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Re: Fwd: Quick question about current HVAC plan Randy Pollock (randydpollock@gmail.com) peterjameschin@yahoo.com; Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:49 PM

Hi Peter, Any success with making the updates to the duct sizes ? Please let me know where you are in the process. I really need to get these changes completed ASAP so I can move forward with my contractor who is waiting to get the details. Thanks Randy

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> wrote: OK thanks. I didnt know the static pressure specs could change things.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you, Sir Randy. I will get the specs from this model and recalculate. At a glance, it has a small external static pressure. It only has an available of 0.2 while the Goodman has 0.5. But let us see what values we can get out of these. -Peter

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:56 AM Subject: Fwd: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, Here is the specs of the air handler I had sent you before. It is model RGJD-12ERCM which shoes 2000 CFM max. Let me know what else you need. Randy ---------- Forwarded message ----------

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From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com>

OK, get some sleep sometime ! My mom is doing better, thank you for asking. She will see the doctor to day to give her a report on her progress and talk about some additional surgery she will need. I have attached the spec of the furnaces which have been purchased. They are the 120K BTU units, they are model RGJD-12ERCM. You can see the specs for the air flow. It says it ranges from 1200-2000 CFM. Not sure if that will change any of the load calculations or if using 1400 is best value. I will try and chat later when I have some time. Randy

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have to finish off pending jobs otherwise I get swamped, Sir. But I am still on top of the workloads so we can take care of your design work with no glitches now. How is your mother doing, Sir?

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan OK sounds good. Thank your for the quick reply. Shouldn't you be sleeping right now ?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Good Evening, Sir. I think we are in for a very detailed review with your contractor, Sir. And this is good since he is very thorough. Anyway I have all the design details here and I will give everything that you need as long as they are all here. Let us connect on Skype when you have the time, Sir. I will also go over each of these items and try to answer them one by one.

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, Do you have the details of the load calculations ? You had sent me summary earlier. The hvac contractor is asking for the details which include occupancy, heat loss, (See his question 5 below). When I originally sent

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you the load calculations in spreadsheet from previous engineer, it broke them out for bathrooms and bar area, and dining areas. If you have the load calculations to that detail, then please send. If not, that should be fine. Also, I noticed that on your last load summary you had sent a while back you had AHU1B as 3.4 tons and AHU1A as 5.2 tons cooling load. I see that AHU1A is the dining area closer to the kitchen and AHU1B is this dining area on the South side of the space. Conceptually it seems that the AHU1B is a much larger area than AHU1A. Can you confirm the load calculations you sent me where label correctly ? It would seem that AHU1B would have a higher load than AHU1A, since the area is much bigger and has many more window. Also, there used to be a small supply duct running into the kitchen to supply the kitchen with some conditioned air. However, I see the duct is still there but is not connected into the system. Shouldnt this be connected into the system ? I think it should be connected into the air handler that you currently have with a 3.4 ton load which was labeled AHU1B, however because the kitchen is located next to AHU1A, it would seem that it would be more convenient to connect into that air handler. I didnt notice any supply openings in the bathrooms, I thought there might have been at one time. If not, we definitely need to add one for each bathroom. We definitely need to revisit the return air opening positions and types of diffusers. My contractor had some concerns below, I have added some comments to them, please address them as well, especially the duct sizing. I assume the duct sizing was based on auto calculations from the autocad software, as the contractor felt they were over sized. The CFM values labeled on each diffuser, are those calculated automatically from your software based on the duct sizes feeding the diffusers ? Also, the air handlers are two cooling speeds, 1200 and 2000 CFM. Your load calculations all show 1400 CFM. Should you adjust the load calculations to reflect 2000 CFM ? Would the higher fan speed kick on when the units are at greater cooling capacity ? From contractor: Randy: After receiving the specs on the diffusers I met with my duct work and design guy. (third person to look at these drawings). The following are just some of the items we came up with. 1. The linear diffusers as shown, which I assume are the ones you purchased are not made for the type of system you are planning. The are meant to work with a constant air flow VAV box system as you might find in a large commercial facility. Me: I believe he thinks because the linear slot diffusers are thermostatically controlled, they are controlling the air volume, however I believe they are only changing the air direction depending on the outside temperature. Thus I do not think this is a valid comment. I do not think we need a VAV system. 2. The number, location, and ratings for the supply outlets is excessive. Me: We are at maximum cooling capacity for one air handler 5.2 tons, and with the other at 3.4 tons, but adding in some air flow to the kitchen area and bathrooms if not already included, we should be at maximum capacity for the second air handler. As long as the CFMs calculated at each outlet are correct, and if you add them all together and if they reach 2000 CFM per air handler, than I would think that the number of is correct ? 3. The duct sizing is way to large for the equipment specified. Me: Shouldnt this be calculated automatically by the software and would tell us if these are correct or incorrect ? How can we verify ? We have a restriction on the duct depth of 10", are the duct lengths correct or can they be reduced based on the calculations ? Do we have any tables or calculations we can show that the duct sizes are correct ? 4. The use of flexible duct within a hard ceiling does not meet any codes in Chicago.

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Me: I assume we can change this to circular metal ducts instead of flexible ducts ? 5. If there is a room size, occupancy and heat loss schedule for the space than we might be able to re engineer the drawings. This would have to be an additional cost to the actual installation. Me: Please send details of load calculations, I think the ones you sent earlier were just summary. Lets talk later, Randy

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Absolutely, Sir. How about your mom, Sir? We hope she is doing all right. But we have to understand that going to the hospital is part of our life. Much like a truck needs to go see a mechanic from time to time. I am glad that my own parents are both healthy and strong, Sir. We spent most of our time at the farm and the nature of work and the diet made a big difference in our family's health. And another thing is that I finally had my plumbing and electrical guys back at the office. They were out most of the time doing construction work on the field so I was not able to work at the upper levels right away. But since they are here, including the structural engineer, then we can continue working.

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, Sorry for not getting back to you. I have been spending some time in Arizona, where my mom has been in the hospital. I am back in Chicago and will try and get in touch with you. I have a contractor involved and has some questions about the duct sizing. I am going to see if I can get him on Skype with me and you at the same time. Can you do a 3-way call on Skype ? Randy

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Good Evening, Sir Randy. Do you have the time to be on Skype? We need to discuss the changes on the plans when you have the time. Thanks!

From: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> To: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Good Evening, Sir Randy. Let us connect on Skype when you have the time, Sir. I have to explain the changes to you. Thanks!

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:41 AM

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Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, Did you look at the two PDF versions I sent you (they are both items you had sent me earlier) , i.e., the 11-05 and the 12-23 version of M1 ? By that time we had already settled on the air handler. I believe the only change that was supposed to be made in the 12-23 version, was to replace the ceiling mounted 2'x2' return grill with a ceiling mounted linear slot diffuser as to keep the aesthetic requirements I was looking for. This should not have required moving the air handlers above. It should have just required exchanging the square diffuser for the linear slot diffuser and the connect made between them and the return air duct system. Regards, Randy

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Good Morning, Sir Randy. Let us connect on Skype when you have the time, Sir. We need to discuss the changes since there were a direct result of the changes that we made on the kitchen area. The location and access of the air handlers got affected when we made changes on the kitchen. T

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:30 AM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, I hope all is well. I just had a chance to examine the 12-23-2013 version of the drawings you sent me. The only change this should have included over the previous version 11-05-2013, was to replace the 24" x 24" square return grill in the ceiling area between the north side of the bar and the south side of the bathroom entrances, with a linear slot diffuser. However, when I examine the two versions of the drawings , 12-23-2013 vs. 11-05-2013, I just noticed that you changed the location of the AHU1B, and instead of it being staggered with the location of AHU2B, both air handlers are parallel and you have changed the access to the air handlers in the ceilings of the bathroom underneath instead of access on the side of the ceiling through the hallway to the kitchen. I do not agree with this change. I am not sure if it was just an accidental change. However, I need you to update the drawings such that the location of AHU1B is staggered again with the position of AHU2B and in the same location as you had in the 11-05-2013, and as well move the supply and return duct work back to the location of 11-05-2013. Could you change that back as in 11-05-2013, but leave the linear slot diffuser in the ceiling next to the bathroom. Could you then please re-send me the .pdf files and the updated dwg file ? Thanks very much, Randy

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Okay, Sir. I will add one supply diffuser on the ceiling near the bathroom hallway. I will remove the

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24x24 return grille. Please check the revised drawings here, Sir. The Shop Drawing should take about 2-3 days since I have to draw the whole plan in sections and magnify each view so all the minute dimensions will be visible.

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Thank you Peter. Because of the requirement to have a completely finished ceiling, other than the linear slot diffusers, we cannot put that 24"x24" grill in the ceiling there by the bar/bathrooms. Either we can place another couple linear slot diffusers in the ceiling in front of the bathrooms (I need to count how many I have and if there is enough) but tie them in the return system, or we can put a thin, long louver/grill (maybe one or two lovers) in the wall in front of the bathrooms, near the ceiling. How fast could you make the shop drawings, I need to post the project on a contractor site to get bids asap. The cooking hood and makeup air, I already contracted that with an installer so would not need shop drawings for that. Thanks Randy

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello there, Sir Randy. Attached are the Autocad file as well as sample of a Shop Drawing.

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, Happy Holidays to you as well. I hope a healthy and happy New Year to you in you family in 2014. Regarding those return grills, I believe those should have been taken off the drawings. We had a large return grill in the ceiling over the hallway leading from the dining room to the kitchen. The return grill for the other air handler is in the ceiling over the small open utility room at the south/west side of the bar. Are the shop drawings something that can be generated automatically from the existing autocad files ? I was thinking of attaching the drawings to a contractor site so that they can bid on the project. I was going to use what ever is available. I might need to the autocad file format to upload as well as pdf version

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Randy

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> wrote: Merry Christmas to you and your family, Sir Randy! Wish you good health all year long also! As for these three boxes, those are Return Air Grilles. And it looks like you got the old drawing. I have already sent you the final draft about a month ago. But anyway let me resend you the updated one as attached here. Please use this instead. Please note that these are still design drawings, Sir. I need to talk with your local Professional Engineer to sign off the plans or to your builder or contractor who is going to build it so I can integrate their preferences also. These design drawings would have to undergo another set of changes, Sir. The contractor or builder will need to have "Shop Drawings" for this one. Shop drawings means the detailed drawings that magnify each section or area together with the dimensions to help the production of each duct run. The HVAC contractor will need to determine how many plain sheets is it going to take and the shape and size of each. Let us connect on Skype when you have the time, Sir, so I can explain this to you further. Thanks! -Peter

From: Randy Pollock <randydpollock@gmail.com> To: Peter James Chin <peterjameschin@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: Quick question about current HVAC plan Hi Peter, I was looking over the HVAC plan and noticed 3 squares with 'X' in the middle, on top of some of the main duct lines. They have a caption '24"x24", but no other description. Could you tell me what those items are ? I highlighted the area in yellow in the attached pdf. Could you also send me the autocad files that contain the latest version of the plans. Thanks Randy

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