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anutensil TheSkyNet Skuld ...and 3 more 2550 Samsung could have bought Android before Google, but instead chose to laugh Andy Rubin out of the boardroom with his offer and the whole 8-person Android team. (hacksandstuff.com) submitted 6 hours ago by lubajohn 527 comments share top 200 commentsshow 500 sorted by: best [ ]RollingGoron 1110 points 4 hours ago From what I've seen, the original Android idea is nothing like what we have toda y. It was suppose to be similar to a Blackberry style that could be used on a du mb phones/full keyboard phones to help improve the app writing process since the re were 100s of unique OSs. It wasn't until they saw the iPhone demo that they s crapped what they had and made an OS similar to the iPhone. So it's a good thing Samsung didn't buy the original Android OS because it would have probably turned out terrible. permalink [ ]solidsnakem9 407 points 3 hours ago Yup and it's also a good thing Samsung didn't, because they probably wouldn't ha ve made it as open source and widespread as it is, Google can afford to just giv e it away for free and has their search and user base to get their benefits. But Samsung would have just turned it into their own OS and there would be no point in them buying it. permalink parent [ ]davasaurous 328 points 3 hours ago Samsung is a hardware company. So glad they aren't in control of the OS on their devices. Have you seen their software? Oh god. I'm sitting here covered in vomi t just thinking about it permalink parent [ ]nothing_clever 164 points 3 hours ago Hey... you should clean that up. permalink parent

[ ]Rock2MyBeat 91 points 3 hours ago Yeah, who the fuck just sits in vomit? permalink parent [ ]-Badger- 68 points 3 hours ago thatsmyfetish.gif permalink parent [ ]NotAnAI 14 points 1 hour ago Hey... you should clean that up. permalink parent [ ]Mysteyk 7 points 1 hour ago There's nothing wrong with it. Sick of you people imposing your shit on us. permalink parent load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [ ]evictor 12 points 3 hours ago Some cats. permalink parent [ ]Lubrikant72 5 points 2 hours ago Why can't I stop watching? Why? permalink parent [ ]CirakJoules 4 points 1 hour ago A yt 2 gfycat bot would be nice, methinks permalink parent [ ]vivazenith 5 points 2 hours ago ?_? permalink parent

[ ]CreepySmileBot 10 points 2 hours ago ??? permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [ ]seewhaticare 6 points 2 hours ago Jim Morrison permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]Smirk27 3 points 2 hours ago Don't tell me how to live my life permalink parent load more comments (8 replies) [ ]purpleglory 76 points 3 hours ago The vomit is pre-installed and you can't remove it from Samsung phones. permalink parent [ ]vvf 32 points 2 hours ago Hey, it's a feature called S Vomit and I used it a couple times. permalink parent [ ]CUNT_PUNCHER_9000 5 points 2 hours ago It's all the other shit too. I have a N5 and I use a S4 for work - why the eff d oes it come with a bunch of stupid games installed on it? permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]DracoAzuleAA 3 points 2 hours ago There's plenty of custom ROMs that come without the bloatware. And it's also pre tty easy to remove it on a stock ROM as well. You just have to root it. Yeah the first thing I did when I got my S3 was root it and take off all the bul lshit.

permalink parent [ ]markowalski 10 points 2 hours ago The problem is that is very hard for most consumers to do. Cyanogenmod is doing a great job of fixing this but it's still limited to a lot of phones. permalink parent [ ]doree 28 points 2 hours ago There's plenty of blah blah blah that come without the blah blah blah, and i t's also pretty easy to remove the blah blah blah, you just have to blah blah bl ah. How the vast majority of consumers would read that post permalink parent [ ]superluvmuffins 5 points 1 hour ago That's pretty much me, and I am an IT professional. Lol I'm typing this on a 201 4 Edition Note 10.1 which I'm considering taking back to the store due to such a poor user experience. I have to fix servers and routers all day, so why should I have to "fix" my own devices before really getting to use them?! At home, I'm just superluvmuffins, an everyday consumer who wants his phone and tablet to just work. Is it really too much to ask? permalink parent load more comments (4 replies) [ ]DracoAzuleAA 3 points 2 hours ago Well Apple just keeps things simple by not putting bloatware on their phones in the first place. Which is why I've always said Android is for people who actually know how to use it. iPhone is for everyone else. permalink parent [ ]Schonke 9 points 1 hour ago Yeah, they save the bloatware for the computer instead! permalink parent [ ]Clack082 7 points 1 hour ago Fucking itunes, the only program that gets slower with every single update.

permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (9 replies) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) [ ]ModerateBias 10 points 2 hours ago i used samsungs version of android once... since i was coming from an iphone fir st generation to ice cream sandwhich, i thought it was amazing. Then I used an LG phone, and I wondered how samsung even stays in business. permalink parent [ ]opethfan 12 points 2 hours ago LG are one of those companies that can show the world that they can build a very nice phone when they put their all into it, but then a few moments of bleh seep through and kinda kill the momentum. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [ ]Rope_And_Chair 18 points 2 hours ago Kies. FUCKING KIES. permalink parent [ ]DaveBowman 3 points 1 hour ago Thies. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [ ]gaspoweredandroid 21 points 2 hours ago Just look at the iPhone analysis document that got them taken to court. Their co mments on every feature show that they were completely clueless before looking a t the iPhone. permalink parent

[ ]SaddestClown 6 points 3 hours ago They are still working on their possible Android replacement though. Their own s kin they put on Android is loved by some and hated by others. permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 37 points 3 hours ago* I don't know anyone who actually "loves" samsung's UI. Their features are awesome. Their UI is just disgusting. Edit: apparently some people like touchwiz. I don't get it. To me it looks like it's still stuck back in the days of gingerbread. But, I guess different strokes and whatnot. permalink parent [ ]segagamer 2 points 1 hour ago There's certain things that make touchwiz a bit more nicer to use than the stock android launcher. My initial move from an S2 to a Galaxy Nexus was disappointin g at best. Ended up replacing the launcher until they added some almost necessar y features. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [ ]davasaurous 2 points 3 hours ago Tell that to my shoes. They'll never be the same. permalink parent [ ]joyconspiracy 1 point 3 hours ago You aught try slam poetry if you don't already. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]a_shootin_star 3 points 2 hours ago Don't forget that you have hundreds of side-apps that are constantly running on the phone to keep it in check. This is hardly ever talked about, but not even 4 weeks ago there was a post about it and how unregulated this is. permalink parent

[ ]cuteman 1 point 1 hour ago Even their hardware sales reps admit their software sucks. Their TV OS is getting pretty good, but still. permalink parent load more comments (22 replies) [ ]purecussion 3 points 3 hours ago How does Google get profit if it's open source? permalink parent [ ]Rindan 51 points 2 hours ago Two ways: First, you do have to pay for Google Play (i.e. the store), gmail, etc. You can install Android on a phone, and I have done it, but by default it comes without a big part of what makes a phone OS worth having. So, if you are going to make a n Android phone and you are going to sell it as full featured, you are going to pay a small fee to get the whole Android eco system. Second, and honestly I think this is the most important bit, it lets Google cont rol the emerging market to prevent it from morphing into something that kills th em. If Apple had entirely won the smart phone wars, Google would be seeing its m arket share leveling off. If a non-trivial portion of people access Internet fro m smart phones, and Apple (or MS) is the gate keeper, they can shut out Google. Apple can change the default search engine, control browser standards, and reall y start to reshape the face of the Internet. With Google in control of Android, they can't be shut out, and they have enough market share that the Internet isn' t going to be reshaped without their tacit approval. Because the mobile revolution is partially controlled by Google, you see lots of cloud stuff, open standards, and search as being main features, which are all g ood things for Google. Because Apple had a hand in it too, we see the iTunes lik e app stores and a strong hardware focus, which are all good and very profitable things for Apple. You can look at MS as a company that failed to do what Google and Apple did. MS failed to get a hand in designing what the mobile revolution would look like, and as a result they are hurting badly in that space. When you look at the mobile revolution you see absolutely nothing contributed from MS oth er than a little inertia from Windows. So while Google makes some straight up cash on Android by selling play, I think the real key is that Google has positioned themselves to shape the future of the Internet and make sure that they don't look like MS. Making Android open source and controlling the project means that Android is virulently prolific. They don 't make anywhere near as much per device as Apple does, but they have so many de vices with their software that they exercise vast amounts of control. permalink parent [ ]purecussion 7 points 2 hours ago

Ah, power over money. I like it permalink parent [ ]LedgeMonkey 6 points 1 hour ago Francis Underwood would approve. permalink parent load more comments (4 replies) [ ]ggggbabybabybaby 16 points 2 hours ago Google doesn't directly make money off Android. It's part of a much larger strat egy for them to get everyone using Google services for everything. permalink parent [ ]The_Drizzle_Returns 7 points 2 hours ago Google doesn't directly make money off Android. Depends on what you mean by directly. You can use the base OS for free but if yo u want any of the google app's (Gmail, Google Maps, Google Play store, etc) you have to pay (if you are a phone manufacturer through getting the device "Certifi ed"). http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/23/how-google-controls-androids-o pen-source permalink parent [ ]Slotos 7 points 3 hours ago By enforcing a proprietary Google Play ecosystem, that actually makes android in to system many people use and like. You're free to ignore the enforcement as a phone manufacturer, but good luck get ting any market share. permalink parent [ ]PartyboobBoobytrap 9 points 2 hours ago Or you are Amazon and can ignore your entire comment. permalink parent [ ]Hatessomedefaultsubs 7 points 2 hours ago Weeell, not actually ignore, as that decision (to use a fork of Android as its O S and ignore the Google ecosystem default apps) means a lot of annoyances for Am

azon: no access to Google Play, no access to any of the apps and improvements ma de by Google to Android (and which, more and more have become the things that ha ve distinguished new versions of Android rather than improvements to the base An droid OS), and, most importantly, no member of the OHSA (which includes any manu facturer you see making a mainstream "official" Android phone) being allowed to build devices with your OS. So that means they need to go directly to the likes of Qanta (who, being a supplier of many of the majors) don't need to be a part o f the OHSA themselves. However, that means you lose and need to develop for your self a lot of the expertise in building an actual end user device that you could have saved by actually getting LG/Samsung/... to design your device. Additionally, that means that unless you have an existing ecosystem ready to riv al Google Play (including millions-app appstore, bookstore, musicstore), you pre tty much can't piggyback onto the existing ecosystem for a while while you build those things. Realistically, that means the only companies that have any shot a t it seem to be Apple, Google and Amazon. As a side note, given the fact that only Amazon itself will ever be making FireO S devices, and the cost associated with making and launching such a device (not for nothing it cost them losses on each device sold the first few years, not sur e whether they actually make anything on the devices nowadays), and Amazon's lac k of "excess profits" in other parts of its business, I'm more of the opinion th at the jury is still somewhat out on the whole FireOS experiment. permalink parent [ ]mcrbids 2 points 1 hour ago I won't buy a Kindle because I want Google Play. Instead, I install the Kindle a pp on my other devices. permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [ ]vinnl 2 points 1 hour ago It's not that open source... permalink parent [ ]myusernameranoutofsp 3 points 3 hours ago Then someone else would have made an open-source operating system for mobile dev ices. permalink parent [ ]Tetereteeee 4 points 55 minutes ago

But would it have had any mainstream success? Or would it be like the Linux desk top? Not even 2 percent market share after twenty years. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (32 replies) [ ]IMAHORSIE 25 points 3 hours ago I read something similar to this in the korean paper a couple months ago. The sa msung ceo was asked if he has any regrets for rejecting the idea of android and he said no because if they had acquired android, it probably wouldn't have been the same. He said that it may or may not have had the same success. His ideology was pretty eyeopening because people always regret doing things after the see o ther peoples success and question themselves what if I did that. But in reality if they did do "it", it probably wouldn't have been the same. Sorry if it doesnt make sense. permalink parent [ ]stephj 7 points 1 hour ago It males a while lot of sense, and that was very cool of the guy to say that And roid would not have been the same. permalink parent [ ]Dugen 54 points 3 hours ago* Android was planning on, and working towards building the modern style of Androi d before the iPhone was announced, but had no hardware to work with and vendor b uy in was hard to come by. The focus shifted when the iPhone was announced since suddenly vendors understood. A phone with a touchscreen, code-named Dream, that had been in the early sta ges of development, became the focus. Its launch was pushed out a year until fal l 2008. Engineers started drilling into it all the things the iPhone didn t do to differentiate their phone when launch day did occur. (source) Also, osnews had further clarification to offer on the subject. permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 17 points 3 hours ago* fall 2008. Wait. So we went from this to this in a little over five years?? holy shit. I mean, look at these specs! What are they going to do in another five years??

Edit: I fucking get it!! You all hate the Oppo N1. I like it. There's no reason to get in an argument. Seriously. Chill the fuck out, you're totally missing my point that we went from a 528MHz processor to (apparently the Nexus 5 has) a 2.2 GHz quad-core? I mean, that's better than what a similarly-priced laptop would h ave. permalink parent [ ]wardogsq 29 points 2 hours ago Where have you been the last five years? permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 13 points 2 hours ago I just didn't realize that it had only been five years. I thought it had been mo re like 8. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]Drigr 6 points 2 hours ago Phones in our brains. permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 3 points 2 hours ago Unlikely. permalink parent [ ]ThaBomb 9 points 2 hours ago Why did you choose the N1 of all phones? Could have picked a Nexus 5 or iPhone 5 S... permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 3 points 2 hours ago Because it's the phone that I want. It has a 6 inch screen, the camera is 13mp a nd flips both ways, comes with stock android and unlocked boot loader to dual-bo ot cyanogenmod, 1.7GHz quad core, the works. Looking back, I didn't realize the n5 had such a good processor, it's actually p retty nice. I was comparing android to android, that's why I didn't use iPhone, besides, the 5s is a fucking joke. permalink

parent [ ]-FUCKTHATCUNT 5 points 1 hour ago The 5s doesn't have a moveable camera as a selling point. Which one is the joke? permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 5 points 1 hour ago I think the moveable camera is kind of cool. permalink parent load more comments (6 replies) [ ]wrath_of_grunge 4 points 1 hour ago the camera is gimmicky and will break if used much. how often do you actually fa ce chat? it'd have been better to mount the good camera on the back and use a 2. 0mp on the front. its not like you're going to use a front facing 13mp camera at full resolution that often. do any of the face chat programs even support that high of a resolution? what's the bandwidth even gonna look like at that high of a resolution? stable enough to keep a steady frame rate? permalink parent [ ]Recalesce 8 points 1 hour ago Some people really like their selfies. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [ ]sobodash 3 points 2 hours ago ... I actually kind of like the phone on the left more. permalink parent [ ]nicbrown 2 points 16 minutes ago The iPhone 5s benchmarks the pretty much same as a top of the line Macbook Pro f rom 2008. Android or iPhone, the current flagship phones are entirely credible computing d evices that happen to fit in our pockets. So to answer your question, look at any current high end laptop. permalink parent

load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (6 replies) [ ]PartyboobBoobytrap 7 points 2 hours ago And added some thing like a 3 way accelerometer, or do you think that would have happened anyway? The initial capacitive touch screens were inaccurate and immature. Either it was rushed, or they didn't attempt to make it quality. Either choice is not a good one. Android reacted to the iPhone in many ways. permalink parent [ ]borch_is_god 5 points 3 hours ago Android was planning on, and working towards building the modern style of An droid before the iPhone was announced, but had no hardware to work with and vend or buy in was hard to come by. The focus shifted when the iPhone was announced s ince suddenly vendors understood. Vendors actually understood, but few were willing to invest in the newly availab le tech. Prior art had been established long before with Palm PDAs that had cell accessories (not to mention the IBM Simon of the early 1990s), and the LG Prada (which the original Iphone remarkably resembles) was winning design awards long before the Iphone was announced. Of course, Onyx was developing a smart phone p rior to the Iphone, and Apple bought them. Apple just rushed-in to use extisting technology that others were starting to us e and bulldozed the market with their resources and cult of followers. permalink parent [ ]jargoon 14 points 2 hours ago I would argue that the majority of the "cult" joined up AFTER the iPhone came ou t. permalink parent [ ]posam 5 points 2 hours ago Everyone (everyone) had an ipod. permalink parent [ ]borch_is_god 2 points 1 hour ago A lot of people did, but not everyone (everyone). Of course, the Ipod was not the first mp3 player or object with that enclosure d esign, and the Ipod was not the first mp3 player with a hard drive.

permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (10 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [ ]jayd16 66 points 3 hours ago You misunderstand the story. Originally they had two phone form factors in devel opment, the Sooner and the Dream. The Sooner was more like a blackberry where as the Dream had a touchscreen. When the original iPhone was unveiled they dropped the Sooner and refocused ever ything on the Dream. permalink parent [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 6 points 3 hours ago It definitely would have turned out terrible. I mean, Samsung's current mods to Android are awful. How could they possibly have gotten it right without Google, when they couldn't get it right basing it off Google? permalink parent [ ]danielmontilla 34 points 4 hours ago Man, I have a Samsung phone and I agree with you. Touch whiz is just despicable. permalink parent [ ]jtide_2012 20 points 3 hours ago Touchwiz just keeps getting worse. (S3 - Android 4.3) permalink parent [ ]g-six 30 points 3 hours ago Thats why you flash Cyanogenmod or any other custom rom without touchwiz :-) Fee ls like a new phone. permalink parent [ ]teknoaddikt 4 points 3 hours ago I have a gs4, does this work as well? permalink

parent [ ]g-six 9 points 3 hours ago Of course. But please read about the topic. You can mess up your phone if you ar e not sure what you do! There is a lot of reading material online. Visit: www.xd a-developers.com permalink parent load more comments (15 replies) [ ]epicsaxophone 7 points 3 hours ago The learning curve to get familiar with everything is somewhat high, but the ben efits greatly outweigh the effort put in! permalink parent [ ]smokingskills 4 points 3 hours ago I flashed CyanogenMod 11 on my GS4. Great for customizing and tweaking but: The ROM drank battery. Friend had a similar issue on his GS3 where a non-Tou chWiz-based ROM reduced battery life between charges tremendously. Lost the amazing, amazing S4 camera. One of the two reasons I got an S4 over Nexus 4 - resale value and that low-light camera. Cyanogen is an AOSP ROM and will get you as close as possible to a raw google ex perience, but you just don't want to lose that camera. Try a ROM called Wanamlite. I'm running it right now for a 22-hour battery life on moderate-to-heavy usage. It removes a lot of Samsung bloatware and you can ea sily swap much of the TouchWiz experience with launchers and an app called Conta cts+ while still retaining DAT CAMERA! permalink parent [ ]Billy_jack 3 points 1 hour ago Christ. If you're having problems with the nightlies. Don't use nightlies. Use s table. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]teknoaddikt 3 points 3 hours ago Thanks for so much info! I got the SG S4 because of dat sweet sweet camera. I wi ll check those mods out. permalink parent load more comments (3 replies)

[ ]yer_momma 2 points 3 hours ago If you like bugs. Cyanogenmod is always a work in progress. Either the gps doesn 't work, or the camera, or some other strange issues. Plus radios and prl's don' t update with custom roms so you have to flash back to a stock rom every few mon ths. But if you care more about speed than reliability it's an option. permalink parent [ ]epicsaxophone 5 points 3 hours ago If he flashes a stable version he'll be fine. Just stay away from nighties and t he like. permalink parent [ ]waitingforpizza 2 points 3 hours ago I flashed cyanogen on my S4. works great, except the camera is a little weird. c ant zoom for some reason. volume buttons just take pictures. There is probably an update that will fix that by now. I need to update... permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]Burnaby 2 points 2 hours ago You can put a custom rom on nearly every Android, yes. Edit: though sometimes cyanogen won't have an official build for your model permalink parent [ ]Billy_jack 2 points 2 hours ago Yup I have a gs4 too running cm10.2 stable. Its glorious. permalink parent [ ]CentreForAnts 4 points 3 hours ago I had alway flashed my phones, got a S3 and decided to see how touchwiz was. Stu ck with it for a while wasn't to bad. Then phone got slow and decided to flash i t with CM, OMG i don't know why i didn't just flash it to begin with, CM is shit loads better then touchwiz permalink parent [ ]g-six 2 points 3 hours ago Yes. Did you try ART in 4.4? Even better! Ohh and I flashed mine on the day I go

t it. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]death-by_snoo-snoo 1 point 3 hours ago I can't, I have the GT-i9500. I can't even root, let alone get a custom ROM. I need rid of this phone so bad. permalink parent [ ]Burnaby 2 points 2 hours ago Maybe this will help with your routing problem. As for cyanogen, there are no of ficial builds for the i9500, but there are plenty of unofficial builds. You coul d also check for roms from AOKP or Paranoid Android permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [ ]DiseasedScrotum 6 points 4 hours ago TouchJizz permalink parent [ ]NotaLargeFarva 3 points 4 hours ago I get it. permalink parent [ ]DiseasedScrotum 4 points 3 hours ago There should be a /r/NexusMasterRace as well... permalink parent [ ]Zagorath 6 points 3 hours ago As a Nexus user (4 and 7) I'm really worried about the rumours that Google might discontinue the Nexus line in favour of their Play Store edition phones. I mean, sure you'll still get stock Android, but you won't get the super cheap p hones and updates won't be as fast. Plus, I gotta say I really like Nexus as a b rand.

permalink parent [ ]stephengee 2 points 45 minutes ago Hopefully Lenovo will pick up the nexus buying crowd by continuing the Moto X ty pe devices. Hard to believe those things are only a dual core with how smooth an d responsive they are. permalink parent [ ]epicsaxophone 2 points 3 hours ago There's a /r/androidmasterrace however. permalink parent [ ]person808 2 points 2 hours ago /r/androidcirclejerk permalink parent load more comments (11 replies) [ ]johndoe42 7 points 3 hours ago What's interesting to me is that they didn't need iOS to make that change. They could have seen Windows Mobile and gone "ok, we can work with that." The WM para digm could have been revolutionary had it been refined (in the end, iOS took the best parts of it, including the one-page contextual menus and icons for basic f unctions and basic productivity functions as well as making an app store that im proved on the wild west of downloading .cab files and configuring it to work). I was a WM evangelist in 2003 because of how far ahead it was (despite its clunki ness) - media player (yes, including shitty 15 second porn site previews), inter net browser, spreadsheet capabilities, mobile e-mail, web feeds, calendar functi ons, etc. It was strange being so ahead of the curve, being in a classroom in 20 04 playing NES roms while switching over to listening to hybrid theory. To stave off downvotes, I wasn't some elitist rich neckbeard, I was some pimply 12 year old who won one of these weird PDA devices in a contest and somehow afte r a lot of fiddling I was launched into a digital age that was literally five ye ars ahead of then. When I started hearing of devices having email and music I to tally went "so what?" Shit, even then I had music players that could play MIDI f iles (for all my video game tracks) which meant I could have a trillion songs fi tting under a megabyte, whereas even now its hard to find something like that. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]erwan 3 points 2 hours ago While I agree that Android back in the day had nothing to do with today's, and i t would never had gotten to the point out is now under Samsung, the idea that "A

ndroid was blackberry - like until they saw the iPhone" is wrong. It was designed to work on any form factor, and "just a big touch screen" alread y existed and was taken into account by Android. Other makers had prototypes, so me had actual products sold. Apple was the first to make such a success, that's why they're credited for it. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]lubajohn[S] 7 points 4 hours ago Second that! permalink parent [ ]Tennouheika 3 points 3 hours ago Seems like it would have been a perfect match. Samsung was making Blackberry clo nes at the time. Android was looking like a blackberry clone. Android and Samsun g both shifted to copy the iPhone. permalink parent load more comments (15 replies) [ ]internet_poster 64 points 4 hours ago Android wouldnt've become Android if Samsung had bought them instead of Google. permalink [ ]_PM_ME_YOUR_FEET_ 13 points 3 hours ago And now Samsung has developed Tizen to compete with Android and Google. But ever ybody laughs at Tizen. permalink parent [ ]BumWarrior69 9 points 3 hours ago And now Samsung has joined in on the laughing since it is rumored to shifting it s focus away from Tizen. permalink parent [ ]_PM_ME_YOUR_FEET_ 5 points 3 hours ago* Can you provide any sources on those rumors? The rumors I have seen indicate tha t Samsung is planning on announcing a Tizen product at MWC 2014. I also wouldn't be surprised if Samsung replaced Android with Tizen in their fla gship Galaxy S and Galaxy Note lines within the next couple of years.

Edit: Tizen is confirmed to be at MWC 2014. The Samsung ZEQ will be the first co mmercial phone with Tizen, leaked onto EBay last month but will make an official appearance at MWC 2014. Again, where do you see Samsung is pulling out of Tizen? Looks like it is growin g stronger to me. permalink parent [ ]69hailsatan 6 points 3 hours ago That would crush the android market. The s and note series are the only high end android phones that really sell in significant numbers permalink parent [ ]ploidZero 9 points 2 hours ago Maybe this will give way to HTC permalink parent [ ]PenguinHero 3 points 1 hour ago Lol. Not unless they figure out this thing called 'marketing'. permalink parent [ ]segagamer 7 points 1 hour ago It would also destroy Samsung's reputation, since non techys who don't follow th e industry would buy it, as they always have, only to find that non of their app s or purchases are listed. permalink parent [ ]_PM_ME_YOUR_FEET_ 3 points 2 hours ago* The majority of people don't even know the Galaxy phones run Android, they just think it's "Samsung" and that only "Droid" runs Android. Samsung is actively and slowly converging the UIs of both platforms (see their teased icons for Unpacke d 5 and then see the latest leaked Tizen screenshot). The only thing missing would be the Google services, including the app store. Th ough Samsung is slowly attracting developers to bring their apps to the Samsung App Store. Believe it or not, Samsung is definitely considering moving away from Android. Edited: added the image showing Samsung's new teased icons for Unpacked 5 and le aked Tizen screenshot for MWC 2014. permalink parent

load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [ ]aurareturn 204 points 4 hours ago Android wouldn't be what it is today without iOS and Google. If Samsung had boug ht it, it would have never taken off. permalink [ ]ggggbabybabybaby 41 points 2 hours ago Samsung wouldn't be what it is today if they had actually bought Android. For al l we know, this misstep might have given Apple even more of a head start and lef t us starving for a decent mobile OS competitor. permalink parent [ ]trueslash 19 points 2 hours ago Part of me wants to hope that would have let Nokia push Maemo further which woul d have been great permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [ ]moezaly 7 points 1 hour ago WebOS might have taken the place of Android. permalink parent [ ]ecdw 2 points 1 hour ago WebOS was great and it's a shame Palm couldn't get manufacturing hardware that c ould compete with Apple down well enough. Marketing also sucked permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [ ]glueland 20 points 3 hours ago Samsung wasn't wrong. Google had to put a lot of money and people into it. Samsung would have never came close to android as it is today, it would have mos t likely just ended up being another failed product.

permalink load more comments (2 replies) [ ]MrHaVoC805 118 points 4 hours ago They're laughing all the way to the bank now with the majority of Android phone' s marketshare and billions of dollars in profit. permalink [ ]Scoot-r 59 points 3 hours ago And a free OS! permalink parent [ ]braunshaver 28 points 2 hours ago THIS. They got to get android for free, developed by an army of engineers they d idn't have to pay for. permalink parent [ ]gilgoomesh 10 points 1 hour ago* Google Play Services and the Android name/logo isn't free. When used, Android li censees have to pay per phone ($0.75 to $3 depending on contract). Edit: apparently Google deny this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/report-google-charges-android-oems-for-pl ay-store-licenses/ but contracts with OEMs definitely have a long list of conditions: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/new-android-oem-licensing-terms-leak-open -comes-with-restrictions/ permalink parent [ ]Charwinger21 8 points 1 hour ago When used, Android licensees have to pay per phone ($2 or something like tha t). Google claims that they do not charge anything, and instead just require that th e OEM does not make incompatible versions of Android permalink parent [ ]Scoot-r 3 points 1 hour ago Ah ok! I had always heard free! free! free! permalink

parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (46 replies) [ ]Innominate8 13 points 2 hours ago Android from any company other than Google would have likely failed. What makes Android work is that it's built entirely to further Google's business . Android doesn't exist because Google decided to be nice, it exists because it makes them money. Google's business is in internet advertising, the more eyeball s hit those ads the more money Google makes. Before Android, mobile web was slow and nearly useless with the iphone being the only reasonable option but with it s own walled garden threats. Google saw an entire market of potential web users and a way to turn those potential web users into actual users. It's an unusual confluence of both corporate and consumer interests where a larg e corporation stands to make a lot of money by making things as easy and cheap a s possible for the consumer. permalink [ ]Vilavek 10 points 3 hours ago When people use the word 'Android', the end product is what typically comes to m ind. That is, they think of what Google helped Android become since its acquisit ion, not what was presented to Samsung. Samsung may have had good reason to laug h those folks out of their boardroom because at the time Android may not have fi t their business model at all. permalink [ ]frankdozier 7 points 2 hours ago Based on your analysis, I take away that Google is more forward thinking than Sa msung. I'm OK with that. permalink parent [ ]Shaggyninja 9 points 2 hours ago They're buying AI and Robot companies. They're forward thinking. permalink parent [ ]frankdozier 5 points 2 hours ago I'm OK with that. permalink parent [ ]Vilavek 4 points 1 hour ago

I don't think you understand. What /u/Shaggyninja is trying to say, is that Goog le thinks in a forward thinking direction. permalink parent [ ]Sonoflopez 4 points 1 hour ago I'm OK with that. permalink parent [ ]frankdozier 3 points 1 hour ago No, I do understand. And I'm OK with it. permalink parent [ ]Vilavek 3 points 1 hour ago Alright well I just hope to hell you're OK with it because we're not going to wa it around until Google forward thinks a way to bring you up to our level. permalink parent [ ]frankdozier 2 points 1 hour ago Alright well I just hope to hell you're OK with it I don't know any other way to say it: I'm OK with it. permalink parent [ ]Vilavek 2 points 1 hour ago I'm sorry I just don't follow what you're trying to tell me here. permalink parent [ ]frankdozier 2 points 35 minutes ago Lol, I get it. Thanks...I needed the laugh :) permalink parent load more comments (2 replies) [ ]Wolpfack 8 points 3 hours ago This story ranks right up there with the story of how Microsoft came to dominate the PC marketplace for OS software. When IBM was ramping up their second effort at building a personal computer, they wanted to use Gary Kildall and Digital Re

search's CP/M, which was the dominant OS in the nascent PC industry. Killdall wa nted more than IBM was willing to pay for licensing, so the IBM folks went to Mi crosoft to see what they had to offer. Long story short (and leaving a lot of details out) that's how Microsoft got DOS onto the PC and the rest is history. See: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/0707/6001336a.html permalink [ ]borch_is_god 4 points 3 hours ago Actually, IBM went to Microsoft first (who wasn't interested), then to Digital, then back to Microsoft. permalink parent [ ]BukkakePizza 3 points 3 hours ago Similar story happened when apple was shopping for a new OS. Be wanted more for BeOS than they wanted to pay, so they bought nextstep instead. permalink parent [ ]lfnoise 24 points 4 hours ago "All the mobile industry is changing before our eyes , and Paige with concern Br in watched it , as if afraid of giants like Microsoft is not seized the initiati ve ." WHAT? permalink [ ]rlaxton 36 points 3 hours ago Maybe translated from Doge? So much android, so wow? Much opportunity! permalink parent load more comments (3 replies) [ ]thijntjuhhh 7 points 3 hours ago Aaanndd we broke the Internet again permalink [ ]komocode 6 points 2 hours ago By January 2007, they d all worked sixty-to-eighty-hour weeks for fifteen mont hs some for more than two years writing and testing code, negotiating software licens es, and flying all over the world to find the right parts, suppliers, and manufa cturers. They had been working with prototypes for six months and had planned a l aunch by the end of the year . . . until Jobs took the stage to unveil the iPhon e.

Chris DeSalvo s reaction to the iPhone was immediate and visceral. As a consume r I was blown away. I wanted one immediately. But as a Google engineer, I though t We re going to have to start over. permalink [ ]rgname 6 points 2 hours ago Androids strength is that it can be on any phone. It wouldn't have taken off if it were limited to one company. permalink load more comments (1 reply) [ ]InSOmnlaC 6 points 3 hours ago If Samsung had purchased it, it would never have gotten to o you really can't look at it as if it was a huge loss for it was good that they passed up on it, because it allowed end the money to build the market, and they get to license Win/Win permalink [ ]frankdozier 2 points 2 hours ago* The only difference is that Google has made more money from Android than Samsung has made from Android powered handsets. EDIT: Actually, is that statement even true? Or is the reverse the real truth? T hen again, how does Google measure the 'worth' of Android? permalink parent [ ]InSOmnlaC 4 points 2 hours ago Well for instance, I purchased a Samsung Omnia i910 about 5 or years ago(2009) t hat had Windows Mobile 6.1 on it. It was pretty awful and I'm sure it cost Samsu ng a decent amount of money to license out from Microsoft. If you look at 2009, that's also the same year their first Android phone came out (Galaxy). Within ju st 1 year Android already had double the market share. Mobile OS Market Share Ti meline So considering they were no longer paying a license fee on every single smartpho ne, I would guess that they were making bank. And since they didn't have to pay money to purchase Google, or develop it, they also saved. Lastly, if they had pu rchased Android, they likely would not have made it open-source. It never would have taken off like it has with Google purchasing it. As for how Google measures the worth of Android, that's beyond me. In fact, thei r business model baffles me. Then again, I've never really looked deeply into it . permalink parent the size it is now. S Samsung. If anything, another company to sp it for free.

load more comments (1 reply) [ ]cucufag 6 points 1 hour ago My dad worked at Samsung wayyy back when it was a much smaller company. He still remembers when someone pitched the idea of a "portable computer" in which the s creen flaps down on to the device. They laughed him out. We now know this technology as the "laptop". permalink load more comments (1 reply) [ ]The_Dukes 4 points 3 hours ago I'm sure Samsung is doing alright for themselves permalink [ ]frankdozier 1 point 2 hours ago Does Samsung make more from handset sales than Google makes from Android? permalink parent [ ]Olychuck 9 points 3 hours ago Two different business strategies. Buy Android, spend a bunch of money developing it so you can release phones with an Android OS. Let Google buy Android, release phones with an Android OS. permalink [ ]frankdozier 1 point 2 hours ago Yeah, but with 2., Google wins from both. At least with 1. Samsung had a sliver of a chance. Think: Samsung Android. permalink parent [ ]Espinha 3 points 2 hours ago I guess these... ...were the droids Samsung was looking for. permalink [ ]happyscrappy 3 points 1 hour ago* It's not like Samsung missed out on a gold mine. Without Google and what Google did, Android is likely just another Danger Research, not what we think of Androi d as today.

permalink [ ]IthinktherforeIthink 3 points 51 minutes ago It's honestly successful because of Google. permalink [ ]FuriousMouse 7 points 3 hours ago This sums is up: " Samsung was looking for a ready product whereas Google was in search of a grea t idea. " permalink load more comments (1 reply) [ ]Poisoninthewound 15 points 3 hours ago What the fuck is wrong with people to make them so rude to one another? permalink [ ]wioneo 34 points 3 hours ago It's two things mainly... Humans are dicks. Fuck you. permalink parent [ ]Poisoninthewound 14 points 2 hours ago lol :( permalink parent [ ]ffolkes 2 points 1 hour ago There are only two things I truly hate: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures. The Dutch. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]braunshaver 13 points 2 hours ago Realize that when the article said 'they laughed them out of the room', what rea lly happened was a polite refusal to fund or buy their company permalink parent

load more comments (1 reply) [ ]OnTheEveOfWar 3 points 3 hours ago Money. permalink parent [ ]raspvidy 1 point 2 hours ago The people at Samsung are scary business men. I had a customer tell me once he w orked for Samsung. And it was too stressful. It didn't matter how long you worke d for Samsung or if you had a house or kids, you were just a number to them. He quit because he was drilled by the Koreans when ever anything went bad. Never pr aised even if sales were records. permalink parent load more comments (1 reply) [ ]Homegrownherbis 8 points 3 hours ago I work for a Korean company and I love Android. I can tell you for a fact that A ndroid never would have been what it is today had Samsung owned it because they never would have allowed any technological advancements. There is too much pride in that culture to allow change. Thank God this never happened. permalink [ ]djaclsdk 4 points 2 hours ago But didn't its CEO once say "change everything except wife & children" permalink parent [ ]invalid_dictorian 7 points 3 hours ago The way Samsung works internally is that they are always looking for an instant payoff. They will never invest in anything that takes more than a year to achiev e. It took Android many years to evolve to what it is today. If it was under Sam sung's watch, it would have been a canceled project after a year. permalink [ ]500yds 2 points 3 hours ago we never would have known what is now Android if they had purchased it permalink [ ]haiku_robot 2 points 1 hour ago we never would have known what is now Android if they had purchased it

permalink parent [ ]housebrickstocking 3 points 3 hours ago Ah the bad old days where Nokia with Java was the shit I was into. Colour screen? Get the fuck out! permalink [ ]Ikbentim 2 points 2 hours ago Does every samsung thread have to turn into a touch-wiz circle jerk? permalink [ ]sabre_rider 2 points 2 hours ago This, to me, represents the real difference the bay area and the silicon valley. Google went ahead and bought the idea (that's what it was) and Samsung didn't b ecause each was in its own environment. Samsung could take the risk but Android' s failure would've hurt a lot of managers inside Samsung. Instead, if it failed for Google, it would've been a worthy and interesting idea. No managers would've been fired. There are many reasons here but being in the bay area has to be top one for Google to feel OK to make this bet. permalink [ ]rosafer 2 points 1 hour ago This reminds me of when IceFrog showed up with his agent to pitch an idea for a Dota game at Blizzard and they just laughed at him. Now League of Legends and Do ta2 which is based on his mod is one of the most played games right now permalink [ ]Aurora13 2 points 53 minutes ago Early Android was not the same product, Google took a gamble. As for Samsung the y are doing very nicely from Android at the moment. permalink [ ]badstewie 2 points 23 minutes ago Android wouldn't be where it is now if Samsung bought it. I love Samsung product s but they would've screwed up Android. permalink [ ]GrinningPariah 2 points 21 minutes ago Yeah and how much money did Google pour into Android to get it where it is today ? Google is a services company, they can turn a profit from that investment by usi ng it as a platform for their search and ad businesses. Samsung is a hardware co mpany, they just wants an OS that will sell phones. And they got it for free. Pl us Samsung didn't have the software knowledge to grow Android anyways.

People like to act like things are either a good idea or bad idea, objectively. Is it so hard to see why Android was a great investment for Google but a terribl e investment for Samsung? permalink [ ]Travel_Dude 4 points 4 hours ago Seems like Samsung choose fine. permalink [ ]ipaqmaster 1 point 3 hours ago 503, reddit hugged :( permalink [ ]Adamantium13 2 points 3 hours ago The friendly DDOS permalink parent [ ]ipaqmaster 0 points 3 hours ago The best kind of ddos! permalink parent [ ]Operatr 2 points 1 hour ago Well, that's why Google is Google, and Samsung wishes it were Google. permalink load more comments (8 replies) [ ]tyobama 2 points 3 hours ago I guess Samsung... ...killed the wrong droid. permalink load more comments (1 reply) [ ]crispychoc 1 point 3 hours ago If they had bought it, it would have been another "Bada" style OS, they would ha ve closed it, and android would not have the market share it has today. Good thing they didn't. permalink

[ ]Marshallnd 1 point 3 hours ago This scenario is pretty common it seems. permalink [ ]logan_wrx 1 point 3 hours ago Something tells me it was something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWpUcvq55m4 permalink [ ]fringe2167 1 point 2 hours ago Off topic I know, but the way that article switches tenses drives me crazy. permalink [ ]jook11 1 point 2 hours ago I, too, saw this earlier today on reddit. permalink [ ]xxb4xx 0 points 2 hours ago Link is dead :( I love anything pro Google / Anti Samsung. permalink [ ]juanlee337 1 point 2 hours ago hardware company buying a software company...fail. good thing they didn't buy it . I wouldn't of turned out as well as google. permalink [ ]OmnipotentBeing 1 point 2 hours ago Why does the site want to check my browser? permalink [ ]ZackVixACD 1 point 2 hours ago For WSTD: Web-Site Transmitted Diseases. permalink parent [ ]OmnipotentBeing 1 point 2 hours ago As in it wants to infect me? permalink parent [ ]bobswinkle 1 point 2 hours ago

Ha! Hilarious! This way all they got was some of the best software engineers in the world turning their minds to developing the foundations of an operating syst em that would lay the foundations for their becoming a world tech leader. All fo r free. What a bunch of dunderheads. permalink [ ]WaytoomanyUIDs 1 point 2 hours ago Considering the history of failures of linux-based mobile OS's to that point it' s hardly surprising they turned them down permalink [ ]imsambhav 1 point 1 hour ago All hail for "Google" permalink [ ]CirakJoules 1 point 1 hour ago Anyone got a mirror? You guys made the server cry. permalink load more comments (39 replies) about blog about team source code advertise jobs help wiki FAQ reddiquette rules contact us tools mobile firefox extension chrome extension buttons widget <3 reddit gold store redditgifts reddit.tv radio reddit Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy . 2014 reddit inc. All rights reserved.

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