Wow! This Etsy Seller Has Big, Clankin', Brass Ones!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:02:12 PM
Magic Wand From Salem Massachusetts
I live right next to Salem Massachusetts! I was taking a walk around town one day after the
hurricane we had in August.... There was a mess of nature all around!
I wandered into the local old burial ground where many of the witches that were so innocently
hung through the witch trials had been memorialized. The moment for me was a great one.
Standing there.. the sun sparkling through the trees at the green grass and old graves. There
were sticks everywhere.. fallen from these very very old trees which roots go into the ground
and being of those who once were here.....there were so many sticks that were all in the same
12 inch shape like a wand... I realized then and there that I would collect about 20 of these
sticks that fell to the earth of Salem.. right to such a ground full of energy and history..
absorbing the nature as well... Thus these sticks of salem are truly magical (to me and those
who believe!)... I have used vintage materials, ribbon, string, pendants and so forth. Each stick
was cleaned, sprayed, and glued with permanent materials.
Translation: "A tree fell into my backyard and I thought I could make some quick loot selling
some of its branches."

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:05:57 PM
But, but, but.... they're MAGICAL and full of ENERGY. It's a steal for $10!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:08:38 PM
I bet it was a MWAC who took the pictures...

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:09:24 PM
You do realize that some people actually do use wands in their religious rites, correct?

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:10:20 PM
Ohhh goody, my credit card number is..............

If the magic in the stick is fromn belief then what is wrong with somebody making thier own
one?

Most of the wiccans I know do exactly this.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:12:51 PM
TFS, MizIndependent!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:12:54 PM
Are you seriously trying to tell me that a "real" magic wand would run $10 on Etsy?

But since we're discussing it anyway...here is one that I would expect to be taken a little more
seriously by those in the craft: Wand of the Sea Witch, currently selling for $125.00.

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Ohhh goody, my credit card number is..............

If the majic in the stick is fromn belief then what is wrong with somebody making thier own
one?

Most of the wiccans I know do exactly this.

That isn't the point. I don't find it funny to poke at others religion. Shrug.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:15:50 PM
Are you seriously trying to tell me that a "real" magic wand would run $10 on Etsy?

I stand by my thoughts on this.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:16:01 PM
that isn't the point. I don't find it funny to poke at others religion. Shrug.
Hey, Jane, I'm not poking fun at Wicca, I'm poking fun a someone who seems very much to be
a charlatan trying to take advantage of Wiccans. Can you see the difference?
I stand by my thoughts on this.
You do that. I'll stand over here and laugh at the idiot on Etsy.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:18:17 PM
So if it is $125 that makes it "real"? Gotcha.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:19:24 PM
I'm sorry, jane. I honestly wasn't thinking of it from the perspective of poking fun at anyone's
religion.

I laughed because (to me) the description felt over the top, and $10 for what appears (again,
to me) to be a random stick wrapped with thread seems like a rip-off.

I don't have extensive knowledge of the practices of Wiccans (or any other group that may use
wands for religious practice)... I just clicked on this thread shortly after reading another one
about someone looking for a toy wand for a gift. What I saw was someone selling an
(overpriced) Harry Potter/fairy princess/good witch "wand." Not a religious artifact.

Sorry if I offended.

*edited to add a word

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:19:52 PM

I have <wink, wink> magical rocks in my yard. Think I can get money for those?

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:20:28 PM
I agree that she could be a charlatan. I also don't see how she is any different from anyone
selling candles with the Virgin Mary on them, or necklaces with a cross, or whatever helps
people feel some sense of power through their faith.

I don't believe it, but I also think that she isn't any worse than anyone else.

Maybe she is truthful, and this is where she found the sticks. Maybe it isn't price that gives it
value.

I don't really see how spending more on a wand makes it more likely to hold power. Because
the seller says it does? Her rocks are more powerful than the other sellers sticks because she
says it is so?

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:21:58 PM
that isn't the point. I don't find it funny to poke at others religion. Shrug.
------------------------------------------
Hey, Jane, I'm not poking fun at Wicca, I'm poking fun a someone who seems very much to be
a charlatan trying to take advantage of Wiccans. Can you see the difference?

This.

Why should a wand be more magical just because it was made in Salem? The earth power in
the wand should be there anyway. Thats why unless the wand is something special hand
crafted and engraved and a person is paying for the artistry involved then it's a rip off.

I used to let wiccans take away the pruning from our trees. Nice long sticks for rituals. A little
bit of flex. There is no way I would have charged them to take away our pruning waste.

Though if the wanted to make a donation to charity I was fine with that and a few did.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:22:58 PM
I am not wiccan, pagan, etc....but I know there are some on this mb and I just don't find it
amusing to poke at others beliefs. I'm out.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:24:07 PM
Im pretty sure something magical happens in my dryer...maybe I could package up some
magical lint.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:24:19 PM
Yeah, I too find it a stretch to say the OP was making fun of any religious sect. YOU (janedoe)
were the one bringing in religion.

It states right in the description Wiccan. So I wasn't just making it up.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:25:00 PM
The guy also sells these: Magical Munchkin Shoes
Those. Are. AMAZING! I would totally buy those if I had an extra $60 lying around!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:26:21 PM
It states right in the description Wiccan. So I wasn't just making it up.
Yeah...you know what else was in that description? "Hogwarts".

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:29:10 PM
Hypocrisy...it's what the peas do best. If this was about any other religion's items the shit
would fly.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:30:41 PM
Better keep one eye on the sky, Kelleylo!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:30:57 PM
You are sad and pathetic. Seriously.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:39:28 PM
Hm. I've seen Harry Potter and those don't look anything like magic wands.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:41:36 PM
Hypocrisy...it's what the peas do best. If this was about any other religion's items the shit
would fly.
Clearly you have forgotten all about Virgin Mary Toast. I, and most people here viewing this
"wand", rank the two about the same. It's nothing to do with religion no matter how badly you
want it to be.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:45:53 PM
The Mary toast reminded me:

Two Peas Epic Battle of Religious Kitch

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:52:40 PM
LMAO, Kate! That is awesome!!! That should provide some good reading for awhile, lol!

Brings to mind this amazingness....

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:56:12 PM
That is... wow. Um, terrifying and kind of awesome.

edited: is that a hotel?

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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:58:52 PM
I have <wink, wink> magical rocks in my yard. Think I can get money for those?

No, that was the '70's. We're up to sticks now.

Posted: 12/14/2011 5:00:29 PM
No, it's a church in Ohio, the statue is commonly known as "Touchdown Jesus" or even "Big
Butter Jesus".
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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:01:24 PM
And Touchdown Jesus burned down in 2010. Google tells me he's currently being rebuilt.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:01:28 PM
"Touchdown Jesus"

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:05:50 PM
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooook, that's pretty odd.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:07:05 PM
The bit I find disturbing was PETA trying to buy it's way into the statue. I hope thats a wiki-lie.

I actually rather liked the statue. But then again what do I know I gave away wands for free for
years.

All this time I could have been charging....

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:15:06 PM
I've heard of Touchdown Jesus and I'm originally from California.

I'm wondering why I didn't know that Etsy has a Geekery section. How did I miss that?

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:17:35 PM
I'm wondering why I didn't know that Etsy has a Geekery section. How did I miss that?
I can't believe I didn't know either! Talk about high entertainment...there's some seriously cool
stuff in that section!

ETA: I think I must have THIS!

EATA: But THIS is a little terrifying!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:18:58 PM
That isn't the point. I don't find it funny to poke at others religion.

As with a sharp pointy stick? Pun intended.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:36:18 PM
Oh for crying out loud. Must be a relative of Barnum!

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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:57:54 PM
No, it's a church in Ohio, the statue is commonly known as "Touchdown Jesus" or even "Big
Butter Jesus".

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Yep. It's about 30 minutes from my hometown, and you can't see it very well but it's in front of
a church that looks more like a casino (much neon).

It got struck by lightening and burnt. As if that weren't a sign enough, they're rebuilding the
thing.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 6:05:01 PM
Have you not seen regretsy? Is seems that etsy is full of special snowflakes who think the
world should be thrilled with their overpriced handmade crap (or crap picked up at the park).

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Posted: 12/14/2011 8:34:17 PM
This thread is really pretty funny!

Posted: 12/14/2011 8:48:14 PM
This seller is no Olivander.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 9:59:58 PM
I love how those sticks that just happen to fall out of the trees were all perfectly the same size
and shape.
That's the magical part.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:14:54 PM
I think it's a cute story and really $10 bucks is super cheap (she did actually put some time into
making them cute).

But the story is funny hehe
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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:23:04 AM
It got struck by lightening and burnt. As if that weren't a sign enough, they're rebuilding the
thing.

haha!!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:39:32 AM
Wonder if he has any Magic Mushrooms too...

snort... that just made me spew my coffee all over my screen.. uksue we must be of similar age
and maybe we could make a bomb exporting these to the us we found a BIG patch in a
field not far from us (well coops found them and dh and i were like "uhoh hes gonna be all
magicked out for a bit"

lol threw me right back to my uni days thanks for that

OP i get you were trying to say... its sad that everything gets turned round into something
totally different and far more serious than intended on this board atm...
ladies unbunch your knickers and pantaloons and remember.. its CHRISTMASSSSSSSS!!!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:26:02 AM
Hm. I've seen Harry Potter and those don't look anything like magic wands.

Haha !

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:34:45 AM
Somehow this thread is making me think of the Lucky Charms guy! Wonder if he gets his stuff
on Etsy? It's magically delicious! Hehe!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:42:47 AM

seriously by those in the craft: Wand of the Sea Witch, currently selling for $125.00

OK, I am seriously chuckling now...

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Posted: 12/14/2011 7:22:58 PM
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Interesting. I could have sworn you have previously stated you were.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:51:40 AM
I doubt that seller has big, clanking brass ones, I think he probably has little fluffy, glittery ones.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:52:45 AM
I doubt that seller has big, clanking brass ones, I think he probably has little fluffy, glittery ones.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 4:56:55 AM
seriously by those in the craft: Wand of the Sea Witch, currently selling for $125.00

OK, I am seriously chuckling now...

Oh but the chicken-wire and seashells is a REAL magic wand! (omg this is too much fun, lol)
That and the munchkin shoes and you'd be set!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:00:37 AM
Ok I do not see how making fun of an 'opportunist' is making fun of someones religion. The OP
is not making fun of wiccans or magic wands but poking fun at the idea of collecting sticks in a
graveyard after a big storm and selling them. She thinks it's opportunistic. Which it may be,
But I see no harm in this one because the seller is honest.

As far as my opinion on the etsy seller goes? umm I could care less they were honest with their
story and if someone chooses to go buy one then that is their business. It's not like it's price
gouging and there are not sticks left in the world. This is a case (for me anyway) of to each
their own.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:01:05 AM
What I find funny is that she doesn't actually live in Salem, but 'right next to Salem'.

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Interesting. I could have sworn you have previously stated you were.

Uh no....I believe in God, that is it, that is all. I am not part of any religion and dont believe in
them my posts have been quite clear, so not sure why you are mistaken There are pagans on
this site, but I am not one of them nor have I claimed to be.

rainbow_scrapper
patience.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:13:57 AM
Uh no....I believe in God, that is it, that is all. I am not part of any religion and dont believe in
them my posts have been quite clear, so not sure why you are mistaken There are pagans on
this site, but I am not one of them nor have I claimed to be.

Well then! No REAL magical wands for you!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:15:07 AM
Still not funny RS, but nice try. You guys are mocking others beliefs whether you want to admit
it or not.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:22:17 AM
I don't treat religion as something that is exempt from mockery so I have no problem owning
up when I mock.

This isn't one of those times.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:25:22 AM
Still not funny RS, but nice try. You guys are mocking others beliefs whether you want to admit
it or not.

That's it! Now you get no magical munchkin shoes either!

Posted: 12/15/2011 5:33:49 AM
You guys are mocking others beliefs whether you want to admit it or not.

If we admit it, will you go away?

You are seriously harshing the mellow on our fun little thread.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 5:38:32 AM
Get over it, no one is mocking beliefs, people are mocking a person selling sticks covered with
glitter glue,
You are the only one here sticking up for the masses of "offended wiccans" that you think read
here. I'm sure if it was that important to them, they would come along and defend their own
twigs with cheap crap stuck on them.

Seeing as you believe in God, if I get two Popsicle sticks and some blue tack- would you be
interested in buying one of my specially blessed crosses? I live in Australia which is "not that
far" from Bethlehem where Christ was born, so these crosses, I believe would have magical
healing powers. For you just $99.99. There might be some cat hair on them too but cats were
Gods in Ancient Egypt, so that would just add some extra power to them.
Let me know, free postage.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:06:32 AM
Seeing as you believe in God, if I get two Popsicle sticks and some blue tack- would you be
interested in buying one of my specially blessed crosses? I live in Australia which is "not that
far" from Bethlehem where Christ was born, so these crosses, I believe would have magical
healing powers. For you just $99.99. There might be some cat hair on them too but cats were
Gods in Ancient Egypt, so that would just add some extra power to them.
Let me know, free postage.

Free postage huh? Would you overnight the cross? Something so sacred must not spend too
much time in a box.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:07:58 AM
Now you've done it, pjaye. JaneyDoe isn't Christian. And she would like to know when
everyone will realize that.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:28:14 AM
Is it sad that I know somebody who would LOVE something like those wands? I know a few
actual Wiccans and while they might want wood from a tree from a grave yard they would be
very careful about how it was gathered and what it was used for.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:29:53 AM
I agree that she could be a charlatan. I also don't see how she is any different from anyone
selling candles with the Virgin Mary on them, or necklaces with a cross, or whatever helps
people feel some sense of power through their faith.

Yeah, but those things are useful. A stick has no other uses. lol

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:33:16 AM
A stick has no other uses. lol
What about for scratching that unreachable itch in the middle of your back? Or for poking a
puppy?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:33:58 AM
A stick has no other uses.

I disagree

"It's very open-ended, all-natural, the perfect price -- there aren't any rules or instructions for
its use," said Christopher Bensch, the museum's curator of collections. "It can be a Wild West
horse, a medieval knight's sword, a boat on a stream or a slingshot with a rubber band. ... No
snowman is complete without a couple of stick arms, and every campfire needs a stick for
toasting marshmallows.

HALL OF FAME

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:35:04 AM
puppy?
Ok Ok

Posted: 12/15/2011 6:39:36 AM
Also, if you need to do some eye poking, a stick is really your go-to implement.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:52:40 AM
Also, if you need to do some eye poking, a stick is really your go-to implement

Seriously made me laugh.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:55:52 AM
And Touchdown Jesus burned down in 2010. Google tells me he's currently being rebuilt.

I drive by Touchdown Jesus (or, more correctly, The Pond From Which Touchdown Jesus
Formerly Sprang) a couple times a week, and TJ is still missing. There's been some backlash
regarding spending megabucks rebuilding TJ when that money could be spent on providing
services to those in need and that sort of thing. The church insists it'll rebuild TJ, and rebuild
even bigger and better.

When the local news was running the TJ fire story live on their website, some of the comments
were hilarious. The fire started when TJ was struck by lightening, and some people couldn't
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Posted: 12/15/2011 7:07:56 AM
I drive by Touchdown Jesus (or, more correctly, The Pond From Which Touchdown Jesus
Formerly Sprang) a couple times a week, and TJ is still missing. There's been some backlash
regarding spending megabucks rebuilding TJ when that money could be spent on providing
services to those in need and that sort of thing. The church insists it'll rebuild TJ, and rebuild
even bigger and better.

When the local news was running the TJ fire story live on their website, some of the comments
were hilarious. The fire started when TJ was struck by lightening, and some people couldn't
resist interpreting the heavenly message.

Well it does sound like a pretty clear message to me, I mean what more do they need a
burning shrub to speak to them?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 12:13:03 PM
puppy?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 12:15:22 PM
I am guessing you are not a witch? Or a Pagan?

If she is lying and selling some sticks from her backyard, yeah that is sucky.

But I would love to have a wand made froma tree branch that feel in a cemetary in Salem. You
kidding? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 12:31:31 PM
Also, if you need to do some eye poking, a stick is really your go-to implement

Seriously made me laugh.

Me too!

Next time I go to Salem I'm gonna load up on twigs (I mean wands!) after I visit the house of
seven gables! (FYI, do NOT try to take a stroller through there, LOL)

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:24:57 PM
Janedoescrapper I get what you are saying, and I for one appreciate it.

I know I will just regret this post as TMI, but silence equals consent. I realize this is a light
hearted joking thread. If I thought you all knew as much about Wicca as you know about
Christianity, then it would not bother me to have you all laughing about it and making sarcastic
comments.

But you don't. As evidenced on the thread in so many ways.

Most people in the US anyway have at least attended some kind of Christian religious service -
a wedding, a funeral, perhaps - or even seen one on TV. In fact you can actually watch real
Sunday services on TV. Most people have NOT attended a Wiccan ritual, Pagan ritual, or ever
seen any kind of accurate portrayal of one. Therefore, poking fun at Christian kitsch (the
dominant religion in western culture) is not on par with poking fun of Wiccan practices and
beliefs.

Making fun of a charlatan who is lying about just getting some random sticks, making up a
story, and then selling them to the gullible is ok in my book. I do not care one bit about that.
But when you cross over into poking fun at religious beliefs and practices, then I step in and
speak up. Which yes, some of you have been doing.

You would find the Pagan world is full of these charlatans and it is, as always, caveat emptor.
Pretty much equivalent to the charlatans who place ads in the back of tabloids selling some
kind of sacred artifact and bilking those who want to believe.

I don't find it ok to make fun of people who do actually use wands in general.
Wands that are in fact made of sticks that have fallen off trees.
Or the use of stones. Picked up off the ground and used in theior natural state.
Or leaves.
Or water.
Or earth.
Or salt.
Or smoke.

Nor do I find it amusing to make fun of tree branches or sticks as spiritual or religious
implements, in general.

For your information, since there is so much ignorance on this thread in the guise of "joking"...
Why should a wand be more magical just because it was made in Salem? The earth power in
the wand should be there anyway.

Because it is.

FYI: It is more magical (or really it would be spelled magickal). Earth Magick is related to place.
For one example -- Native Americans have sacred places, and we have a long bloody history in
this country of having removed peoples from their sacred places to other places, with the
arrogant idea that a place is a place is a place, and that Earth-centered spirituality can be done
on any old place on the Earth and it is all the same. This is wrong on so many levels. It is not
the same. "Where" makes a difference. A huge difference. And most religions have "places"
that are more sacred or spiritual than others.

FYI: Old Witchcraft frequently calls for materials that might seem "ordinary" but that are
gathered in specific ways, at specific times. Rosemary is just rosemary, unless it is gathered
under the light of a full moon using a boleen. Can you use plain old rosemary in that working?
Probably. Will it be more powerful if it's gathered or collected from the right place in the right
time? Yes. Does it matter? Absolutely it does.

FYI: Items taken or gathered from important or sacred areas ARE "more magical." Especially if
said place has a lot of spiritual significance, which for American witches, Salem, Mass.
absolutely does.

FYI: I also have a collection of "magic rocks." They are stones or pebbles gathered from places I
have been that have spiritual resonance with me. Maybe "your backyard" doesn't have a lot of
spiritual connection to me personally. It depends on what's back there. Maybe it sits on top of
an energy pool of some kind. Don't know. My collection of "magic rocks" is not ridiculous or
silly.

FYI: Many Wiccan traditions consider it sacrilege to "cut" a piece off of a living tree in order to
create a tool. (Others claim you must cut it off a living tree, that's a whole argument right
there.) For these traditions, a wand or the handle of any tool is only made using "sticks" picked
up "off the ground." It's not irrelevant. It's extremely relevant.

FYI: I would not pay $100 for some random stick from an unknown person who made claims
that could not be verified. as I said it's caveat emptor. However, I might be willing to drop a
mere $10, since that's not a lot of cash to part with, for the chance it's something "real."

That being said, the actual etsy seller might him/herself be absolutely deserving of your
derision. It is ridiculous to expect people to pay $10 for a stick you picked up any old place, just
to have a stick.

But I would pay a great deal for a wand made of a stick gathered from a cemetary in Salem,
Mass. Or for a rock or stone from such a place. Just like most people in this country would find
it precious to obtain a stone or rock from Calgary. Or a stick from a tree in Gethsemane. And I
wouldn't think that was silly. I'd think it was pretty darn cool.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:41:55 PM
My collection of "magic rocks" is not ridiculous or silly.
yes, it is.
Wanna buy some snake oil?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:49:22 PM
yes, it is.

You are a bitch.

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Mariah2, thanks for posting that.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:51:23 PM
Thank you Mariah2

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:52:30 PM
Thanks for the great info Mariah. I am so sick of the hypocrisy and couldn't not say something.
Just because something isn't your belief doesn't give you the right to mock it. And I don't give a
crap who that pisses off.

Posted: 12/15/2011 1:54:47 PM
Ok, with all due respect to you Ohio people, that is not the touchdown Jesus, Touchdown Jesus
is in South Bend...

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Posted: 12/15/2011 1:59:26 PM
You are a bitch.

BWAHAHAA!

That's ok, bc so am I. LOL (I know you weren't talking to me, Jane)

Is it bad that my first thought was - it depends? What kind of snake? How did you collect it?
And, do I need it any time soon? Maybe I am out...hmmm.

I hate going into lecture mode on a "joke" thread but geez it was either that or lose my temper
and be sarcastic and mean. I don't want to do that. Even if no one else cared, I needed to say
something.

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OP not making fun of religion, making fun of sticks. Which of course could be a religion so if
that is so, I am sure she is sorry.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:04:39 PM
I also thought the wands at the link were beautiful. I don't know if they are "real" or not. I
probably would not buy them but more bc I already have several wands and they have a lot of
personal meaning for me. I don't need any more.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:05:36 PM
yes, it is.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are a bitch.

LOL - are you new here?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:26:10 PM
Making fun of a charlatan who is lying about just getting some random sticks, making up a
story, and then selling them to the gullible is ok in my book.
Great info, Mariah2, and thank you for really understanding the spirit of my post.

Really, honestly, I would have thought it was very obvious given the tags in the Etsy listing that
this was not a serious Wiccan listing (Tags - emphasis mine: Geekery Fantasy Magic magic
wand fairy witch wizard hogwarts magic wand harry potter magical salem halloween wiccan).
There was just enough odd in there to make me think "Dude is really reaching because he
thinks this is what will sell them".

I'm glad that most people understood what I posted.

janedoescrapper2 - you are not some kind of grand champion for religious rights. This thread
was never about religion until YOU came in here and tried to make it about religion. If anyone
here is a bitch, it's you, sweetheart. Now please, for sanity's sake, carry out your original
intentions in the 5th post you made on this thread -
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Posted: 12/14/2011 4:22:58 PM
- and just...be "out". At this point, I'm done responding to you.
Ok, with all due respect to you Ohio people, that is not the touchdown Jesus, Touchdown Jesus
is in South Bend...
But, but...Wiki said!!! *checks Wiki again*

*DOH!* Well, turns out I was confused. Wiki - Touchdown Jesus

"Big Butter Jesus" is called "King of Kings".

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:29:25 PM

yes, it is.

Would that be from a magical snake?

If you paid money for magical anything you got taken, LOL.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:30:19 PM
You missed the rest of her post though....but whatever. Doesn't surprise me. And yes I will
leave now because some of you are hell bent and will not stop, no matter what anyone says.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:35:12 PM
JaneDoe....perhaps you shouldn't have stepped over to the dark side. Run along back to the
scrapbooking board and stop bothering the bitches who live here.

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.....because some of you are hell bent and will not stop, no matter what anyone says.

Irony alert!!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 2:42:05 PM
Um I-95 I am a regular here and have never posted on the SB board.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:52:03 PM
Wiki or not, the statue off I75 in Ohio was, indeed, well known and referred to as Touchdown
Jesus. It was also called Big Butter Jesus, probably due to its color.

I'm laughing at the name King of Kings because I bet only the members of that church ever
called it that. The dude was Touchdown Jesus and/or BigButter Jesus.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 7:27:49 PM
FYI: Items taken or gathered from important or sacred areas ARE "more magical." Especially if
said place has a lot of spiritual significance, which for American witches, Salem, Mass.
absolutely does.
I have a question. I thought that a lot of innocent people were killed based on the mass
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people the girls/town disliked. If that is the case, why would this be a sacred place to witches?
Is my understanding incorrect?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:04:45 PM
Becky, I was wondering the exact same thing. I was also wondering why throngs of those
whose consider downed sticks on sacred ground to be highly magickal didn't flock to the area
after the hurricane or any storm, for that matter.

-edited to fix an incomplete sentence

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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:21:33 PM
Thanks for that great post Mariah2. It was really interesting! However, I was thinking the exact
thing BeckyTech was. All I can ever remember learning in school is that the Salem "witches"
were a bunch of teenage girls being accused after spreading gossip or coming down with a
virus or otherwise acting "unladylike". So I am confused if this is true, why would there be
more powerful items that come from a particular graveyard in Salem? Would it have
something to do not with who is buried there, but the symbolism of who is buried there? Can
you elaborate any on this?

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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:47:40 PM
What an absurd statement to make. I am ashamed of every single poster who denounced
Wicca. Poking fun at the belief systems of others is sick, sad and absurd.

Thanks janedoescrapper, Mariah2 and the other kind-hearted people for being civilized and
not joining in on the ruthless bashing. You will receive plaques of honor with my signature on
them.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:59:05 PM
You will receive plaques of honor with my signature on them.
wow, what an honour!!
Could I please order one 'I am so ashamed of you' plague with your signature?
I'd like purple glitter on it please... wait, are these more than $10? and can you tell me what
breed of dog piddled on the tree you are using for the plaques? I'd prefer a large dog, that way
the disdain in it would be "more powerful" & more meaningful to me.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:03:27 PM
I will get my own dog, Bo, to pee on it for you.

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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:10:57 PM
Excellent!

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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:13:31 PM
And because you are Australian you will not have to pay for it.

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I have a question. I thought that a lot of innocent people were killed based on the mass
hysteria of bored pre-teen/teen girls. IOW, no actual witches were involved, just innocent
people the girls/town disliked. If that is the case, why would this be a sacred place to witches?

Oh that's whole argument right there. Argh. Don't get me started.

It would be hard for me to speak for all of witchingdom on this bc my own beliefs do not
follow the party line.

The short answer is, most Wiccans and witches believe strongly in what is called The Burning
Times, which starts with the publishing of the Malleus Malleficarum by the Inquisition and
culminates in Salem.

I personally believe some research that says there were no Burning Times at all, it is symbolic
only. But that research is not well known most Wiccans and witches and Pagans will talk about
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and the execution of hundreds of thousands (or millions) of mostly women who practiced
hedge magic and followed the so-called Old Ways with a thin onverlay of pseudo-Christianity.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 7:44:38 AM
All I can ever remember learning in school is that the Salem "witches" were a bunch of teenage
girls being accused after spreading gossip or coming down with a virus or otherwise acting
"unladylike". So I am confused if this is true, why would there be more powerful items that
come from a particular graveyard in Salem?

Well, history is always rewritten by the victors, that's what I would say.

The only comparison I could draw would be between orthodox and gnostic Christianity in the
very early Christian times. Those who were part of "the establishment" not only decided what
was canon, they also destroyed and dismissed any information or texts that did not agree with
their telling of Jesus.

I think someone asked why eveyrone isn't picking up sticks. I have never been to Salem (I do
wish I could get there), but my understanding is that it is quite the tourist destination, and I am
willing to go out on a limb and say there are probably MANY shops selling similar items made
from similar materials.

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'I am so ashamed of you' plague with your signature?

Was "plague" a typo? LOL

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Posted: 12/16/2011 7:48:13 AM
Really, honestly, I would have thought it was very obvious given the tags in the Etsy listing that
this was not a serious Wiccan listing (Tags - emphasis mine: Geekery Fantasy Magic magic
wand fairy witch wizard hogwarts magic wand harry potter magical salem halloween wiccan).
There was just enough odd in there to make me think "Dude is really reaching because he
thinks this is what will sell them".

Thanks for the info. I was replying more to what I read on the thread here and didn't address
the etsy shop itself.

IMO, anyone who tries selling witchcraft of magick items and links them to HARRY POTTER is a
charlatan and a huckster and deserves any and all snark you want to direct that way. Gah!
Harry Potter is NOT related to Paganism or religion! grr.

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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:19:54 AM
Are you saying that just because the word "witch" is involved that the Wiccans are claiming
this (Salem witch trials) as a special event?

Remember, I don't know anything about Wiccans, I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse. So
maybe, because of your knowledge, you are making connections that I'm unable to. I glanced
at the Wikipedia info on Malleus Maleficarum and it did not really help me.
The main purpose of the Malleus was to attempt to systematically refute arguments claiming
that witchcraft does not exist, discredit those who expressed skepticism about its reality, to
claim that witches were more often women than men, and to educate magistrates on the
procedures that could find them out and convict them.

Here is my line of thinking. Salem witch trials = exercise in mass hysteria. Had nothing to do
with witches. Therefore I can think of absolutely no reason why it would mean anything to
Wiccans.

Can you try a Take 2 please? I really would like to understand.

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Are you saying that just because the word "witch" is involved that the Wiccans are claiming
this (Salem witch trials) as a special event?

Sorry I missed your comment. The short answer, IMO, is yes.

I cannot say there is a definitive answer on the subject. Most Wiccans/witches do not have
PhDs, many don't even have college degrees. There is very little in the way of "academic"
research and what there is, most Wiccans do not have access to. They read trade books
published by Llewellyn, which is not a peer-reviewed scholarly publisher. Basically anyone can
write whatever they want and sell it. Some authors have more cachet than others. But there is
no "canon" at this time.

Hm let me see if I can draw a Christian correlation. Ask any Christian and they will affirm up
and down and sideways that Jesus of Nazareth actually existed and that the Synoptic Gospels
(Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are historical documents telling of actual events.

However, there is no extra-Biblical record of the existence of Jesus. There is one statement in
Josephus (Jewish historian) and I would agree with many arguments that said statement is a
later addition to the text (eg, a forgery), possibly made by an early Church father (such as
Origen or Irenaeus, I don't have any notes handy on that).

But ask anyone, ask non Christians, heck even ask atheists, and there will be a general
consensus of belief that there was an actual person named Jesus of Nazareth who existed as a
person, and even agreement that this historical person was executed for political reasons by
the Romans. No actual Roman records of such an event exist... more importantly there are no
Roman tax records that Nazareth even existed. (And there's a whole underlying significance of
"Nazarene" that has been lost to the regular believer)

Likewise, my own argument (which might be vehemently argued against, just like a bazillion
people will rain down upon my head that OMGJESUS WAS A REAL!!! PERSON!!!) is that actual
modern Wicca and witchcraft has NOTHING to do, whatsover, with the Salem witch trials,
whether there were actual witches at the time or not. However, there is a strong belief and
therefore a connection.

Part of the issue is that the Malleus kind of affirms that witchcraft was a real and really existed,
and was a real fear of the Catholic church, and therefore modern Wicca is not some made up
hocus pocus, bc LOOK it's HISTORICAL.

But you know, what was witchcraft? It is all mixed up in midwifery, herbal healing, Goddess
worship, tribal religions, Earth- and place-centered beliefs, and so on.

It's basically a really complicated topic and I am no expert. But I myself would feel a spiritual
connection to the Salem witch trials. Mainly bc Wicca and witchcraft are partly based on the
idea that strong beliefs, over time, create reality.

Therefore, if enough people come to believe it, that can make it so. What people create in this
world has reflections in the non-physical world. If enough people believe in and fathom a
spiritual connection to Salem, then that reality comes to exist, even if it is not historically
accurate. Religion is not science. And Wicca is not based on historical events (the way Judaism,
Christianity, and Islam are).

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Here is my line of thinking. Salem witch trials = exercise in mass hysteria. Had nothing to do
with witches. Therefore I can think of absolutely no reason why it would mean anything to
Wiccans.

Can you try a Take 2 please? I really would like to understand.

This is why I was aprroached and asked to give out wood to be made in wands. The local coven
was so sick to thier back teeth that every sweingle wand on sale online had to have some
majical link to Salem they started making thier own.

Until a guy turned up with a tandem trailor and tried to take my entire garden so he could sell
therm as straight from Salem. I had him banned from the coven and thrown out of craft fairs
for false advertising.

I take Chariltans who try and play on the myths surrounding the murder of innocents very
seriously. And would never ever find any wand made from a graveyard in Salem cool.

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Posted: 12/21/2011 7:40:56 PM
Mariah, it took me a while to find this thread again, but thank you for your posts! They are
very interesting and I can tell you took a good amount of time and consideration in writing
them. Thanks for clearing up some of my questions.

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Posted: 12/21/2011 9:02:12 PM
Okay Mariah, I am not smart. I have to take a while to read your posts to understand the
context. So, do you personally believe that the women who were hung were witches? If not,
why would you want a wand from a cemetery? I guess the only connection I see is Wiccans
having empathy for the "witches" in Salem, because they are misunderstood as well?

I am related to Rebecca Nurse and I don't know, but I kind of see it as disrespectful to take
items for profit from a sacred place where loved ones are buried.

Also, is there any beliefs that certain powers (traits?) (I know there is a better word)can be
passed down one generation to another?

rainbow_scrapper
patience.

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Posted: 12/21/2011 9:54:36 PM
I am related to Rebecca Nurse and I don't know, but I kind of see it as disrespectful to take
items for profit from a sacred place where loved ones are buried.

I think so too. I geocache and don't like caches in cem

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