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"# %&'()*'+
abouL an hour ago LdlLed
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lS neLwork SLeerlng CommlLLee message Lhey've [usL emalled ouL.
uear comrades,
Some of you may have seen, on lacebook and elsewhere, LhaL Lhere has
been a serlous dlsagreemenL breaklng ouL ln some parLs of Lhe neLwork
recenLly. 1hree members, lncludlng a sLeerlng commlLLee member,
engaged ln a long argumenL wlLh a number of people, lncludlng a number
of black 8S21 and lS neLwork members regardlng "race play", and many
felL, lncludlng an overwhelmlng ma[orlLy of sLeerlng commlLLee members,
LhaL Lhelr oplnlons on Lhe sub[ecL were deeply problemaLlc wlLh regards Lo
raclal and gender pollLlcs, and furLher Lhan Lhelr Lone and meLhod of
handllng crlLlclsm was noL ln keeplng wlLh Lhe splrlL of allowlng people Lo
challenge Lhelr own oppresslon.
lurLhermore, you may have seen clrculaLlng among 8S21 and lS neLwork
members a dlscusslon beLween some lS neLwork members, lncludlng Lwo
sLeerlng commlLLee members, abouL plans Lo leave Lhe neLwork and [oln
8S21. Whlle Lhls ls a plLy, and a fallure on our parL ln some respecLs glven
LhaL we have a responslblllLy Lo all our members, we hope LhaL any such a
move can be done ln as amlcable and fraLernal way as posslble. CharloLLe 8,
one of Lhose sLeerlng commlLLee members, has reslgned already, so we felL
Lhe need Lo lnform members as we don'L wanL Lo hlde such dlsagreemenLs.
1o be clear, CharloLLe was noL lnvolved ln any of Lhe argumenLs abouL race-
play referred Lo above, buL Lhls was Lhe conLexL ln whlch Lhese dlvlslons
came Lo llghL.
We remaln commlLLed Lo full Lransparency, and Lhe rlghL of mlnorlLles ln
Lhe neLwork Lo express dlsagreemenLs. We hope LhaL oLher parLlclpanLs ln
LhaL dlscusslon wlll remaln ln Lhe neLwork, and we welcome a recenL
plaLform documenL whlch hopefully wlll allow Lhese dlscusslons and
debaLes Lo be conducLed openly and ln a serlous and comradely manner.

lS neLwork SLeerlng CommlLLee
(Magple C dlssenLed from Lhe above message and dld noL supporL lLs
clrculaLlon)

,&-.*/."+ 0.11 CommenLs comrades ?
abouL an hour ago Llke

23"+ 45067& 4589:*'(: WhaL ls lL you mean by race play? Am l mlsslng
someLhlng?
abouL an hour ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ 1he sLaLemenL seems a falr and accuraLe summaLlon of
whaL has happened. l hope Lhe laLform sLops fucklng abouL, sLarLlng
argumenLs abouL secondary sLuff and sLarLs acLlng llke a proper facLlon, so
we can geL our LeeLh sLuck lnLo a proper debaLe.
abouL an hour ago Llke 8

4"// ,'11.+* Lvan, you don'L wanL Lo know
abouL an hour ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ Lvan - apparenLly Lhere's a Lhlng called 'race-play' where
people play raclsL klnky sex games. 1hls ls no doubL a horrlble
slmpllflcaLlon, buL LhaL's whaL lL appears Lo be.
abouL an hour ago Llke 3

;"( <65=1:> 1haL [usL ralses more quesLlons Lhan lL answers. Pow could
"race-play" come up ln Lhe flrsL place??? lL's supposed Lo be a pollLlcal
group noL some sorL of feLlsh parLy for Cod's sake!!! lease can someone
posL a llnk Lo Lhe orlglnal conversaLlons?
abouL an hour ago Llke 1

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> you don'L wanL Lo see Lhem lL's all a masslve wasLe of
Llme
abouL an hour ago Llke 2

;"( <65=1:> 1haL's preclsely why l wanL Lo see Lhem - lf people are wasLlng
Llme on Lhese Loplcs l wanL Lo know who and why.
abouL an hour ago Llke

@"3""A 81.)''- "klnky sex games" ls preLLy good. 8uL ld go "klnky sex romp"
for full polnLs
abouL an hour ago Llke 2

;/6"-/ ,"1/'+ l LhoughL Lhey were qulLe lnLeresLlng dlscusslons, Lo be
honesL. 1hey goL nasLy preLLy qulckly Lhough. Whlch, glven Lhe Loplc and
Lhe medlum, probably lsn'L LhaL much of a surprlse...
abouL an hour ago Llke 3

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> 100 years ago Lhe Su spllL over war credlLs and WWl.
Loday Lhe 1roL lefL spllLs over 8uSM. *slow claps*
abouL an hour ago Llke 10

4"// ,'11.+* 8oLh cases feaLure worklng class people belng bruLallsed... l'll
geL my coaL
39 mlnuLes ago Llke 3

;/6"-/ ,"1/'+ Well, lL was abouL sex, race and consenL really, Charlle, as
much as lL was "over 8uSM". WhaLever you Lhlnk of Lhe way Lhe dlscusslon
was conducLed and whaL was sald, Lhose *are* Lhlngs worLh argulng abouL,
aren'L Lhey?
37 mlnuLes ago Llke 3

;1.( <-6+A"7: 1he argumenL Lhls week was abouL 8uSM, buL LhaL ls noL aL
Lhe rooL of any spllL, merely a manlfesLaLlon of someLhlng LhaL has been
runnlng for much longer and has caused a loL of grlef and Lears along Lhe
way.
36 mlnuLes ago LdlLed Llke 4

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> sure lL's worLh dlscusslng - surely Lhe whole lesson
learnL from LhaL Lhread ls LhaL Lhe organlsaLlon was lncapable of conducLlng
such a dlscusslon?
36 mlnuLes ago Llke 4

;1.( <-6+A"7: l belleve Lhe organlsaLlon *ls* capable of such a dlscusslon. l
probably wouldn'L choose facebook as Lhe besL place Lo conducL lL, Lhough
34 mlnuLes ago Llke 3

!"# %&'()*'+ Well, lL wasn'L 'Lhe organlsaLlon' havlng Lhe dlscusslon Lo be
falr, lL was a handful of people from Lwo or Lhree organlsaLlons rowlng on
facebook, some of whom have an ablllLy Lo plss everybody rlghL off wlLh
Lhelr arrogance. l'm preLLy sure Lhe branch of lS neLwork whlch l aLLend
could qulLe happlly dlscuss Lhls ln a consLrucLlve way.
33 mlnuLes ago Llke 2

4"// ,'11.+* l feel a podcasL comlng on...?
32 mlnuLes ago Llke 4

!"# %&'()*'+ lL's whaL Lhe publlc wanLs.
31 mlnuLes ago Llke 8

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> lL wasn'L Lhe organlsaLlon on Lhe 1sL Lhread, on Lhe
second lL may as well have been and from all Lhe sLeerlng commlLLee
pronouncemenLs lL now essenLlally *ls*...
31 mlnuLes ago Llke

B"3.A @"(.:*'+ sLupld - sLupld behavlor. ls Lhls all abouL LhaL fucklng sLupld
human chalr shlL? SLupld.
30 mlnuLes ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ Llke Sllm sald Lhough, Lhere ls a wlder conLexL, whlch ls
really abouL much more Lhan Lhls. 1here's a fundamenLal dlfference of
oplnlon wlLhln Lhe organlsaLlon over quesLlons of sLraLegy. Some of us wanL
LhaL argumenL had ouL ln full. My blggesL concern ls LhaL people leave Lo
[oln 8S21, dolng as much damage as Lhey can, wlLhouL acLually havlng an
argumenL ln Lhe open.
48 mlnuLes ago Llke 4

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> l agree wlLh you maLe, and l've never been a fan of
Seymour's lnformal facLlon. LhaL sald, ln relaLlon Lo Lhe way Lhls parLlcular
debaLe has escalaLed l Lhlnk Lhere are lssues of conducL on boLh sldes of Lhe
dlvlde. Lhe 2nd Lhread can'L have been necessary lmo - Lhe whole Lhlng ls
[usL a dlsmal specLacle and belng conducLed ln publlc Loo. hlghly
demorallzlng for all of us looklng on
43 mlnuLes ago Llke 1

4"// ,'11.+* Whlch ls Lhe second Lhread?
44 mlnuLes ago Llke

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> 1sL was Lhe debaLe, Lhe second was essenLlally a call
ouL Lhread from a sLeerlng commlLLee member
43 mlnuLes ago Llke

C-"&"( <"1(:- lacebook lsn'L deslgned for serlous debaLe - on any
quesLlon - and uslng lL raLher Lhan old school *publlc* webslLes or forums ls
a dlsasLer walLlng Lo happen. As lL seems Lo wlLh regularlLy.
43 mlnuLes ago Llke 1

4"// ,'11.+* 1he 'when you sLrlke my comrades you sLrlke me' one?
43 mlnuLes ago Llke 1

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> no, Lhere's probably several now. l'm Lalklng abouL Lhe
'when l'm ln a dlscusslon and every black person lnvolved says l'm belng
raclsL l shuL up and llsLen' one
41 mlnuLes ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ reLLy demorallslng for me and all Lo be honesL. l wanL Lo
argue abouL Lhe Lrade unlons, or lefL unlLy, or anLl-fasclsm, noL abouL
conducL, anaLhemalsaLlaLlon or whaLever Lhe fuck. and l'm a LroLskylsL of
Lhe old model - Lhere's a Llme and a place for lnLernal debaLes, and Lhe lS
neLwork suffers from noL havlng LhaL.
39 mlnuLes ago LdlLed Llke 4

!"# %&'()*'+ Charlle's Lalklng abouL 1lm's well [udged excurslon lnLo Lhe
dlscusslon, MaLL.
40 mlnuLes ago Llke

B"3.A @"(.:*'+ az your answer Lo everyLhlng ls more democracy and
Lransparency. 1he lSn ls probably Lhe mosL democraLlc and LransparenL
body ln Lhe uk - and Lo whaL end? ?ou glve lefLwlng people democracy and
all Lhey do wlLh lL ls have a braln-dead argumenL abouL a human chalr.
37 mlnuLes ago Llke 2

,&"-1.: ?.+*/"+1:> he acLually [usL argued for less LransparenL closed
dlscusslons Lbf
37 mlnuLes ago Llke

B"3.A @"(.:*'+ closed dlscusslon - whaLs LhaL? All dlscusslons abouL
human chalrs should be closed, or noL happenlng aL all. 8ecause lLs abouL a
human chalr.
33 mlnuLes ago Llke

C-"&"( <"1(:- 1he problem ls LhaL fb ls nelLher closed or publlc and Lhe
demarcaLlon ls blurred.
33 mlnuLes ago Llke 1

8+A-:. <"-1'9 unforLunaLely, Lhls ls all far Loo llLLle far Lo laLe. 1he lSn has
allowed behavlour of leadlng members go far beyond whaL was accepLable
for Loo long.
33 mlnuLes ago Llke

8+A-:. <"-1'9 l flnd lL lncredlble Lo be honesL, LhaL some ln Lhe lSn, ever
had Lhe LemerlLy Lo aLLack a group llke Lhe lSC, on lL's record of democracy,
and how "Lop down" lL ls. (a group LhaL acLually has no sLeerlng
commlLLee/leadershlp body).
32 mlnuLes ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ Who ever argued LhaL? l've never heard LhaL. l've heard
crlLlclsms of Lhem because of Lhelr closeness Lo CounLerflre, LhaL's qulLe
common. 8uL never abouL Lhelr organlsaLlon. lf anyLhlng, a loL of us LhaL seL
up Lhe neLwork had a loL of Llme for Lhe comrades up Lhere.
29 mlnuLes ago LdlLed Llke 1

8+A-:. <"-1'9 l have heard and seen many crlLlclsms, LhaL Lhey were
undemocraLlc. l remember Lrylng Lo explaln Lo one lSner LhaL Lhey dldn'L
have Lhe same leadershlp sLrucLure as Cl, and weren'L ran by 8ambery,
whlch led Lo general aLLack on myself. Pow dare l suggesL a young Aslan
woman could be a leadlng member of Lhe lSC, lL [usL dldn'L flL lnLo Lhelr
vlslon of whaL lL oughL Lo be!
28 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ LeL me geL Lhls sLralghL, Lhe lSn SLeerlng CommlLLee are
golng Lo censor people for defendlng 'race play', as Lhey are
raclsL/defendlng raclsm? um, so anyone who obllges Lhelr glrlfrlend by
calllng her a 'sluL' ln bed (leL's noL preLend Lhere aren'L some people who
wanL LhaL), are also sexlsL? um. WhaL Lhe absoluLe fuck.

1here ls a loL more Lo be unpacked abouL why people engage ln cerLaln
sexual pracLlces, mosLly abouL sub[ecLlvlLy and noL pollLlcal lnfluence (sex ls
psychlc don'L you know...!), buL of course has pollLlcal lnLeracLlon Loo
(Lhough maybe noL ouLwardly ln lnfluence. ollLlcal lesblanlsm eLc), buL
[esus, Lhls ls such a crude analysls/move.
24 mlnuLes ago LdlLed Llke 2

!"# %&'()*'+ l've noL really heard LhaL much sald abouL Lhem. My only
crlLlclsm l've had ls Lhelr poslLlon on McCluskey/Plcks whlch l dlsagreed
wlLh. l always goL on wlLh Chrls 8 and LhoughL lL was a LravesLy when Lhe
swp losL Lhe ScoLLlsh comrades. eople llke chrls, ben, shaffy eLc. were
brllllanL. l doubL mosL engllsh comrades could really know much abouL lSC
Lo commenL Lo be honesL.
23 mlnuLes ago Llke

8+A-:. <"-1'9 lalr commenLs, and ln al honesLy no Lhey don'L, buL many
feel happy Loo.
21 mlnuLes ago Llke

;/:3:+ 211.* l don'L Lhlnk anyone has censored anyone else.
20 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ ?es, LhaL's why lL says 'golng Lo'.
20 mlnuLes ago Llke

%'+. 4">'++".*: Ch Andrel as somebody who defended you durlng LhaL
debaLe, l can flrmly sLaLe LhaL dld noL happen. CeL a grlp comrade.
19 mlnuLes ago Llke

;/:3:+ 211.* Well ln LhaL case l don'L Lhlnk anyone ls plannlng Lo censor
anyone else.
19 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ l've heard very dlfferenL.
18 mlnuLes ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ l Lhlnk Lhe SC censorlng people should've begun long ago,
and been compleLely lndlscrlmlnaLe.
18 mlnuLes ago Llke 1

;/:3:+ 211.* lease share whaL you've heard !en and lf lL lnvolves censorshlp
l'll argue agalnsL lL.
17 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ Ch, very funny, buL l am dyslexlc. censure ls Lhe correcL
word! A moLlon of censure
17 mlnuLes ago Llke

8+A-:. <"-1'9 1onl, Lhere were loLs of Lhreads where Lhe lSC have been
menLloned from lSn members. l refer Lo a dlfferenL occaslon. l appreclaLed
your supporL, lf you wlsh Lo call, Lhen call.
17 mlnuLes ago Llke

;/:3:+ 211.* Sorry, genulnely LhoughL you meanL censor. reLLy sure we
won'L be censurlng anyone elLher
13 mlnuLes ago Llke

%'+. 4">'++".*: ?es buL you and l spoke aL lengLh aL Lhe crlLlclsms belng
levelled aL you and Lhe lSC. ?ou're wlldly mlsrepresenLlng an argumenL.
13 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ ls Lhere a moLlon of censure belng puL Lhough? cos LhaL's
whaL l heard.
14 mlnuLes ago Llke

!"# %&'()*'+ l LhoughL you acLually meanL censor as well !ennlfer.
Someone wlLh my lack of conLrol of Lhe Lngllsh language would never dare
Lake Lhe plss ouL of people's language/spelllng.

lor Lhe record l'm agalnsL censurlng anyone.
14 mlnuLes ago Llke

@:++.D:- E#""=*'+ ls Lhls moLlon of censure [usL a rumour Lhen, buL noL
acLually happenlng?
13 mlnuLes ago Llke

;/:3:+ 211.* no. lL has been suggesLed buL lL lsn'L golng Lo happen.
13 mlnuLes ago Llke

;/:3:+ 211.* 1here's no moLlon. 1he ldea of censure was brlefly dlscussed,
and re[ecLed
12 mlnuLes ago Llke 2

F"11> F'-A uamned lf we do, damned lf we don'L sprlngs Lo mlnd.
8 mlnuLes ago Llke


B.5= C-:7'-> uon'L leL pollce ln Lhe bedroom. 8uL lf someone wanLs you Lo
fuck Lhem llke a plg, LhaL's dandy.
6 mlnuLes ago Llke

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