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Scientificaccuracyaside,that'saverygood1
pagedesignscheme.Simple,loadsquickly,
noelaborateanimations,hugeamountofinfo
organizedcarefullyandhiddenwhereneeded,
veryresponsive3columndesignthatutilizes
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elements.
I'mnotnearlyknowledgeableenoughtosay
whetherthecontentisbullshitornot,but
sincethisis/r/InternetIsBeautiful,Ithought
I'dsaywhatIthoughtaboutthewebsite
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Thismakesmeveryconcerned.Inprinciplea
scientificapproachtobodybuilding(whichis
synonymouswithfitnesstotheauthor,ared
flagrightinthetitle)soundslikeagreat
idea.However,lotsofpeoplegivingadviceon
theinternetbelievetheirmethodsare
scientific.Thatdoesn'tmakethemso.
Whereistheevidence?Wherearethe
credentialedmedicalexpertsandcitationsof
thelatestscientificfindings?Theauthor,Mr.
Lapiak(whosenameisonlyfoundinthe
page'scopyrightandthefrontoftheebook
he'sselling),presentsnocredentialsother
than"apassiontohelpothers"andthose
killerdelts.Thevastmajorityofinformation
isprovidedinunequivocalstatementswithout
citationstheonesthatactuallyhavelinksgo
toblogpostsasoftenasPubMed,andeven
thescientificarticleslooklikeoneoffstudies
ofvaryingevidentiarystrengthimportant
questionslikethesearenotdecidedinthe
medicalcommunityuntilalargenumberof
powerfulstudieshavereproducedthesame
resultandacomprehensivemetaanalysisis
done.
Inparticularlookatthedietsection.There
aregraphswithnosource,evenforthe
underlyingdataiftheauthordrewthem
himself.Arethesegraphsbasedonactual
data?Oraretheyjustgivingaspurioussense
ofquantitytotheauthor'stotallysubjective
impressions?
Ortakethis:

Somethingnotunique(includesmost
blogs,tumblrs,etc.)
Sitesthatserveassomethingthathas
beendonetodeathoverandoveragain
andmostpeopleherehaveprobably
alreadyheardof.(i.e,facebook.com,
netflix.com)
Comments
Weenforceastandardofcommondecency
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Somethingdifferent?Try/r/InternetIsUgly.Ifyou
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Ifthissubredditforwhateverreasonfailsto
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That'sjargonfromorganicfoodretailers,not
medicallysoundadvice.Mostrawplantsand
meatsneedtobe"processed"(cooked?
peeled?rinsed?deboned?)beforethey're
evensafetoeat,andwhetherthat'sdone
beforeoraftersaleismuchlessimportant
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thanthewayinwhichitisdone:afrozen
dinnerfromthehealthfoodaisleismuch
betterforyouthansomethingyoumadefrom
scratchaccordingtoaPaulaDeenrecipe.
Andthis:
Despitecoeliacdiseaseaffectingonlya
smallpercentageofthepopulation,wheat
sensitivityiscommon.
Morerecentstudiesthantheonecited,
includingsomebyothergroupswhoinitially
reportedthesamething,havedebunkedthis
andconfirmedwhattheexpertsweresaying
foryears:peoplewhoselfreportgluten
sensitivitywithoutceliacdiseasearegenerally
not,infact,sensitivetogluten.Specificor
lessspecificfoodintolerancesdoexist,but
theyshouldbeconfirmedbyanactual
medicaldiagnosisbeforeyouchangeyour
lifestylearoundthemglutensensitivity,ifit
evenexistsoutsideceliacdisease,isnot
nearlyascommonastheselfdiagnosesof
same.Oh,bytheway,Mr.Lapiakspells
coeliactheBritishway(Americanswrite
celiac),butintheprevioussentencehespells
diarrheatheAmericanway(it'sdiarrhoea
acrossthepond)Isuspectarealscientific
expertwouldknowwhichcountryhe'sin.
Orfortherealkicker,scrolldowntotheFad
PopularDietssection.Speculativemedical
evidencefreeregimens(andconspicuously
onlytwoofthemthatarepopularonreddit)
arepresentedasifitwerenotevena
questionwhetheradietactuallyworks.A
panelofexpertsratedthe"PaleoDiet"dead
lastinacomparisonof32populardiet
regimens:"Expertstookissuewiththediet
oneverymeasure.Regardlessofthegoal
weightloss,hearthealth,orfindingadiet
thatseasytofollowmostexpertsconcluded
thatitwouldbebetterfordieterstolook
elsewhere."(Nottomentionthedubiousness
ofthebasicpremisethatweshouldwantto
eatlikehuntergatherersinthefirstplace,let
alonethatthisisevenhowtheydid/do.)
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There'sawordforblendingpettheorieswith
actualscientificfindingsanddressingthem
upinscientificjargon(includingtheword
science):pseudoscience.Thatis,something
madetoresembleascientificfindingeven
thoughitisnotone.Sure,Mr.Lapiakseems
tohaveagenuineinterestinreplacingfolk
wisdomwithscienceandheknowshisleptin
fromhisghrelin,butreadingalotofbooks
andisolatedscientificabstractsisnota
substituteforyearsofpostgraduatetraining
andmedicalpractice.I'mverygladthathe's
doneallthisreadingandonbalancehis
lifestyleisprobablybetterforit,butit's
anotherthingentirelytotelltheGeneral
Publicthathissummaryofscientificfindings
isauthoritative.Manywillbelieveitbecause
hesaysso,andbecauseofthatbitchin'web
design,andbecauseofallthosethingsthat
looklikescientificdatavisualizationsbut
aren'tdemonstrablyvisualizingactual
scientificdata,andbecausehethrowsaround
alotoftechnicaltermswithgenerallyhigh
accuracy.
Inmyopinionitissociallyirresponsibletouse
thewordsciencesoprominentlyinthis
website(andebook).WhenIread"Simple
ScienceFitness",IthinkFinally!Someexpert
isgoingtosmackdownallthosebroswho
heardfromafriendofafriendthata
scientificstudyprobablyfoundatsomepoint
thatyoushoulddoyourstretchesunderwater
orwhatever.Butthisisjustonediligent
hobbyist'smanifesto,inwhichmuchisbased
onahighschoollevelunderstandingof
biochemistry(ahugeleapupfrommost
people)butasmuchisalsobasedontrendy
memessupportedbyamisunderstandingof
howtointerpretajournalabstract.Itseems
boundtomisleadalotofpeopletoward
unhealthylifestylechoicesintheshortrun
(nothingtoogravefromthelookofit)anda
misplacedskepticismaboutscienceinthe
longrun(likeallthoseprematurereportsthat
foodXdecreasesyourriskofdiseaseYoh
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butwaititalsoincreasesyourriskofZoh
butwait...).AssuchIhavetodownvoteit.
ChangethetitletoSimpleBroscienceFitness
andthenwe'lltalk.
EDIT:slightwordingchanges
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[] lapiak

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35points5monthsago

Hi/u/Epistaxis
feedback.

,thanksforyour

I'vespentoveradecadereadingbooks
onfitnessandnutritionandusedmyself
asaguineapig.Thebiggestthingthat
manywouldsharemysentimentwithis
howit'ssoeasytocomeacross
numerouscontradictionsormyths,
especiallyinnutrition.SoIdecidedto
createawebpagethatisaliving
documentthatgetsupdatedeverytime
therearenewfindingsoncurrent
research.
Pleasebeawarethatnutritionisan
evolvingdisciplinethatisheavily
polarizing.You'llseescientistsbutting
headswithnoclearconsensuson
whetherornotsaturatedfatishealthy
orharmful,anditturnsoutthereare
interdependentandnumerousvariables
thatdoesn'tgiveonesimpleanswer.
It'sdifficulttocreateaconcisewebpage
thattouchesonthecomplexityof
nutrition,soI'vecreatedtwolayersof
information:(a)theconciseevidenceof
whatweknow,(b)thatissupportedby
professionals/evidenceviathenumerous
hyperlinksthroughoutthesite.FYI,
PubMedisnotablogbutawebsitethat
"comprisesmorethan24million
citationsforbiomedicalliteraturefrom
MEDLINE,lifesciencejournals,and
onlinebooks."
Wedifferonsemanticsfor"processed
food."WhenyouenterintoaGoogle
searchwillgiveyouthetophitof
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"conveniencefood"whichis
"commerciallypreparedfooddesigned
foreaseofconsumption[which]include
preparedfoodssuchasreadytoeat
foods,frozenfoodssuchasTVdinners,
shelfstableproductsandprepared
mixessuchascakemix."
IntheBusinessInsiderarticleyou
linkedto,theresearcharticlelinked
(PubMed,btw)said,"Inallparticipants,
gastrointestinalsymptomsconsistently
andsignificantlyimprovedduring
reducedFODMAPintake,but
significantlyworsenedtoasimilar
degreewhentheirdietsincludedgluten
orwheyprotein."Iwon'tgofurtherinto
thetopicofglutensensitivityor
intolerancehere,andIdonotadvocate
glutenfreeprocessedproductsfor
anyoneeither,butthisisacontroversial
topicthatiswayoverblown.
FortheUSATodayarticleyoucited,a
criticaleyewouldbeskepticaltosee
howSlimFastandJennyCraigwould
trumpawholefoodsbaseddietbecause
a"panelofexperts"thinksit'stoo
difficultformoderntimes.Comeon.
Thisisoneofthereasonswhythe
Westernizationoffoodismaking
everyonesickandobese.
Let'smakeitclearthatpaleoisafad
diet.It'snew,it'spopular,it'sallthe
hypelikeCrossFitisinthefitnessworld.
Paleoisn'tclearlydefinedeitheraswe
havearangefromstrictpaleotoloose
paleo,andit'ssillywhenpeoplegetall
pedanticaboutwhetherpaleohasto
exactlyreplicatewhatthecavemenate.
Thepointofpaleoisthatitfocuseson
wholefoods,andit'sanobrainerthat
wholefoodsarewhatthehumanspecies
haveevolvedtoprepare,tocook,andto
consumebeforewefoundthecapacity
tomodifyandmanufacturefoods.
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ImadeitclearinmydisclaimerthatI
amnotamedicalorbiochemistry
professional.Iamawebdesignerwho
wantstohelpotherpeopleimprove
theirlifestyleandunderstandthe
basics.Ifthereisinformationonmysite
thatisflatoutwrong,Iwouldloveto
havesomeonecontactmeandprovide
mewithareputablesource,andIsee
someredditorshaveprovidedsome
goodsuggestions.Thesitehascomea
longwaysinceitfirstlaunched,andmy
goalistokeepitaccurateandfactual.
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3points5monthsago

HiMrLapiak,I'vejustreadthe
pagefromtoptobottom.It
meshesrathercloselywithwhati
wastoldbyapersonaltrainer,one
whotookthetimetoexplainsome
ofthesciencebehindweightlifting
andfitnesswithme.Fora
submissionto
/r/InternetIsBeautiful,itcertainly
isawelldesignedpage,but
you'veobviouslyputalotofeffort
intoprovidingenoughinformation
forbeginnerstoifImayguess
avoidthemistakesyou'vemade.
Tomyeyes,itlooksallgood,as
doesyourresponseto
/u/Epistaxis .I'vegoneand
bookmarkedthepage.
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[] tfwqij

94points5monthsago

Okay,sothisisbullshit.IfIwantto
startbeinghealthy,wheredoIgo?
WherecanIfindactualfactsabouthow
toeatrightandhowtoexerciseright?
Everytimethereissomethingoutthere
thatoutlineshowtoproperlyeator
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exerciseorsomecombinationthereof,it
getscalledoutforbeingbullshit.Well
thenwhatissomeonetodo?Ihave
literallyneverheardofa"proper"wayto
eat.Andtherehastobesomethingout
there,somebasicguidelines.
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[] ataraxic89

16points5monthsago

Areyoutryingtoloseweightor
justeat"healthy"
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[] tfwqij
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Iwanttostartbyeating
whatIactuallyshould.The
losingweightpartcancome
onceIgetadietsetup,soI
don'tassociatethedietwith
losingweight
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[] [deleted]8points5
monthsago

Ithinkthat'sgood
plan.
It'sreallynotrocket
science.The
thermodynamicstuff
therewascorrect.
I'mdown6kgsince
lastChristmas.AllI've
doneisnotbuysweets,
trytorundaily.Istill
eatsweetswhen
offeredandmy
runningissporadic,
maybethreetimesper
weekonaverage.
Themindsetis
probablylotmore
importantthanthe
caloricintake.Youcant
countcalorieswithout
thediscipline.Sotryto
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thinkpositive.Running
seemsespeciallygood
becauseitseemsto
makeslighthungerbit
moretolerable.(I
reallydon'tknowwhy)
Andyougetthefeeling
you'reactuallydoing
somethingforyourself.
Ifyoustartexercise,
startwiththebarset
aslowaspossible
withoutfeeling
completelyridiculous.
Inthebeginningits
notaboutbuilding
muscle,itsabout
buildingahabit.
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[] tfwqij
3points
5monthsago

Thankyou,I
reallyjustwant
tofigureouta
waytolivea
healthylifestyle.
OnceIhavethat,
findingoneor2
thingsto
add/subtractfor
afewmonthsto
getdowntoa
weightIam
happywithwill
bemucheasier.
AlsowhenIstop
doingthosething
thathelpmelose
weightIwillstill
beableto
maintaina
healthylifestyle.
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[] RitchieThai
monthsago

9points5

I'vebeenontheroad
oftryingtoproperly
understandproperdiet
andnutritionalong
time,andmy
conclusionisthatthe
informationavailablein
theworldisjustfilled
withtoomuchnoise
andcrappseudoscience
andlackofproperdata
toreallyunderstand
thingswithoutjust
readingahugeamount
andthinkingvery
criticallyaboutit.It
reallybugsme,and
strikesachordwith
me.
Ifyoujustwantabasic
simpledecentdiet,
that'snotsohard.But
there'sadecentchance
thatinadditionto
learningthatdecent
diet,you'llpickupa
gooddealof
misinformationonthe
way.
Don'tjustjudgeit
basedonwhetherit
seemsscientific.Don't
judgeitpurelybased
onwhetherithas
studiessupportingit,
becausestudiescanbe
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poororoutdatedby
newerstudies.There's
contradictory
informationalloverthe
place,evenfrom
seeminglyreliable
sources.Sodoubt
absolutelyeverything.
Thebeststartingpoint
forjustgeneralgood
eatingI'mawareofis
theHarvardHealthy
EatingPlate.Youwon't
haveafull
understandingof
everythingfromthis,
butit'sagoodstarting
point.
Butit'sridiculousthe
amountof
misinformationout
there.Theideaofa
completeproteinand
proteinmixingfor
example.It'sreally
mostlyaveganthing
sinceifyoueatmeat
youhavenoproblems
here,butahuge
numberofsources
explainhowtogetall
theaminoacidsyou
need,youshouldeat
mealswithdifferent
proteinsourcesmixed
togethertoensureyou
haveacomplete
proteinwithallthe
aminoacids.It'savery
commonidea.But...
Itturnsouttheperson
whoinventedthis
conceptinthefirst
placehasrejectedthis
idea,asnewerresearch
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revealsthatplantfoods
haveasignificantly
greatervarietyof
aminoacidsthan
previouslybelieved,
andthequantityof
proteinahumanneeds
isalsolessthan
previouslybelieved.
Butthenyouhaveto
doubtthateven.
Therearethosewho
saythesameamount
ofproteinfrom
differentsourcesis
processedbythebody
indifferentways,so20
gramsofproteinfrom
plantscan'tbe
absorbedaseffectively
as20gramsofprotein
frommeat.Isittrue?I
suspectit'satleast
slightlytrue,butI
thinkthatreachesa
pointwheremodern
sciencejustdoesn't
quiteknowyet.
AndnotethatIhaven't
citedanyofthis,andI
won'tbotherbecause
asIsaidyouhaveto
doubtitallanyway.
Andalsoyoudon't
needtoknowthisif
you'renotvegan
anyway,butit's
interesting.
Ohyeah,the
governmentislyingto
youbytheway.Don't
usetheofficialfood
guideprovidedbythe
government,because
it'scrapworkingto
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promotethe
agricultureindustryas
opposedtobeinga
propernutritionguide,
andsignificantlyover
exaggeratesthe
importanceofdairy,
whichyoureallydon't
needtobedrinkingat
allandI'dargueis
actuallyingeneral
morebadforyouthan
goodforyou.Itcanbe
perfectlyreasonably
includedinadiet,but
Igrewupdrinkingmilk
veryinfrequently,and
hadconcernsabout
whetherIwasgetting
enoughcalciumand
vitaminDwhenever
thisstuffcameup.
Turnsoutrecent
researchdoesn'teven
thinkcalciumisgood
foryouanymorein
highquantities.
Andsaltisn'tbadfor
you.
Anddoestofugiveyou
cancerandmanboobs?
No.Noitdoesn't.But
thereareasignificant
numberofsources
backedbyscientific
studiesthatsayit
does.It'snotentirely
wrong,butfromwhat
I'vegathered,it's
mostlynotaconcern.
Foodgroupsand
servingsizesare
abstractionsdesigned
tohelppeople
determineina
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convenient
approximatewaywhat
areasonablediet
shouldbe,andit'snice
forestimation,butit's
justanabstraction.
Whenyougetdownto
it,youdon't
necessarilyneeda
certainnumberof
vegetablesandgrains
andmeatandwhatnot.
Therearedifferent
waystodividethings
up.More
fundamentallyyou
needmacronutrients
andmicronutrients,
macronutrientsbeing
carbohydrates,fat,and
protein,andmicro
beingthingsyouneed
insmallquantities
includingvitaminsand
minerals.Youalso
needtherightamount
ofessentialamino
acids,whichget
groupedunderprotein.
Fatandcarbohydrates
arelargelyenergy
sources,andthere's
poorconsensuson
whetheryouwant
morefatormore
carbohydrates.I'm
currentlyleaning
towardthebeliefthat
morefatisbetter,but
giventhelackof
scientificconsensus,I
justdon'tbother
caringaboutitaslong
asI'vegotsomeof
bothandenough
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energytolive.
Andgoingbackupto
foodgroups,grainsare
primarily
carbohydrates,meatis
amixofcarbohydrate
andprotein,and
vegetablesfromwhatI
cantellaremainlya
sourceofmicro
nutrientsanddietary
fibre.FromwhatIcan
tell,youdon'tneed
fibretolive,butit'll
makeyoufeelbetter
bykeepingyourblood
sugarlowandmaking
yourpoopsmore
comfortable.
It'sjustanabsolute
mess.
Butifyoujustwantto
bebasicallyhealthy,
yourdailycaloricneeds
roughlycorrespondto
yourweight,andforan
averagepersonis
prettycloseto2000.If
you'retryingtolose
weight,youreduce
thatbyabit,butnot
toomuch.Ican't
rememberwhatwas
consideredsafeIthink
reduceitby500
caloriesatmost.Ifyou
exercisethenyouneed
morecalories.
Eatmorevegetables.
Intermsofsheer
quantity,maybemake
abouthalfwhatyou
eatcomefrom
vegetables.Quantity
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mightmeaneither
volumeormassit's
nottotallyclear.I'm
notevensureyou
actuallyneedsomany
vegetables,butit
certainlywon'tharm
you.Justfollowthe
HarvardHealthyEating
Plate,really.
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[] ataraxic89
5monthsago

10points

That'snothowweight
lossworks.Weightloss
isnothingmorethan
eatinglesscalories
thanyouburn.What
youshouldactually
eat,eatwhatever.I
mean,Ithinkitgoes
withoutsayingthat
youshouldavoidfast
food,andeatoutin
moderation.Thething
mostpeoplegetwrong
isthatYoudonthave
tobeadietNazitolive
healthily.Avoiddeep
friedfoods,don'tdrink
tomuch,avoidnormal
soda,avoidfruitjuice,
drinkmilkin
moderation.Eatfresh
fruitsandveggies.Eat
steamedveggies.Have
fatsandsimplesugars
inmoderation.You
don'thavetoavoid
themliketheplague,
orshameothersfor
eatingthem(assome
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do).Andyoudon't
havetoonlyeatsalad
orbehungry.Just
yesterdayimade
myselfa9ozsteakand
Russetpotatofor700
calories.Aslongasi
don'teatpotatoes
everyday,itsnothing
toworryabout.
Thethingis,these
sites,andbroscience
people,aremostly
fanatics,andmostof
themareoverdoingit.
Usecommonsense,
avoidtonsofsimple
sugar,saturatedfats,
andsalt.Thatdoesn't
meannevereatthem.
Justnotallthetime.
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[] beager
19
points5monthsago

Goodpoint,but
fromapractical
standpoint,
eating"clean"as
afirststepis
actuallyhow
weightlosscan
work.You'reright
thatcaloricdeficit
isthemechanism
throughwhich
weightloss
occurs,butif
/u/twfqij
decidestoclean
uptheirdietasa
precursorto
attemptingto
loseweight,this
maysetthemup
withamuch
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greaterchanceat
success,since,at
leastinmy
experience,I've
foundclean
eatingtobe
easiertomanage
acaloricdeficit
with.
Regardlessofthe
scienceof
anything,the
routinesand
habitsofan
individual
attemptingto
changetheir
healthorbody
compositionare
tremendously
important.
TLDR:There's
thescience
behindweight
loss,andthere
arethehabits
behindweight
loss.Theymay
bedifferent,but
they'reboth
important,and
focusingtoo
muchononeor
theothermayset
youupforfailure.
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[] tfwqij
3
points5months
ago

Thankyou.
AllIwant
rightnowis
tosetupa
groupof
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thingsto
buyatthe
store,and
cookwith
them.
General
ratiosof
those
things
shouldbe
plentyright
now.Iused
tobean
athlete,but
permanent
injuries
haveleft
meinable
tocontinue
playthat
sport.The
transition
awayfrom
25hoursof
intense
exercisea
day(witha
dietthat
probably
wasn'tgood
then)has
leftmeina
prettybad
physical
state.I
wanttobe
abletoset
updietthat
Icansafely
liveon.
OnceIhave
achieved
that,Ican
moveonto
obtaininga
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workout
regimen
thatallows
formy
injuries.
The
combination
ofthese
thingswill
probably
bringmy
weight
downtoa
saferlevel.
ThenIwill
beableto
pushtoget
toalevel
thatis
optimal,
andgoback
to
maintenance
levelsin
both
exercise
anddiet.
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[] ataraxic89
2
points5
months
ago

Idont
work
outat
all
and
have
been
losing
4
pounds
a
week.
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Itwill
slow
asI
lose
weight
(very
obese)
butits
avery
comfortable
diet.
Something
Ican
maintain
forever.
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[] lingenfelter22
2points5monthsago

Everythingin
moderation.
That'sreallyall
thereistoit.
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[] anotherbeerguy
3points5
monthsago

Ireada
bookafew
yearsback
called
something
likethe'4
S's'.Since
followingits
adviceI've
beenable
toloseand
keepoffat
least10
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extra
pounds.I
wasn't
muchover
weightbut
started
addingona
fewpounds
peryear
afterIhit
my40's.
WhatIdois
eatafull
plateof
food3
timesper
dayand
stopafter
thefirst
plate("s"
#1isno
2nd
helpings)
2nd"S"is
nosnacksin
between
meals."S"
#3isno
sweets.Any
fooditem
whose
caloriesare
derived
50%or
morefrom
sugaris
definedasa
"sweet".
The4th"S"
isthat
dietary
rulescanbe
brokenon
daysthat
startwith
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theletter
"S".Soyou
candeviate
fromthe
ruleson
Saturday,
Sundayand
special
occasions.
SoNo
Snacks,No
Sweets,No
Seconds
excepton
daysthat
startwith
theletter
'S'iswhat
hashelped
meloseand
keepoff
extra
weight.I
don'thave
tobea
"dieting
paininthe
a***"when
Iget
together
withfriends
andFamily.
Icanenjoy
itasa
special
occasion
andnotfeel
I'ma
"dieting
failure".
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[] ShrimShrim

43points5monthsago

Thisarticleisn'tbullshit.It's
mostlycorrectandalotofthese
ideasareacceptedasfactand
generallydon'tneedalitanyof
supportinglinks.Ignorethe
sectiononspecificdiets,butpay
attentiontothesectionson
macronutrientsandwholefoods.
Ifyouwanttogethealthy,this
articlewillhelpyou.
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[] [deleted]10points5monthsago

Ireallywanttostate,althoughive
onlylookedataglanceatthissite,
thattheparentcommentis
misleading.Yes,therearemassive
scientificflawswiththe
methodologythesiteispreaching
butthatdoesnotinvalidatethe
claims,itjustmeansthatthe
writershouldbegivingallowance
forhisinfobeingincorrect.
Simplemethod,exerciseanda
strictdiet.Realisticmethod?
Therearesucharangeofideas
thatworkoutthere,butoften
theydontworkforeveryone.What
isyourgoal?Whatareyoutrying
toachieve,whereareyoucoming
frominfitness,areyou100%
unfitandfinddifficultyinholding
justaokaydiet/exercise,orare
youwantingtorefineyourselfetc.
Theadviseinthissiteisnotbad,
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justittriestopresentitsselfas
puresciencewhenitstooflawed
tobecalledfact.
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[] RedditGTdigg
ago

parent

12points5months

Evenworse...Youknowthat
governmentTriangleoffood,base
vegetables,workyourwayup?
Yeah,thatoneisbullshittoo,no
sciencebehindit.
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[] xdonutx
8points5months
ago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Whataboutthenewone?
Theyrevisedthefood
pyramidafewyearsago.It's
onagovernmentwebsite,so
I'mnotsureifithasabias
ornotbutitseemspretty
straightforward.
It'satwww.myplate.gov
(sorryI'monmobile)
Edit:Idungoofed.Theurlis
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/
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[] RitchieThai
monthsago

parent
5points5

Istillseedairyonit.
Youcaneatdairy,but
youcertainlydon't
needit.Basedonthat
aloneIdon'ttrustit.
WehavetheHarvard
HealthyEatingPlate
noneedforthe
government's
agriculturemotivated
oneanymore.
It'snottheworstthing
ever.Thegovernment
oneisadecent
approximationofa
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healthydiet,butit's
notasgoodasitcould
be.
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[] WellMannered
ago

12points5months

Hereyago:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/index
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[] hermit05
ago

3points5months

Didn'tknow!Thanks!
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32points5monthsago

It'sactuallynotbullshit.Ifyou
wanttoloseweight,youreally
don'thavetogoanyfurtherthan
caloriesin<caloriesout.Youcan
useMyFitnessPalforthat.
I'velostover50poundsthisyear
justdoingthatandbikingtowork
everyday.
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[] MrBokbagok
monthsago

27points5

Ifyouwanttolose
weight,youreallydon't
havetogoanyfurther
thancaloriesin<calories
out.
Thisishyperbolebuteating
1500caloriesofonlybread
willcauseyoutoloseweight
andalsocausemalnutrition.
ThereISaproperwaytoeat
anditisn'tjustputtingany
calorieinyourmouth
withoutaccountingforthe
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nutrientsyourbodyneedsto
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[] Enex
19points5
monthsago

Ofcourse.Ibelievethe
articlelinkeddiscusses
this.
Thegreatthingabout
caloriesin<calories
outisthatthefirstwall
you'llrunintois
satiation.Ifyoueat
foodsthatarereally
highincalories,and
youkeeptothe
caloriesin<calories
outrule,you'llfind
yourselfhungry.
1500caloriesofice
creamisnotalotof
foodfortheentireday.
Ontheotherhand,
you'llfindthatyoucan
eatlotsandlotsof
vegetablesforthe
samecaloriebudget.
Yourdietwillguideyou
tohealthierfoods
naturallytoappease
satiation.
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[] RitchieThai
2points5
monthsago*(lastedited5months
ago)

SomethingIpersonally
foundquiteinteresting
thoughisthatwhen
yourunthenumbers,
yougetenoughprotein
ifyoueatnothingbut
breadasyoursourceof
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energy.You'llbe
deficientinother
importantthingslike
fats,vitamins,
minerals,but
theoreticallyyouhave
therightamountof
protein.
STARTOFEDIT
AndsinceI'venoticed
thiscommentjumping
upanddownbetween
0and1point,I
assumesomepeople
areskeptical,sohere's
thedata.
Anaverageperson
needs2000calories
and46or56gramsof
proteinforwomenor
menrespectivelyper
day.
Whitebreadhas11.98
gramsofproteinper
361calories,or
kilocaloriesifyou're
beingtechnicalornon
America.Forsome
reasonintheUSand
Canadaacalorieis
whattherestofthe
worldknowsasa
kilocalorie.
(11.98/361)gramsof
proteinpercalorie*
2000caloriesperday
=65.9gramsof
proteinperday,which
ismorethanthedaily
recommendedamount
forbothmenand
women.
Aninterestingcuriosity
demonstratinghow
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easyittheoreticallyis
togetenoughprotein
evenfromfoodnot
traditionallythoughtof
asagoodsourceof
protein,butalso
certainlynota
suggestiontoeat
nothingbutwhite
bread.
ENDOFEDIT
Riceontheotherhand
isaterriblesourceof
protein,whichisa
shamebecauseIprefer
riceoverwheat.
Notthatitmattersfor
theaverageperson
whoeatsevenasmall
amountofmeat.
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[] ShrimShrim

44points5monthsago

Mostrawplantsandmeatsneedto
be"processed"(cooked?peeled?
rinsed?deboned?)
Butcherhere.Trustme,youreallyreally
don'twanttoknowwhattheword
"processing"meansinreferenceto
meat.Itismostdefinitelynotthesame
ascookingand"deboning."
Youclaimthatthisarticleisn't
supportedbyscience,andIunderstand
that.Butyoushouldbeawarethatthe
effectsoftheprocessedmeatyou're
consumingareprobablylessunderstood
byscientists,andthelongtermeffects
ofthisdiethaveyettoplayoutinour
population,asrealprocessingisquite
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newtohumankind.
I'mnoPETAadvocate(Ichopupdead
animalsonadailybasisandenjoyit),
butifIdidn'tbuysustainablyraised
andethicallykilledmeat,Iwouldn't
comenearit(nottomention,itwould
tastelikeshit).
afrozendinnerfromthehealthfood
aisleismuchbetterforyouthan
somethingyoumadefromscratch
accordingtoaPaulaDeenrecipe.
Thatdepends.What'stherecipe?Ifit's
onecallingforalbofbutterandsugar,
thenyesofcoursethatTVdinneris
healthier.Butwhywouldsomeone
followingthisarticlechosetoeatalbof
butterandsugar?
Thenutritionalsuperiorityofwhole
foodsshouldn'tevenbedebatedhere.
Additionally,therearehundredsof
studiesonhowleptin,glycemicindex
andinsulinsensitivityinfluencescalorie
partitioning.Many,butnotall,ofthese
ideasaresupportedbyalargebodyof
evidence,howevertheyareeitherpoorly
linkedorjustacceptedas"fact"atthis
pointandtheauthorfoundnoreasonto
link.
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[] semanticarguments
monthsago

6points5

Butcherhere.Trustme,you
reallyreallydon'twanttoknow
whattheword"processing"
meansinreferencetomeat.It
ismostdefinitelynotthesame
ascookingand"deboning."
Ireallywanttoknow.Canyou
elaborate?
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[] frownyface
ago

parent
5points5months

Hemightbealludingto
thingslikePinkSlimeand
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everythingelselistedonthe
"SeeAlso"forthatarticle.
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19points5monthsago

Thosearesomevalidconcerns.I
couldn'targuewithanyofthem
becauseyouarequiteinformedonthe
subjectfarmorethanIamanyway.
Here'swhatIdoknow:
IfoundthissitebackinMarchthrough
/r/fitnessafterIhadabitofascareat
thedoctor'sofficewhenhetookmy
bloodpressureanditwasabout
180/120.Nodiabetes,fortunately,and
onlyslightlyelevatedcholesterol.(yay
branflakes!)
Idecidedthen,thatIhadtodo
somethingaboutmyweight.It'sabit
clich,butIwantedmykidstohavea
Dad10yearsfromnow.
SinceMarch,withregularwalkingand
diet/foodinformationmostlyculledfrom
thissite,Ihavelostover100lbsand
I'mstilllosing.
Istoppeddrinkingsodapop,cutway
backoncarbs,dialledupthefresh
veggiesandprotein.
I'vedevelopedasurprisinglyintimate
relationshipwithcelery.
IfeelbetterthanIhaveinyears.I
won'tsay"Ioweitalltothissite"but
thiswasagreatstartingpoint.How
doesitgo?"I'mnotonadiet.Ihavea
diet."
Tobefair,I'mveryfortunatethatmy
wifeisanurseandshedidadvisemeto
justkeepitsimpleandnotdigtoofar
intothedetails.
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[] rememberthatone
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10points5

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I'mnotanexpert,butI'vereada
goodamountaboutpropereating
habitsfromwebsiteswhodocite
theirsources.Thiswebsiteseems
tohavetherightinfo.Idon'tcare
ifit'scitedornot.Theinfoseems
valid.Peopleshouldn'tgetout
theirpitchforksbecauseofalack
ofcitations.Iftheyhaveapointto
challenge,thenchallengeit.
OtherwiseIthinkthisisasuper
usefulresourceforthosewhowant
conciseinformationoneatingand
workingout.Bookmarkedforsure.
I'llprobablyprintoutthefood
listsformykitchen.
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[] Ickdizzle

56points5monthsago

Yourissueseemstoliewithsemantics,
nottheinformationpresented.
Whileyouhaveapointthatwheat
sensitivityisdebatable,yourcomments
ontheprocessedfoodssectionaren't
reallyrelevant.Doyouhaveany
scientificreferencestobackupyour
claimthatthefrozendinnerisbetteror
healthierthanthehomecookedPaula
Deenrecipe?
Asforthedietssection,itdoesn'tseem
tomethatheisrecommending
anythingratherthansimplyaddressing
somepopulardietsthatpeoplereading
suchawebsitemighthavequestions
about.Helistsmorethatoneandhas
prosandcons,ratherthansaying"JUST
EATPALEOANDYOU'LLLOSEWEIGH
HURRDURR"whichalotofpeopleon
r/paleoseemtodo.
I'mnotgoingtoarguethatyouarewell
schooledinthewaysofscientific
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literatureand/orfitness/bodybuilding.
Butthiswebsitedoespresentsome
goodinformationinaneasyto
understandway.Isitperfect?Noway.
Ittakesacertaintypeofpersontowade
throughallthebullshitontheinternet
andactuallymakesenseofeverything
inthefitness/bodybuildingcommunity.
Toseesomebodytryingtomakea
simpleandconciseresourcethat
laypeoplemayhaveabetterchanceof
understandingisastepintheright
directionIMHO.Morepeoplewould
benefitfromawebsitelikethisthana
scientificarticleonwhywheat
sensitivityisbullshit.Ofthati'm
certain.
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[] Lorf301

parent
12points5monthsago

Iagree,dudegotgildedfor
statingthatasimplifiedarticle
isn'ttheBESTarticleever!Ifyour
justgettingintofitnessyouhave
tostartsomewhereandidsaythis
isn'taterribleplacetostart.He'll
mostofthepeoplewhoreadit
eitherknowmoreaboutfitness
andnutritionthanthatalreadyor
won'tutilizeanyofthe
informationgatheredfromthe
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[] NoInkling

parent

3points5monthsago

YupIthinkyouprettymuchhit
thenailonthehead.OP'sissueis
withthewebsite'sclaimthatthe
informationis"scientific",andI
mostlysharethoseconcerns.ButI
canalsosortaoverlooktheuseof
"science"asabuzzword(in
oppositiontothestrictsenseof
theword)whenIconsiderthe
purposeofthesiteandthe
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informationit'stryingtopresent.
Therealityisthatthelayman
simplyisn'tqualifiedenoughto
makejudgementsmostofthe
timewhenpresentedwiththefull
story,itwillonlyservetoconfuse
anddemotivatethem.Idon't
thinkthisisthesortofproject
thatpedantryshouldbeaimedat.
Ithinkthebestthingtodowould
betoincludeaprominent
disclaimerthatalotofthe
informationpresentedis
disputed/notimpartial/haslimited
evidence(orevennoempirical
evidenceinsomecases),and
presentabitlessofapaleobias.
Includethemostcommonly
recommendeddietinscientific
literaturetheMediterranean
diet.Talkaboutwhyahighcarb
dietisimportantforcompeting
athletes.Makeabriefnotethat
there'sstillatleastsome
controversysurroundingsaturated
fat,highmeatconsumption,etc.,
eveniftheclassicallyheldviews
havelostsomecredenceinrecent
times.
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[] Genmaken

edited5monthsago)

141points5monthsago*(last

Loveyouranalysis.Sadlymostpeople
arehappywithsimpleanswers.
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[] finalfunkeln

83points5monthsago

Mostpeopledon'thavetimeor
don'twanttoinformthemselves
forhourstochangetheirlifestyle.
WheneverIreaduponsomething
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newinthefitnesssectionittakes
ages,pageslongdescriptions,
explanationsetcetera.Most
peoplejustwantalistofwhat
theyhavetodo,andwhatthe
resultswillbe.
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[] AnomalyUndetected
points5monthsago

115

Yeah.That'sreallyallIwant.
Ijustwanttoknowwhatto
dotoachievemygoal.I
haveafulltimejob,akid,a
businessathomeandallthe
otherdistractionsoflife.I
don'twanttohavetosift
throughmountainsofdata
andvolumesofanalysis.I
wanttogettothebusiness
ofgettingfitinthefew
sparehoursaweekIhave.I
don'tseeanything
particularlywrongwiththat.
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[] jvgkaty44
monthsago

parent
7points5

Dowhatthissitesays
andyouwillbecomea
leanmeanmachine.
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[] dbelle92
11
points5monthsago

Iseenoarguing
withthewebsite.
Ifyouwantto
becomepedantic
andreallyget
intothescience
thenthisdoesn't
doagreatjobof
explainingit.But
ifyouwantatool
togiveyouthe
mainpoints
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quicklywithout
confusionthen
thesiteis
perfect.
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[] URETHRAL_DIARRHEA
15points5monthsago

JustdoStronglifts5x5,
eatenoughfood,and
sleep.
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[] Misha_Vozduh
7points5monthsago

wtfthisisperfect
advicefor
beginners.Can
anyofthe
downvoters
pleaseelaborate
howthisisNOT
addingto
discussion?
SL(orits
ancestor,
StartingStrength
byMark
Rippetoe)is
fuckingperfect
foratotal
newbie.
Directionsare
veryclearandif
yousticktothe
program,
eat&sleepenough
(becauserecovery
andnutritionare
partofEVERY
program)youwill
progressto
intermediate
levelsof
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strength.And
afterthat,when
youeventually
stalloutondaily
progression,you
wouldaccumulate
enough
experienceto
picktheright
programfor
weeklyoreven
monthly
progress.
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[] Thankyouneildgtyson
3points5months
ago

Yeah.Getthe
basicsright(diet
restand
training),and
progressispretty
much
guaranteed.It's
gettingeachone
rightwhichcan
behard,
particularlydiet
I'vefound..
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[] Devinm84
ago

3points5months

Wewantittobelikeavideo
game!
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fitocracy.com
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[] Devinm84
8
points5monthsago

I'mnotsureI
canriskopening
alinkfroma
Centaur.
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[] [deleted]9
points5months
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DIETWO
LEGS
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[] a_midgets_last_stand
5points5monthsago

[+2]

Exactly.Tellingsomeone
theyneedpostgrad
credentialstohaveasitelike
thisisbullshitand
condescending.Whoever
gildedthisguyisjust
facilitatingthatbullshit
attitude.Iftheguywhoruns
thiswebsiteishelping
people,whogivesashit?
Yes,he'smakingaprofit,
buthe'sprovidinga
legitimateservicetopeople
thatsavesustime.
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[] LatinArma
monthsago

parent
6points5

Tocallitscienceand
not"broscience"or
somethingthatmakes
itclearitisnotscience
isquitedamaging.
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Thereis
incorrect/misinformation
onthewebsite.Noneof
itseemstobethetype
thatwillkillanyonebut
nonetheless.
Ifyouwanttoclaim
theauthorityour
societygivesscience
youhavetoputinthe
work.
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[] the_real_bush
monthsago

4points5

Eatless,exercisemore.
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[] tartay745
monthsago

16points5

That'sonlygoodadvice
forpeoplelookingto
loseweight.Ifyouare
tryingtogetstrong
whileunderweight,
eatinglessand
exercisingmorecould
becatastrophic.Some
peopleactuallyneedto
eatmoreaswell.
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[] the_real_bush
12points5months
ago

Okforthem,eat
more,exercise
more
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[] dboyer87
3points5
monthsago

WhatifI'm
muscular
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andwantto
getfatbut
keep
muscle
underneath?
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[] I_AM_Achilles
3
points5
months
ago

Eat
even
more,
exercise
more.
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[] oditogre
2
points5
months
ago

I'm
preeeeeeetty
sure
you're
joking,
buton
theoff
chance
you're
not
(there
are
people
who
want
stranger
things),
why
would
you
want
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6
points
5
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ago

Sumo
wrestling
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[] absolutely_livid
ago

26points5months

Thepagedoestwoverygood
things.First,itgivessimpleadvice
thatdispelsmanymythsand
second,givesyoutheknowledge
thatthewholematterabout
fitnessrequiresstudyingand
veryifyingthatwhatyoureadis
correct.Liketherecentcosmos
series.Thereweremanythings
wronginit,butthat'sok,because
themainideaisthatyouhaveto
researchthatshit,notjustbelieve
whatknowledgecomesyourway.
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[] Pooping_pedo_panda
points5monthsago

10

This.Ididn'treadthatpage
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touseitasafitnessbible.
Instead,Iskimmedoverit
togetthemainpointsthatI
canthendosomefurther
researchonlater.
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[] hermit05
monthsago

10points5

Justtellmeonething!
Isthatpageanygood
forabeginner?
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[] Pooping_pedo_panda
10points5months
ago

It'sagoodplace
tostart.It'sgot
everythingon
onepage,but
takeitallwitha
grainofsalt.
Somethingsmay
applytoyou,and
otherthings
mightbe
rubbish.
Webpageslike
thataregoodfor
pullingbitsof
informationto
getabetter
pictureof
something.
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[] hermit05
3points5
monthsago

Thanks
mate!That
iswhatI
washoping
foran
answer.It
ishardto
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allthat
litanyinthe
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[] niggytardust2000

6points5monthsago

ChangethetitletoSimple
BroscienceFitnessandthenwe'll
talk.
Whywouldchangingthetitlemake
evenaminutedifferencehere?
Withallduerespect,thisjust
summarizeshowshallowthiscriticism
is.
Idoubtthatmostpeopleviewingthis
sitethinkthattheyaregettingthe
latestpeerreviewed"science".
Yes,thetitleis"SimpleScienceFitness
",butIhighlydoubtthattheintention
oftheauthoristotrickpeopleinto
thinkingthatheisaPhdsharing
laboratoryresearch.
I'msuretheauthorofthesite,would
bejustashappycallinghissite"
SimpleFitness".
Asidefromthisyourbasiccriticismis
thatthissiteshouldbefullof
"credentialedmedicalexpertsand
citationsofthelatestscientificfindings"
right?
Theonlypurposeofthesiteisto
providebasicandsimpleadvicethat
coversmostaspectsoffitness.
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Creatingasitethatcoveredmost
aspectsoffitnesswithbasic
recommendationsANDwascompletely
citedand"scientificallysound"would
literallybeimpossible.Why?
1. Eventhemostbasicquestionsof
fitnesshaveverymixedresults
whenitcomestopeerreviewed
study.Attemptedtoprovidea
summaryofeventhemostbasic
aspectsoffitnesswouldrequirea
lifetimeofresearchifonefeltthe
needtociteandanalyzeallofthe
associatedsciencethatwentalong
witheverysimplestatement.This
ispreciselywhyPhdsconcentrate
onanextremelysmallareaof
research.
2. Peerreviewedsciencecan'teven
answerthequestion,"IsMilk
goodforyou?"Doesthatmean
thateverywebsitethatprovides
adviceonconsumingdairyshould
bescornedandabolished.
Accordingtoyourlogic,the
answerisyes.PLEASESPENDA
MONTHWITHUNIVERSITY
ACCESSTOPUBMEDWHEN
GATHERINGBASICINFORMATION
ABOUTMILKCONSUMPTION.
3. Youkeepparrotingtheneedfor"
citations",buttherealpurpose
ofcitationsaresothatsource
researchcanbereviewedand
furtheranalyzedontheirown.
Onelittleproblemhere,thisis
supposedtobebasicadvicefornon
scientists,akathegeneralpopulation.
Areyoureallyinsinuatingthat"layman"
daretrytousethesemagiccitations
andunderstand"scientific"researchfor
themselves!?!Blasphemy!
Accordingtoyourthinking,anyone
withoutaPhdintherelevanttopic
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shouldbasicallyturntheirbrainsoffand
listentothe"experts"inthesame
fashionthattheilliteratecongregations
usedtolistentopreachers(whichis
exactlytheoriginoftheignorantterm
"layman")
Laymanhavenobusinessanalyzingany
sortofcitations,thereforecitedarticles
arereallyofnousetothemasidefrom
theunquestionable"assurance"thatthe
"experts"havebeenhardatwork
distillingthe"facts"forthem.
Underyourlogic,forthe"nonexpert",
citationsserveasnothingmorethana
bullshitinfalliblestampofapproval.
Overandoveryoudemandthatadvice
forthegeneralpublicbefilledwiththis
bullshitapprovalthatthegeneralpublic
themselvesaren'ttechnicallyfitto
question.
Youmayaswellbedemandingthatany
interpretationsofthebiblecontaina
sealoftheapprovalfromthepope.
Youaredemandingyourbeloved
"science"beriddledwithmedieval
religiousconstraints.Howdarelay
peopleoranyoneasidefromexperts
thinkforthemselves?
ESPECIALLYwhenitcomestodietand
exercise!Thisiscertainlynotatopic
whereANYsortofknowledgeatall
couldbegeneratedbytheaverage
personontheirown!No,wemusthave
phdsandlaboratoriesonly!
Justthinkaboutapplyingyourlogicto
thetopicof"howtorideabike".
Accordingtoyou,adviceonhowtoride
abikeshouldonlybeprovidedby
medicalprofessionalsthathavespent
theirlivescompilingmetaanalysesofall
the"latest"researchconcernedwith
ridingabike.
Butdietandexerciseismuchmore
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complicatedandpeoplehealth'scould
beimpactedbybadadvice!Theexact
samecouldbesaidfor"ridingabike"
Theexactsamecouldbesaidforjust
aboutanybasichumanaction.
Thiscriticismiscompletelylame.
Lastly,thetermpseudoscienceisa
meaninglessadhominemattack.Ifyou
haveissueswiththescientificrigorof
something,thenbringupthespecific
problemsyouhave.
TLDRThiscriticismisnearlyreligious
innatureandisn'tproductive
whatsoever.Infactit'shighlycounter
productive.
Youareahater.
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14points5monthsago

WhileIagreewithwhatyouarestating,
Ithinkyoumaybeoverlookingthe
simplefact,that,programslikethese
andlikeallworkout,fitnessorlifestyle
programs,it'slargelyaboutmotivation
andoutlook.There'snothingonthesite
thatisparticularlyegregiousor
unhealthy.Ithasaprettysimplistic
layoutandalackofoverbearingpop
upsthatmakeiteasytofollow.Anyone
whoisoverweightorislookingtotweak
theirroutinecanusecommonsenseand
followtheseprogramstothetee,orpick
andchosewhattheywantfrompast
experience.Takeiteasy,there's
advertisingineverything.Butexcellent
postpointingoutthebullshitthat
pervadesthehealthandfitness
industry.
Spelling.
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THANKYOUsomuchforlayingoutthe
scientificevidenceagainstthepaleodiet
bylinkingtoUSAToday.Whilealinkto
JAMAwouldhavebeenalmostasgood,
certainlythekeyargumentsagainstthis
millionyearoldfadarebrokenout:
Howmuchdoesitcost?Itmaybe
priceytheproducesectionand
meatcounterareamongthepriciest
cornersofthegrocerystore.
Thisahundredtimes!Oneofthe
unhealthiestthingsaboutthepaleodiet
istheincrediblecostoffreshfruit,fresh
vegetables,etc.Weknowthey're
unhealthybecausethey'renotsubject
tofederalsubsidieslikecornsyrup,
grainandotherhealthfoods.Expense
shouldbeakeyconsiderationineating
healthyandUSATodaylikeanytop
scientificjournalhelpedpointthisout.
Howeasyisittofollow?Canyouget
usedtotheideaofbreadless
sandwiches?Orhavingyourmilkand
cookieswithouteithermilkor
cookies?Dietsthatrestrictentire
foodgroupsaredifficulttofollow.
Justtoputpaleotorest,USAToday
againpointsoutthevitalcontributionin
anydietofmilk&cookies.Ifwe're
goingtoputtherightdietatthetopwe
havetoconsiderthescientificproof
behindtheeconomicsoffoodand
rememberthatcorporationsarepeople
too.Whataboutthemanufacturersof
Oreo?Howcouldrestrictingcookiesbe
healthyforthem?
InshortIthinkthisisthefinalnailin
thePaleocoffin.Hopesomemore
peoplebuyyougoldandthanksforall
thescience!
EDIT:Thankyoukindstrangerforthe
gold!Iwilldonateallproceedsto
GeneralMills!!
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[] rememberthatone
monthsago

7points5

Haha.It'sfunnyhowhorriblehis
commentseemstothoseofus
whoactuallyunderstandpaleoand
havereadstudieslikethisone
fromtheUSATodayandknow
howmuchBSitreallyis,andyet
it'sthehighestvotedcomment
andgilded3xover.Peopledon't
doanyresearchandthencriticize.
Idon'tknowonepersonwho
understandspaleoandthinksit's
badinanyway.Naturalfoodsare
bad?Givemeabreak.
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5points5monthsago

WhileIagreewithyouranalysis,the
sourcesyoucitedaren'tnecessarily
completelyscientificthemselves.
Forexample,theUSNewsstudyclaims
tohavebeenconductedbyapanelof
"experts"however,nodetailisgivenon
whothesesocalledexpertsare,norof
theirexactmethodologyonhowthey
ratedeachofthesediets.Ontopofthis,
thearticlecomeswithalarge
disclaimer.
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[] compuzr

parent

18points5monthsago

Isupportyourgeneralcriticismforthe
simplereasonthat,asyousay,
bodybuildingisnotfitness.
ButItakeissuewithsomeofyour
contentions.Forinstance,this:
"Youwillseegreatresultsbyeating
morewholefoodsinsteadofpre
packagedorprocessedfoods."
"That'sjargonfromorganicfood
retailers,notmedicallysoundadvice.
Mostrawplantsandmeatsneedto
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be"processed"(cooked?peeled?
rinsed?deboned?)beforethey're
evensafetoeat,andwhetherthat's
donebeforeoraftersaleismuchless
importantthanthewayinwhichitis
done:afrozendinnerfromthe
healthfoodaisleismuchbetterfor
youthansomethingyoumadefrom
scratchaccordingtoaPaulaDeen
recipe."
First,unlessyou'rebeingdeliberately
dense,Ithinkthere'sacommon
understandingof"processedfood".Let's
notbesillyandplaydumbaboutthis.
Second,you'rebigonstudies,andI
wouldlovetoapplyyourownstandard
toyourselfandpostawelldone,robust,
peerreviewedstudythatafrozen
dinnerwashealthierthanevenaPaula
Deenrecipe.Idoubtthat'strue.I'll
takewholemilkandbutterandlard
overprocessedsugarsandfatsanyday
oftheweek.
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[] WW_D

parent
[+1]5points5monthsago

Thankyou,I'msodonewith
peoplewhotakethemostliteral
definitionofthingsjusttoshiton
thoseofuswhowanttoeat
healthy.Whydoesithurtthatguy
ifIonlywanttoeatfresh
vegetablesandcutsofmeatthat
stilllooklikepartofananimal?
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[] arbitraryaccount2
monthsago

2points5

Whydoesithurtthatguy
ifIonlywanttoeatfresh
vegetablesandcutsof
meatthatstilllooklike
partofananimal?
Inwhatwayatalldoesit
hurtthatguy?
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Doesheclaimtobeoffended
bypeoplewhochoosetodo
thingswithoutscientific
evidencebackingtheir
choices?
No,heclaimsitis
irresponsibletocall
unscientificthingsscientific.
That'sprettymuchit.And
that'sclearlytrue.
Youcouldsaythatpeople
don'treallymeanscientific
whentheysayit,lightenup,
etc...butthenthat'syour
problemyoushouldlearn
howtocommunicatewhat
youmeaninsteadofsaying
somethingdifferent.
Especiallywhenanentire
industryismarketedfalsely
aroundthemisuseofwords
likethat.
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[] compuzr
monthsago

parent
2points5

Mybroadercriticismis
thatEpistaxis'spost,
asgoodasitwas!,has
madethesame
mistakeasthewebsite
creatorhe'scriticizing.
Thatis,he'ssupposing
thereisascientific
answerstoallnutrition
questions.
Andthere'snot.
Notyet,anyway.Now,
don'tgetmywrongI
respectalotofwhat
nutritionsciencehas
done.ButIalsohold
thebeliefthatwe'dbe
alotbetterof
acknowledgingthe
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limitsofwhatour
medicalstudieshave
beenabletotellusso
far,andtousealittle
morecommonsense
andhistorical
knowledge.
Faddiets(glutenfree,
paleo,whathaveyou)
preyuponpeople's
assumptionthatthere
areSCIENTISTSand
DOCTORSoutthere
whohaveANSWERS.
Andbecausescientists
anddoctorsdohave
SOMEanswers,evena
LOTofanswers,they
canlookliketheyhave
ALLtheanswers.
Buttheveryexistence
ofalloftheraging
debatesaboutdietand
nutritionshowsthisto
notbeso.
Inthemeantime,Ido
thinkwecanleanon
scientificevidence,and
historicalevidence,
thatwholefoodsare
betterforusthan
processedfoods.And
observationalevidence.
Forsomereasonwe
underratethepowerof
observation,andwe're
foolishtodoso.I
alwaysenjoyed
DouglasAdam'sjibe
aboutthe"World
CenterofScienceFor
SlowlyandPainfully
ProvingtheBlindingly
Obvious".
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Sowhenpersonstake
theposition,"Howcan
youknowXishealthy?
Showmethescience!"
Mypositionisthat
scienceisgood,andwe
shoulduseitwhenwe
can,andwhenthe
scienceisgood(and,
toomanytimeswhen
itcomestonutrition,it
hasn'tbeen).Butdon't
shortchange
historical/observational
evidence,andabitof
commonsense.
Thosecanbepowerful
tools.Maybemore
powerfulBECAUSE
theyLACKauthority.I
canpresentmy
argument,andyouwill
feelfreetochallengeit
andthinkforyourself.
ButifIsay,"ohit'sa
scientificfact!",then
youcan'tchallengeit,
notwithoutalotof
work.Andmaybemy
"study"wasbunk.
Maybeithad10test
subjectfromonesmall
town,andI'vemadea
globalnutritionalclaim
fromthatbiasedset.
You'llneverknowthat,
you'lljustknowthat
thefactsIderived
fromthatstudyhave
beengiventhe
imprimaturof
SCIENCE!.Yes,bad
science.Badscience
otherscientistswill
refute.Butitcanbe
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hardtoeradicateonce
it'sbeengiventhat
initialauthority.(cf.
thelowfatcraze.It's
badsciencebasedon
badstudies.Butwillit
evergoaway?Andhow
longhasittakentoget
ridofMargarineand
Crisco?)
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2points5months
ago

Thatis,he's
supposing
thereisa
[known]
scientific
answerstoall
nutrition
questions.
Thiswasnever
supposed.
Iagreewiththe
restofyourreply,
butitdoesn't
addressanything
intheOP.
Thepointsmade
bytheOPare:
Thewebsite
isnot
scientific,
butclaims
tobe.
It's
generally
wrongto
falselyclaim
tobe
scientific.
Agenuine
scientific
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approachto
nutritionis
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[] YWxpY2lh

14points5monthsago*(last

edited5monthsago)

Irecognizeyourname.You'vebeen
postingmisinformedpseudointellectual
bullshitforyears.Pleasestop.
Edit:I'dliketopointoutthatyour
"SCIENCE!"postcontainsthree
'citations'thatarealltopopnews
sourcesBusinessInsider,USNews,and
ScientificAmerican.
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[] t_j

3points5monthsago

Iagreeheshouldsitesourceswhen
construingsomethingas"science"but
hedoesatleasthaveadisclaimer.
"...theinformationpresentedonthis
siteisofmyownprofessionaland
personalopinion..."
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4points5monthsago

Ihatetheterms"diet"vs.everyday.
Itriedaveganlifestylefor3months.
TheproblemwasIwastiredallthe
time,evenwithallthesupplements.I
run56daysaweekfor1/2andfull
marathonandXtraintheotherday.I
couldnotgetenoughenergy.
IswitchedtoaPaleostylefor2reasons.
One,mywifeisceliac,asismyson,and
sheisalsoallergictosoyandcorndue
toherthyroidcondition.Iaminahouse
holdthathastoadheretostrict
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standards,sopaleowasalifestyle
change.Itwasnotduetoa"diet"butto
prevent"dying"frommywifeandson's
gut.IgetsickwhenIseepeopleuse
"glutenfree"asa'diet',ortohaveit
everyonceinawhile.Sorry,butthey
arenotdoingthemselves,orotherswho
actuallyhaveallergiesanyfavors.
Itakeissuetothese'reports'and
'studies'.Tome,anymyhouse,aPaleo
styleworks.Doesitworkfor
EVERYONE?No.Iamnotgoingto
preachhowitneedstobedoneby
everyone,butIwilltellyou,Iamnow
at9%bodyfat,44%muscletoneand
improvedmyrunningcompletionby
over15%overpriortothischange.
Justlikeourowngut,someofyoucan
handlewheatbetter,oreatpeanutsor
haveonionsotherscannot.Listento
YOUROWNbody.Ifeatingsomething
andyouaretired,cranky,orachythe
nextday,mostlikelyitisyourownself
tellingyouitdoesn'tlikeitandtodo
somethingelse!
(Ducksfordownvotes)
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4points5monthsago

I'mnotsurehowyouquotinganarticle
of32"expertsopinions"onthepaleo
dietisanybetterthanwhatheisdoing,
orsomehowusingdifferentvariationsof
afewwordssomehowinvalidateswhat
he'ssaying.Thesepointsmakeyoulook
likeyou'reoutforawitchhunt.Idon't
disagreewithyouthatwhathe's
claimingisnotscience.Apoorlyworded
title.Butthatdoesn'tmeansomeofthe
thingshe'ssayingisnottrue.He'san
expertinhisfieldandtheinformation
heprovidesisthatofanexpert,nota
scientist.Idon'tneedapeerreviewed
scientificstudytotellmethatthefried
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chickenTVdinnerinmyfridgeisn't
goingtobeashealthyaskale.
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4points5monthsago

Itsgrossyougotsomanyupvotesand
goldforsuchastupidresponse.Doyou
evenknowanythingaboutthefood
processingindustry?Youpokeatthe
articlesayingtheydon'thavereal
sciencebehindit..Butuh...Yours
doesn'teither?
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[] HHWKUL

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2points5monthsago

Myguessheisawizard.DAT
massscaleconfusionspellyo.The
guyputeverypointhehadon
Charismaandrolledadoublecrit.
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[] mr_walnut

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19points5monthsago

Iagreethatwrappingthissiteinthe
bannerofscienceisnotgreatwithout
citation,but:
Apanelofexpertsratedthe"Paleo
Diet"deadlastinacomparisonof32
populardietregimens:"Expertstook
issuewiththedietonevery
measure.Regardlessofthegoal
weightloss,hearthealth,orfinding
adietthatseasytofollowmost
expertsconcludedthatitwouldbe
betterfordieterstolookelsewhere."
Iwouldn'tusethisasacitationeither.
Itlookslikethereisnosciencebehind
this,Icouldn'tfindthelistof"experts"
theypickedandtheymakeclaimsabout
howeasysomethingistofolloworhow
"hearthealthy"dietsarebasedona
numberfrom1to5guessedfromthese
unnamedexperts.
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[] 161803398874989
monthsago

[+1]9points5

http://health.usnews.com/best
diet/experts
They'renotsuperupfrontwiththe
link.Firstyouhavetoclickondata
andthenondietsmethodology
andfinallyclickonnationally
recognizedexpertsinthefifth
paragraph.Youcanlookthrough
them,theyseemlegitasfarasI
cantell.
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[] LeFlamel
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]12points5

Ilookedattheratingsthey
gavethepaleodietand
basicallytheyjustbitched
about"restrictingwholefood
groups."Likereally?It
mightnotbethebestbutI
don'tunderstandwhat'sso
essentialaboutgrainsthat
leavingitoutmakesitthe
WORSTdietranked.It
soundslikeabiasagainstit
andpeopleshouldn'tbe
basingtheiropinionson
appealstoauthority
anyways.
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[] rememberthatone
points5monthsago

Ican'trememberthe
detailsanddon'tcare
enoughtolookitup
myself,butthisstudy
hasbeenbroughtupin
thepaleocircles.Idid
paleoforawhileand
planongettingback
onitsoon.It'snot
somecrazediet.It's
naturalfoodeating.
Thenamemakes
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peoplethinkit'scrazy
forsomereason.This
studyisknowntobe
completelybias.Maybe
ithadsomethingtodo
withnotfollowingthe
foodpyramid.Whichis
atotaljoke.Grainsand
sugarsareahuge
market.Studieswill
undoubtedlycomeout
totryandsaycutting
themoutisbad.When
youdigforareal
reasonwhyweneed
grains,youwillbeleft
withoutone.Besides
thembeingdelicious.
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[] tasmanian101
5monthsago

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[1]8points

ItsoddtheyratedPaleoso
low.Itsnotaperfectdiet
butitsessentiallywhat
doctorsprescribedpre
insulindaystofight
diabetesyettheyratedit
thesecondworst2.1.Slim
fast,akachocolatemilkwith
vitamins,getsrateda3.2?
Theyarerecommendinga
diabeticshoulddrinkthese
200caloriebottleswith
around20gramsofsugarin
themsameasasnickers
bar.
Eitherthese"experts"were
justbasingtheseratingsoff
howtheyfeelthesediets
work,ortheressomeserious
biasesaround.Itseemsto
metheseexpertsstillbelieve
saturatedfatisbadforyou.
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Paleoisn'taperfectdiet,its
noteasy.Butitsactually
goodforpeoplewith
diabetesandhearthealth.
Itshardtoreadbuttheresa
pictureofthedietthat
doctorsprescribedto
diabeticsbeforeinsulin.
Almostverbatimpaleodiet.
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8points5monthsago*(last

TheydidsaythePaleodietwaslikely
beneficialbuttheproblemtheyhad
withitwasitwouldbehardtodo...in
factIthinktheirwholelittlereviewonit
wasbiased.Whywouldyoulinktoa
governmentsiteanyway?Don'tyou
knowtheyareinleaguewiththemajor
foodcompanies?Ofcoursethey'renot
goingto"like"Paleo,itsuggeststo
eliminatedairyandgrainsandthat
accountsforahugepartofthefood
industry.
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[] broscientologist
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[+2]11points5months

tobefair,itislargelyaccurate.
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[] l1ghtning

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20points5monthsago

HowIimaginedyouwhileIwasreading
throughthat.
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[] likeapuffofsmoke
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24points5

HowIactuallylooked
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[] The_Egg_came_first
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10

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Waitaminute..You'renot
OP!
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3points5monthsago

ImayjustbenotseeingitsoI
apologizeifthat'sthecase,butthe
articleyoulinktothatratesdiet's
doesn'thaveanysourceseither.AllI
sawwasaparagraphthatsaid,"based
onapanelofexperts."NowheredidI
seetheircredentialsorthedata
reviewed.
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[] [deleted]8points5monthsago

Myobservationisthatthebestof
brosciencetendstowardthetruth.
Whenabelovedpieceofbrosciencegets
soundlydefeatedinthescienceitis
usuallyabandonedbythemore
enlightenedbrofessors.Youknow,
thingslikeacertaintypeofDBcurlwill
puta"peak"onyourbicep.Thatwas
firmlyacceptedbroscienceatonetime.
Thenagaintherearestillbroswhowill
tellyouthebestcurlstomakeyourlong
bicepsintoshort"peaky"onesso...I
guessthat'swhyit'sbroscienceand
notactualscience.TheOPcouldbesaid
tobeatruebrofessor.TheOPsortof
doesthatwiththedisclaimer"Iamnot
aphysicianorbiochemistryprofessional"
(AKAbrofessor).
Thereisaproblemembeddedinthe
situation.Inordertobequalifiedto
commenton"fitness"asatruescientist
wouldrequirethatanindividualbea
molecularbiologist,anexpertin
kinesology,aphysicist,amedical
doctor,andprobablyotherqualsI'm
forgetting.Thatpersondoesn'treally
existwhichiswhybroscienceeven
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existsinthefirstplace.
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[] Watcheditburn
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2points5months

Youforgotusexercise
physiologists:(
Butmoreseriously,everyone
thinkstheyareanexpertnowina
DrGoogleworld.Ididn'tgeta
graduatedegreeforjustreading
journalarticles,Igotitforwriting
researchpapers,beingtestedon
thematerialbysubjectexperts.
Myknowledgewasverifiedby
expertsinthefield,andifIwas
mistaken,Iwastakentotaskand
requiredtodomoreresearchto
deepenmyunderstanding.
Somejokercanspendyears
readingwhateversourcesand
believetheyknowthefield,but
theyhaveneverbeenputtothe
testbysubjectexpertstoverify
theirunderstanding,toensureits
correctness.Thatdoesn'tmean
theiraren'tsomeknowledgable
folksouttheresansdegree,but
whoisverifyingtheirveracity?
Ihavehadsomeinteresting
argumenthereandinotherplaces
withthesesupposedexpertswho
lobasinglejournalarticlethey
halfunderstoodatmeandclaimed
thattheyknewwhattheywere
talkingabout.Itcanbean
exerciseinfrustration.
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2points5monthsago

Exactly!What'ssoheartbreaking
aboutthisisthatMr.Lapiakis
awareoftheproblem,andhe
earnestlywantstochangeit,but
thenhegoesoutanddoesmore
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orlessthesamethingaseveryone
else(ifmaybealittlebetter).He
andIhavethesamegoal.
It'swonderfulthatsome
enthusiastscareaboutevidence
baseddecisionmaking.Nowif
onlytheyhadabetter
understandingofhowtofindthe
evidence.
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[] someguyfromtheuk
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[+1]2points5

Inordertobequalifiedto
commenton"fitness"asatrue
scientistwouldrequirethatan
individualbeamolecular
biologist,anexpertin
kinesology,aphysicist,a
medicaldoctor,andprobably
otherqualsI'mforgetting.
Thatpersondoesn'treallyexist
whichiswhybroscienceeven
existsinthefirstplace.
Thenhowdopeopleworkas
personaltrainersiftheir
knowledgeissowoefully
inadequate?
Igetwhatyou'resayingaboutthe
fullextentoftheknowledgebeing
toomuchforonepersontolearn,
butyoudon'tneedtoknow
everythingtoprovideperfectly
usefuladvice,itsoundslikeyou're
complainingthathissiteisn't
100%perfect,andistherefore
completelyuseless.
It'snotan"allornothing"thing.
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[] eplusk

13points5monthsago

Firstoff,greatpost.Thelinkdefinitely
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isamixofbroscienceandrealnutrition.
Butlet'sbehonest.Youthinkweshould
onlylistentolicensedmedicalexperts?
Arethesethesameonesthathelped
theFDAcreatethefoodpyramid
decadesago?Weallknowhowthat
turnedout.
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[] a_midgets_last_stand
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[+2]4points5

Idon'tgetthis.Peopletrytohelpother
people,makeawebsitetodoso,and
youalwayshaveaguylikethisthat
saystheyaren'tcredibleandit'sbullshit
andyoushouldn'tlistentoit.
Itappearswhathappensissomeone
seessomeoneelsemakingaprofit
helpingpeopleachievetheirfitness
goalsandwanttosaythey'refullofshit
bybeingpedanticanddismisstheir
efforts."Changethetitletosimple
broscience","there'snosubstitutefor
postgradwork",getaclue.Neitherof
thosearerequiredtopassonlegitimate
informationtohelpotherpeople,and
eveniftheydidpostgradwork,you'd
stillfindsomeflawintheireffortsand
say"nono,getthispostgrad
credential".
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[] [deleted]2points5monthsago

theyaren'tcredibleandit's
bullshitandyoushouldn't
listentoit.
Fitnessindustryinanutshelltobe
honest.
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[] [deleted]2points5monthsago

Imean,tobefairyoujustdescribed
whatthefitnessindustryprettymuch
ISatthispoint:aconglomerationof
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anecdoteswithaninterestingmixof
dubioussuggestions.Thisiswhat
happenswhenthebullshittersmake
exponentiallymoremoneythanthose
whoarelegitimatelypassionateabout
theirtrade.
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[] bisteccafiorentina
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[+3]2points5months

http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2hivk3/the_science_is_in_gluten_sensitive_peop
Alittlemoreelucidationonthetopicof
theoftcited"glutenintoleranceain't
real"study.
I'mnotsureit'sreallyacceptabletolist
the"expertpanelsurvey"featuredina
commercialmediasourcelikeUSNews
asavalidcriticismofa"Paleodiet"if
suchathingevenexists.
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[] ramblemn

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2points5monthsago

Youwantscience,likethe70'slowfatis
healthierforusscience?
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[] DieMafia

monthsago)

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8points5monthsago*(lastedited5

WhileIshareyourcriticismforthe
articleingeneral,Idon'treallylikethe
bashingofspecificdietsthewayyoudid
it.
Notsayingthepaleodietitselfis
necessarilybetterthanotherdiets,but
mostAmericanswouldindeedhavea
morehealthydietiftheyweretoeat
morevegetables,legumes,starches,
meatandfishinsteadofwhatthey
currentlyeatonaverage.Processedred
meatforexampleisshowninquite
someresearchtobealotworseforyour
healthcomparedtounprocessedred
meatandI'msureyouknowthat.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24926039
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.Lotsofprocessedjunkfoodlikesome
pastapowderwithlittlemushroom
piecesinapackagecontainsonlytiny
amountsofactualvegetables,Idon't
thinktheauthorhasaproblemwith
frozenfoodsingeneral.
Itsabitdubiousthatinyourquoteof
the"panelofexperts"youleftoutthe
sentencethatcamedirectlyafterthe
sentenceyouposted:"AtruePaleodiet
mightbeagreatoption:verylean,pure
meats,lotsofwildplants,saidone
expertquicklyadding,however,that
duplicatingsucharegimeninmodern
timeswouldbedifficult."
Imyselfthinkadietwithaslittle
restrictionaspossiblethatstilltriesto
emphasizeincorporatingvegetablesand
healthyfoodsinsteadofpowderedpasta
packageswouldbethebest.Thiscan
alsoincludegrainsofcourse.Whilethis
criticismofthearticleisfine,jabbingat
acertaindietisn'tontopic.Disclaimer:
I'mnotpracticingthepaleodiet.
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[] lostinthestar

4points5monthsago

it'sbeenspammedtoredditadozen
timesoverthepastcoupleandthisis
thefirsttimeitgainedanytraction.
asthewebdesignkindofsuggests,it's
purposeisreallyjustawalloftext
promotingtheebook,amazonaffiliate
linksandtheadsenserevenue,aswellis
thispersonaltrainer'ssocialmedia
presence.
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[] tonyj101

3points5monthsago

Thefactyouaregoingaonfullrant
criticizinglackofspecificresearchto
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supportthewriter'sopinionwhile
relyingonotherwriter'sopiniontohelp
youcreateanessayandnotciting
primaryresearchcomesoffas
disingenuousatbest.Obviously,ifyou
areascientistinthefieldofNutrition,
Biochemistry,Genetics,
Physiology...etc.,andciteprimary
research,your"expertopinion"carries
moreweight.Butyouarenotdoing
that,youareconsolidatingopinion
(fromInsiderBusiness),andgodknows,
youropinioncouldbasedonwhat
crappybreakfastyouhadthismorning.
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[] altxatu

2points5monthsago

I'msurethereareothers,butoneof
thebestsitesI'vefoundforweight
lifting,bodybuilding,and"general"
fitnessisTNation.
ThereasonIlikethatsiteinparticular,
isbecausetheauthorscitereferences,
andpublishtheircredentials.Agreeor
disagreewithwhateveropinionthe
authorhas.Youcanactuallyhaveareal
discussionaboutit(asopposedtomost
placeswhereit'sjustabunchof
namelesspeopletalking).
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3points5monthsago

Theyalsoheavilypush
supplements/othermarketable
products.
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[] PENIS_BLISTER_PUSS
ago

2points5months

Postthephysicalgainsyou'vemade
usingadifferentsourceofinformation
andthenI'llconsideryourlittlerant.As
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itisnow,yousoundlikethetypical
neckbeardtryingtoteardownwhat
theythemselvessodesperatelydesire
tobe...
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[] nvanprooyen

24points5monthsago

IgetallmyinformationfromDom,butthanks
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[] letharin

77points5monthsago

It'snotalwayssoscientifictobehonest,severalofthefactsaredisputedinthe
scientificcommunity.
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[] NoInkling

14points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Agree,it'squiteonesidedinafewareaswherescientificevidenceislimited
and/orconflicting,andhasanobviousbiastowardsthepaleosideofthingsin
termsofnutrition.Thatcaveataside,itpresentsalotofgoodinformationina
relativelyeasytoreadandunderstandmanner,andforthatIcommendthe
author.Adecentoverallsummaryingeneralforthelayman.
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[] letharin

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6points5monthsago

Iagreetowhatyousayijustwishedtheywouldpresentamoreunbiased
andcompleteviewondiet.Ididn'treadthetrainingpartandalthoughi
havestudiedinthatfieldmyspecialityisonthedietside.
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[] JohnTesh

6points5monthsago

Whichones?I'veusedthesiteasareferencebefore,andwouldlovetoknow
whichpiecesofinfoarepossiblyincorrect.
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[] pairyhenis

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52points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Asaresearchercurrentlyworkingonbiomolecularmechanismsofobesity,
thesectiononinterindividualvarianceofmetabolismandthesectionson
leptinandghrelinaretwothatjumpoutatmeasbeingdemonstrably
wrong,althoughtheoverarchingconceptsareaccurate(99.99%ofthe
readersdon'tparticularlyneedtoknowtheexactrolethatleptinplaysin
modulatingappetite,forexample).
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Thesiteisagoodoverview,butthisiswhathappenswhenanamateur
researcherattemptstopiecetogethercomplexideasfromprimaryscientific
sources.
edit:Ishouldalsoaddthatthisisallprettygood,anditdoesn'tpretendto
bearigorousreviewoftheliterature,butthatdoesn'tmeancriticismsofthe
scientificexplanationsgivenaren'tinvalid.
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[] brxn

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14points5monthsago

Ifyourewrotethatsectionandsubmittedit,Ibettheywouldchange
it.
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[] friendshabitsfamily

7points5monthsago

Ibettheywouldn't,becausethentheinfomightcontradictthe
author'sebook.
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[] lapiak

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2points5monthsago

Authorhere.Iwouldupdatewithanewrevision.
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[] lapiak

2points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Sitecreatorhere.Thankyouforyourfeedback,andIwouldloveto
hearabouthowIcanimprovethosesections.
Edit:Justsawyourresponseto/r/Luddhafurtherdown.Great
comments,andwillreviseaccordingly.
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[] USOutpost31

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1point5monthsago

Thisseemslikeamuchbettercriticismthanthetopcomment.Doi
knowthemechanicsoffatmetabolism?No,ihaventstudieditfor3
years,whichiswhatittakes.
Makingdefinitivedetailedassertionsisrisky.Btthebroadoverview
hereisexcellent.
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[] IHaveABigPenis

23points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

AsavegetarianIwouldsaythepartaboutpoorhealthbeingcorrelatedwith
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vegetarianism.Hecitesoneoftheonlystudiesthatstatesthisandeventhe
studyhecitesmentionsthatvegetariansoftenbecomevegetariansdueto
healthproblemsandthismayhaveskewedthedata.Thestudyhelisted
alsosaidhisresultsgoagainstthegeneralconsensusofvegdietsbeing
healthyandhelistsabunchofstudiesthathaveshownitishealthierand
improveschancesforsomediseases.
ForamuchmoreusefulpaperonvegetarianismIwouldrecommend:
http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357

Edit:I'mgettingdownvotedbutnoexplanationdespitemeproviding
evidence?morestudiessupportingtheoppositetohisclaim:
http://www.mdpi.com/2072
6643/6/3/13186643&rft.volume=6&rft.issue=3&rft.spage=1318&rft_id=info:pmid/2466
UShttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2352199/?
tool=pmcentrez&report=abstract
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[] bikerights

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6points5monthsago

Veryinterestedinthis.(Ithinkyou'regettingdownvoteddueto
jealousy.Seeyou'reusername.)
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[] brolita

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4points5monthsago

Thankyou!Icameheretosaythathischaracterizationof
vegetarianismwasoff,youdiditbetterthanIcould.
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[] letharin

2points5monthsago

Whichstatementsaresupportedbyreferencesandcanbeconsidered
trustworthy?Whenyoupostreferencestotheclaimsiwillpostthe
referencesthatmakesmeconsidertheclaimstobedisputed.Thoughthere
areanumberofclaimsthataretrustworthyonthesite.Rnergyinvsenergy
outisbasicallytheonlyacceptedscientifctheoryonweightcontrollout
thereforinstance,anythingelseishighlydisputed.
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[] sunriseinthemidwest

2points5monthsago

OnethingI'veseenisthat1g/lbofbodyweightforprotein.Thisis
inaccurateaccordingtoresearchpostonAlanAragon'ssite.AlanAragonis
prettywellknowninthefitnesscommunityashehasaresearchreview
wherehewritesamonthlyjournalforhissiteusingsometimes1520peer
reviewedjournalarticlestobackuphispoints.Themostrecentresearch
suggests .82g/lbofbodyweight.Formostpeople,the1g/lbisoverkilland
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couldbebetterifyougotthosecaloriesincarbs.
Frommydiet,Ishootfor:Prot..82g/lbFat65g75g(usedforhormone
production)Carbs350g(basicallyfactorthetwoaboveandconsumethe
restofthecaloriesyouneedwithcarbs).
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WellAlan,asIunderstand,isawaysbehinddoing1g/lbofyourgoal
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[] northernwinds

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350gofcarbs?Really?
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[] BigSwami 38points5monthsago

Obesityisprimarilycausedbybehaviouralandenvironmentalfactorsratherthanby
genetics.
Uhoh,someone'sabouttobecalledafatshamingshitlord.
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[] TeaDrinkingRedditor 24points5monthsago

BUTMUHGENETICSslurpsgiantstarbuckswith5sugars
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[] funktion 11points5monthsago

Delicious,deliciousgenetics
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[] dardanmm 8points5monthsago

WellmymetabolismisslowsoIcan'tdoanythingaboutit.munchesoncake
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[] wretched_cretin 3points5monthsago

Iwasundertheimpressionthatrapeseedoilwasarelativelygoodoil.Cansomeone
ELI5whythisisontheavoidlist?
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[] [deleted]3points5monthsago

Yeahthispageseemstohateseedoilingeneralwhichisnewstome,that'sokay
thoughIlikenutoilsbetteranyway.
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[] esoterikk 3points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Freeradicals,IshouldaddIdon'tactuallyknowifthismakesthembadjustthat
mainstreamnutritiondemonizedthembecauseoffreeradicalscreatedwhen
cookingwiththem.
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[] mattsprofile 2points5monthsago

Ifwefreethem,Ithinkweshouldatleastkeepaneyeonthem.
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[] MistakenNeverWrong 5points5monthsago

Rapeseedoil?Fromtherapefruit?
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[] xeriscaped 5points5monthsago

akacanolaoil
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[] BloodQueef_McOral 2points5monthsago

It'sprettysafeifyouwatchyourback.
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[] wyowill1 3points5monthsago

IstoppedattheAnatomysection.Thehorror!
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[] wxns 4points5monthsago
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Whyisn'tthispostbeingdownvotedtoshitifallI'mseeinginthecommentsare
questionsonthesite'scredibility?
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[] 2FishInATank 2points5monthsago

Becausemostpeoplevoteonthetitleanddon'treadthecomments.
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[] ideasforme 7points5monthsago

Atfirstglancethislookedlikeareallynicelylaidoutpileofinformation,gearedtowards
thosewhodon'tknowmuchaboutpropernutrition/fitness..butafterreadingI'm
actuallyworriedthatsomeoneinthatplaceisgoingtoseethis&takeittooseriously.
Manyconcerningrecommendationshere!ie:asidefromtheirSSFplan,paleo,keto,
andvegan/vegetarian,"nootherdietsareacceptable"..pardon?Thatissuchabroad,
untruestatement.Therearesomanypossiblevarietiesofdiet,tosaythatthese4
strictplansarethebeall,endallofgoodeatingissilly.supplements:whey,D3,fish
oil..andifyouwanttobulk:creatine,orlose:caffeine.
..whey,D3,andfishoilasideasIdothinktheycanhaveabeneficialplaceinahealthy
diet,howdotheybeatoutagoodmulti?Andcreatineisnotevenworththinkingabout
untilsomanyotherthingsaresoundlyinplace.Caffeinetoloselikelywon'tdomuch
harmbutaswe'respeakingtoasocietywhoishugelyovercaffeinated(asa
generalization),italsoprobablyisn'tthefirstthingtorecommend.
I'llstoptherebutoverall,justareminderIsupposetofindmanysourcesforyour
informationandnottakeeverythingatfacevalue.Thispagedoeshavesomereally
goodinformation!..itjustreads(tome)asiftheauthorhadagoodunderstandingof
somethingsandthosesectionsaredonewell..butthentriedtoexpandinto
mechanisms/systemstheydonotfullyunderstandyet,whichistoobad.
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[] dardanmm 2points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Ifyou'rebulking+strengthtraining,creatineshouldbetakenassoonasyoucan.
Itakemulti'sbutitseemslikescienceisunclearwhethertheyactually"work".D3
alsodependsonhowmuchsunlightyougetandwhatnot.
Withthecaffeineidkifhe'smakingacorrelationwiththecreatinetherewasa
mythfloatingaroundthatcaffeinenegatestheeffectsofcreatine.
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[] MrMontage 17points5monthsago

Finally!Adietandfitnesswebsitethatsaysallthesamethingstheotheronessay.Now
peoplewillbeabletoloseweightandgetinshapeforsure.
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[] stanleythemanley44 3points5monthsago

Ireallylikethiswebsite,evenifit'snotperfect.Butthefactisifyou'renotwilling
tolookupthingsbyyourselfinsteadofusingaonestopwebsitelikethisyou
probablywon'tsticktowhateverworkout/dietroutineyoumighthavebeenusing
anyway.
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[] dougthepirate 4points5monthsago

Thesite'smacronutrientcalculatorsaysIneedtoeat250gofproteinonworkoutdays
tobulkup,whenI'mprobablyeatingabouthalfthat.Irememberreadingthatthe
conclusionwasthatthemaximummarginalbenefitwas0.82g/lb.Thissiteispretty
suspect.
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[] invaderpixel 4points5monthsago

That'saround41/42eggsperday.Disneytaughtmethatyouneedtoeat5
dozenor6dozeneggsperdaytogetlarge,sohismathisdefinitelyoff.
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[] WW_D 2points5monthsago

1gpergramofleanbodymass.So.9g/lbofbodyweightifyouhave10%BF,adn
adjustingforyourpersonalfatlevels.Alittlebitmoreneverhurtsthough.
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[] dardanmm 2points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

Yesandthat's0.8perpoundofLEANbodymass.
Alsothecarbintakeseemsextremelylow,Ithinkit'smeantforalowcarbdiet.
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[] BigMacCombo 2points5monthsago

UsuallyIhearit'seither0.8gperlbofBWor1gperlbofleanBW.
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[] somethingsweaty 9points5monthsago*(lastedited5monthsago)

"TheVibramFivefingersarealsousefulforrunning."
Hasn'tthisbeenprovenfalse?
Edit:Vibramlawsuit
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[] friendshabitsfamily 4points5monthsago

Thelawsuitwasaboutfalseadvertising.Thecompanywasmakingexcessive
claimsaboutthehealthbenefitsoftheirshoes.They'restillfineforrunningif
that'syourcupoftea.Becarefulthough,asthereareconsiderationswhen
switchingfromhightolowprofilerunningfootwear.
Asseemstobetheuniversalthemeinthisthread,doyourresearchfirst.
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[] icroak 2points5monthsago

Thewayithelpsisitforcesyoutoruninamannerthatisbetterforyou.Ifyou
alreadyrunproperly,theybringzerobenefit.Butalotofpeopledonotdueto
theirrelianceonheelcushioning.
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[] tbranyen 1point5monthsago

Personalanecdote:Ihavebadknees.I'vepurchasedseveraldifferentrunning
brandedshoesandfeltseverepainnotonlyinmyknees,butalsomyfeetaswell.
Isimplycouldn'truninthem.
IwasrecommendedVibramFivefingersandnowI'mabletorunperfectly.No
kneepain,nofootpain.SoIsupposetheanswertoyourquestionisn'tuniversal.
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[] fjdkf 2points5monthsago

Ihadasimilarexperiencewithverypainfulplantarfasciitis.Standingupfor
thefirsttimeinthemorningwouldmakebebuckleoverinpainsometimes.
Swappedtobarefootshoes,adjustedthewayIranalittle,andwaswithout
painwithinamonth.Itwasjustanormalvibrambarefootshoe(not5
finger),butstill.
Idon'treallyunderstandwhyitworked...Butyea,Idon'tthinkI'llevergo
backtonormalrunners.
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[] Glassassgasket 2points5monthsago

WhatifIjustwanttogainmusclebutdon'thavetoworryaboutlosingfat?
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[] cuminmebro223 9points5monthsago

Eatlotsoffoodandpickupheavyobjects
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[] funktion 3points5monthsago

basically,squatzandoatz
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[] LiterallyBadAss 2points5monthsago

Cananyonefillmeinontheinteractionbetweencaffeineandcreatine?Atthemoment
I'mtakingcreatineinthemorningatthesametimeasmycoffee,soshouldI
1)Stopdrinkingcoffeealtogether,or
2)Takemycreatineatadifferenttimethanmycoffee?
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[] dardanmm 3points5monthsago

AsIpostedabove,therewasamythfloatingaroundthatcaffeinenegatesthe
effectsofcreatinebutit'snottrue.I'monmobilethosoit'snoteasytopostinfo
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[] Sainsbo 2points5monthsago

Fats,especiallysaturatedfats,havebeenunfairlydemonizedintheconventional
Westerndietforcausingweightgainandcardiovasculardisease,whenresearch
showstheopposite.
.
Sincewhenhasthisbeenthecase?
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[] shellacked 2points5monthsago

Iliketheformatandlayout...Noneedtoload15pagestogetwhatyouwant
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[] _valleyone_ 2points5monthsago

Thisisagreatstartingpoint,andIappreciatethatheincludedthedifferencesbetween
"skinnyfat"andoverweightpeople,thedifferentdietapproaches,etc.
Istillfeellikewemissthegreatvarietyinpeople.Ex:MyGIspecialisttoldmeFriday,
"It'sgreatthatyou'reeatingsalad,and,ironically,foralotofpeoplethat'swhythey
aren'tdoingenoughof.Butyoushouldnoteatsalad."Thiswasafteraprimarydoctor
hadsuggestedgoingcompletelyvegan.Butfurthertestingshowedthatwasn'trightfor
me.
Oneday,ournutritionsciencewillbeadvancedenoughtopersonalizeeveryone'sdiets
fortheiruniqueapproachtooptimalhealth.Wewillbeabletodiagnoseindividual
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imbalancesandintolerancesandessentiallytreatpeoplewithfood.
Untilthen,websiteslikethishavegoodstartingpointinformation.Peoplewillneedto
experimentwithdifferentratiosofnutrientstoseewhatworksforthem.
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[] ChibiPillow 2points5monthsago

Awesomesite
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[] imbaname 6points5monthsago

Don'ttakethatTDEEcalculatortooserious.ItsaysIneed2700caloriestomaintainmy
bodyweight.InfactIambulkingon2400.
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[] UHM7 6points5monthsago

What'syourheight/weight/age/gender?
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[] Zerogravity86 4points5monthsago

Completelyagreed.TDEECalculatorsaregreatforgettingyouinaballparkof
howmaycaloriesyoushouldbeeatingbutyouneedtomonitorandweigh
yourselfaswell.Everyoneisslightlydifferentandonlinecalculatorscanonlydoso
much
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[] nicko2003 2points5monthsago

Yeahpersonally,theTDEEcalculatorisalmostdeadonwithmeandIhave
noproblemsusingit'srecommendedcaloricintakeinachievingmyfitness
goals.
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[] PENISPENIS 20points5monthsago

Bulkingon2400?Whatthefuckareyourstats?5"0and130lbs?
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[] [deleted]2points5monthsago

TherealquestiontoaskiswhatOPconsiders"bulking"tobe
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[] Tovarishch 2points5monthsago
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Yeah.Igotmymetabolismtestedafewweeksagoandthisplacesmeabout300
caloriesabovewhatthedocrecommendedonallaccounts.ThenagainI'veyetto
findacalconlinethatreflectedwhatthedoctoldme.
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[] dardanmm 2points5monthsago

They'renotmeanttobetakenserious,it'saballparkyouadjustby250/500
everyweekuntilyougetanideaofyourtruemaintenance
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[] PajamaPokey 3points5monthsago

Thehealthiestfoodsareprimarilyfromplantsandanimalssincetheyare
nutritionallydense.
Plantandanimalsourcesarethemostdensemacronutrientandmicronutrient
sources,andtogetherwillfulfillthedailynutritionalrequirementsinthefewest
calories.
WOW!Fuckingmindblowingrevelations!AllthosefoodsI'vebeeneatingfromsources
otherthanplantsandanimals...whatwasIthinking?!
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[] bdmcx 3points5monthsago

Thedietcanbesabotagedwithexcessivesugar,soy,cornorgrainconsumption.
Giventheabove,avegetariandietiscorrelatedwithpoorhealth.The
temptationsofmeat,particularlybacon,mayalsomakethedietchallengingto
sustain.
Amuchneededbellylaughfortheday.
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[] pmc100 9points5monthsago

Verynice.Postiton/r/fitnesstoo.
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[] AvocadosAndBanana 2points5monthsago

Their"Cons"forveganismaretrash.Likeyoudon'tneedsupplementsforotherdiets?
Oryoudon'thavecravingswithotherdiets?Theotherdietsdon'trequirecarefulmeal
planningorcan'tbesabotaged?
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Veganshavenoproblemsgettingthenecessaryproteins.Thatbitisoldsciencethat
hasbeensupersededwithnewerresearchthatcontradictsthoseoldclaims.
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[] pancake86 4points5monthsago

Simplereallyeatless,movemore
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[] butwhynotlol 6points5monthsago

Forlosingbothfatandmuscles:YES!
Forlosingfatandmaintaining/buildingmuscle?AbsolutelyNO!
Balancenutrition,protein,calories++andfindtherightlevelandtypeofactivity
thatfitslifegoalsandenjoyment=betterhealth.
Eatinglessofanalreadyunbalanceddietandbustingyourassoffisagreatway
toinjureyourselfandjustifyasedentarylifestyle.
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[] WeightsBeforeDates 2points5monthsago

Bookmarked!ThatsitewillmakeforanawesomereadwhileI'monaworkbreakorjust
lookingforreadingmaterial.
Thanks.
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[] Stenodactylus 2points5monthsago

Bookmarked!
ThisarticlemademerealizeIstillneedtobeeatingmoreproteinandfewerrefined
carbs.Ijustlovebagelssomuch:(
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[] brxn 2points5monthsago

Awesomesite..IwishmoresitesontheInternetweredesignedthisway.Thereareno
uselesspagessincescrollingisused.Itisfullofinformation.
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[] LoLlYdE 2points5monthsago

thanks,nowImightgetmyassbacktothegym,nowthatIknowmoreprecisewhatI
didwrong..
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[] Jswiizle 2points5monthsago

Thisisawesome.Tonsofgoodinfohereforalltypesofpeople.Beatsthehelloutofour
governmentsitesforhealth
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[] patfour 2points5monthsago

Mostofitringstruewithwhat'sworkedforme,butgiventheyrecognizethevalueof
proteinandfiber,I'mcuriouswhytheyclassifylegumesunder"Moderation"ratherthan
"Essential."Ican'tfathomwhythey'drecommendeatingpotatoesmoreoftenthan
kidneybeans.
Ictrl+f'edthewords"legume"and"bean"Ihopedthey'dgointomoredetail,butno
suchluck.
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[] WW_D 2points5monthsago

Paleorecommendsagainstlegumes.Potatoesareabouttheonlystarchthatthey
areallowedtoeat,andyouneedsomekindacarbtofuelworkouts.
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[] ebullientpostulates 2points5monthsago

BbutmuhJargons!
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