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D10 Patches differ from manual - Does a factory reset change this ??
cak900

Posted: 26 April 2012 01:35 AM

Newbie

Please excuse my ignorance here, I am a guitar player who has just got
hold of a D10 for my son and to noodle around on myself. The patches
on my D10 seem to differ slightly from the ones listed in the manual. For
example in the manual the first one is "Warm Pad Fade" but on mine it is

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"Steam Pad" and I don't have "Warm Pad Fade". I recall using a patch on
a friends DX7 years ago called Warm Pad Fade and it was really good. If I
do a Factory Reset by holding down Tune/Function and Write whilst
turning on will it revert to the settings in the manual or did Roland
change the patches during the D10's production ?.
I read somewhere that doing the above reset wipes out all the sounds
and leaves you with no sounds at all, is that right ?!. That would be a
nightmare as I don't have any computing equipment to load stuff back
and MIDI is a mystery to me. I will probably never get to programme stuff
but that's no biggie as long as I can get some cool sounds from the
presets. Still haven't figured how to set the drum machine going yet but I
was keen to ask for advice re the patches.
Apologies if I sound like a real dumbass but I'm a Fender Strat and
Marshall kind of guy, with a few stompboxes!
Cheers
John

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Posted: 26 April 2012 04:11 AM

I am pretty sure the factory reset will re-instate the keyboard to 'out of
the box' status.
It is most likely someone has modified the patches once to suit their
needs..
There is another alternative, by using a PC sequencer type software and
the restore file from
http://www.rolandus.com/support/downloads_updates/general_apps.php
will re-load the factory patches and tones.
The drum machine is pretty basic from what i remember, classic 80's

sounds (it is a very old keyboard) i used to use the preset demo song
"Dinner Set" at the end of my gigs way back in the day.
A fairly complicated keyboard to program, and the buttons tend to wear
out, required extra pressure to make some work.
Signature
long time BOSS/Roland equipment user.

Mr Arkadin
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Posted: 26 April 2012 09:08 AM

I'm fairly sure the factory restore only resets the global parameters and
does not reinstate the factory presets and shouldn't wipe any current
sounds.
However the patches are available for installation via MIDI from here (say
using Cubase, Reaper. etc.):
http://www.roland.co.uk/Support/Downloads_Updates/eula.aspx?
Asset=zip/factorypatches.zip
There's no drum machine in the D-10. There are drum sounds, but they
have to be triggered from an external sequencer (e.g. Cubase, Reaper,
etc.). The drum sounds are usually on MIDI channel 10.

cak900
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Mr Arkadin
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Posted: 26 April 2012 01:45 PM

Help, I am in trouble here. I tried the factory reset option and the dispaly
now just reads (initial patch) in brackets and all of the sounds have
changed. I should have left it well alone as it was working fine, doh!. Can
anyone tell me what to do to get the patches back ?. Not sure how to
get download info from the support site onto the D10. I realise I am
probably being dim here. The timbres seem to be there but not the
patches ??

Posted: 26 April 2012 02:06 PM

Don't panic yet.

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Do you have some sort of MIDI connection that can go from the
computer to the D-10?

Do you have any sequencer program like Cubase, Reaper, Ableton, Logic
etc.?
I need the answer to these two questions before we can proceed.

cak900

Posted: 26 April 2012 02:17 PM

Newbie

Unfortunately no to both at the moment :(

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Mr Arkadin
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Posted: 26 April 2012 02:57 PM

OK, well it would be advisable to get a MIDI interface of some type
anyway if you want your son to gain anything from using it, seeing as
everyone uses a computer these days. No need to get expensive yet,
buy something like one of these for example:
http://www.roland.co.uk/products/productdetails.aspx?
p=1091#.T5lfCtngV8F
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno.html
which uses one of your computer's USB ports for MIDI.
Connect the MIDI In lead to the D-10's MIDI Out and the MIDI Out lead
to the D-10's MIDI In.
Do buy a decent brand though as some of the cheapo ones don't work
that well. You will need to install the drivers that come with it. This is very
simple and should be explained in the manual for the device. Your
computer should now see the device.

That's stage 1. Now for stage 2 you will need a program to play back the
MIDI file I linked to earlier. I use Cubase. Check your computer has no
music sequencer bundled with it for free (many have cut-down versions
e.g. Cubase LE is a cut-down of the full Cubase). If you really have no
sequencer program then you can download a program called Reaper. You
can demo it for free and you will only need it for a brief time so no need
to buy it. You can get it here:
http://www.reaper.fm/download.php
The basics of what you need to do is to import the MIDI file into Reaper
(this should be easy). You will need to set the D-10 to receive SysEx
messages (that will be in the manual) and then just hit play and the D-10

will receive the file. The factory presets should now be loaded into the D10's memory.
There may be a few extra stages we need to go through as this is your
first time using MIDI, but that's the basics of it.

cak900

Posted: 26 April 2012 03:35 PM

Newbie

OK, I'll get hold of a MIDI/USB interface and we'll take it from there.
Thanks a lot for your help.

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Mr Arkadin
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Posted: 26 April 2012 04:37 PM

I have just found a D-20 factory SysEx in .syx format rather than .mid

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(MIDI) format which should load fine in a D-10 (according to one site I
saw). It is probably easier than trying to use Reaper. The D-20 factory

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sounds (plus others) are here:

http://www.synthzone.com/midi/roland/d10/D20_syx.zip
The file you want is d20factd.syx (factd).
You will still need the USB to MIDI adapter, but you should be able to
load the D-10 with a small free program called MIDI-OX. It can send
sysex files directly to your D-10. It is a bit quirky and requires a bit of set
up, but I use it a fair bit so should be able to talk you through it.
MIDI-OX is available here:
http://www.midiox.com/

cak900
Newbie

Posted: 26 April 2012 05:48 PM

Great, I will post again when I have the interface, thanks again.

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cak900

Posted: 01 May 2012 02:33 PM

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Have got the interface but have not connected it to the PC yet. Have also
installed MIDI-OX I think although I see no new icons on my PC desktop.

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Ready to go for the fix.

Mr Arkadin

Posted: 01 May 2012 04:43 PM

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OK, well connect your interface and let's get going. Connect the USB to

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your computer, and connect the MIDI Out lead to the D-10's MIDI In

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socket and the MIDI In lead to the D-10's MIDI Out socket.
You will probably need drivers for the PC to see your USB-MIDI lead.
Which one did you get? I might be able to download the manual.
Go to My Computer>Local Disk(C)>Programs>MIDIOX
Inside the MIDIOX folder there will be a whole list of stuff. Double-click on
the one that says "midiox" that has a symbol with a red-stripe (if it's big
enough it looks like a Swiss army knife).
Once that's up and running you should have a small box with various
menu options on its top row. Click "Options" and select "MIDI Devices"
from the drop-down menu. This is the bit that may take a little bit of
messing about with but hopefully you should see some MIDI in and out
ports. Highlight them and click OK. We may have to come back to this
section.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Once you get that bit working, the transfer is very easy. Download the
System Exclusive date from here:
http://www.synthzone.com/midi/roland/d10/D20_syx.zip
The file you want after you unzip it is d20factd.syx (factd). Once you
know how to load this you can try experimenting loading the other files
which have different sounds, knowing that you can always get back to
the factory settings by reloading thed20factd.syx file.
In MIDI-OX select Actions>Send>SysEx File. Use the browser window
that opens to navigate to where you have the d20factd file. Once you
highlight that file and hit OK it will be sent to your D10. Hopefully your D10 will give some indication that it is receiving the file and that should be
it. We may have to adjust some buffer speeds to slow down the send if
you get any errors, but we'll worry about that later if needed.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------You may have to set up the D-10 to receive this data. I got this from the
internet on how to do it:
Loading Instructions for the D-5/D-10/D-20 Multi Timbral

Linear Synthesizer
1) Set the Exc Unit # by pressing MIDI, then either DISPLAY
button until the parameter is shown. [this is usually 17]
2) To load the data, press Data Transfer, then press either
Display button until the screen says One Way Bulk.
3) Press the right cursor to select Load. Press either cursor to
select All. Press Enter. Press Write to turn off memory
protect.
4) Press Enter and start Media Player or your sequencer.
[MIDI-Ox in our case]
5) The unit should respond with 'Loading' and will return to
the previous mode when completed.

cak900

Posted: 01 May 2012 06:38 PM

Newbie

Got some of the way. The D10 is saying One-Way Load All Waiting.
When I go to options on MIDI-OX and try and highlight all the in and out

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ports I get a message saying - MIDI mapper the device is already in use
Wait until it is free and try again. There is one input and four outputs in
the boxes.

cak900

Posted: 01 May 2012 06:51 PM

Newbie

It looks like there is stuff happening in MIDI-OX and the In light on the

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interface is flashing but the D10 is just saying Waiting ?

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Mr Arkadin

Posted: 01 May 2012 06:53 PM

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What is the input called and what are the four outputs called in the MIDI

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Devices window?

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cak900

Posted: 01 May 2012 07:04 PM

Newbie

Midi Inputs:

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1.USB2.0-MIDI
Midi Outputs:
1.Microsoft GS wavetable synth
2.USB2.0-MIDI
3.MIDIOUT(USB2.0-MIDI)
4.MIDI mapper

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