2-3d notice. Serving HTs/teachers come in (trained by ISI) and inspect ALL aspects of school #ukedchat @Debsgf Come to this late but think vital to remember that labels can be reductive. Not all indes the same, just
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Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:24:15

@Debsgf

20:24:09 20:24:08 20:24:04 20:23:47

@ukedchat @jillberry102 @cherrylkd @whizzybabes

20:23:47

@Jon_Torbitt

20:23:37 20:23:12 20:23:08

@PaulDSharpe @Kezmerrelda @natkin

20:23:05

@SalopSkyBlue

20:23:03

@CaldiesEnglish

20:22:57 20:22:51 20:22:45 20:22:38 20:22:11

@hrogerson @sarah_extence @Jon_Torbitt @MonstersCanRea d @jackieschneider

as not all states #UKedchat Would you say that state schools are too concerned with playing the league tables game, rather than stick to solid teaching? #UKedchat @jillberry102 @cherrylkd @Gwenelope @Debsgf Kindly use the #ukedchat hash tag, rather than the @ account. Thank you. @sarah_extence #ukedchat I'd say that's often more to do with parental contacts than school contacts. @JamesJMatthews Phew! This debate has huge potential for misinterpretation doesn't it. #UKedchat @Debsgf wish we didn't have to pay for a decent learning experience! However, for our kids it was the right choice to do so #UKedchat .@Debsgf @pekabelo @jamesjmatthews perhaps too much kangaroo management to meet 'initiatives' and pointless % targets for mgmt. #ukedchat @MsFindlater @mrlockyer I was wondering if I'd missed something and thought the Hugh factor was some new grading scale. Haha. #ukedchat #UKedchat Three Act Science - Collaboration? http://wp.me/p386SF-2Q via @natkin #ukedchat #edchat #asechat #sltchat # sci chat #ukedchat I've worked in the private sector for 19 years. In my experience, the vast majority of teachers are qualified. @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf Interesting. Would love to compare like for like. Interested in T&L strategies: any differences, I wonder? #UKedchat @jillberry102 @MsFindlater @HoDTeacher agree, I do extremely long days, but I am thanked by students a dozen times a day. #ukedchat #ukedchat all schools have similar challenges under different policies sharing strengths is always beneficial .@jillberry102 @debsgf @caldiesenglish my annual review had 3 ons and 7hrs of interviews/reflection not including my own! #ukedchat Private vs State Schools debate over on right now #ukedchat Fascinating! Sorry but I find private education morally indefensible. It is divisive when wealthiest choose to educate their kids
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Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:22:04

@Jon_Torbitt

20:21:57 20:21:49 20:21:47

@Debsgf @mrlockyer @SalopSkyBlue

20:21:45

@aknill

20:21:10 20:20:57 20:20:37 20:20:37

@hrogerson @SENConsultancy @Debsgf @Jon_Torbitt

20:20:35

@jillberry102

20:20:25 20:20:22 20:20:17 20:20:17 20:19:59 20:19:54

@Jon_Torbitt @missyip_maths @FrancisPersonae @cherrylkd @jackieschneider @andylutwyche

separately #ukedchat .@MsFindlater @pekabelo @jamesjmatthews @debsgf Learning IS progress but i don't need the class to stop/tell every1 regularly #ukedchat Interesting discussion as to whether state schools are too focused on gov initiatives. Should state schools stick to their guns? #UKedchat @Debsgf Varies from school to school. Just like State. #ukedchat #ukedchat Many teachers in private schools move over from the state sector because of their love of teaching without state education issues @Debsgf @MissBex_M @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope #ukedchat there have been #teachmeet overlap in speakers as at #TMMiltonKeynes inMarch2013. @Coding2Learn have a look at the score report on practical science funding, - a lot more money spends in Indy schools! #ukedchat @Debsgf Independent schools are concerned with league tables just as much as state #ukedchat @aknill @MissBex_M @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope did you see any differences in approach? #UKedchat .@CaldiesEnglish @debsgf one example - English class reading about blackberry picking, so they downed pens and went bb picking! #ukedchat @Debsgf #ukedchat Don't think you can 'force' partnership & mutual respect. Need to find ways of encouraging the mutual respect (both sides) @CaldiesEnglish @debsgf we do a Music/arts/drama week at end of yr to promote creative arts just for the joy of making something #ukedchat @SENConsultancy @Debsgf I agree, they wouldn't get the intake or prestige without it #ukedchat One can learn from ind schools to be daring in intellectually challenging students. A visit can change your assumptions. #UKedchat @JamesJMatthews :)) #UKedchat @Debsgf: Interesting discussion ... Should state schools stick to their guns? #UKedchat >> I thought it was only Eton that had rifles? State and private not comparable but teaching ideas could be shared, just classroom management ideas
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Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:19:44

@ThompRichard

20:19:08

@IaninSheffield

20:18:57 20:18:42

@Jon_Torbitt @SalopSkyBlue

20:18:23

@ICT_MrP

20:18:17 20:18:14 20:18:13

@Coding2Learn @SENConsultancy @Pekabelo

20:18:08

@Debsgf

20:17:59

@Jon_Torbitt

20:17:50

@aknill

20:17:45

@urban_teacher

20:17:41

@Jon_Torbitt

20:17:37

@Pekabelo

couldn't. #UKedchat @Debsgf The threat of Ofsted makes it rather hard for states schools to stick to their guns in some cases, no? #ukedchat Wonder what a student who has crossed from state to ind. or vice versa would have to contribute to this discussion? #ukedchat .@MissBex_M @deafdotty @caldiesenglish can't ensure progress, but higher chance of 1-1 time with pupils #effectiverelationships #ukedchat #ukedchat The demands are there in private schools but they are often very different. Amazed at how quickly my diary is filling up already for next year! Don't be disappointed! Details here http://mrparkinsonict.blogspot.co.uk/p/ipads-acrosscurriculum-training.html #UKedchat @jackieschneider How about Private Healthcare Private homes? Private transport? Not trolling, just where the line is drawn #ukedchat @jackieschneider many children in private school don't come from wealth backgrounds #ukedchat @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf @Jon_Torbitt no but we do have a huge education dept which can stifle pace of development. #UKedchat @ThompRichard maybe they should though? Maybe that's something the sector could learn from the private schools? #UKedchat @MsFindlater @jillberry102 @hodteacher agreed but once had 52 appointments for 117 kids IN ONE YEAR impossible to sustain #state #ukedchat @Debsgf @MissBex_M @CaldiesEnglish @Gwenelope #UKedchat it was more a case of teachers sharing ideas, that's what teachmeets are for. The big issues Is teachers getting complacent in a ever changing educational system. Be a game changer before the game changes you #ukedchat .@Debsgf @pekabelo @jamesjmatthews possibly dangerous to generalise but pressures of failure are too big a worry in state sector #ukedchat @MsFindlater @Jon_Torbitt @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf depends if we're talking 'ofsted progress' or genuine learning taking place! #UKedchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:17:33

@Debsgf

20:17:30

@WhatLeighSays

20:17:25

@whizzybabes

20:17:22 20:17:18 20:17:10

@ThompRichard @PaulDSharpe @SGSLTDinspire

20:16:48

@jackieschneider

20:16:38 20:16:35 20:16:29

@taralatkinson @HoDTeacher @andylutwyche

20:16:17 20:15:58 20:15:56 20:15:48 20:15:43 20:15:38

@Coding2Learn @SalopSkyBlue @Jon_Torbitt @MsFindlater @Debsgf @jackieschneider

This is a fascinating discussion! So little actual collaboration between sectors. Is this class? Prejudice? Media? #UKedchat I'm really enjoying seeing people getting involved in #UKedchat in my feed, as a student who wants to go into teaching. Interesting stuff. @Debsgf @MissBex_M husband ha taught in both sectors - independent schools don't have to include disruptive children ! #bonus #UKedchat @Debsgf Quite possibly they should, though I can understand why stories of forced academisation make schools reticent to do so #UKedchat @Debsgf Disinterest? Fear of the unknown? #ukedchat @Debsgf:Should state schools stick to Govt lines?U tend to find best heads have rogue streak -try +bend the system for pupils #UKedchat @SENConsultancy - guessing kids in private schools aren't generally disabled, from low income families or on FSM? #ukedchat #UKedchat @debsgf Our local public school is very friendly - invitations to events, sharing resources, trainee visits, mock interviews, etc. @Jon_Torbitt @MsFindlater @jillberry102 wow #ukedchat @MsFindlater @jillberry102 @HoDTeacher Can u blame teachers for not wanting to return? Pressure at both, more destructive at state #UKedchat @jackieschneider Does the existence of Private schools affect you. You can teach anywhere. Send your kids anywhere. #ukedchat #UKedchat I have collaborated with state secondary and primary schools on STEM projects in recent years. @Pekabelo @msfindlater @jamesjmatthews @debsgf yeah "have we all progressed?" 5 times an hour is not progress. it's box ticking #ukedchat @Pekabelo @Jon_Torbitt @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf genuine learning all the way. OFSTEDwho? #UKedchat Less behaviour problems, smaller classes, no #ofsted and a strength in their learning foundations, so no constant changes. #UKedchat Has anyone mentioned charity status for private schools? #ukedchat
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Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:15:34

@chrismcd53

20:15:28 20:15:24 20:15:22 20:15:12

@Mat6453 @Pekabelo @jackieschneider @amsammons

20:15:12

@Jon_Torbitt

20:15:06 20:14:53 20:14:52 20:14:51 20:14:50

@SalopSkyBlue @Debsgf @jillberry102 @rapclassroom @jackieschneider

20:14:49 20:14:16 20:14:07

@HoDTeacher @Debsgf @MsFindlater

20:14:01

@farmors4maths

20:13:45

@whizzybabes

Safe searching with Google and YouTube via @TimWoda http://www.safekids.com/2013/07/11/safesearching-with-google/? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter #esafety #ukedchat #ispekeout Using Smore in a variety of ways http://wp.me/p3a7br9e #ukedchat #mlearning #adedu @MsFindlater @Jon_Torbitt @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf :) I know you know! :)) #UKedchat @Coding2Learn - yep. It tells my kids that aren't and will never be part of the elite #ukedchat Any #english teachers have recommendations for a literacy/dept marking policy? Currently reviewing ourssuggestions welcome :) #ukedchat @CaldiesEnglish @debsgf constantly developing T&L is a massive priority - what is best for the child drives that #ukedchat @Debsgf #UKedchat ISI inspections are completed in private schools and regulated by OFSTED. A slightly different emphasis but important. Don't forget to hashtag #UKedchat with your responses! @MsFindlater @HoDTeacher #ukedchat I wouldn't say the best teachers are/stay in the ind sector, Sarah. There are fantastic teachers in both. @jackieschneider: Has anyone mentioned charity status for private schools? #ukedchat They have now! I can't believe that there isn't more shock at the inequality between private schools & state schools. #ukedchat collaboration will have inherent limitations: where ind has flexibility - curriculum, staffing, facilities, state has hands tied #ukedchat @SalopSkyBlue what are the emphasises? #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Pekabelo @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf it is whatever you make it. You and I, along with the students all want to... #UKedchat 1982-2013 Head of Maths #berniegleeson retires after 31 years inspiring love of maths. Have you message for him? #ukedchat @nrichmaths #math @Debsgf personally our children benefit from single sex education - maybe more state single sex schools are needed. #UKedchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:13:45

@Mat6453

20:13:43

@jillberry102

20:13:23

@teechit

20:13:06

@sarah_extence

20:13:02

@ICT_MrP

20:12:54

@Jon_Torbitt

20:12:39

@MsFindlater

20:12:30

@aknill

20:12:26

@HoDTeacher

20:12:19

@Jon_Torbitt

20:12:09 20:12:06 20:12 20:11:53

@Gwenelope @jackieschneider @MsFindlater @YuviLite

Teacher standards and digital innovation. A few ideas to help them along https://www.dropbox.com/s/6c9vyoyh9qno2pt/Teacher %20standards%20and%20Digital%20Innovation.pdf #ukedchat #pegeeks #mLearning @MsFindlater @HoDTeacher #ukedchat And there are needy pupils in ind schools too. Full range of social/emotional issues. @Jon_Torbitt just out of interest- what kind of proportion of pupils are we talking with a significant bursary? #ukedchat #ukedchat the norms and values of private schools (perhaps parents)differ my parents teach if he hits you hit him harder My class were buzzing when I said @alanpeat has a new super sentence book! The 1st made them superheroes http://mrparkinsonict.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/letstudents-be-teachers-part-1.html #ukedchat @missyip_maths @pekabelo @debsgf @jamesjmatthews yeah then focus was something else, now it's something else, next week it'll be #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Pekabelo @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf ...make progress. 'You know who' has made it a dirty word. Lets reclaim it! #UKedchat @Debsgf: This is a fascinating discussion! So little actual collaboration between sectors. Is this class? Prejudice? Media? #UKedchattime? "@jillberry102: #ukedchat I wouldn't say the best teachers are/stay in the ind sector, Sarah. There are fantastic teachers in both." Agreed @teechit More than most believe. Not at liberty to discuss specifics sorry. Indpts are charities. Most neglect to notice that #ukedchat @mrlockyer @MissBex_M @Debsgf @CaldiesEnglish Indeed Stevo, but is it that actually discussed at a TM? #ukedchat Why do parents pay to send their children to a private school? #ukedchat @jillberry102 @HoDTeacher of course, you are right. #UKedchat I got called a sell out from moving to ind from state. I

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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:11:51 20:11:48 20:11:45

@HoDTeacher @DrJessicaHamer @YuviLite

20:11:43

@Jon_Torbitt

20:11:24

@SalopSkyBlue

20:10:56

@mikallaane

20:10:45

@Code_ED

20:10:37

@Jon_Torbitt

20:10:32

@jillberry102

20:10:28 20:10:19 20:10:12

@Jon_Torbitt @Gwenelope @Debsgf

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@SalopSkyBlue

20:09:52

@travelgeordie

think that says it all. #UKedchat "@jillberry102: #ukedchat And there are needy pupils in ind schools too. Full range of social/emotional issues." V much so, pastoral is key There could be more collaboration, but what be the gain for Ind schools? CPD collaboration? #UKedchat I moved due to becoming a new parent and the state sector couldn't give me an increase to provide for my child #UKedchat @WhatLeighSays then help inform some misguided thinking - not everyone at a state school can't afford to go private! #ukedchat #UKedchat Whilst on my main TP, I was appointed to my first job at a private school. Some of the teachers on TP refused to speak to me. @WhatLeighSays Why do you want to go into teaching? #UKedchat Which area primary or secondary? & which sector? State or private? nice to see #UKedchat trending so highly today. If it wasn't for some snake enabled phone with a box brownie on the back it'd be number 1!! .@jackieschneider @senconsultancy more than you would think are. Individual needs are not just for state schools #ukedchat #ukedchat I'm heartened that several people in the debate have admitted to not knowing enough about the other sector - both sides 1/2 @jackieschneider: Has anyone mentioned charity status for private schools? #ukedchat yes - we are a charity, as most are @YuviLite Really?? Thought the 'sell out' thing would be more from state to indie. Who knew? #ukedchat Last ten minutes people. Really surprised at how polarised we are in private or state sectors. How do we move forward together? #UKedchat @jackieschneider #UKedchat I know. You'd think as they'd paid their taxes they'd want to benefit from state education like others do. Hope im not too boring!! Hacking the Curriculum bursary project http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=K21rS2Lo5F0&sns=tw via @youtube #ukedchat #pbl #edchat
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:09:51 20:09:44 20:09:36 20:09:21 20:09:20 20:09:17 20:09:08

@danielharvey9 @SparkyTeaching @jillberry102 @jackieschneider @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @hrogerson

20:09:08 20:08:51 20:08:48 20:08:35

@Coding2Learn @Jon_Torbitt @blondebonce @DrJessicaHamer

20:08:34

@ukedchat

20:08:29

@ABeautifulMind1

20:08:25

@SalopSkyBlue

20:08:21 20:08:20 20:08:18

@jillberry102 @Debsgf @Coding2Learn

@Debsgf @GreenHamstring #UKedchat 2/2 not sure private schools are really taking part in a professional dialogue anywhere that can b heard Try testing all *that*! (see pic) #ukedchat >> pic.twitter.com/0uXjTEu6by #ukedchat Think this is a positive first step. The danger is when we think we know & make sweeping judgements. (There have been a few..) 2/2 I don't think private schools deserve charity status. #ukedchat .@SalopSkyBlue @debsgf ISI inspection is also a rigorous inspection process! #ukedchat Private or state: both sectors inspire and educate. How can we collaborate? How can we link? #UKedchat @jackieschneider I think in Bristol it is because they don't perceive the state schools as nice enough. #rough #ukedchat @jackieschneider I'd have to agree to this one. I don't think Academies should enjoy charitable status either. #ukedchat .@jackieschneider have you been to a North London faith school????? #rich #elitist #ukedchat @Debsgf I think these are important differences + supportive parents. #UKedchat @Debsgf on the other hand there is greater expectation that teachers will run after school clubs/sports etc in ind schools #ukedchat #UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for the community's Thursday night sessions. If you are interested, please get in touch. My children went to a private prep school. I'm a single parent and paid next to nothing. Just negotiate like crazy :) #ukedchat @Debsgf #UKedchat I went to a A Level subject meeting on Monday with teachers from both sectors. This should be encouraged. @jackieschneider @HeyMissSmith #ukedchat I think I felt the same (& about private health too) - until I'd taught in both sectors. @DrJessicaHamer should that be an aspect for state sector too? #UKedchat @teechit @jackieschneider Yep, this is the modern
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Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

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@jackieschneider @SENConsultancy @Kezmerrelda

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@Gwenelope

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@SGSLTDinspire

20:07:52

@KempsterD

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@ThompRichard

20:07:47

@Debsgf

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@Jon_Torbitt @mikallaane @aknill

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@Code_ED

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@sarah_extence @Debsgf @BalfePaula

selection system, and I've played it with my own children. #ukedchat How can it be right to segregate kids by wealth? #ukedchat @jackieschneider If it wasn't for charity status many children wouldnt be able to attend. #ukedchat @jackieschneider Looked at private years ago for ASD son foolishly thinking he wud get more support turned out he wud get none #UKedchat @Debsgf What we are doing now is a good start. #twitter then a #TeachMeet maybe, then cross-sector school visits. #ukedchat @Debsgf:. How do we move forward together?Open up private facilities off peak is a start. Open pupils eyes and teacher shadowing #UKedchat Can private schls transform state ed? http://gu.com/p/3h43d/tw 'state schls in UK outperform private schls by a considerable margin' #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @salopskyblue @debsgf Does ISI have teeth? What would happen if school deemed to be 'inadequate' (hypothetically)? #ukedchat @danielharvey9: @Debsgf really?? Will always be private schools. Do we need to move together?? No real demand for it #UKedchat .@Debsgf progress by losing the preconceptions, bitterness and politicised views. We all just want the best for the kids we teach #ukedchat @DrJessicaHamer @Debsgf this is also the case in some state schools #UKedchat @Gwenelope: @Debsgf What we are doing now is a good start. #twitter then a #TeachMeet maybe, then cross-sector school visits. #ukedchatyes I went to a private school (age 11-15).I don't think I experienced any innovation there at all.Only went for my dyslexia - no help #UKedchat #ukedchat I love learning, As long as the children are the heart of the school I would teach the same way in either public or state @Jon_Torbitt I think you're correct. This #UKedchat has really surprised me! @urban_teacher: No School is the same, the needs and specialisms varies. However passion, drive and
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:07:12 20:06:57 20:06:47 20:06:46 20:06:41 20:06:18 20:06:16

@Coding2Learn @JamesJMatthews @Gwenelope @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf @danielharvey9 @Debsgf

20:06:13 20:06:09 20:06:07

@Jon_Torbitt @ukedchat @SalopSkyBlue

20:05:56 20:05:45 20:05:27 20:05:19 20:05:14

@HoDTeacher @jackieschneider @Gwenelope @SENConsultancy @Jon_Torbitt

20:05:04 20:05:02 20:04:55

@DrDawnie @jillberry102 @Dragonfly_Edu

vision is always needed #ukedchat true #ukedchat It's not about school collaborating, it's about teacher doing it. @CompAtSch is a prime example. All sectors included. @Gwenelope @Debsgf Agreed! Perhaps start here....share practice #ukedchat @Debsgf @DrJessicaHamer It is already in many state schools isn't it? #clubs etc #ukedchat @SalopSkyBlue @debsgf I go to @CompAtSch meetings with 1/3 state, 2/3 ind attendance. NOBODY CARES ABOUT SECTOR #ukedchat @mikallaane @DrJessicaHamer more so now with extended hours #UKedchat @Debsgf #UKedchat if there was a demand there would be more joint sector work. There doesn't seem to be @danielharvey9: @Debsgf #UKedchat if there was a demand there would be more joint sector work. There doesn't seem to be who agrees? .@Kezmerrelda @jackieschneider then you should try schools like ours with dedicated SEN departments and TAs #ukedchat Just 5 minutes of #ukedchat remain. Final thoughts? #UKedchat The thing is with private education is that mostly the children have no choice. As a teacher, it's the children I care about. @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf Well said, the kids don't make the decision, they all need to be taught and looked after #ukedchat I'd love to use the fantastic lavish facilities that private schools have for my class. Any offers? #ukedchat @Debsgf @danielharvey9 No harm in trying..#ukedchat @ABeautifulMind1 Did the same for my son for Primary. Gone to state secondary #ukedchat .@danielharvey9 @debsgf that's because too many people believe the rubbish put out there by the leftist press. Open your eyes ppl #ukedchat @Debsgf Get rid of stereotypes. I've worked in both sectors & think there's great scope for sharing: all same under surface #UKedchat #ukedchat Just a plea for greater understanding on both sides and to be aware of prejudice/false assumptions.... Independent can provide a structure that is conducive to
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:04:50 20:04:50 20:04:22 20:04:17 20:04:08 20:04:07 20:03:56 20:03:56

@jackieschneider @Gwenelope @Debsgf @Kezmerrelda @Pekabelo @DrDawnie @NewsAcademy @jackieschneider

20:03:42

@web20education

20:03:36

@ukedchat

20:03:26 20:03:22 20:02:54

@Jon_Torbitt @jackieschneider @laalpotts

20:02:33

@Jon_Torbitt

20:02:31 20:01:58

@ukedchat @Coding2Learn

seamless transitions. State can be daunting when Yr6 goes to 'big school' #ukedchat @DrDawnie @Debsgf - are we all in this together as Mr Cameron says? #ukedchat @JamesJMatthews @Debsgf Can't hurt can it? #ukedchat So teach meets, cross CPD training,pupils mixing, cross sector planning. Can this make the difference? Or is it too deep rooted? #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @jackieschneider are you talking secondary or younger? #UKedchat @Debsgf @danielharvey9 I have such a core belief that everyone should go to their community school, collaboration is a challenge. #UKedchat @Debsgf We *do* link. Right here. #UKedchat RT @jillberry102: #ukedchat Just a plea for greater understanding on both sides and to be aware of prejudice/false assumptions.... Any private schools got families going out of their minds with worry over the bedroom tax? #ukedchat In case you missed @LucianeCurator shared Top 100 #edtools discovered through #iste13 http://lucianecurator.sharedby.co/share/HbnCQd #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat #sm #UKedchat is getting bigger Join a mini discussion every night on Mon-Sat, plus the usual Thursday night debate. .@Pekabelo @debsgf @danielharvey9 but OUR BELIEFS ARE IRRELEVANT - it's what is best for the individual child that matters #ukedchat Any private schools got kids choosing which day they can afford to buy a school dinner? #ukedchat Using current nat curric for skills & new curric for content in sept '13. What happens in sept '14? Do we still teach skills? #ukedchat .@Kezmerrelda @jackieschneider all ages - we offer SEN support for all children and are a 3-18 school day and boarding school #ukedchat Next week is a #UKedchat #TeachTweet with Digital Leaders with videos from the children. Join next Thursday at 8pm. One minute to go... #ukedchat Any CompSci teachers here should switch
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UKedchat Archive 11th July 2013 Hosted by @Debsgf

Private vs state schools: which sector has more to teach whom? Should there be more collaboration between the two sectors?

20:01:33

@mikallaane

20:01:22

@danielharvey9

20:00:55 20:00:52 20:00:45 20:00:11

@Kezmerrelda @missyip_maths @Debsgf @ukedchat

over to #ComputingHour starting in 1 minute. @jackieschneider I would love my parents to have the same high expectations as the school & truly engage with the schools #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Debsgf so issues of pedagogy development and quality of L and T not sure how they are viewers in private sectors #UKedchat @Jon_Torbitt @danielharvey9 @debsgf would love to do an observation in a ind. school in exchange for one back of course #UKedchat @PhilippaLark @Debsgf they also host Easter revision sessions for GCSE students #ukedchat Miss Yip @missyip_maths 3m It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @Debsgf for hosting tonights #ukedchat. The archive will be at http://ukedchat.com/2013/07/11/session-159/ soon.

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