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RjRb on August 02, 2012 12:47 AM sa seatools yung fix all tapos long, un na po ba ang overall na test? o isa isa sa menu n un?

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Just to be sure, I also used the " badblocks " command of Linux to make sure kung meron o walang problem yung disk. Ang sabi, 0 bad sectors found pa rin. So alin dun sa mga program ang tama? Can I still use this hard drive sa bago kong rig? Ang balak ko lang naman dito is to use it para pag-lagyan ng Windows 7 Home x64. Programs, games, files will be stored in other hard disks.

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dta on December 16, 2012 06:55 PM Almost all modern hard disks (as early as around 10 years ago), have hundreds or possibly a few thousand spare sectors (these are NOT used, unless needed). What the SMART Data is telling you is that the hard disk developed bad sectors during its lifetime, but that they have been "exchanged" with the spare sectors. When you do a disk surface scan, the sector location that has become bad, will now be replaced with the spare sector (this is all done internally by the hard disk mechanism -- as far as I can tell, software will not even known that there's a bad sector, since the "translation" is being done transparently by the hard disk hardware itself). Therefore, the disk surface is still considered GOOD. (the reallocated sector counter should increment by 1 each time a spare sector has been used up). It's only when all the spare sectors have been used up, then the bad sectors will come up (since there's no more spare sector to exchange it with). Or in some rare cases, even though there are still many spare sectors, I've noticed a few times that those bad sectors do not seem to get replaced by the spare sector automatically/transparently (and this can generate a BAD sector). The short answer: Yes, as long as the reallocated sector count does not continue increasing (which may indicate a fast failing hard disk), it should be still good to use. The possible downside of having many reallocated sectors is that instead of contiguous sectors (ie. the sector is adjacent or "side-by-side" to each other, and thus the drive head only needs 1 sweep to read the data from those "magkatabi" na sectors). If you have reallocated sectors within a certain block, then the reallocated sector would be in a different section of the hard disk, and thus the drive head will need to reposition to read that replaced spare sector. So there will be a very slight performance degradation. You can HD Tune's Surface Scan (do not use the drive while the Surface Scan is in progress) and then after it completes the test. Click the Speed Map button -- if you notice red (= slow) marks, then most likely those are the places on the hard disk that have replaced/reallocated sectors. Note that you can also use the computer while running the hard disk, but in this case, the Speed Map will show incorrect information, since while you're using the computer, the scanning speed will of course be inaccurate since it's also accessing the data you're trying to read with the programs you're using, and the HD Tune surface scan function. Otherwise, if you just need to find out if there are bad sectors, you may run HD Tune's Surface Scan test and still simultaneously use the computer. (the Speed Map button will show incorrect info though).

Su30FlankerC on December 17, 2012 04:47 PM Active Want to Buys When you do a disk surface scan, the sector location that has become bad, will now be replaced with the spare sector (this is all done internally by the hard disk mechanism -- as far as I can tell, software will not even known that there's a bad sector, since the "translation" is being done transparently by the hard disk hardware itself). Therefore, the disk surface is still considered GOOD. (the reallocated sector counter should increment by 1 each time a spare sector has been used up). asus gtx 570ti 580ti or 7850/7870 OC Ed PHP 12000.00, 12 Posts looking for RMA service for my inno3D gt430 PHP 300.00, 12 Posts am3+/am3 motherboard w/4gb ram ddr3 and processor PHP 5000.00, 12 Posts defective/scrap motherboard and computer scraps (meet agad) PHP 130.00, 1 Posts CORE i3 socket 1155, 2nd gen or 3rd gen PHP 20000.00, 2 Posts no unnecessary remarks but be concise on your title. PHP 4.00, 1 Posts 2pcs Kingston 1Gb DDR400 for desktop memory PHP 600.00, 12 Posts Asus P5PE mobo w/ pro&hsf w/ 2GB Kingston mem PHP 1000.00, 1 Posts Ps2 Fat or Slim buy ko 2000po badyet ko PHP 2000.00, 10 Posts BUYING Processor AM2 Dualcore Athlon64 X2 4800+ 2.5ghz or up PHP 500.00, 2 Posts

Ah kaya naman pala walang nakitang problema. Naitago na sa OS before hand.

The short answer: Yes, as long as the reallocated sector count does not continue increasing (which may indicate a fast failing hard disk), it should be still good to use.

That's a relief. Sayang din naman kasi ito. I noticed kasi with this rig I am using now na mas OK pag hiwalay na drive ang OS sa programs, sa files. Therefore anything na matutunan ko dito sa test rig ko, gagamitin ko sa gaming rig ko.

You can HD Tune's Surface Scan (do not use the drive while the Surface Scan is in progress) and then after it completes the test. Click the Speed Map button -- if you notice red (= slow) marks, then most likely those are the places on the hard disk that have replaced/reallocated sectors.

Di ako sure if I did as you said correctly pero here is the result.

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HDTune Error Scan WDC WD800BD-00MRA1 All seems OK with this drive. Di naman ginagamit ang drive as a system disk so no worries as regards sa accuracy. Anyway salamat ng marami sa info na ito. It really helped me a lot as to deciding on what to do with the disk. -- edited by Su30FlankerC on Dec 17 2012, 04:56 PM

dta on December 17, 2012 06:47 PM Su30flankerC, use HD Tune 4.61 or the latest HDTune Pro v5.00 and run the Surface Scan (without using any other programs in the background). After the Surface Scan is done, click the SpeedMap button. For comparison, check page 1 of this message thread. In the message I posted on Jan 5, 2012, I noted the Surface Scan and SpeedMap of a hard drive that has lots of reallocated sectors. The Surface Scan shows 0 bad sectors, but the SpeedMap seems to tell a somewhat different story (many bad sectors that have been reallocated into spare good sectors, but slowing drive performance if using those "reallocated sectors") (the case I posted above is somewhat extreme, kasi it has 4094 reallocated sectors, then increased to 4095 reallocated sectors. Yet 0 bad sectors pa rin. Pero sobrang bagal na when using the first half of the hard disk since there were simply too many reallocated sectors. I partitioned that hard disk into 2 parts, and installed Windows on the 2nd partition, which worked without any problems, apart from regularly bugging me that the drive is failing (SMART test fails due to excessively high reallocated sector count. A relatively low reallocated sector count [I have another drive that has about 200 reallocated sectors -- but SMART still passes] -- edited by dta on Dec 17 2012, 07:00 PM

Su30FlankerC on December 17, 2012 11:14 PM I did as you recommended. Ito mga results.

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As expected walang problema sa surface scan w/c is a good news for me. Pero nung ginawa ko yung sinabi mo na " SpeedMap, " ayun, nag-iba ang report.

Kung papansinin mo meron syang dilaw na isang piraso. Ano ibig sabihin nito? Hindi naman pula. Something in between?

Su30FlankerC on December 17, 2012 11:19 PM May isa pa akong problemang hard disk eh. Ito bagong bili lang at di pa nagagamit ng talaga. Hitachi 500GB

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Sabi ng SMART, " Current Pending Errors Count" & " Uncorrectable Errors Count" naman ang problema. Maayos ba ito?

dta on December 17, 2012 11:48 PM

Kung papansinin mo meron syang dilaw na isang piraso. Ano ibig sabihin nito? Hindi naman pula. Something in between?

Congratulations, you found where the "reallocated sector" is located -- it's nearer the front part of the disk. (the OS doesn't even know where the reallocated sector is located, but by using benchmarking performance data, we could guess where there formerly was the bad sector, that got replaced by the spare sector. The "yellow" means that that block of sector/s were slightly slower than the adjacent blocks. Normally, blocks from the same portion of the hard disk will be simiilar speed (when doing a benchmark, there's a gradual slowdown from the beginning portion of the hard disk to the end of the hard disk. But in this case, the speed data points that there was a very slight slowdown (if red, then it's a big slowdown accessing that portion) -- and this may likely be due to the reallocated sector (the spare sector is probably not located in the same location as the former bad sector, and requires a drive head seek operation to position and read the replacement sector)

Pero teka, is that drive connected natively to the SATA port? Kasi your speed seems slow (around 27Mb/s) -- this seems to just be the speed of a USB 2.0 connection... In that case, it could be the USB 2.0 connection limiting the hard disk speed, and not really the "reallocated sector"slowdown. the SpeedMap function will be more accurate only when the hard drive is connected to a connection that allowed it to run its fastest (so that any slowdown in the surface scan test points to the reallocated sector, rather than some bottleneck in the hard disk controller...)

muffy on December 18, 2012 12:42 AM - USER IS ONLINE bossing i guess its time to replace it na... 80gb :)

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when you the sign don't ignore it na... i recently lost a 200gb ide seagate barracuda...before it happened it didn't show any sign...then one day KABOOM... too bad no backup then... :( pag bumaba pa ng husto ang mga 1tb baka kumuha din ako :)

Dmond_27 on December 18, 2012 12:53 AM boom ako nayari ang 1 tera na samsung ko kagabi.. bad sectors sa 1st 5 blocks sa hdtune...kaya pala nag eerror checking ang windows ko pag start up the last 3 days... nag hang na lng bigla kagabi then pag restart ko. wala na undetected at hang na ang pc ko sa startup pa lng ng post bios.. dinala ko na sa distro..hopefully sana ma replace within the week. sad that my important documents di ko na save.

muffy on December 18, 2012 12:58 AM - USER IS ONLINE ang problem kase sa mga 1tb eh ang hirap mag backup nun! imagine i have a 250gb now... it will take 50 dvds 4gb each to burn them all =P pag nilagay mo naman sa portable, mabagsak lang...bagsak lahat !!! lolz hehehe para sa akin ang main cause ng pagkasira ng hardisk ay: 1.) walang cooler(akalain mong kahit ung 100 na cooler sa cdrking ay ok na) 2.) biglang papatayin ang pc yan! dedo talaga disk nyan hehehe :)

Su30FlankerC on December 18, 2012 01:38 AM @dta: hehehe oo nga malamang yan nga yung bad sector =D

Pero teka, is that drive connected natively to the SATA port? Kasi your speed seems slow (around 27Mb/s) -- this seems to just be the speed of a USB 2.0 connection... In that case, it could be the USB 2.0 connection limiting the hard disk speed, and not really the "reallocated sector"slowdown.

Tama po kayo, USB2.0 connection lang yung HDD na ito. Kasi I was using my sister's laptop to do the HD Tune test. Linux kasi yung OS ng MaQboard rig ko eh so I have no way to use the program other than to install it in my sis' laptop.

In that case, it could be the USB 2.0 connection limiting the hard disk speed, and not really the "reallocated sector"slowdown. the SpeedMap function will be more accurate only when the hard drive is connected to a connection that allowed it to run its fastest (so that any slowdown in the surface scan test points to the reallocated sector, rather than some bottleneck in the hard disk controller...)

May possibility pa pala na hindi sa drive yung slowdown itself. =D This could be a good news. Nevertheless at least alam ko na saan more or less ang problem. @muffy: bossing i guess its time to replace it na... 80gb :)

Hehehe medyo luma na nga. Pero ang balak ko lang naman dito eh pag-lagyan ng OS. Windows 7 lang. No apps, no files, etc... Parang ganito setup: WD 80GB: Windows 7 Home x64 WD 250GB: Qubes Linux OS HItachi 500GB: Applications + Files WD Grn 1.5TB: Open Suse Linux WD Red 1.0TB: Files + Game Disc images May maganda kasi akong nakita kapag hiwahiwalay ang OS sa applications & files. Pero I am also seriously considering replacing that 80GB HDD with an SSD of the same or more or less capacity.

when you the sign don't ignore it na... i recently lost a 200gb ide seagate barracuda...before it happened it didn't show any sign...then one day KABOOM... too bad no backup then... :(

=D Nangyari na sa akin ito a few days ago. Yung 40GB Samsung ko na PATA pa eh bagla na lang na-dedo. Kaput!!! After 7 years of serving me it simply stopped working. Nevertheless OK lang for me kasi yung files ko, nasa ibang HDD. Yung applications, andito pa rin sa ibang HDD. Na image ko naman yung Windows bago ito nasira pero syempre any thing na dinagdag after the image wala na. Ang isa pa wala na ako mapaglalagyan ng Windows dahil lahat ng HDD dito sa current desktop ko may kanya-kanyang assignments na. Besides mas OK nga performance ng PC ko compared kung naka Windows. Binubuksan ko lang naman ang Windows pag nag-lalaro ako.

Su30FlankerC on December 18, 2012 01:47 AM

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@muffy: imagine i have a 250gb now... it will take 50 dvds 4gb each to burn them all =P

Ay may recommendation ako sir. Use those dual layer DVDs which double the capacity of the standard DVD - 8.5GB. Mas kokonte by half. Tapos gamitin mo yung CDBurnerXP - Libre lang ito at may capability for disc spanning. Sya na ang bahala pano nya ilalagay ang files mo depende sa settings mo. So tuloy-tuloy ang burn hanggang makumpleto mo ang proseso. Otherwise, you can opt for Blu-ray writers that have the capacity of 25-50GB per disc. At mura na ang blank. 200 na lang sa CD-R king. Yung writer around ~6K++.

pag nilagay mo naman sa portable, mabagsak lang...bagsak lahat !!! lolz hehehe

On a personal note, never ako nag-recommend ng portable HDD.

muffy on December 18, 2012 01:59 AM - USER IS ONLINE @Su30FlankerC dual layer is 40 pesos right? haizz kamahal pa rin :( anyway thanks master! :) kaya ako may mga level ako ng backups 1. pc 2. dvdr 3. yahoo / gmail accounts / skydrive 4. disaster recovery disk (1 disk containing very important files only) - nakatago sa province sa bahay ng parents ni kumander hehehe ;) 100 miles away from home :)

dta on December 18, 2012 02:41 AM

Use those dual layer DVDs which double the capacity of the standard DVD - 8.5GB.

Some reasons I haven't been using dual-layer blank DVDs are: a) price: you can buy more than 2 blank DVD+/-R for the price of 1 blank DVD+/-R DL (so the dual-layer DVD has a worse cost-storage ratio b) burning to dual-layer DVDs is slow. It could take about 3 times the amount of time to burn a dual-layer DVD in terms of time-capacity ratio. (dual layer DVDs are usually rated at up to 8X, but some DVD writers cannot seem to reliably write at that speed. Dual-layer DVD writing speed looks like this (this is at "8X" writing speed"

whereas burning to DVD+/-R speed looks like this (faster) (this is a graph of 16X writing speed)

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Thus if we average the time, burning an "8X" dual-layer DVD is maybe around "5-6X" speed, while burning a "16X" single-layer DVD is average around "11-12X" speed. Or approximately twice as fast if the same capacity. -- edited by dta on Dec 18 2012, 02:44 AM

Su30FlankerC on December 18, 2012 06:31 PM @muffy: dual layer is 40 pesos right? haizz kamahal pa rin :(

Sir may nabibili ako 20 lang. Arita ang brand from the same store. light green yung kulay ng disc. 4. disaster recovery disk (1 disk containing very important files only) - nakatago sa province sa bahay ng parents ni kumander hehehe ;) 100 miles away from home

May fortress. =))) @dta: Tama kayo sir. Mas mahal pa rin at talo ka sa speed ng pag-burn sa DVD+R. In my case lang kasi, I already put into consideration yung dami ng DVD na magagamit ko. Ang dami ko na kasing disc CD/DVD since I started burning back-ups way back in the late 90s. Pati mga files ko in floppies nailipat ko na sa discs. I'm already considering Blu-ray para ma-i-migrate ko na sa mas malaking storage pero wala pa ako budget for that. Gaya nga ng nabanggit ko yung 40GB ko na Windows HDD na-deads na & I may have to buy a new HDD to replace that. By the way, I found a brand new 250GB IDE drive na kailangan ko. 250GB made by Maxtor w/c has a full 1yr warranty courtesy of Seagate. 4200 ang price pero I think worth it kasi IDE na lang yung maikakabit ko dito sa MaQboard PC ko. All SATA ports have been occupied by their respective HDDs.

muffy on December 18, 2012 06:40 PM - USER IS ONLINE 4200 for 250gb? nakow boss lugi masyado yan...katumbas na ng 2TB sata yan ah :( i think that is impractical na po...get a 2nd hand IDE na lang...i think meron dito 160gb ide mga 700 or 1k lang...that is complete waste of money boss...imo po

muffy on December 18, 2012 06:48 PM - USER IS ONLINE ako meron ditong mga 20 x 100 discs each dito na spindle ng dvdrs... im planning to get 2TB tapos lahat ng essential lang kukunin ko..tapos destroy ko na rest ng files...nakatambak lang eh...no need naman na...siguro ill get yung kailangan ko na lang talaga...nagmumukha ng museum itong kwarto ko hehehe

dta on December 18, 2012 08:09 PM

Sir may nabibili ako 20 lang. Arita ang brand from the same store. light green yung kulay ng disc.

Just my experience, medyo mapili kasi yung DVD-writer ko siguro, if I buy the cheaper DVD+/-R DL discs, marami yung di mababasa ng maayos.. (they burn alright, but then you find out that reading some of the files are unreadable, and sometimes pumipili rin sa ibang DVD drives), unlike single-layer DVDs which seem to be more "compatible". Mahirap din kasi if your backup is not readable... or can only be read by the writer than burned that copy.

250GB made by Maxtor w/c has a full 1yr warranty courtesy of Seagate. 4200 ang price pero

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Just like what muffy said, I feel that's too expensive. Perhaps need to rethink your strategy on what you really want to do..

Davidx23 on December 19, 2012 09:33 AM I've used dual layer disk before and mas madami yung failed writes nya compare sa single layer disk, tapos nandun pa yung time na file management kasi gusto kong ipag-kasya yung mga files ko in 1 disk as much as possible, tapos kailangan ko pang i-label, tapos kailangan mu dapat i-test kung maayos ba yung pagka-record, ang trabaho. Lalo na ngaun nasa 5 or 6 terrabytes na yung mga files ko. Kaya ang gagawin ko this xmas break hard disk backup na lang para madali. Kapag may changes sa master copy naka auto update ang backup copy. Btw, this is not raid as the primary and backup sit on two different host.

Su30FlankerC on December 19, 2012 10:44 AM

nakow boss lugi masyado yan...katumbas na ng 2TB sata yan ah :( i think that is impractical na po...get a 2nd hand IDE na lang...i think meron dito 160gb ide mga 700 or 1k lang...that is complete waste of money boss...imo po Just like what muffy said, I feel that's too expensive. Perhaps need to rethink your strategy on what you really want to do..

Tama mga sir mahal nga. Kaso di ko talaga practice bumili ng 2nd hand electronics. Alam naman natin na ang mga ganitong bagay eh grabe kung mag-degrade. However, kung may mahingi or mahiram man lang ako sa GF ko ng extra HDD eh pwede. :-) Lahat ng 2nd hand stuff ko dito kasi bigay o hingi lang. Talagang tipid diba. Bahala na. as of now full functionality naman ang PC using my Linux OSes. Ginagamit ko lang naman ang Windows to test my games kung magkakaproblema eh. Otherwise wala na.

Lalo na ngaun nasa 5 or 6 terrabytes na yung mga files ko.

Di pa naman ganito level ng dami ng files ko. =D Ang dami ah. Hulaan ko lang. mostly multimedia siguro ito. Anyway salamat ulit sa mga info lalo na about sa bad sectors.

Su30FlankerC on January 04, 2013 03:43 AM It's really quite amazing how durable they built computer parts back then. This Seagate ST351A/X for example is still functional despite being more than 20 years old.

<click here for link> No bad sectors yet. Of course this will no longer have any useful storage capacity since it is a mere 43MB HDD but it still serves well as a boot disk for Linux operating systems. -- edited by Su30FlankerC on Jan 05 2013, 01:21 AM

dta on January 05, 2013 12:24 AM Su30Flanker, gamit mo pa yung 43Mb IDE hard drive? Galing!!!

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I also mentioned my 20-year old 212Mb IDE hard drive (bought in 1992 for our 80286-12mhz or the 80486DX-33mhz PC) in this thread (with pictures of the drive): <click here for link> It's still working when I tested said drive a few months ago. Benchmark testing takes too long (yung HD Tune Random Access test took maybe an hour to complete). ==> screenshot taken at 1:15pm

screenshot taken at 1:36pm

finally the benchmark was completed at 2:14pm (more than an hour later)

Su30FlankerC on January 05, 2013 01:27 AM @dta: Yup gumagana pa po sya. At currently being used as a boot disk for my Linux PC. Nakalagay sya sa mobile rack so pwede ko tanggalin at itago para walang makagamit ng PC. :)) Kidding aside, sana magtagal ito kasi boot disk na lang naman ang function nya. The hard disks that this initializes are 250GB, 500GB, & 1TB SATA drives. I also tested this using Linux's own benchmark tools pero sabi "Cannot Benchmark" daw "HDD too slow." :)) Hindi naman

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nakapagtataka kasi this still has an XT mode. Malamang ang speed nito eh between ng XT & AT standards.

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