9/11 Commission and Military E-Mails About Commission Visits

Dana Hyde
From: mkara@9-11commission.gov
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:58 AM
To: mkara@9-11commission.gov; dhyde@9-11commission.gov
Subject: Fwd: NEADS
Another e-mail sent from home
Forwarded message from "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:41:00 -0400
From: "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>
Reply-To: "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>
Subject: NEADS
To: <team809-11commission.gov>
All,
Lt Col Kacey Haney, our POC, tracked me down yesterday on cell and we went
over a few things.
She estimates that over 80% of the folks we need to talk to are still there.
She has cancelled her leave to be available, she was also there on 9/11.
Major Nasypany's name is pronounced NAH sip a KNEE, with major emphasis on the
last sylable. He is still there, as is Lt Col Deskins. Only major player that
appears to be missing is the DO.
She confirmed they have the tapes, but are concerned about fragility--they are
reel-reel. I told her to hold on making copies and we would make that
judgment on site in consultation with their technical folks.
I'll talk to her again on Friday.
Miles
End forwarded message

Dana Hyde
From: mkara@9-11 commission.gov
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:57 AM
To: dhyde@9-11commission.gov; mkara@9-11commission.gov
Subject: Fwd: RE: NEADS visit
Dana, add this one to the pile--e-mail I sent to NEADS from home. Miles
Forwarded message from "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>

Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:12:55 -0400
From: "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>
Reply-To: "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>
Subject: RE: NEADS visit
To: "Blaney, Kacey" <BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil>
Kacey, going in the game plan is serial, not parallel ops. Good point tho. By
way of background—John Azzarello and I are the interview team; John Farmer is
our team leader and is along to learn as much as he can before we go to NORAD.
For a thumbnail sketch on all of us--and I'm sure you have done this already-- go to the
commission's web site. Dana Hyde is our other partner, but she will
not be along on this trip. Geoff Brown is our assistant and he will be taking
notes on his laptop as we conduct interviews. We have found that to be the
most efficient way to proceed.
Will we be better off coming up Sunday afternoon to allow enuf time?
FYI, we have a Commission requirement to tape our interviews.
Any idea of who big DoD has seconded to represent DoD OGC?
I'm leaving early in the morning to go to Langley to visit 119th, RCC, and
Giant Killer. Any insight NEADS has that we need to be aware of let us know.
We will be in periodic e-mail contact and when possible I'll have my cell phone
active. I return to DC Tuesday evening. John Farmer and Kevin Shaeffer will be
with me at Langley.
Miles
Quoting "Blaney, Kacey" <BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil>:
Miles, I will get with Col Marr etc to "weed out" bit players. For
scheduling purposes will you and your team members be dividing and
conquering, or will all of you be in the same room interviewing one
person at a time?
Original Message
From: Miles Kara [mailto:mkara@9-llcommission.gov]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:01 PM
To: blaneyk@neads.ang.af.mil
Cc: Janet.edghill@osd.mil; dhyde@9-llcommission.gov;
j farmer@9-llcommission.gov; jazzarello@9-llcommission.gov
Subject: NEADS visit
Kacey, Janet, I'm leaving early Monday morning for Langley and won't
be back til Tues evening, late. You can reach me on cell, mostly
Kacey, please e-mail me a copy of the draft visit schedule and the
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> list of people you are scheduling for interview. I want to make sure
> we maximize our investment in visiting NEADS and want to work with you
> to shape the slate of interviewees.
> For example, I'm speculating, based on SEADS knowledge circa 1997,
> that more than one ID tech's voice is on the transcript tapes that
> day. Question is, do we need to talk with every one, which we are
> quite willing to do, or are we better served by talked to those that
> communicated with FAA Centers plus the NCOIC responsible for the
> supervision of that position over all sections of the watch?
> One suggestion----Col Marr and Maj Nasypany could prioritize the list
> of all possible interview candidates so that we can make the final
> call in some informed manner. Critical factors are the period
> 0800-1100 EOT on 9/11, contact with FAA in any way, contact with
> CONR/NORAD in any way, contact with Otis/Langley/Andrews/Altlantic
> City/Toledo/Selfridge.
> Miles
End forwarded message

Miles Kara
From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:10 AM
To: 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'
Cc: 'team8@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: RE: Otis interviews
All, Otis just called me and I told them the travel team would be John Farmer, John
Azzarello and Geoff Brown. POC at Otis is Lt Col Maggie Queneville and I just talked to
her. She is in contact with Andy Huddleston. I also gave her Shirley Miller's phone
number.
For Janet, Our Security Officer has changed, but the number should be the same. 202 331-
4702. Wanda left me a voice mail, probably same subject, and I will return that call.
Geoff Brown's phone number at the New York office is 212-264-1586. The three Otis
travelers, plus myself, will constitute the NEADS visit team, FYI.
John, Maggie is left handed—she and I established a natural rapport—and I alerted her
that you were a member of the brother/sisterhood of sinistral-capable human beings.
Miles
Original Message
From: Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI [mailto:Janet.Edghill@osd.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:02 AM
To: 'mkara@9-llcommission.gov'
Subject: FW: Otis interviews
Miles--please see e-mail below. Thanks. R/Janet
> Original Message

> From: Huddleston Andrew Civ AF/XOHP
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 AM
> To: Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI
> Cc: Wagner Anthony L Civ SAF/GCM
> Subject: RE: Otis interviews
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Janet, to follow up on our conversation, for access to Otis, we need
> to know the names and social security numbers of the Commission
> members who will visit there 14-15 Oct. We will also need to have the
> security clearances forwarded to the 102nd FW.
>
> Mr John Farmer told me he would go but that Mr Kara and Mr Shaeffer
> will not. Please help us determine whether any others will be going
> and whether they have any specific requests. As Mr Farmer asked, we
> intend to include briefings and orientations by the 102nd FW, much
> like the units provided at Langley. Thank you again for the
> assistance.
>
> Andy
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Mr Andrew Huddleston
> Dep Ch, Plans, Integration & Transformation Div, AF/XOHP
> (703) 696-0024
> Fax: (703) 588-0636
>
> Original Message
> From: Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:25 AM
> To: Huddleston Andrew Civ AF/XOHP
> Subject: Otis interviews
> Andy--have tried several times to call you, but your voicemail won't
> pick up. Have you been working the Otis interviews? R/Janet 614-4665
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Miles Kara
From: Blaney, Kacey [BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil]

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:27 PM
To: 'Miles Kara'
Miles, I will get with Col Marr etc to "weed out" bit players. For scheduling purposes will you and your team
members be dividing and conquering, or will all of you be in the same room interviewing one person at a time?
—Original Message
To: blaneyk@neads.ang.af.mil
Cc: Janet.edghill@osd.mil; dhyde@9-llcommission.gov; jfarmer@9-llcommission.gov; jazzarello@9-
llcommission.gov
Kacey, Janet, I'm leaving early Monday morning for Langley and won't be back til Tues evening, late.
You can reach me on cell, mostly
Kacey, please e-mail me a copy of the draft visit schedule and the list of people you are scheduling for
interview. I want to make sure we maximize our investment in visiting NEADS and want to work with you
to shape the slate of interviewees.
For example, I'm speculating, based on SEADS knowledge circa 1997, that more than one ID tech's voice
is on the transcript tapes that day. Question is, do we need to talk with every one, which we are quite
willing to do, or are we better served by talked to those that communicated with FAA Centers plus the
NCOIC responsible for the supervision of that position over all sections of the watch?
One suggestion—Col Marr and Maj Nasypany could prioritize the list of all possible interview candidates
so that we can make the final call in some informed manner. Critical factors are the period 0800-1100
EOT on 9/11, contact with FAA in any way, contact with CONR/NORAD in any way, contact with
Otis/Langley/Andrews/AltlanticCity/Toledo/Selfridge.
Miles
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10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

To: 'blaneyk@neads.ang.af.mil'
Cc: 'Janet.edghill@osd.mir; 'dhyde@9-11commission.gov'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov';
'jazzarello@9-11 commission.gov'
Kacey, Janet, I'm leaving early Monday morning for Langley and won't be back til Tues evening, late. You can
reach me on cell, mostly
Kacey, please e-mail me a copy of the draft visit schedule and the list of people you are scheduling for interview.
I want to make sure we maximize our investment in visiting NEADS and want to work with you to shape the slate
of interviewees.
For example, I'm speculating, based on SEADS knowledge circa 1997, that more than one ID tech's voice is on
the transcript tapes that day. Question is, do we need to talk with every one, which we are quite willing to do, or
are we better served by talked to those that communicated with FAA Centers plus the NCOIC responsible for the
supervision of that position over all sections of the watch?
One suggestion-—Col Marr and Maj Nasypany could prioritize the list of all possible interview candidates so that
we can make the final call in some informed manner. Critical factors are the period 0800-1100 EOT on 9/11,
contact with FAA in any way, contact with CONR/NORAD in any way, contact with Otis/Langley/Andrews/Altlantic
City/Toledo/Selfridge.
Miles
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:37 AM
To: 'Janet.edghill@osd.mil'
Subject: FW: NEADS visit
One last time, just to make sure you got it. MK
Original Message
Janet, this didn't get to you the first time.
Miles
Janet, Kacey, we have poured concrete around the 20-24 Oct week (Mon-Fri) for NEADS visit.
Regret this might fall during Lt Col Blaney=92s scheduled leave. We have no objections to
arrival Sunday evening and departure Saturday, if necessary.
Lisa Sullivan will coordinate all the details in getting us there and back. Traveling
party TBD, but count on Miles Kara, John Azzarello, John Farmer, and Geoff Brown. Work to
be done primarily at but not limited to SECRET RELCAN level, except for Intel Officer, DO
and CO, which will be SCI.
Kacey, we requested interviews primarily by position held on 9/11 and need to know soon
who is still available and how we contact those who are not. We understand that a good i
percentage of people involved are still there. Our learning curve is to plan on 1 =^au, '"vpy
hours per interview**?longer for the CO, DO, MCC and ID Tech. In fact, CO and MCC should
be open ended. We need to make sure we understand the concurrent play of exercise
Vigilant = Guardian and the suite of interviews should allow for that understanding.
We envision talking to the real world 9/11 watchstanders first, concluding with MCC;
exercise MCC (and others TBD) second; battle cab (less CO) third; the day shop supervisors
fourth; adjunct personnel fifth=^O*iifcel, comms,other TBD;--and CO last. We understand
that exact scheduling will depend on availability. We have no problem with early or late
scheduling to meet needs of current watchstanders. We are also open to any suggestions
Colonel Marr may have to ensure that we have fully and completely examined or contacted
all responsive sources of information available during this = visit.
Janet, Kacey, please have tapes of the transcripts available on site and then provided to
us for retention through the document process.
I will be mostly on cell this week 540 729 1086. Leave a voice mail if I do not answer.
I will also try to remember to check voice mail at home office. Lisa can usually find me
if all else fails.
Miles
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Miles Kara

Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:45 PM
Cc: 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'Kevin Shaeffer'
Subject: Langley Trip
Janet, we need to lock in the Langley trip. Where do we stand, who are we going to see, and
in what order?
Langley is the priority. SAR and Giant Killer are important, but should not be time consuming
visits. If available documents are sufficient we may not need to do much more than simply visit
SAR.
Langley purpose: The Langley scramble and the operations concerning how all of that is
managed
SAR purpose: USAF reaction to FAA request re AA77
Giant Killer: Involvement in the actual control of both Otis and Langley scrambles, and some
feel for history on how such scrambles are managed by GK.
Miles
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:33 AM
To: 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI'
Cc: 'team8@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: RE: 9/11 Air Threat Conference Call Transcript (FOUO)
Pat, good morning, thanks for candid report on this issue.
Also, thanks for excellent support in getting us in contact with Commander Perez. That
went well, short visit, but necessary to flesh out that piece of the FAA/DoD relationship.
I alerted the Major from Hanscomb who represented DoD to the intricacies of the yet to be
scheduled trip to Otis, which involves both FAA and DoD equities. The primary purpose of
that visit is to go to the wing. Therefore, it will be a DoD visit, with a side visit to
Cape TRACON, the FAA entity of interest.
Most of us will be on the road again next week to complete the major FAA field visits.
It's good we deferred NEADS since we need the upcoming week for FAA.
We are still shooting for NEADS in the 21 Oct timeframe and also the Langley piece in
early October. Concerning Langley, our visit with Commander Perez provided additional
awareness of an entity known as GIANT KILLER. Simply put, GK is the controller for
military activities in the offshore warning areas along the eastern coast and may have
been involved in controlling the Otis scramble on 9/11. GK, by location, is also referred
to as VACAPES (Virginia Capes) and is headquartered in the Langley area, probably at
Oceana.
Therefore, the Langley visit now has three nodes—VACAPES/GIANT KILLER, SAR/RCC, and
Langley operations re the scramble. At the first two nodes the requirement lies somewhere
between an interview and a briefing. We need to obtain sufficient information and
documents to fully describe the participation of both nodes in the events of 9/11. We
look to DoD to best determine how that requirement can be met, to include JCS-level
orientation, if appropriate.
No, we didn't have time in New England to dine on lobsters.
Miles
Original Message
From: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI [mailto:Pat.Downs@osd.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:06 AM
To: 'pzelikow@9-llcommission.gov'; 'dmarcus@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-
11commission.gov'; 'mkara@9-11commission.gov'; 'dhyde@9-11commission.gov';
'Dan.Levin@usdoj.gov' ; 'Brian.H.Hook@usdoj.gov'; 'tmonheim@who.eop.gov'
Cc: Boykin, William G, LTG, OSD-USDI; Hawkins, James A, Maj Gen, JCS VDJS/DOM; Aly,
Stewart, Mr, DoD OGC; Sweatt, Susan, COL, OSD-USDI; Deitz, Robert, Mr, DoD OGC; Dalton,
William, Mr, DoD OGC; Doheny, Robert, CIV, OSD-POLICY; Gainor, Sharon, CPO, DoD OGC;
Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-USDI; Carter, Michael L, Maj, JCS NMCC; Kuehl, Susan P, Col JCS
NMCC; Rezzonico, Wayne M, Lt Col, JCS NMCC; Meyer, Jeanne M, MAJ, JCS SJS; Lehner,
Johnathan, Mr, DoD OGC; Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI; Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI
Subject: 9/11 Air Threat Conference Call Transcript (FOUO)
Importance: High
FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Phil, Miles, Dana,
We have been reviewing the five audio tapes of the 9/11 NMCC conference call to develop at
least a rough time chronology/phasing for the transcript. In doing so, we have discovered
that the transcriber missed one side of the fourth audio tape (Tape #4/Side 2).
Specifically, the transcript identifies Tape 4/Side 2 as beginning on page 136 with the
1
addition of the words "SIDE 1 IS BLANK." In actuality, the
transcript reflects Tape 4/Side 1. Tape 4/Side 2 should begin on page 153
of the transcript -- it does not -- instead the transcript skips directly to Tape 5. It
appears that the transcriber misinterpreted the pauses, gaps, and hollow sounds at the
beginning of Tape 4/Side 2 as indicating a blank side.
We are working with all due speed to complete the transcription. Will keep you apprised
of our progress. Pat
Pat Downs
OUSD(I)
3C-281 Pentagon
703-695-1860
This may contain information exempt from mandatory disclosure under the
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) . Exemption (s) may apply.
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Miles Kara
From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11 commission.gov]

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:12 AM
Cc: 'Pat.Downs@osd.mil'; 'dhyde@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov';
'dcampagna@9-11commission.gov'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'jazzarello@9-
11commission.gov'
Subject: Langley visit
Janet, there is a SAR (Search and Rescue) issue with AA77 and FAA notification records
indicate that such notification goes to "Search and Rescue: Langley AFB (LFI)."
While at Langley we should talk to a knowledgeable official(s) about FAA SAR notification on
AA77, or other aircraft, on the morning of 9/1 1/01 .
Please confirm that the appropriate AF SAR activity to visit is at Langley. If so, please add to
the schedule a discussion with the operations officer or other knowledgeable person about AF
support to any SAR effort concerning AA77. If not, please direct us accordingly.
Pat, do we need to add a line item to a supplemental document request to cover AA77-related
SAR documents held by DoD?
Miles
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Subject: RE: Briefing you showed me
Dianna may have the original in color, but we preserve the integrity of the original submissions from agencies and
make copies to work from. We don't have a color copier—color printers, yes, but copier, no.
/
Either way, the briefing loses in translation if it is not viewed as a slide show. Only way to do that is
electronically. So let me restate the requirement. We need that presentation(and any other briefings/power point
items) in slide show as well as static form.
Good example is the Cheri Gott briefing, that was provided to us on CD and we can view it dynamically.
Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
She didn't give you a color copy? R/Janet
P.S. I am...it takes me hours to get home when there's just a sprinkle outside. I can imagine what the
impact of a hurrican would be!
Original Message
To: 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI1
Janet, thanks. It would seem that since we already have the information in black and white that it
wouldn't take long to get approval to send it to us electronically.
Keep an eye on hurricane Isabel, it's a comin' up the Chesapeake, seems like.
Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
Miles-sent the request this morning. I'll check back in a day or two for status. R/Janet
Original Message
Subject: Briefing you showed me
10/16/2003
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Janet, we have a paper copy of the briefing you showed me. Hardly recognized it.
We do need an electronic version as soon as you can get it to us, ideally as a CD.
Thanks, Miles
10/16/2003
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;9/ll P e r s o n a l P r i v a c y
Miles Kara

Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:19 PM ;
To: 'Blaney, Kacey' ! \ 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'jazrar
Subject: RE: NEADS visit update I
Colonel Blaney, good afternoon, and thanks for prompt notice to us. Our team coordinator,
Lisa Sullivan, super efficient, will work to get us out the door at this end. I will copy her on this
e-mail so that you have her contact data. In addition, she can be reached at 202 401 1770.
My contact info is phone: 202 401-1648, home| |cell (mostly on)] I

My team mate on this visit has not been finally established but it will likely be John Azzarello
from our NY office. When that is firm Lisa will provide his contact data. In interim, I will copy
him on this e-mail also.
Our game plan will be to arrive separately on Monday and get settled in. I will fly from DC and
John will get there somehow from NJ. We plan on a car rental on site. Lisa will pass our
clearances. I presume discussions will stay at S-RELCAN level or below, with possible
exception of a discussion with your Intel Officer.
I talked to Pat Downs, our DoD coordinator, this morning about skip echelon when a POC had
been established. I see you have copied Janet, which is good, that keeps them in the loop.
I am also copying our team leader, John Farmer, NY office, and my colleague, Dana Hyde,
who works with me.
We look forward to the visit and will work with you to minimize the admin impact of our
presence.
Miles Kara
Commission Staff
Original Message
From: Blaney, Kacey [mailto:BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:55 AM
To: 'Janet.Edghill@osd.mil'
Cc: 'mkara@9-llcommission.gov1; 'william.scott@tyndall.af.mil'; Marr, Robert
Subject: RE: NEADS visit update
Dear Mr. Kara,

Col Marr, NEADS/CC requested I contact you and let you know that I will be your administrative support
point of contact for your visit to NEADS the week of 29 Sep.
I stand ready to help you process your clearances, schedule interview/work area(s), secure your
classified and make billeting arrangements, as necessary.
Please let your needs as soon as possible.
Kacey Blaney, Lt Col
10/16/2003
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NEADS Executive Officer

387 Hangar Road
Rome NY 13441 -4507
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ext. 6536
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TO/16/2003
Miles Kara
To: 'Burris Richard Col 1AF/CS1
Subject: RE: New Cell Phone
Richard, thanks for kind offer.
I chatted with Pat Downs at DoD today. As you know we have to work all requirements thru
DoD/JCS, et al, and we are doing that. I suggested to Pat that as we get closer to each
visit that we go "skip echelon" and allow us to deal directly with POC with drop copy e-
mail to everyone else that needs to know. If that happens it will be for admin/logistics
only is my guess.
Miles
Original Message
From: Burris Richard Col 1AF/CS [mailto:Richard.Burris@tyndall.af.mil]
To: 'Miles Kara'
Roger on the NEADS trip. As you know you'll be here for our best weather. As you get
close please let me know what you will need and we'll make it
happen. Congrats on the wedding Rich
Original Message
To: 'Burris Richard Col 1AF/CS'
Richard, thanks. As I recall from my BTTR days Bill Cogley and I had scant time to take
in the local culture at SEADS/1AF back in '97.
As you probably know, DoD/JCS is working a trip for us to NEADS week of 29 Sep.
Dates for Tyndall have not been set, but we are looking at a three week window late Oct,
early Nov. My son is getting married on the llth of Oct so I've been told to stay local
first half of October. Seems my presence is required at the ceremonies and aftermath.
Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
Miles: We also look forward to seeing you and showing you local culure, hope you like
fresh seafood. Rich
Original Message
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:36 AM
To: 'Burris Richard Col 1AF/CS'
Richard, I've driven over one, lost another, and a third went haywire. FYI, we are
engaged in conversation with DoD POC to visit NEADS and then Tyndall. Looking forward to
the visits.
Miles
Original Message
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:01 PM
To: Barbara. Eager (E-mail); 'Settle. Davis (E-mail); Bill Goss (E-mail); Bouchard Charles
BGen (CF) CONR/CD; Copeland Brad Col AU HQ/CCG; Cain Sandy SMSgt USAFE/CCG; Caren. Foard
(E-mail); Campbell Charles Col SEADS/CC; Charles V. COL NGB/CF Ickes 'II (E-mail); McKinley
Craig R Maj Gen 1AF/CC; David. Brubaker (E-mail); Doc Overmyer (E-mail); Don Shepperd (E-
mail); Whitehead Donald Col 1AF/FM; Kirkpatrick Donna SMSgt 1AF/DP; Ed Daniel (E-mail); Ed
Daniel (E-mail); Ed. Brown (E-mail); Greene Kimberly K. Maj 1AF/DP; Janet (E-mail);
Robinson Janet A Col AFPC/CCR/CCG; Jerry. Smithwick (E-mail); Aguilar Jesse TSgt 1AF/CCQ;
John Keenan (E-mail); Kelley Duckett (E-mail); Burman Kevin Col 1AF/ADO; Thompson Kevin Lt
Col 1AF/CCE; Kevin. Miller (E-mail); Kim Greene (E-mail); 1 AF/SG Surgeon General; Kurt.
Skogland (E-mail); Larrabee Debra Col ANG/201 MSS CC (E-mail); Read MTA MSG; Corbett
Michael Col 1AF/CV; Michael. Hillestad (E-mail); Mike Cushman (E-mail); Mkara (E-mail);
Nadeau Nanette GS NORAD-USNORTHCOM/CX; Nancy. Carbonaro (E-mail); Plante, Lawana G. (E-
mail); Randy - NGB-PL Johnson (E-mail); Randy - NGB-PL Johnson (E-mail 2); Ricky (E-mail);
Ricky Burris (E-mail); Scarbro Samuel R Col AEFC/CG; Sam Scarbro (Business Fax); Scott
William Civ 1AF/OX; Steph (E-mail); Susan. Schuster (E-mail); TiptonMA (E-mail); Tony COL
West (TX) (E-mail); Tony COL West (TX) (E-mail 2); Hill Vicky Civ 1AF/CV
Subject: New Cell Phone
I'm breaking in a new cell phone, 850-867-0388.

RICHARD W. BURRIS
Colonel, USAF
1 AF/CS
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Miles Kara

Subject: NCT 0981-1036
Janet, here's the problem.
That chat log is a real time document which appears to contain exercise and possibly real
world traffic. At some point, post facto, likely on 17 Sep someone went back in and inserted
real world events from a public affairs release, draft at that, which purports to be based on
RADES info.
So, there are three problems. What is the underlying source for the 0843 item; where did the
PA get the information; and why was RADES cited.
You and I won't be able to sort this out. Only NORAD can.
Miles
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Sent: Thursday, September 1 1 , 2003 2:24 PM
To: 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'Pat.Downs@osd.mil'
Cc: 'jazzarello@9-11commission.gov'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'Dana Hyde'; 'Lisa Sullivan';
'sdunne@9-1 1commission.gov'; 'dcampagna@9-1 1commission.gov'
Subject: NEADS visit update
Janet, per your voice mail today, Sep 11,1 am resending my original summary of what we intend to accomplish at
NEADS during week of 29 Sep.
It is important that we understand thoroughly how NEADS was set up and operated on that day, to include all the
SOPs, checklists, comms paths/bridges/open lines etc. The role of the Battle Cab needs to be laid out as well as
the overprint of the exercise SAOC with the real world team. We will use the NEADS transcript as a baseline to
work through events with most people we talk to. Some interviews will be short. Others such as the MCC, the ID
Tech, the CO, and the DO should be open ended as to time.
The traveling team, at the moment, is Miles Kara and John Azzarello. You have clearance data on us both, I
believe. Lisa Sullivan will handle the logistics, scheduling and such. She is copied on this e-mail. John comes
from our New York office and will likely meet up with me at Rome.
NEADS should assume that we know little about their operations. I spent time at SEADS and CONR several
years ago on the BTTR project, but my knowledge is dated. We have ACC pub ACCI 13-SAOC, Vol 3, Air
Defense Command and Control Operations, 30 May 1997, as our guide. If that is out-of-date or insufficient we
need the relevant document(s) provided to us ASAP, preferably by FEDEX.
We will need sufficient space to spread out a bit and to conduct interviews. We would also use that space to work
on into the evening each day and to store materials. Access to a couple of accredited computers will help,
especially if we determine that our notes/interviews are classified. We will keep going until we are done and are
scheduling through Friday, if necessary.
Janet, at this point we believe it more efficient and effective for all parties if we skip echelon and pick up the
coordination directly with the NEADS POC — via e-mail with cc to interesting parties in between.
Miles
..... Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:33 AM
Cc: 'dhyde@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-llcommission.gov1; 'jfarmer@9-l lcommission.gov1; 'jazzarello@9-
llcommission.gov'
Janet, per our phone conversation here is a summary for planning purposes. Week of 22 Sep is tentatively an
FAA week. Week of 29 Sep is preferred NEADS week, but we might be able to do week of 15 Sep. Period 1-15
Oct is projected for non-travel. That projects CONR and NORAD for last two weeks in October or early Nov,
CONR first.
As we discussed, we have other Commission staff interested in going to NORTHCOM on other issues.
Back to NEADS, we need to pin down who is still there or locally available, who occupied the positions stated in
the request. Present location of folks not currently there will be required. Our scope is the morning/day of 9/1 1 .
We need to separately interview persons involved on that day; understand how they were configured and
interacted; learn how data was received, displayed, and interpreted, to include capabilities of display systems;
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and establish who participants were able to talk to (both internally and externally) and how that was
accomplished. External communicants of interest are FAA at all responsive locations, CONR and NORAD, and
relevant nodes at Otis, Langley or other fighter bases contacted that day. We also need to understand how
Exercise Vigilant Guardian was configured and managed.
Scope established above is a start point. We will follow additional leads, trails or avenues as they become
apparent.
Thanks for your coordination effort.
Miles
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
Subject: RE: Air Threat Conference Transcript
Great response time!! MK
Original Message
Cc: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI; Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-USDI
Subject: Air Threat Conference Transcript
Miles--The Air Threat Conference tapes from which the transcript was made are in the
custody of the NMCC. There was no clock-date stamp during the recording because these were
ordinary analog recorders. They have since been upgraded to digital recorders.
Since we spoke, the NMCC has been tasked to try to approximate times of events on the
transcript. R/Janet
Miles Kara
Subject: RE: Document and interview requests
Good to go, for now. MK
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
OK, thanks. What about the Col Scott question? R/Janet
Original Message
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:17 PM
Presume you mean the 3 119th pilots, one of.
We can catch up with him by phone. We have extensive debriefs done on the 119th pilots
which are pretty definitive.
Miles
Original Message
Subject: Document and interview requests
Miles--! spoke to Col Scott about the materials he compiled that we will be submitting to
you later this week. He told me he had retired about 18 months prior to September 11, so
was not on active duty when he put together these briefs. He told me he put this
information together in October 01, but added to it here and there as clarifications
became available. There were no interviews and there is no briefing script. Does this
answer your question about dates?
Regarding your interviews at Langley--one of the 9/11 pilots won't be available that week.
Would you like to try to catch him by telephone or arrange for him to come to DC at an
alternate date? R/Janet
Miles Kara
Presume you mean the 3 119th pilots, one of.
We can catch up with him by phone. We have extensive debriefs done on the 119th pilots
which are pretty definitive.
Miles
Original Message
Subject: Document and interview requests
Miles--! spoke to Col Scott about the materials he compiled that we will be submitting to
you later this week. He told me he had retired about 18 months prior to September 11, so
was not on active duty when he put together these briefs. He told me he put this
information together in October 01, but added to it here and there as clarifications
became available. There were no interviews and there is no briefing script. Does this
answer your question about dates?
Regarding your interviews at Langley—one of the 9/11 pilots won't be available that week.
Would you like to try to catch him by telephone or arrange for him to come to DC at an
alternate date? R/Janet
Miles Kara
Subject: RE: Item 4-9; ATC Tower flight strips
Janet, per my earlier phonecon, we have the Andrews strips.
Miles
Original Message
Subject: Item 4-9; ATC Tower flight strips
Miles—Andrews Tower is an FAA facility. If the Commission requires a written explanation

for why the strips were not held at Andrews, the FAA would be the appropriate organization
for the Commission to task.
We could prepare a memo stating the strips were not retained at the ANG bases because they
are not required to unless a mishap or Hazardous Air Traffic Report (HATR) was filed.
None of the aircraft that were scrambled on 11 Sep 01 experienced a mishap or encountered
hazardous traffic. Therefore, the strips were not retained.
If you still require anything from us, please let me know. R/Janet
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Miles Kara
From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-1 1commission.gov]

Cc: 'Dana Hyde'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov1; 'dcampagna@9-
11commission.gov'
Subject: More dates needed
Janet, while we're asking NORAD to check dates, please ask for effective dates for the two
checklists we have as your Bates numbers beginning 5107 and 5114. These are the
Command Director's abbreviated and expanded checklists for Domestic Events. If the
effective dates of the versions we have are post 9/1 1 we need copies of the versions in effect
on 9/1 1 , itself.
Thanks
\_
Miles
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
To: 'dcampagna@9-11commission.gov'; 'Lisa Sullivan'; 'abennett@9-11commission.gov'
Cc: 'Dana Hyde'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: FW: Item 4-9; ATC Tower flight strips
Dianna, Ann, Lisa, Please make sure this e-mail gets added to the data base. This
constitutes notification that flight strips were not retained at Otis and Langley on
September 11, 2001.
Miles Kara
Team 8
Original Message
Subject: Item 4-9; ATC Tower flight strips
Miles—Andrews Tower is an FAA facility. If the Commission requires a written explanation

for why the strips were not held at Andrews, the FAA would be the appropriate organization
for the Commission to task.
We could prepare a memo stating the strips were not retained at the ANG bases because they
are not required to unless a mishap or Hazardous Air Traffic Report (HATR) was filed.
None of the aircraft that were scrambled on 11 Sep 01 experienced a mishap or encountered
hazardous traffic. Therefore, the strips were not retained.
If you still require anything from us, please let me know. R/Janet
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Miles Kara

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:08 PM
To: 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI'
Cc: 'Dana Hyde'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: Latest NORAD delivery
Janet, as I alluded to in an earlier conversation, we need NORAD to expeditiously supply the

actual dates of documents beginning with your DoD Bates number 24095 and continuing
through the Amalgam Virgo 02 material. Specifically, we must know with certainty which
documents in that spectrum were actually in existence prior to 9/11. However, it is important
that each distinct document carry the date of its creation. While we can infer some of those
dates we prefer that the provider make the definitive call.
It would be helpful if the answer came back as an e-mail response. If NORAD prefers to tie
the dates to its own tabbing system, that's fine; we just ask that you help us in making the final
equation to specific DoD Bates numbers.
That aside, we asked for Amalgam Virgo 01 and 02. Yet, we received voluminous material
concerning Amalgam Virgo 03. We are curious as to why? We were provided very little,
apparently, about Amalgam Virgo 01. Intuitively, there must be more, to include lessons
learned that would help us understand both 01 and 02.
Thanks for your continued responsiveness.
Miles Kara
Commission Staff
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:18 PM
Cc: 'Lisa Sullivan'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'Dana Hyde'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: Followup re visits ~r-
'
Janet, per our phone discussion,
.
at LangleyjDtis, and Andrews we will need a briefing and ground orientation on how things
were"on"9n 1 . That orientation should include at a minimum 1) the physical layout—where
were the planes, the alert shed, the control; 2) the voice and comms connectivity—the klaxon,
the alert phones, tower; 3) the operational setting — and in Langley's case, how does Langley
host a visiting AD wing/squadron, who does what, and what are the responsibilities and
authorities attendant to both the host and the visitor.
Put succinctly, sufficient information for staff to understand events of 9/1 1 as they occurred
that day, both on the ground and in the air, to include the ATO for that day, especially training
events that morning.
A command briefing, focused on how things were then and are now, if different, would be
helpful.
Miles
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Sent: Monday, September 01 , 2003 8:35 AM
To: 'Miles Kara1; 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI1
Cc: 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'dhyde@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11commission.gov';
'dcampagna@9-1 1commission.gov'
Subject: RE: Latest NORAD delivery
Pat, Janet, on second look— yes on Monday, Labor Day!!— it appears we may have at least some of the ground
control comms with Langley birds; but it is still not clear we have the Otis equivalent. Let us see what FAA pulls
up first.
The exercise historical material from NORAD is fascinating. We may have one difficulty that will require your
help. It is not clear in the Amalgam Virgo 02 submission what material is pre 9/1 1 and what is post 9/1 1 . Lack of
dates on specific line items is a hindrance. Let me come up with a definitive list for AV02, but please inject a note
of caution into the process that when we are provided extracted material without the covering material the original
dates of the extracted material need to be provided.
Miles O
— Original Message ----- o/
To: 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI1
Cc: 'jfarmer@9-llcommission.gov'; 'dhyde@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-llcommission.gov1;
'dcampagna@9-llcommission.gov'
Subject: Latest NORAD delivery
Pat, Janet, we are seeing some very responsive material, especially the debriefs of the Langley pilots.
Raises the question if such debriefs will be forthcoming for Otis and Andrews pilots, as well.
Janet, those debriefs show that we will need to go to Langley, but perhaps won't need to go to North
Dakota.
I note some duplication in the NORAD material with documents previously delivered. For example, we
got a second copy of the NEADS transcripts as well as second copies of some of the Cheyenne Mt
material, logs specifically. Earlier, we also got multiple deliveries of the CONR chat log. I speculate that
the initial deliveries were direct from CONR and NEADS and that NORAD is now submitting the same
information. Is it the rolling production that is causing this and do you have any suggestions on how we
might save time and your end and ours in handling duplicate deliveries?
On a different note, the debriefs of the Langley pilots clearly show that both FAA and NEADS were
involved in the actual ground control of pilots that day. So far, we have no transcripts, tapes or other data
from either DoT or DoD that account for taskings, directions, instructions and other information relayed to
and from the Otis, Langley and Andrews fighter pilots. FAA is separately pursuing its end of this issue.
Please make sure that NEADS/NORAD accounts for ground control of the pilots while airborne in their
search for documents related to the hijacked aircraft.
Again, thanks for continued support and have a pleasant weekend.
Miles
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:58 PM
There is, so far, nothing antecedent that links to that entry.
Miles
—Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara1
Thanks for the e-mail address...! was going to try to guess, but there are always exceptions!
I know the notes are on the CD, but there wasn't anything else to give you expediently. I thought there
was a possibility that you somehow didn't get them. I did ask NORAD to continue checking but it just
could be that there isn't anything and since I know you are currently viewing radar data, I thought these
might be of some use.
I don't understand where you're coming from with the 0843. I have seen this time in several transcripts
from the day as a possible hijack. What have you seen that suggests otherwise? R/Janet
Original Message
Cc: bjenkins@9-llcommission.gov
bjenkins@9-11commission.gov
Our address are constructed like OSD, except we use first initial and last name. I'm copying her
on this so you can pick the address off of the header.
Miles
p.s. I just looked at the Gott notes. They are also in a file on the CD. Please note the 0843 entry!!
Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
Thanks, Miles...not to get off subject, but I have been trying to reach Bonnie Jenkins to
arrange interviews. What would be a good e-mail address for her? Thanks, Janet
Original Message
10/16/2003
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Roger that, North Dakota as I recall. The issue then becomes who manages them
while at Langley-1st or 119th. For example, when the MCC at NEADS scrambles or
orders his assets to battle stations, how is that event recorded, who has the records
and how did the local operations folks at Langley fit in? We need to sort through all
that and Langley seems the logical place to start and then proceed from there.
Certainly the pilots are likely not there. We are open to any suggestions on how we
might proceed more efficiently and effectively, understanding that Langley was one
of the 7 designated NORAD AD sites, even though they might borrow manpower to
execute the mission.
Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'; Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI
Cc: dhyde@9-llcommission.gov; sdunne@9-llcommission.gov;
jfarmer@9-llcommission.gov; jazzarello@9-llcommission.gov; Downs,
Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI; Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-USDI
Miles-could you recheck one part of the request? The aircraft that launched
from Langley AFB on 11 Sep 01 were F-16s from Det 1, 119th Fighter
Wing. They were not F-15s from the 1st Fighter Wing.
Is it possible you want to visit Det 1, 119 FW, rather than the 1 st Fighter
Wing? Thanks. R/Janet
Original Message
Cc: dhyde@9-llcommission.gov; sdunne@9-llcommission.gov;
jfarmer@9-llcommission.gov; jazzarello@9-llcommission.gov
Janet, per our phone conversation here is a summary for planning

purposes. Week of 22 Sep is tentatively an FAA week. Week of 29
Sep is preferred NEADS week, but we might be able to do week of
15 Sep. Period 1-15 Oct is projected for non-travel. That projects
CONR and NORAD for last two weeks in October or early Nov,
CONR first.
As we discussed, we have other Commission staff interested in

going to NORTHCOM on other issues.
Back to NEADS, we need to pin down who is still there or locally

available, who occupied the positions stated in the request. Present
location of folks not currently there will be required. Our scope is
the morning/day of 9/11. We need to separately interview persons
involved on that day; understand how they were configured and
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interacted; learn how data was received, displayed, and interpreted,

to include capabilities of display systems; and establish who
participants were able to talk to (both internally and externally) and
how that was accomplished. External communicants of interest are
FAA at all responsive locations, CONR and NORAD, and relevant
nodes at Otis, Langley or other fighter bases contacted that day. We
also need to understand how Exercise Vigilant Guardian was
configured and managed.
Scope established above is a start point. We will follow additional

leads, trails or avenues as they become apparent.
Miles
10/16/2003
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Miles Kara

Cc: 'dhyde@9-11 commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-11 commission.gov'; 'jfarmer@9-11 commission.gov';
'jazzarello@9-11commission.gov'
Janet, per our phone conversation here is a summary for planning purposes. Week of 22 Sep is tentatively an
FAA week. Week of 29 Sep is preferred NEADS week, but we might be able to do week of 15 Sep. Period 1-15
Oct is projected for non-travel. That projects CONR and NORAD for last two weeks in October or early Nov,
CONR first.
As we discussed, we have other Commission staff interested in going to NORTHCOM on other issues.
Back to NEADS, we need to pin down who is still there or locally available, who occupied the positions stated in
the request. Present location of folks not currently there will be required. Our scope is the morning/day of 9/11.
We need to separately interview persons involved on that day; understand how they were configured and
interacted; learn how data was received, displayed, and interpreted, to include capabilities of display systems;
and establish who participants were able to talk to (both internally and externally) and how that was
accomplished. External communicants of interest are FAA at all responsive locations, CONR and NORAD, and
relevant nodes at Otis, Langley or other fighter bases contacted that day. We also need to understand how
Exercise Vigilant Guardian was configured and managed.
Scope established above is a start point. We will follow additional leads, trails or avenues as they become
apparent.
Miles
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'dmarcus@9-11commission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-
11commission.gov'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'
Cc: 'dhyde@9-11commission.gov'; 'kshaeffer@9-11commission.gov'; 'bjenkins@9-
11commission.gov'; 'Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-USDI'; 'Aly,
Stewart, Mr, DoD OGC1; 'Sweatt, Susan, COL, OSD-USDI'; 'Dan.Levin@usdoj.gov1;
'Chad.Boudreaux@usdoj.gov' /\: RE: DoD Status Up
Janet, in Pat's absence. *

First let me express our appreciation for the detail you provide in your update. The
color coding is a nice touch.
Second, re line item 4-18 on page 8, the DoD aircraft IVO NYC and Wash DC, let me add the
following perspective. It is important that we establish the universe of military
aircraft that might have been available on that day, to wit, Gofer 6. We understand this
is a non-trivial task, but ask that the Department work the issue to a logical conclusion.
To that end, it seems to me that there are at least two data points that might help. One
is the ability of the 84th RADES to do a Mode 2 search, as you mention. They have
partially done that in response to request #5, which is complete. A second data point
might be Air Tasking Orders (ATO) for 9/11. To further assist, two examples of aircraft
of interest come to mind. First, is the pair of aircraft, Bobcat 14 and Bobcat 17 that
appear to have originated from Dover AFB prior to 0900 on 9/11. A second example is the
B742 Heavy (WORD 1 or SWORD 1) that departed Andrews prior to 0930 on 9/11.
Please feel free to ask me about any of the line items to facilitate the search.
Please thank Sharon Gainor for her hard work on our behalf and her continued support to
this important effort.
Miles Kara
Team 8
Professional Staff
(202) 401-1648
Original Message
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:47 PM
To: 'dmarcus@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-llcommission.gov'
Cc: 'mkara@9-llcommission.gov'; 'dhyde@9-llcommission.gov'; 'kshaeffer@9-
llcommission.gov'; 'bjenkins@9-llcommission.gov'; Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI; Corson,
Faith, CTR, OSD-USDI; Aly, Stewart, Mr, DoD OGC; Sweatt, Susan, COL, OSD-USDI; Downs, Pat,
Ms, OSD-USDI; 'Dan.Levin@usdoj.gov'; 'Chad.Boudreaux@usdoj.gov'
Subject: DoD Status Update - 22 August (FOUO)
Dan, Steve,
Enclosed is courtesy copy of our most recent update on the status of document and briefing
requests.
I will be out of the office from Monday, 25 Aug. thru Thurs., 28 Aug. Ms. Janet Edghill
will fill in for me during this time. She can be reached at 703-614-4665 and is copied on
this e-mail. You can also contact Ms. Faith Corson at 703-614-7671.
Should you have any new requests for information or interviews during this time, please
send them to Ms. Edghill with a copy to Col Susan Sweatt and Ms. Corson. Thanks. Pat
«Document Status - 8-22doj-pmd. doc»
Pat Downs
OUSD(I)
3C-281 Pentagon
703-695-1860
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Exemption(s) may apply.
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Miles Kara

Cc: 'Dana Hyde'; 'John Farmer'; 'dcampagna@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: Gofer 06
Pat,
We appreciate very much the Air Force tracking down the very useful interview of the pilot and navigator of the
C130. Two quick questions emerge. First, which Intel shop did the investigation—squadron, wing, ACC, First AF
or AFIN? Second, if we were to conduct that interview today—same questions and answers—the overall marking
would be FOUO. Please ask the AirJ-orce to review the document and declassify and re-mark it.
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Miles
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Miles Kara

To: 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'; 'Dana Hyde'
Cc: 'sdunne@9-11 commission.gov'; 'dmacus@9-11 commission.gov'
Subject: Cherie Gott Study
Pat, concerning the Cherie Gott study, we have a couple of additional requirements. Using the existing line item
as a reference, please ask if there is an accompanying script that she used to brief from. If there are several
versions we want the versions she used to brief CONR and CINCNORAD. If she has expanded backup material
that further explains the technical details of the terrain masking portion of her brief we need that, as well.
Second, please arrange for us to contact her—same arrangement that exists for Lanny Cleland and for same
reason—technical consultation. We have her contact data, it is on the CD provided.
Thanks for your considerable effort on our behalf
Miles.
10/16/2003
Miles Kara
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:03 PM
To: 'Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII1
Cc: 'Dana Hyde'; 'jfarmer@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: RE: Doc req 4-8, 4-9 (U)
Faith
Pilot names, please, and current locations. Are these guys telling me that they don't
maintain personal log books to account for flight hours? Count me as skeptical.
Here is what I know from my work on BTTR. We obtained very specific information from
pilot personal logs that was no where else available. If this becomes too hard to do I
suggest Col Burris from CONR call me directly and he and I can sort out what I believe to
be true and what the pilots are telling you.
FYI, we learned at Andrews Tower that flight strips are held for 15 days unless there is
need to hold them further for investigation. If someone is telling us that they were
shredded, then we need a piece of paper explaining why flight strips for 9/11 were not
held and why they were routinely destroyed even though the SOP allows that.
Faith, I've been in DoD for decades. That and my DoD IG experience tell me that we are
getting convenient answers. I surely hope that is not true.
Miles
----- Original Message -----

From: Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII [mailto:Faith.Corson@osd.mil]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:04 PM
To: Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII; Miles Kara (E-mail)
Cc: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI; Powers, Brian, Col, OSD-USDI
Subject: RE: Doc req 4-8, 4-9 (U)
UNCLASSIFIED
Miles,
I've been in direct contact with the pilots at NEADS -they are still not sure what
specific data/piece of information you are looking for in DR 4-8 - e.g. flight hours, take
off and landing times? They tell me that AF records show flight times and that "form 781"
(maintenance record) will show info for all AIRCRAFT. Regardless, NEADs does not have this
info - and recommended we would have to contact each squadron directly.
He (one of the pilots there) also tells me that the "line up card" is shredded daily, so
they would not hold those. / .-, - -,,*.
Are you looking for pilot names, or do you already have that? . -
o
Thanks - if you can help me clarify, we will continue to work through another channel and
get you what you need, vr, Faith
> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: Miles Kara (E-mail)
> Cc: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI
> Subject: Doc req 4-8, 4-9 (U)
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
> Miles,
>
> Per your request, I have responded back to JCS regarding 4-8 and 4-9.
1
> I have clarified that you are looking for both personal pilot logs (4-8) and
> then for 4-9, "Flight Strips."
>
> Thanks
> vr,
> Faith
Miles Kara
To: 'Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI1
Subject: RE: redactions (U)
Pat, thanks for the extra effort. Miles
Original Message
To: 'Miles Kara'
Cc: sdunne@9-llcommission.gov; 'Dana Hyde'; Rezzonico, Wayne M, Lt Col, JCS NMCC; Carter,
Michael L, Maj, JCS NMCC; Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII; Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI; Aly,
Stewart, Mr, DoD OGC; Simon, Lisa, Ms, DoD OGC; Ray, Chris, Mr, DoD OGC; Powers, Brian,
Col, OSD-USDI; Edghill, Janet L, Ms, OSD-USDI
Subject: RE: redactions (U)
UNCLASSIFIED
Miles,
I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you sooner on these discrepancies in the initial NORAD
package.
First, I can confirm that there are NO actual(intended) redactions in the NORAD materials.
NORAD said that there were problems with the quality of the document scanning service
which accounted for the gaps on certain pages. I received from NORAD a corrected package
but some of the discrepancies remained such as on the Combined Command Center log pages
where part of the
timeline appeared to be obscured (example: page 46-47). NORAD is checking
again on the remaining discrepancies. It may be the case that, for example, on page 46-
47, the image is correct -- that the log details a number of items/lines for the "0832"
timeline and that the line and arrow drawn at the left margin indicate so. For some of the
other discrepancies, I have the clean pages with full text showing (as in pp. 46-55 and
46-56). I wanted to wait until I had the full picture from NORAD rather than send you in
bits and pieces. We should be able to clear this matter up by early next week. Pat
Original Message
Cc: sdunne@9-llcommission.gov; 'Dana Hyde'
Subject: FW: redactions
Pat, I don't recall seeing these roll in. Wasn't this to be a quick turn around, like a
fax?
Miles
O r i g i n a l Message
From: s d u n n e @ 9 - l l c o m m i s s i o n . g o v [mailto:sdunne@9-11commission.gov]
Sent: F r i d a y , August 01, 2 0 0 3 9 : 3 4 AM
To: m k a r a @ 9 - l l c o m m i s s i o n . g o v
Cc: dhyde@9-llcoramission.gov
S u b j e c t : redactions
Where do we stand on the NORAD document t h a t had ( u n e x p l a i n e d ) r e d a c t i o n s ? I

notice in the press clips today t h a t DOD claims that t h e y h a v e n ' t redacted
a n y t h i n g in the documents they have given to u s .
Miles Kara
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: Clarification - Doc Request #4, Item 16 (b) (FOUO)
NORAD NI10-37, 21 March 1996, Operations. Long Title NORAD PLANNING AND REQUIREMENTS
SYSTEM (NPRS) top of page 2.
MK
Original Message
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:04 PM
Cc: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-USDI; Corson, Faith, CTR, OSD-NII
Subject: Clarification - Doc Request #4, Item 16 (b) (FOUO)
Miles,
The Joint Staff/NORAD are not familiar with a "Requirements Review Report." Can you please
provide any kind of description which could help us to pin down the document. Thanks. Pat
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Exemption(s) may apply.
Miles Kara
From: Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-C3I [Pat.Downs@osd.mil]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:31 PM
To: 'mkara@9-11commission.gov'
Subject: FW: Interviews (U)
UNCLASSIFIED
> Original Message

> From: Aly, Stewart, Mr, DoD OGC
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:32 PM
> To: 'mkara@9-llcommission.gov'
> Cc: 'Dallas.Stone@HILL.af.mil'; 'Lanny.Clelland@HILL.af.mil';
> 'Bradley.Bell@HILL.af.mil'; Downs, Pat, Ms, OSD-C3I; Deitz, Robert,
> Mr, DoD OGC; Dalton, William, Mr, DoD OGC
> Subject: Interviews
> Miles:
> This email reflects our understanding of what you have asked for and
> sets out the procedure for responding to your request.
> Stew
> This confirms our discussion with Mr. Clelland, Mr. Stone and Major
> Bell concerning the request by Mr. Kara of the staff of the National
> Commission on Terrorist Attacks to interview Mr. Stone and Mr.
> Clelland. As we discussed, the interview is subject to the following
> ground rules :
> 1. Mr. Kara should contact Major Bradley Bell at 801-777-6757 to

> arrange for the interview. Major Bell will be present, either in
> person or by telephone, during the interview. He may raise objections
> to any questions which go beyond the scope of the these ground rules.
> 2. The purpose of the interview is to provide technical information

> to Mr. Kara regarding the radar data we have provided to the
> Commission staff. Mr.
> Kara will ask technical questions about the interpretation of the data,
> methods of presenting it and the software which is required to process and
> display the data. Examples: various possibilities for showing the
> position
> and movement of aircraft included in the data, the significance of any
> particular item or category of data, or what the data regarding any
> specific
> aircraft reveals about its identification or position.
> 3. Responses to Mr. Kara's question may include explanations of the

> data and various ways of presenting it in chart or other formats. DoD
> personnel will not speculate about matters that may be inferred, or
> may not be inferred, from the data.
> 4. If Mr. Kara requires additional information after the conclusion

> of this interview, he should contact Major Bell. Any subsequent
> interviews should be conducted under these ground rules, with the
> possible exception that Major Bell's presence may not be required for
> some interviews.
>

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Dana Hyde

Another e-mail sent from home

Forwarded message from "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>

I'll talk to her again on Friday.

End forwarded message

Forwarded message from "" <mkara@9-llcommission.gov>

Will we be better off coming up Sunday afternoon to allow enuf time?

FYI, we have a Commission requirement to tape our interviews.

Quoting "Blaney, Kacey" <BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil>:

End forwarded message

Miles--please see e-mail below. Thanks. R/Janet

> Original Message

From: Blaney, Kacey [BlaneyK@neads.ang.af.mil]

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

One last time, just to make sure you got it. MK

Janet, this didn't get to you the first time.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

Pat, good morning, thanks for candid report on this issue.

No, we didn't have time in New England to dine on lobsters.

FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY

Phil, Miles, Dana,

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11 commission.gov]

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

She didn't give you a color copy? R/Janet

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

Subject: RE: NEADS visit update I

My contact info is phone: 202 401-1648, home| |cell (mostly on)] I

Dear Mr. Kara,

Please let your needs as soon as possible.

Kacey Blaney, Lt Col

NEADS Executive Officer

Richard, thanks for kind offer.

I'm breaking in a new cell phone, 850-867-0388.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

Janet, here's the problem.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

..... Original Message -----

Thanks for your coordination effort.

Great response time!! MK

Good to go, for now. MK

OK, thanks. What about the Col Scott question? R/Janet

Presume you mean the 3 119th pilots, one of.

Presume you mean the 3 119th pilots, one of.

Janet, per my earlier phonecon, we have the Andrews strips.

Miles—Andrews Tower is an FAA facility. If the Commission requires a written explanation

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-1 1commission.gov]

Miles—Andrews Tower is an FAA facility. If the Commission requires a written explanation

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

Janet, as I alluded to in an earlier conversation, we need NORAD to expeditiously supply the

Thanks for your continued responsiveness.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

Again, thanks for continued support and have a pleasant weekend.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]

There is, so far, nothing antecedent that links to that entry.

From: Miles Kara [mailto:mkara@9-llcommission.gov]

Janet, per our phone conversation here is a summary for planning

As we discussed, we have other Commission staff interested in

Back to NEADS, we need to pin down who is still there or locally

interacted; learn how data was received, displayed, and interpreted,

Scope established above is a start point. We will follow additional

Thanks for your coordination effort.

From: Miles Kara [mkara@9-11commission.gov]