A.C.C.A.D.D. Advisory Council for Curriculum Alignment in Drafting Meeting April 12, 2013, 4:00 p.m.

MINUTES High School Instructors Present: Javier Rincon (Santa Teresa High School), John Tapia (Arrowhead Park Early College High School), J.D. Welch (Centennial High School) Absent: Joe Gallegos (Deming High School), Bruce Newberry (Las Montaas High School), High School Principles Present: Michael Montoya (Centennial High School) Absent: Jennifer Amis (Arrowhead Park Early College High School), David Day (Oate High School), Jo Beth Hawk (Mayfield High School), Jed Hendee (Las Cruces High School), Joy Walkey (San Andres High School) Las Cruces Public Schools Staff Absent: Stephanie Muir (Dual Credit Liaison, Career & Technical Education/EXCEL) Las Cruces Public Schools Administrators Absent: Stan Rounds (Superintendent, Las Cruces Public Schools), Dr. Steven Sanchez (Associate Superintendent for Learning, Teaching & Research) Las Cruces Public Schools Board of Education Members Present: Chuck Davis (Secretary) Absent: Dr. Connie Phillips (President), Maria A. Flores (Vice President), Barbara Hall (Member), Dr. Bonnie Votaw (Member) Architectural Technology Advisory Council Members Present: David Clarke (Senior Architect, Williams Design Group), Gary Yabumoto (Principal, ASA Architects) Absent: Gary Williams (Project Principal, Williams Design Group) New Mexico State University Present: Sonya Cooper (Associate Dean, College of Engineering) Absent: Kenny Stevens (Associate Professor, Civil Engineering Technology) Doa Ana Community College Members: Rebecca Kongs (Interim Division Dean, Technical & Industrial Studies), Matt Byrnes (Department Chair, Digital Imaging & Design Technology), Luis Rios (Professor, Drafting & Design Technologies), Chipper Moore (Professor, Drafting & Design Technologies), Eugene Hernandez (Assistant Professor, Drafting & Design Technologies), Kim Zieske (General Administrative Assistant, Digital Imaging & Design Technology) Absent: Dr. Margie Huerta (President), Dr. John Walker (Interim Vice President for Academic Affairs), Becky Ordunez (Director, Dual Credit Program), Julia Kirton (Instructor, Drafting & Design Technologies), Noe Rodriguez (CC Lab Technician, Instruction, Drafting & Design Technologies), Lamaia Vaughn (Assistant Professor, Creative Media Technology)

1. Welcome
Members enjoyed dinner catered from Robertos Restaurant and introduced each other. Members were thanked for their participation; greatly appreciated. Briefly explained why so important to have this meeting. Have had strong relations with high schools (drafting programs and teachers). Been able to develop articulation courses where students can take courses in high school that count toward DACC credit courses through articulation agreements. Work very closely with Dr. Sonya Cooper of NMSU College of Engineering. Been able to work with her in transferring our students into their college. There are other transfer opportunities for them to UNM and Texas Tech. The point in past years getting together with high school drafting instructors is to share what we are doing, hear feedback, and make sure we are in line with what we are teaching and that it works. In couple of past years, lost a few high school drafting programs, either suspended temporarily or done away with; therefore, an A.C.C.A.D.D. meeting was not held last year. Changes made since then. This meeting is so important for sharing with members whats happening and the opportunities generating. Maybe expand a bit. Want members feedback in order to strengthen and go forward and to build upon that. Received great feedback from our last Architectural Technology Advisory Council Meeting (February 22, 2013) also from other advisory councils. Committed to students in offering the very best option for their pursuing career path in architecture and engineering. Want to achieve that goal in seeing as many students go on to become professionals. High school instructors share that commitment.

2. Verify/Update Contact Information and Attendance

Members were asked to fill out an update form for their contact information and to sign their name on roster to record their attendance.

3. High School Drafting Program Updates

Requested members to give an update of their high school drafting program. J.D. Welch (new Centennial High School) gave an update. Have modest beginnings. Dont yet have a full population of students. Expect more students and transfers next year also coming up from the middle schools. Expect stronger numbers. Having greater interest. Working with DACC to have dual credit on campus starting with one class next year. John Tapia (Arrowhead Park Early College High School) currently teaching one section of DRFT 108 and 109. Will be teaching DRFT 151 this summer. Has somewhat small numbers. Is a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) school. Trying to put more students into engineering and drafting. Have one college engineering student in class this semester. Have a Mayfield High School student in a class. Javier Rincon (Santa Teresa High Schoolreplaced Bill Buckley) explained they are struggling with funding; books are outdated; have to fight for software updates with Project Lead the Way. Have basic needs. Trying to build up program. Currently having to work around some building upgrades/administrative shifting around (administration and classrooms). This will help filter visitors. Mayfield High School has one dual credit DACC course scheduled this fall. Have not had classes at Las Cruces High School and Oate High School. Currently not sure if there are drafting opportunities there. Desire to return there. Students are successful when we teach our classes at the high schools. Has fallen out of favor a little recently versus getting the high school students over to DACC. It helps having our presence there. Been a difficulty there. Better sending instructor there, granted they dont experience college campus. We had success; had more students transfer. They had good experience.

4. DACC Architecture Program Update

Members referred to the Architecture Curriculum Degree Plan. Luis Rios explained the history of the program. Began approximately ten years ago with help from the local chapter of the AIA and the Pre-Architecture Advisory Council members. Intended to give student opportunities to complete two years here, then transfer to four-year college architecture program. Have articulation with Texas Tech and UNM. Have strong relationship with them. Want to continue seeing students transfer as well as with other schools. Forty courses transfer over. In the past, had a few architecture courses at Oate and Mayfield High School. Small classes right now. Want to extend that transfer to the high schools again. Javier Rincon commented that A.C.E. is a strong program. He taught architecture and design at Valverde. Texas Tech was across the hall. They dont mix; dont get validation. He heard at the first meeting. The curricula at DACC is accepted at Texas Tech. One thing that he is doing with his students is telling them should earn their AAS because they can get 100% of credits transferred to Texas Tech, NMSU, and UNM. Can save a lot of money and be in a college environment. We want to see this connection with a university and that stepping stone to get there. This makes our students successful; have seen it firsthand. We get a lot of students that dont want to go to a university; reasonsnot ready, academic. We want to give them some skills and a background to be prepared. Thats our goal. a. Summer Architecture Camp Luis Rios explained what its about. Trying to bring awareness to the youth by offering this opportunity. Middle and high school students participate to gain experience in the world of architecture. It is a two-week camp taking place in July. Luis coordinates the whole event getting support from the local chapter of AIA. Bring in professionals from AIA to teach the students. The students walk out with new skills in software, drawing, model building, then present their projects to be judged by local architects. Its a great experience for them; they enjoy it and learn to work as a team. b. Architecture, Engineering and Construction (A.C.E.) Trying to bring awareness about A.C.E. to the youth by offering this opportunity. Primarily for juniors and seniors. Is a national effort to bring awareness to youth. Offered it three times. Volunteer students participate in it after school once a week. Students participate in field trips to architecture firms, exercises, and workshops. It is hand-on learning with some lecture. The idea is to make sure that the program here at DACC addresses occupation outlook of the field of architecture, engineering, and construction. Chipper Moore and Luis Rios share this with their programs. There are similarities. Been improvement in the last few years. For this reason, want to continue pursuing this event. Last year, had conflict with scheduling. Typically it is held in September. A lot of participation in the fall, but it died out. Possibly may have to change it to spring to help that out. The best time it was held was in the fall on a national level. Will be coordinating it this summer. Chipper referred members to internet link to Architecture Camp. Members can contact DACC faculty for the link to it and to the A.C.E. Will stay in touch.

5. DACC Drafting Program Update

a. Updated Degree Plans and Certificates Referred members to the degree plans for the multiple options for which students can choose from. Have been updated with some changes; currently in draft mode to resolve and finalize.

These represent our response to changes in fields of architecture and engineering. From the feedback of our Architectural Tech Advisory Council, try to be very responsive to industry and employers so that we can give our students the best options possible. There are more options where students can specialize a little more than in the past. One of the big things we are up against is to change the perception and understanding of drafting. Its not all about paper, pencil, t-squares, and table. We have come a long way. There needs to be a change in our name. Members gave suggestions (modeling, animation, design). Drafting has a connotation to it. Drafting is rapidly changing all the time. We find that we are always behind (software changes, skills to add, etc.); this is brought up each year at our advisory council meetings. Its a rapidly changing field and highly technical which is tied to engineering and architecture. Want to make sure--with help from members--that we can help parents and community understand this. We dont train people to go out and work as a drafter for a lifetime anymore. We train them as a technician, someone with skills that can contribute to this process of engineering, architecture, and construction. But now we bring a lot more to the table. Our tool boxes are more full than those traditional old drafting instruments which are no longer functional. Goes beyond just CAD. Heard the acronym, BIM (building, information, modeling). It is not just two-dimensional CAD, its three-dimensional. It is modeling buildings in their entire structure and their content and everything that goes inside them. Also, it is interdisciplinary, you are not doing just one thing, you are doing building code, construction, structural parts and pieces of buildings, and terminology. The same with civil and mechanical areas. More than just discipline. Finally, it is a gateway to technical professions. Thats what we want to talk about today. Want members feedback on how we can get this across to the world. May be changing the name is a big part of it. We have met with high school students, instructors, administrators. When we did, reacted that they did not know what we offer at DACC. Not long after, student said counselor said we didnt have it. Have parents concerned whether our students can progress to engineering or architecture. What we want to tell them is just the opposite happening. Its a gateway to technical professions like architecture, engineering, surveying, construction management (down the road) and other things. It is critical we share this with you. Get parents involved. Show them the pathway and benefit. Gets their kids involved. Eugene Hernandez pointed this out; got to be careful about not completely going away from the name (drafting). In addition to all the design and modeling, we are giving instructions in order for something to be built. Here is where your text size/fonts are. If we kinda get rid of the word drafting, that goes away with it. For instance, these younger students that are accustomed to using text phrases (in English classes), that may happen in their plans (inconsistent fonts, text types). Therefore that implementation of drafting needs to be applied. Luis Rios pointed this out; several years ago we changed program name to Drafting and Design Technologies. Within the program are all the degree options (Pre-Architecture, Architectural Technology, Civil/Survey Technology, Mechanical Drafting and Solid Modeling, Drafting and Graphics Technology, Geographical Information Systems). Some individual courses have drafting tied to them (DRFT 108/Drafting Concepts/Descriptive Geometry, DRFT 143/Survey Drafting Fundamentals). Where we teach BIM, its called Building Information Modeling; teach codes, its called codes same with estimating. The word is in the name of the program because it encompasses civil and mechanical drafting and architectural. Is that inappropriate, or is that fine?

BIM will become more and more of our program, and industry requires it more. We have appropriately created the courses and created the content within our courses. Need to look at the job titles that appear in the Department of Labor link. It was sent to all members. How do they appear. Think we have done a good job in creating and renaming our courses. Also job titles are changing in industry. If go to Monster.com and type in Revit, will bring up Revit Drafter, Revit Designer. In the Ukraine, countdown to BIM. Transition happens quickly. Same with Civil 3D. Countdown began in year 2004 set for transition to 2009, went from Land Development Desktop and quickly switched to the Civil 3D package. Now Land Development Desktop is not supported. Members were shown a graphic of all the myriad of things. It isnt just producing blueprints, construction documents, drawings. There are all these phases of a building (beginning to ending phases), and each area has a job title with it. Whats 5-D construction; 4-D is the real time, 5-D is the cost estimating, and 6-D is the life-cycle analysis. Pointed out to the GIS track on the Civil/Survey Technology degree plan. Look at all the things that can be done that are related to land development, planning. There are many possibilities to pursue going into engineering and architecture. Not just teaching a limited number of things, we are opening doors and possibilities that we cant imagine to our students. Members were briefly introduced to the updated degree plans (Associate and Certificate). We have gone through these extensively and tried to increase the opportunities for the students who get involved in these programs so they have more opportunities to choose areas of specialization. Our goal as faculty advisors is that the student is going to go further. Want them to have that benefit. b. Other Things We are Working on Trying to increase our independent certifications that are students are able to qualify for or that our students are able to receive when they go through our program. There is a push for this to happen in education, for students to not only leave with a diploma, certificate, degree, but that they have an independent certification from outside. Some opportunities right now are Career Readiness Certification; this is required for them to graduate (CRC gold level or better depends on what degree pursuing). Autodesk Certification for particular software at both the certified and professional level. ADDA certifies our curriculum. Now can offer independent tests in specific disciplines. Also working towards preparing our students to do LEED Green Associate Credentialing testing (sustainability and green building is becoming necessary in the industry). Working on a different Safety Training Certification since OSHA made some changes to its rules. Trying to offer students as many opportunities to come to DACC and leave with certifications from different groups. That is important to us. It validates what we are doing. These certifications will make our students more valuable and better prepared.

6. Course Articulation and Dual-Credit Courses

Our program was one of the first to offer dual credit courses on the HS campus and the first to take our certificates and squeeze them down to a lower number of credits so that the student could complete certificate while in HS. Has been a commitment for a long time. Eugene Hernandez will be passing out information he is proposing. We have student-friendly certificates for DC students in several areas (15-29 credits). Tried to balance meeting the needs of DC students so they can see some completion rate with these certificates while keeping them viable for the workforce. Pointing to the General Drafting & Graphics Certificate. It incorporates two HS courses (DRFT 108, 109).

Example, J.D. Welch teaches a technical drafting course that is articulated to be our DRFT 108 (Drafting Concepts/Descriptive Geometry). Also teaches an introduction to CAD class that is articulated with our DRFT 109 (Computer Drafting Fundamentals). It is possible that a student at Centennial HS could complete his courses that count on the General Drafting & Graphics Certificate leaving ten credits left to earn a Certificate of Completion. They would take DRFT 101 (Intro to Drafting and Design Technologies), 151 (Construction Principles and Print Reading), then two elective courses within our program. Want the student to achieve a Certificate as quickly as possible so they can tack it on the wall and feel like they have made progress and go on. John Tapia asked if Project lead the Way courses were being credited to students in DRFT program. Rebecca Kongs answered saying, know we were going to use the Project Lead the Way courses that werent dual credit. Sonya Cooper indicated that there was still some work to do regarding the engineering 101 and 102 courses. Eugene passed out path plan for Centennial HS to illustrate that the student can start in 9 th grade. DC cannot start in 9th grade, but nevertheless they can start scheduling themselves to get prepared by the time they are able to take DC courses, they are already set up to take two DC courses per semester. Can be done. By time they finish 12 th grade and graduate, it may be this component that they are reaching in Civil Engineering or Surveying Technology or the General one; they will leave HS with employable skills. Therefore, when they go to NMSU they can get training for seeking Bachelor Degree. Went to Centennial HS last week and had response from parents asking about this. By showing them what can be accomplished grade per grade is working. Need to illustrate this to them so they can see it being completed by the 12th grade. Matt Byrnes explained that we will be discussing more on this topic on next agenda item where we talk about scheduling courses and creating this kind of pathway. Need to meet with each individual high school to carve out a pathway that works best for members, principals, students, and faculty at your HS. a. Scheduling Dual-Credit Course at Area High Schools John Tapia teaches DRFT 101,108,109,151 dual credit courses right at the school (Arrowhead Park Early College High School). When they go into their junior year they already know the main courses; you can teach them right there at the school. We need to start talking about how our other HS can incorporate that. It is difficult to schedule because of room/software availability. Therefore, need to meet individually. J.D. Welch commented that he has parents that feel strongly about this; their child is going to be a sophomore next year. The way DC works, sophomore students dont get covered through the State reimbursement program anymore, so their parents are paying out-of-pocket to pay their childs tuition for their courses. Have their strong support. Chipper Moore explained that we have Certificate Programs (arch., civil, mech.,) all 16 credits. He further stated that he believes these all have value for HS students and others to get a jump start to DACC and furthering on. Members requested to keep in close contact with Matt Byrnes in articulating courses at the high schools. Have had great relationships with HS teachers for many years; with reduction, we need to communicate all matters through Matt Byrnes. Requested questions, suggestions, and comments from members. What kind of programs do you have with counselors? Trying our best to have opportunities to meet with counselors and teachers. There is a bit of a shift; now more teachers are advising. Need a presence at HS. When all the high schools had a drafting program, had more opportunity to meet with students in classroom. Have lost that connection. How can we have better opportunities to get with everyone at the HS (school board, administrators, counselors, teachers). Need to share info with everyone; tendency is to forget. Its difficult when there is not a drafting class to present to.

All day career events work well like had at San Andres HS on registration day. Do our best to participate in all the career events. Parents need to be informed about these events and participate. Good suggestion is to create a video emphasizing all our programs. Students would view it then go see their counselor. Members agreed this a good idea. Could use our Creative Media Tech program to create it.

7. Career Pathways from Drafting and Design into Architecture, Engineering, and Surveying
Referred members to the Career Pathways to Engineering and Architecture handout prepared by Chipper Moore. Chipper Moore showed members a graphic he and J.D. Welch worked on (simple handout to give/help parents and students understand); talks about enrolling in DC courses and career pathways emphasizing completing drafting and go onto engineering and architecture.

8. The Role of Career and Technical Education (CTE) in Student Success

Chipper Moore shared his experience in taking technical education classes and the changes that have occurred over time. CTE is Career and Technical Education. When I took Mr. Bowmans class at MHS that was vocational education. Different terminology, but the same thing. There are three things want to share. All students have to be not only college ready, but career ready (thats the goal). That is what we are trying to achieve. Through our program, if they never go on to get a 4-year degree, we want them career ready (employable). Second is knowledge and skills. Huge to have skills to go with knowledge. How students learn has a decided impact on what they learn. Are very hands on. Have many reports about how the nation needs to go. We know the economic reality hard to do at the HS level. Want to do everything we can do to keep these opportunities. Not every student leaving is ready to go to university, nor successful. Percentages are scary. Referred members to handout prepared by Chipper Moore. Only 10% of teens who attend 4-year college, graduate and find commensurate employment. Interesting trend Reverse Transfer Students (students get 4-year degree, dont find employment, come to CC, get skills, get employed). Negative is incurred debt, time invested. We want to see more students not quite prepared to go straight to university come to program like ours, get prepared, be successful and get out. Want to do everything to shorten their length of stay. We are 2year degree programs. Most students spend four years to finish. What bothers us mostly, spending too much of their life to finish their 2-year degree and borrowing too much money. Want to see them move through quickly. Serious implications. Many studies say CTE is critical for future of nation, HS and college students that they get those skills and everything else. What does this mean, it means pursuing a pathway may start with drafting which may lead to them to being successful.

9. Other Items/Discussion
a. High School Visits b. Advisory Committee Membership and Participation c. Architecture Program Info: from Bureau of Labor Statistics Chipper Moore pulled some info from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and has a map (annual minimum wage) that shows New Mexico is a good place to be an engineer and an architect. This is impacted by White Sands, NASA, and Los Alamos National Labs. Promising outlook.

Luis Rios prepared/distributed nice list of employment stats for architectural engineering occupations by area, per thousand jobs, New Mexico ranks 4 th in engineering and architecture jobs. Went over some quick facts. Also looked at stats for surveyors, construction managers. Those that earned an Associate Degree are making more money than the surveyors, architects, engineers. Eye opening. Growth rates are good. Luis Rios pointed to degree option being created (Construction Management Specialization). Need to produce engineers and architects. There are a myriad of different jobs of all related fields. There is a link to find these. d. Other Members provided feedback. Gary Yabumoto pointed out; in 2010, employment survey was done from over 10,000 respondents in this category. One of the questions was whether student was able to find employment in this field upon receiving an accredited degree, Bachelor, or Master degree. Master Degree was commonly achieved. ? secured a job in six months; 17% did not secure a job (pretty high). In 2012, same survey done, resulted in a 6%; compared to other industries, this is good. Every engineer needs certain number of technicians in the field. We are seeing a movement in all technical professions, software is supposed to replace drafters eventually. The whole purpose of any advanced drafting system is to eliminate time. The whole movement of BIM is to create smaller firms where the principal can actually do work quickly; nowadays, thats the only way can stay in business. The old timers are dying out (hand-drafting). Make the software do the work. In our firm, we are not hiring drafters (2-year degree people). Ones we do have a background in architecture and will advance. Thats what the software is to do. Chipper Moore explained that we are adapting to not training students for a position like that; either prepare them to move on or give them skills set to fit in a different area. Javier Rincon teaches Revit. If get certification; tells them you are doing the work of three people. Sonja thanked us the students; coming out strong. Have some grim statistics in the college of engineering Our 4-yr graduation rate is only 14%; 6-yr is 29% for first-time, full-time freshman. Working on getting the transfer persistence and grad rate. Bet will be high ; they are strong and committed when they come. Gary? Sonya-students do well if prepared (talk with counselors/parents/transfer from DADD). Other students going straight into 4yr engineering based on high GPA, dont always succeed. attribute to students. We have a parallel effort to support the project lead the way, robotics, programs that going to engage them. If committed, will succeed. The 4-yr graduation rate 88% of students either work part-time or full-time. 26% full-time, rest part-time (another problem). Garyso many obstacles now for students to complete program at expected timeframe. Get parents, counselors involved. Chipwe are committed to that; want to visit your school, meet with parents early. Let us know how can do that. Would like to have an open house here at DACC and some other things to meet with parents, etc. Appreciate your help in all this. Invite you all to be a part of our Arch. Tech. Advisory Council Meetings. Member explained students need guidance in understanding how career choices work together (i.e. being an electrician is like an engineer). They dont always want to take a career exploration class which they demand for them to take. Its the students and parents participating in this, in order for the student to be successful. Rebeccabeginning in the fall, do have a general engineering degree started through ????college of engineering.

Will be a fabulous thing not only for engineering students, but for our programs that branch off. Because this is a tough degree (get up to Math 191/192, take 12 hours of science, 109 or solid modeling is required, etc.). See these students coming to us saying want to be engineer, they get in Math 121 and feel like copping out. We then can easily direct them to engineering (mechanical, electronics); they can then come back once they done more applied math. They can get jobs or go into the pathway into the transfer programs into NMSU. Engineering will accept all 67 credits. Javier Rincontrying to get his school certified in project lead the way. They are pushing aerospace. Trying best to convince administration to get civil engineering and architecture are the PLW. Luis??maybe the slideshow will help you. Sonjawe are the affiliate university for PLW in all the State. Anthony Hyde (Distinguished Professor, NMSU Engineering Technology) is the affiliate director. They are the ones who offer you training in the summer so anyone can get certified. Chip told Javier to make connection with Anthony Hyde. Members were thanked for coming to this meeting. Meeting adjourned at 5:30 p.m.