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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
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Jack Martin
Mark Schrupp
Jerry Greenblatt
William Aldridge
Marvin Ward
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1 trying to make is it did not improve -2 MR. SCHRUPP: It's on the next slide. That
3 slide will show you the balance.
4 MR. MARTIN: Right. If you look on slide
5 9, cash and investment balances, you can see how
6 they have declined from 2010, 37.2, down to 1.7
7 in 2014.
8 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: Okay.
9 MR. MARTIN: Did you want to say any more
10 on the causes?
11 MR. SCHRUPP: You mentioned the declining
12 enrollment, the declining population, people in
13 the city are leaving and taking their kids with
14 them. The overstaffing, making the adjustments
15 fast enough to match the enrollment is hard to
16 do.
17 Bill had a chart on the per-pupil rent
18 figure going down. This table shows what it was
19 in 2010, and where it declined to currently. So
20 we're losing kids, but the amount per child is
21 going down.
22 MR. MARTIN: And that decline was about 21
23 percent, I believe.
24 MR. SCHRUPP: Over five years. And then
25 that's the per pupil.
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1 else wait.
2 MR. MARTIN: And the other critical
3 vendors, for example, Gary Sanitation District,
4 the corporation's counsel said we might try to
5 negotiate with the mayor to get some of that
6 forgiven. I don't know how that would play in
7 Gary, but we're going to try that.
8 CIGNA, they basically told us no. NIPSCO
9 said they might forgive interest. But it's -10 it's a big number. And these are venders that
11 if we don't pay them, we're going to basically
12 have to shut the schools down. Then we've got
13 some other things, such as fire safety, we need
14 money for that.
15 MR. SCHRUPP: We're out of funds.
16 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: And this is with the
17 state fire marshal.
18 MR. MARTIN: Right. We've talked to the
19 fire marshal, and they are working with us so, I
20 think they are going to give us time to make all
21 these repairs.
22 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: Okay. What do those
23 repairs come to? Do you have a number on those
24 repairs? I know that initially the school
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1 there.
2 MR. SCHRUPP: Right.
3 MR. MARTIN: Other issues, we were just on
4 the phone with the corporation a few minutes
5 ago, and we've got boiler issues in some of the
6 schools now. And one vendor is demanding we pay
7 all past due bills, in addition to half of what
8 it's going to cost to fix the boilers right now.
9 So we're trying to work through that.
10 We have two schools that we've got in the
11 old administration -12 MR. SCHRUPP: Two schools in the former
13 administration building. The systems just have
14 not been maintained, so they are actually
15 falling apart faster.
16 MR. GREENBLATT: Schools that are
17 unoccupied invite theft, looking for copper,
18 looking for metals, looking for value.
19 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: So does that mean it's
20 important that if a school goes to vacancy, it
21 needs to go off the books? Is that kind of the
22 message that you're making?
23 MR. MARTIN: Well, it needs to be secured.
24 Because, you know -- and it's not as bad in
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1 Central?
2 MR. SCHRUPP: Illinois Central.
3 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: You expect on a
4 three-year contract, that can go one of a couple
5 ways. I mean, that's -6 MR. SCHRUPP: There's an option for
7 renewal, so you could negotiate a reduction.
8 Gas prices are a lot lower than they were three
9 years ago, so they may have built in a little
10 bit more cost for that, and now they're, you
11 know, they have got a little more cushion. But
12 you may put it out for bid and get some others.
13 I think to get anyone to bid, we've got to
14 improve the picture. Because bidders are real
15 nervous about providing work without money up
16 front. And that's going to be a challenge.
17 But the State has been helping, Mike Rocka
18 has been real helpful.
19 Food services, I'm not clear on all of the
20 history of it, but there were certainly some
21 accounting and compliance issues that cause the
22 service to go from partially outsourced with
23 management and staffing by the district to a
24 hundred percent outsourcing, so all of the food
25 service staff is employed by Sodexo. Initially
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1 here?
2 MR. MARTIN: We have about the same number
3 of salaried DPS employees in IT as they have at
4 Gary Schools, but a lot of the rest of it was
5 all outsourced.
6 MR. ALDRIDGE: Having outsourcing, as I
7 think was mentioned, really allows you to take
8 advantage of the peaks and valleys in terms of
9 your IT operation. But if you have got 40-hour
10 weeks, X number of days, there's no opportunity
11 in terms of, again, generating those savings
12 that could result again from outsourcing, to
13 have the flexibility to utilize resources only
14 when needed versus just there all the time.
15 MR. GREENBLATT: I was amazed at how -- the
16 length of service of some of the help desk
17 people, some of them with 30 years or more with
18 the corporation.
19 MR. MARTIN: The superintendent thinks they
20 should all be fired, and we should automatically
21 get rid of the floor people, because they don't
22 believe they do anything.
23 MR. GREENBLATT: Well, they track their
24 calls, they track those things, so they are
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1 inventory list.
2 MR. GREENBLATT: Yeah.
3 MR. MARTIN: Okay. Revenue enhancement
4 initiatives. We are looking at a total of 60
5 million dollars. I don't think there are any
6 revenue enhancements that are going to
7 significantly dent that. But we have to look at
8 trying to bring as much revenue into the
9 corporation as we can.
10 So we've -- we are trying to get all of the
11 required budget submissions into the State. And
12 Marvin is helping us out with that a lot. We
13 think that, just submitting those various
14 reports, the Form 1, 2, 3, and all the rest of
15 the complicated system, just getting those in
16 will help us generate revenue.
17 And Courtney has been helping us get that
18 done, so we appreciate that.
19 Auction, we have an RFP that's gone out to
20 auction our surplus materials -- I mean,
21 materials, equipment, whatever we have. There's
22 a lot of stuff sitting around in warehouses.
23 It's not a lot of money, but it's something that
24 we might be able to use to maintain and fix
25 equipment. So that RFP is out.
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1 charter schools.
2 And it's a vicious cycle, enrollment
3 declines, lost revenue, cost cutting and school
4 closures, student enrollment declines and lost
5 revenue. And it doesn't end. And we -- I think
6 you see the same kind of thing in other urban
7 settings commonly.
8 To be successful we think we need to
9 eliminate the cash emergencies. We need to
10 right-size the number of staff with the number
11 of students. And Dr. Pruitt is attacking that,
12 and not getting the cooperation, I think, from
13 the HR people, who -- competency may be an issue
14 there. But we're looking and want to make sure
15 we have just the number of teachers we need for
16 the enrollment the school has.
17 Relief from excessive competition, that's
18 an issue throughout the country, so I don't -- I
19 don't personally see that happening. I think
20 the school choice, that's going to continue.
21 So when I was at DPS, they said the only
22 way to ensure that your student population is
23 going to grow is to offer a superior product.
24 And if you can offer a better education product,
25 the kids will come. And I have seen that all
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1 over.
2 So that's the thing. And we can talk about
3 academics, but that's -- we haven't really
4 talked to Dr. Pruitt about that -- but that's
5 something we're going to bring up at this board
6 retreat, if they can, if we have got bad schools
7 the kids are going to leave. The parents are
8 going to take them out, except the parents that
9 lack the sophistication to know the kids need a
10 good education. So that's an issue.
11 Turnaround plan, we had a little discussion
12 about what the turnaround plan is going to look
13 like. And I don't know if Bill agrees with me
14 totally.
15 MR. ALDRIDGE: Yes.
16 MR. MARTIN: For me, the only way we're
17 going to survive, out of the box we're going to
18 have to shed some labor costs. If we don't do
19 that, there won't be anything to talk about.
20 So.
21 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: How about -- you know, a
22 couple other points -- the community engagement,
23 and the development of strategic planning,
24 community buy in, are you finding that within
25 the region, whether it's within the school
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11 think it would probably mean trying to have -12 take our kids and move them to other school
13 corporations.
14 Because if the teachers -- nobody is going
15 to work without compensation -- and we're
16 having, we're worried about payroll coming up on
17 the 30th of October. So if we -- if the loan,
18 we don't receive it, then I know that CIGNA, the
19 only reason they're still around is that they
20 expect that we're going to get this money to pay
21 them.
22 That goes for all the other, NIPSCO, all
23 those critical vendors, will cease services if
24 we don't get this loan. And that would -- I
25 think even right now, some of the fringe
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1 eye.
2 (Chorus of ayes.)
3 CHAIRMAN VINCENT: Any opposed?
4 Do we have any other business today? Do we
5 have anybody from the public that wishes to
6 comment?
7 MR. WARD: Yes. Relative to the director's
8 comments there on the separate fund, I would
9 assume that it is not anticipated this would be
10 worked into the '16 budget that's being worked
11 on right now through the process, because we've
12 already had the hearings. We've got adoption
13 scheduled for the 27th. So this would be
14 separately established, and wouldn't necessarily
15 require any special statements on this year's
16 Gateway budget process?
17 MS. SCHAAFSMA: We could -- we have some
18 flexibility on that through statutes to where
19 even though this particular debt fund would not
20 have been advertised originally due to the
21 Department's requirement to fund debt once it is
22 issued, we would have the ability to come in and
23 place this onto the 2016 levies.
24 MR. WARD: So it would show up on the 1782
25 as a separate levy? Okay. Thank you.
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1 STATE OF INDIANA )
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2 COUNTY OF MARION )
3 I, Tamara J. Brown, CSR, RMR, CRR, a
4 Notary Public in and for the County of Marion,
5 State of Indiana at large, do hereby certify
6 that on the 22nd day of October, 2015, I took
7 down in stenograph notes the foregoing
8 proceedings, and that the foregoing transcript
9 is a full, true and correct transcript made from
10 my stenographic notes.
11 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
12 set my hand and affixed my notarial seal this
13 _______ day of __________________, 2015.
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16 N O T A R Y P U B L I C
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18 My Commission Expires:
19 November 3, 2017
20 County of Residence:
21 Marion
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16,564,536 22:6
27th 90:13
28th 86:19
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5
17 70:3,5 72:20
5,000 64:3
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$15,900 9:4
$150,000 74:8
1782 90:24
3 8:5 48:14
$1500 34:3
18 27:8
3,000 32:3
53 20:8 21:9
$3,800,000 20:16
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3.4 33:25
55 34:19
$380 35:11
1906 8:19
570 53:6
$50,926,000 21:18
1909 9:13
$500,000 23:3
$60,000 79:16
1970 9:19
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2 48:14
2.1 13:21
1.5 71:23
1.7 15:6
20 10:18
10 16:2,12,17,21 25:19
20-28-7.5 69:15
11 13:20
11,000 12:4
12 13:20 22:18 38:15
44:22
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12.7 18:4
123,000 9:6
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13 4:7 13:21
13th 4:20 56:11
14 33:6,16
15 5:9 9:20 11:12,13
18:25 20:1,3 22:7 24:10
25:13,17,19 30:8 55:19
60:1,15 69:8 72:4 74:18
77:15 82:2 83:20 84:11
86:10 87:3 89:20
6 9:10,11
6,996 12:7
6.1 35:9
36.7 21:8,9
2.6 13:23
10-five 24:8
3200 34:18
34 71:7
2.5 30:10
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6
33 69:7,8
1.4 35:15
580 38:1
31 60:8
$65,000 42:7
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5.9 21:1
6.3 33:19
37 24:8
6.8 20:13
37.2 15:6
60 11:13 48:4
38 11:12 24:8
200 14:3
4.8 35:17
40 51:18
40,500 76:15,24
40-acre 30:14
40-hour 45:9
400 12:10
416 30:12
419 27:16
419,000 27:9
42 21:15 51:18 72:9
43 9:19
213 8:6,9
43.3 21:16
22 30:3
44 55:4
24 83:25
600,000 50:1
61 35:19
4 8:17 60:12
53:3
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630 12:9
633,595 20:15
65 33:3 35:16
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78,000 9:9
47 24:12 70:16
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25 55:24
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8.6 18:3
anti-charter 80:22
auctioneer 47:17
80 46:22
80,000 31:7
antiques 40:25
81 51:23
addressed 60:11
8600 12:5
adhering 85:7
87 35:8
adjourn 91:2
8900 12:5
adjourned 91:3
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90-day 74:9
91 51:23
adjustments 15:14
ADM 83:10
administration 7:23
28:11,13 78:10
administrative 6:20
21:14
9100 12:5
9200 12:5
9800 12:4
ability 90:22
absolutely 25:6
academic 9:15 59:11,13,
14 82:24
academics 62:3
access 43:24
account 23:21 42:25
accountant 5:20
accounted 22:15
accounting 36:21 85:6
accounts 3:17 20:23
25:18 41:6 55:19,21 60:9
accuracy 19:4,20
accurate 25:14
achieve 24:21,24
Acobert 3:11,12 4:12
13:16 20:22 82:9 88:12
acre 30:13
action 81:18
active 41:16
actual 22:20 30:17
actuaries 60:3
application 57:14,15
appointed 6:1
appropriation 71:8
approval 4:7
agency 17:8
Arrington 5:21
agrees 62:13
ahead 3:5
Aldridge 5:18 17:3
18:15,20,23 19:22 23:23
44:9,24 45:6 62:15
75:22
arts 75:24
artwork 41:1
AS/400 39:2 40:5
assess 47:1
assets 23:14 42:21,25
assigned 7:6
assignment 7:14
assistant 7:1
allowing 8:3
alluded 85:14
appraisals 47:12
79:21,23
aged 25:17
appraisal 47:13
areas 41:19
agree 81:10
avenues 65:22
averages 9:22
afternoon 9:16
aggressive 81:25
automatically 45:20
appointments 5:24
advertised 90:20
authorized 47:11
appointment 6:24
adoption 90:12
Appeals 3:3
60:11,12,13,16 86:5
71:24 85:2
amazed 45:15
athletes 78:16
attacking 61:11
backed 70:18
background 5:3,19 8:17
30:6
backtracking 58:17
bad 24:15 28:24 46:18
62:6
attention 25:22
basis 21:24
attract 59:16
battery 32:13
annual 70:6
attractive 59:8,11
began 64:8
answers 83:12
auction 48:19,20
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belief 24:20
briefings 7:19
calls 45:24
brilliant 77:9
camp 67:18,19
79:14
18
bidder 35:23
brings 66:20
canceled 74:4
bidders 36:14
broad 81:14
capacity 54:17
bidding 60:6
broader 64:18
capita 9:3
BS 6:11
car 31:6
bigger 65:3,5
bucket 32:11
59:19
Index: belief..claiming
12 86:4,16,24 87:14,17,
23 88:13 89:16,22,25
90:3 91:1
channels 64:15
character 40:22
carried 41:23
charge 7:8
carrying 16:8
charged 35:10
bills 28:7
budgets 41:14
charges 27:20
birth 53:10
bit 5:19 29:22 34:8 36:10
50:12,14 51:16 76:10,24
60:19 90:10,16
buildings 10:1,15,17
23:16 29:1,18 30:8,9,18
31:14,17 37:10
69:21 86:18,19
category 70:8
causing 29:16 30:23
biweekly 82:25
blocks 58:2
bullet 71:9,12
cease 73:23
blow 74:17
burden 60:20
census 9:8
31:12
Bush 7:22
business 3:13 4:6 37:18
73:10 90:4
certificates 53:11
certified 5:20
buzz 74:12
borrowing 13:22
check 85:8
checks 41:21,22 85:23
chemical 30:22
borders 13:1
chartered 80:19
chemicals 31:3
buying 31:2
cents 25:19
century 46:10
books 28:21
chemically 30:21
bussed 11:25
24 82:10,16
chart 15:17
centralized 14:13,15
body 29:7
bolt 57:16
charging 37:24
CFO 6:16
chairman 3:2,9 4:1,11,
14,16,18 5:15,20 6:15
10:3,7,14,25 12:11 13:15
14:12,17,24 15:8 16:15
18:19 19:17,23 20:24
23:5 24:16 25:1,7 26:16,
22 27:12,24 28:19 29:11
31:4 32:21 35:25 36:3
39:11 40:15,24 41:10
43:6,14 44:5,25 46:1 49:1
50:24 51:9 52:5,24 53:4,
15 54:5,18 55:5,12 56:6,
21 60:7 62:21 64:6 66:9,
20 68:5 70:5,11,20 71:19
72:1,14,22 73:1 75:3 80:4
81:4 83:18 84:3 85:5,10,
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CISC 55:8
cities 17:10
city 6:3 9:9 15:13 20:6
23:11 34:4 54:8 60:24
63:18 68:3,20,22 69:6
80:8
claiming 20:19
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class 25:2,11 70:12,15,
16,17
clear 36:19
clerical 33:18
close 10:16,17 11:18
13:12 16:14,15,17 21:4
29:19 30:1 46:17 57:13
58:11,18 68:24
Commissioner 3:22
consolidation 56:7,25
constitution 87:19
commonly 61:7
contextualized 57:9
communication 82:10
compared 51:11,19
76:16
continuous 17:21
contract 34:17 35:20
36:4 37:9 59:24
contracted 37:7
compensation 73:15
contractors 44:23
competency 61:13
contracts 33:4
competition 61:17
contributions 78:13
competitive 51:15
complete 31:22
closings 58:5
closure 8:12 58:9 59:7
completely 29:6
conversation 81:12
closed 11:5,6,9,10,12
46:11 58:20 76:12
closer 11:24
closing 11:21 29:15
39:20 57:19,25
84:7
Index: class..dealing
costs 9:2 16:6,8,19 17:18
21:13,14 38:3,24 50:20
62:18 82:8
Counties 3:20
country 17:9 61:18 74:16
County 12:15
couple 30:9 36:4 46:14
62:22 63:13
courtesy 82:19
Courtney 3:21 48:17
cover 72:16
CPA 5:21
crew 32:9
critical 22:4,13,14 24:16,
19 25:8,9 26:2 73:23
74:19 75:2
CUI 40:22
conversations 84:5
complicated 48:15
convert 40:9
cushion 36:11
collaborate 69:5
compromise 23:1,21
convinced 40:8
custodial 32:8
cooperation 61:12
custodians 33:1,15
collaborative 80:10
cooperative 39:8
collect 23:13
collected 72:9
25 43:21
copper 28:17
conceptualization
82:23
corner 16:16
collection 46:6,10
conceptualize 82:22
collections 50:5,9,10
collectively 64:4
concerns 11:1,3
column 20:5
concert 56:15
combine 59:2,7
condition 46:20
combined 35:18
conference 82:25
confirm 19:3
comfort 68:8,15
confirmations 55:23
commencing 69:7
comment 8:6 75:5 79:3,
8 81:5 90:6
commenting 46:1
comments 79:10 87:9
89:22 90:8
confirmed 51:6
Conservation 46:23
47:10
corporation's 18:16
26:4 52:17
conservative 27:7,17
considered 47:13
consistent 33:8 38:6
consolidating 57:20
85:4,5
cost/benefit 39:12
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debt 18:1,14,24 19:4,7,9,
12,13 20:10,14 60:20,21
71:8 74:22 88:17,20 89:1,
3,9,11,13 90:19,21
depends 25:2
deposit 41:24 42:1,4
deputy 3:16
debts 85:3
Desai 5:21
donating 63:25
desks 39:23
doom 32:16
detail 24:18
door 4:3,4
deteriorate 47:22
doubled 49:25
59:25
decided 67:19
decisions 16:7 32:2 47:2
68:15
declined 15:6,19
declines 20:18 61:3,4
declining 8:22 15:11,12
decreases 8:20
decreasing 76:4
deduct 22:2
Index: debt..ERP
efficient 10:13 38:14
59:16
efficiently 32:20
effort 80:10
Eighteen 34:9
elect 12:2
elected 82:14
electricians 33:16
61:21 67:18
element 83:21
eligible 49:19,23 52:20
eliminate 61:9
draft 7:11,12
Elkhart 3:19
develop 80:24
Dramatic 13:19
email 44:12
development 62:23
emergencies 61:9
difficult 42:12
drilled 18:23
drive 29:24
Emerson 29:6
driven 13:24
employed 36:25
employees 44:22 45:3
42:1,4
deducted 21:17
directly 37:23
drivers 35:5
Deducting 22:3
drives 79:20
deducts 21:5
director's 90:7
driving 31:6
deep 57:18
disappearing 47:21
default 72:20
discuss 77:22
dropped 6:13
defense 7:23
discussing 58:23
dropping 11:8
deficient 38:22
engagement 62:22
delayed 58:9
delinquent 60:21
delivered 49:20
delivering 8:23
delta 22:8 72:11
demanding 28:6
demographic 12:23
discussions 60:15
Distressed 3:3
district 17:18 23:24 26:3
36:23 49:14 60:18 63:1
80:19
21 55:3 60:25
doable 83:3
early 67:1
Department 3:14,22,25
doctorate 6:12
documentation 19:2
Ed 76:22
edge 56:24
documents 87:5
DOE 82:24
dollar 25:19
dollars 13:20 19:10 20:9,
49:15
enrolled 57:23
dental 74:1
dependents 52:18
enhancement 48:3
duties 7:5
earlier 56:24
depend 39:17
33:25 34:7
enhancements 48:6
53:11
dive 57:18
Department's 90:21
employer 68:21
65:21 66:23
dual 56:24
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entire 80:19
entities 65:4
entity 23:10 54:10
equipment 32:9,11,12,
19 33:2 37:20 38:18
48:21,25 49:13
erosion 83:8
ERP 40:5,10
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Index: essentially..graduate
essentially 19:5
fiscal 17:8
facing 17:11
fit 73:7
fundraise 66:25
estimates 70:9
estimating 12:9 20:25
33:24 59:1
fixing 46:24
fall 81:3
falling 28:15
evaluation 32:6
exact 10:5
familiar 8:19
family 63:25 64:2
examiners 3:16
exceeds 33:20
excess 50:6
excessive 61:17
executive 3:12 7:6
famous 46:6
fantastic 18:17,21
Farms 5:22
fast 15:15 16:1,25 17:1,
13
faster 28:15
exhaustion 11:11
Exhibit 21:19
exists 43:18
expect 8:14 10:8,9 36:3
59:5 71:19 73:20
explored 55:18
expression 64:11
extended 34:24
extent 52:1
floor 45:21
floors 30:12 32:10
gap 76:12
flux 83:9
Gas 36:8
feel 75:14,16
forgive 26:9
feeling 78:24
forgiven 26:6
feet 30:10
Form 48:14
felt 69:23
extreme 20:4
fine 27:3
eye 90:1
founded 8:19
four-year 13:19
fraction 32:18
frames 29:10
frankly 5:14
freeze-up 58:10
frequently 7:9
fringe 18:9 73:25
front 25:22 36:16 84:13
full 34:24 35:13 69:22
31:16,18
fired 45:20
firm 5:21
87:2
foundations 63:13,15
extraordinary 33:6
force 52:12,13
60:10
finalizing 13:16
explore 55:18
flex 40:2
follow 86:3
exempt 18:1
80:20
generally 43:19
generate 48:16 71:10
generating 45:11
geographic 11:1
George 6:19
get all 48:10
get almost 33:5
give 10:5 26:20 85:21,22
giving 67:25
glad 46:21 86:21
goal 79:2
Gold 47:7
good 4:5 22:17 35:19
39:16 42:8 46:17 57:5
60:7 62:10 68:17 69:12
77:19,20 78:11,24 82:13
Government 3:23,25
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grand 79:15
grant 21:6
graphic 40:21
grass 30:15
great 34:4 51:7 59:9
green 40:18
Greenblatt 5:18 28:16
29:9 38:9 39:18 40:16
41:2,12 43:9,17 44:7,15
45:15,23 46:5 48:2 51:24
86:23
grew 12:14
group 38:11 40:23 53:7
55:7 63:4 64:14 85:2
88:25
hopes 86:23
hospital 65:25 68:25
head 25:15
headquartered 5:22
Indianapolis 65:13,14,
15
indirect 21:13
70:23
53:12
23:24 30:13 42:18 53:1
63:3 74:16
hot 68:13
independent 52:19,25
Indiana 3:13,22 9:6
69:1
Index: grand..Internal
69:11
inefficiencies 16:11
34:12 57:20
inefficient 8:24
inflexible 38:10
hurts 8:25
influential 82:21
hearings 90:12
HVAC 31:20
informed 23:23
grow 61:23
heating 33:25
helped 29:22
IBM 39:2
initial 88:18
IC 69:14
guaranteed 37:7
initiative 54:25
guarantees 37:8
48:12,17
infrastructure 39:21
43:22
guard 41:23
helps 25:21
Hey 78:16
GUI 40:21
guy 7:16
guys 39:14 49:2 56:23
68:9 78:15 79:19
haircut 24:21,23
half 12:24,25 28:7 33:14
72:15
implemented 43:4,12
important 28:20 39:7
75:16 80:1 82:16
importantly 18:8
hire 14:7
impressed 75:8,23
hiring 14:7,13,14
H.W. 6:20
implementation 8:9
historic 14:2
history 9:7 10:1 12:3
36:20 67:8
77:19
hit 17:15
inability 16:1
incentive 52:6
handles 85:1
hole 76:19
handout 71:15,18
holidays 33:6
home 9:5
hometown 78:23
honest 75:10
honeymoon 8:16
hope 87:24
integrated 41:3
intend 77:22
intended 84:20
intensity 39:23
intercept 20:14 72:23
81:8
33:15
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Index: internet..Magic
internet 43:25
judicial 6:22
listing 84:18
internships 64:22
litigation 16:8
interrupt 19:19
introduce 3:5,6 5:16
inventory 41:5 48:1
invest 27:23,25
investigate 49:6
69:18,23
jump 5:10
lastly 59:17
jumping 73:6
launching 73:4
jurisdictions 80:12
investigation 56:4
K
investigator 47:16
investment 14:22 15:5
18:3
lawsuits 24:12
lay 69:16,18
laying 69:10
layoffs 69:22 79:20
K-12 44:6
leaders 59:14
key 69:3
invite 28:17
kick 5:10
invoices 37:10,11
involves 43:2
Iraq 7:13
iron 68:13
IRS 22:24 23:6 49:7
issue 17:20 43:13,14,16,
17 51:21 54:21 60:11
61:13,18 62:10
issued 90:22
issues 6:5 28:3,5 31:13,
15,20 36:21 63:16
IU 64:10,16 66:8
legislation 64:9
kindergartens 34:25
63:21 64:20,25
janitor 80:3
L
janitors 79:13
Jerry 5:17 38:8
job 7:17
jobs 78:6
Joe 3:20
Johnson 64:1
legacy 16:6
legal 54:2
kitchen 37:20
Jack 4:23 5:1,2,10 6:15
kills 29:13
ledger 41:7,15
legislative 85:13
legitimate 37:24
living 67:24
loaded 79:14
loan 5:9 22:5 25:13
71:11,20 72:2,3 73:4,8,
10,17,24 80:4 81:13,16
83:19,21 87:3,4,10,14
88:19,25 89:5,6,12,17,20
located 9:18
locked 16:5
long 52:12 56:10
long-term 77:17 79:2
80:5,6 82:4
loss 20:18
losses 13:24 18:12 59:2
60:23 69:19
length 45:16
68:8 71:4
liabilities 55:22
licensed 43:3
loudest 21:25
licensing 42:8
lowest 79:22
likelihood 23:17
lucky 64:3
labor-saving 32:11
limp 83:6
lady 67:24
M
made 16:7 18:11 68:16,
17 74:8 75:6 79:3
Magic 64:1
judge 6:20
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magnitude 49:25
main 70:8
mainframe 40:4
maintain 38:12 42:7
48:24
maintenance 30:5,17
31:12,16 33:15,21 34:10
53:17
manageable 70:17
management 3:8 36:23
39:7 40:12 41:5
Marshall 3:20
Martin 4:23 5:13,16,21
6:18 9:24 10:20,24 11:17
12:22 13:3,12,18 14:14,
23 15:4,9,22 17:1,24
19:25 20:25 23:7 24:6,25
25:6,15 26:2,18 27:8,14
28:3,23 29:12 30:3,4
32:17,24 37:16 38:6 44:8,
21 45:2,19 46:3 47:14
48:3 49:5 50:14 51:2,13,
25 52:10 53:6,16 54:14,
19 55:17 56:9 57:6 58:4,
Index: magnitude..nomination
morning 9:15
mildly 18:22
mile 34:22,23,24 35:3
89:16
Martin's 85:2
miles 31:7
millage 71:24
moved 46:18,21
mass 8:23
Milliman 60:2
materials 48:20,21
matter 38:11 54:25
maxed 52:1
maximize 50:2
maximum 87:16
mayor 6:2 26:5 82:18
MBA 6:11
meaning 38:17
meant 78:6,7
median 9:5
minimum 37:11
Minnesota 6:12
16,18,19,23
Medicare 52:9,14,16,20
meet 63:13 82:13,20
83:23
minus 18:4
minutes 4:7,9,13,18,19
28:4
19 84:25 89:24
75:17,18
multimillion 47:8
multiple 81:7
N
national 40:10 42:17
nationally 63:15
nationwide 17:4
necessarily 90:14
needed 45:14
negative 14:25 22:3,11
negotiate 25:10 26:5
36:7 49:9
mismanagement 75:15
nervous 36:15
missing 43:7,15
mixtures 57:16
model 80:23
modern 40:3
75:14
message 28:22
met 18:12 47:19 51:5
75:13 82:12,14,18
metal 29:10,11
43:18
newspaper 29:3
nextdoor 29:12
nice 29:18
metals 28:18
month 20:15
night 40:20
metrics 34:2
Meyers 5:21
nods 25:15
mop 32:10
morale 32:15
noise 53:17
nominated 6:25 7:17
nomination 7:16
54:24 79:18
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non-grant 21:6,7
Northwest 64:10
notable 17:7
note 4:2 60:15
noticed 33:4
notoriety 44:20
November 56:11 86:20
number 9:19 10:6,16
12:12,19 16:3 17:4,6,10,
14 19:11 20:9 22:17
26:10,23 27:10,17 34:5
38:2 45:2,10 49:24 61:10,
15 67:7 69:25 70:9
opposed 90:3
opposition 53:25
option 14:10 36:6 39:16
options 19:15 56:7 57:5
orchestrate 25:24
order 3:4 4:6,21 49:25
organization 38:9 44:16
originally 90:20
outcome 24:14 59:5
outsource 77:5
outsourced 34:17 36:22
45:5
outsourcing 32:25
O
occupancy 9:21 10:4,11
11:16
occupational 49:21
outstanding 19:4
overcompensation
82:7
occurred 20:20
overhaul 64:23
October 73:17
overnight 81:2
overpayments 20:19
61:23,24 63:21
overseeing 33:17
oversight 37:9
overstaffing 14:2 15:14
opening 35:17
operate 63:15
P
packages 52:6
packet 20:3
paid 19:13 21:20,21,23
23:22 33:5,6,8 37:5 56:5
69:9 75:2 79:22 85:4
89:8,10
paragraph 69:14
parcels 30:13
opportunities 54:7,13
period 8:16
person 23:8
41:6,7,8 87:11,12
philosophy 44:15
passes 71:25
phone 28:4
picture 36:14
path 78:17
pictures 78:14
83:16 85:12
pieces 46:9
pioneering 9:13
payback 71:21
PL 8:9
paycheck 74:14
peaks 45:8
online 30:19
penalty 22:21
owed 56:1
offsets 20:9,12
Index: non-grant..position
82:11 90:23
platoon 9:14
play 26:6
playing 43:10
plumbers 33:16
point 9:7 14:25 19:18
21:10 22:19 59:20 63:9
68:6,17 74:25
points 62:22
percentages 11:9
portfolio 27:21
PERF 20:11
portion 4:22
perilous 46:19
position 57:4
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positive 59:3,5
possibility 43:18 68:12
possibly 86:14,15
post 72:22
posted 4:4
potential 24:12 43:16
49:3,5
potentially 12:20
86:5,12 90:11,16
poverty 65:15,17
product 61:23,24
powers 40:8
productivity 32:7
practically 63:18
prayer 50:20
precarious 60:19
75:25 76:1
programs 59:11,13
63:21
project 38:22
preschool 12:9
presence 68:22
64:19
present 65:19
promise 75:6
properly 42:13
8:4
presenting 86:2
preserving 46:24 47:20
Index: positive..remembered
push 24:3
recall 59:21
58:7
pushing 39:8
put 21:21 35:21 36:12
56:12 57:4 59:15 77:15,
21,24 87:5 89:2
Q
qualification 60:14
quality 19:20 63:22
recommendation 83:23
87:11,12
quasi 6:22
recommended 88:22
reconcile 55:21
quick 18:14
quote 43:23
properties 42:21
property 23:16 29:13,16
78:8
reconciliation 20:22
records 18:16 19:21 86:8
Recovery 21:13
reduce 25:12 50:19
reduced 35:12,14
reduction 14:21 36:7
50:16
president 7:4,10
proposal 46:2
rainy 50:13
reelected 7:12
presidential 7:21
propose 22:25
ran 23:24
reelection 7:10
Randolph 12:14
reemergence 68:19
Provider 6:21
reference 19:19
providers 44:3
referendum 71:12,24
72:16,19 82:17
region 62:25
preventative 31:11
regulations 38:7
prevented 31:1
reimbursable 49:23
reach 78:18
reimbursement 6:21
preventive 30:17
previous 50:17 60:13
78:10
previously 83:19
prices 36:8
pricing 35:24
Pruitt's 75:8
public 5:20 6:6,10 13:5
49:19
reactive 42:17
ready 54:19
16
realizing 70:3
primarily 19:1
purpose 19:8
principal 16:18
principals 14:6
89:2
ream 17:18
reason 22:4 66:15 73:19
76:4
prior 16:7
pursue 64:14
pro 78:16
pursuing 50:23
21 78:11
Relative 90:7
Relief 61:17
relieve 38:4
religiously 85:7
reasonable 24:2
reasoning 13:9
remembered 40:19
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Index: remembers..settlements
remembers 40:19
Review 6:21
Sanitation 26:3
scrap 29:11
renewal 36:7
scrappers 29:20
RFI 53:16
saved 35:15
RFID 43:2
repair 32:19
RFP 48:19,25
Rick 5:25
screams 21:24
screen 9:10 40:18
scrutinized 37:12
secretary 6:19 7:1
scarcity 74:15
repay 71:20
right-size 61:10
scattered 9:1
ripped 29:6
scenario 86:18
Selective 7:6,8
Roberts 4:21
sell 40:24
25 89:6
replacements 31:24
Rocka 36:17
scheduled 90:13
scheduling 42:9
17
reporting 41:8
reports 48:14
represent 3:19
30:8 54:16
request 83:20
rope 43:10
rough 33:13
require 90:15
round 69:12
route 35:10
requirement 90:21
requirements 88:22
15,16,18 40:14
routine 21:24
residents 9:9
ruined 75:22
rule 52:24
respect 69:22
Rules 4:21
48:14
restoration 47:10,12
restructuring 5:23
result 45:12 59:21
64:14
runs 40:5
Ryan 3:18
retire 52:2,4
retreat 56:10 62:6
return 69:6
revealed 19:8
revenue 16:19 17:15,16,
23 18:12 21:16 22:17
24:1 37:16 43:7,16 48:3,
6,8,16 49:3,15 57:1,25
61:3,5 67:6
reverse 9:17
schoolteachers 80:2
Schrupp 5:17 6:8 9:23
send 70:16
seniority 79:20
sense 12:12,19 58:25
83:2
separately 90:14
September 22:22
sequence 81:24
serve 3:9,18 83:17
servers 40:4 43:21
service 7:7,8 18:1 19:12
20:10,14 21:12 22:17
24:1,3 25:3 36:22,25
37:14,21,24 38:3,17
45:16 55:1 71:8 74:23
89:1,3,9,11,14
sample 55:23
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October 22, 2015
13
shape 24:15
shard 16:21
sold 40:25
sole 7:16
11,24 55:15
shed 62:18
shedding 67:3
shift 38:2
shifting 52:9
shortly 53:14
show 4:19 15:3 21:22
77:10 90:24
shown 13:22
shows 15:18 19:6 67:2
shrink 79:22
solves 67:12
somebody's 43:11
someplace 11:20,24
12:1
sophistication 62:9
sort 7:3 25:24 32:16
34:12 37:7 54:12 58:17
70:1 83:6
shrinkage 34:12
specialist 4:24
specific 89:12
32:14 79:4
sick 70:1
Side 32:3 57:12
significant 8:20 13:22
24:24 25:14 64:24
single 60:10
specifically 56:22
speech 49:21
spending 30:24 31:11
34:3
sizes 70:12,16,17
skipping 31:4
slide 12:3 13:18 14:19
15:2,3,4 20:1 27:8 30:3
33:12 60:8
statements 90:15
states 17:10
statewide 64:18
statute 87:15,18,21
superintendent 8:8
89:21
superior 61:23
stay 11:19
supplied 43:1
Steel 69:2
supplies 49:14
stolen 47:8
story 47:7
sustainability 82:4
stretching 77:1
starters 85:19
starting 21:9 69:23
76:13,17,25
stories 47:3
stretch 85:17
standard 89:1
supposed 58:15
St 3:20
standalone 88:20
store 47:1
stressed 9:25
83:15
40:8 45:19
statutes 90:18
square 30:10
size 70:15
summarizes 20:5
streams 81:7
sites 30:14
statement 60:10
78:22
suggests 12:24
stream 78:7
spent 7:18
single-page 71:18
Index: shape..talking
strike 68:12
structure 18:24 19:7
83:19
studies 17:4
study 9:14 17:12 39:12
stuff 48:22
subject 44:19
submissions 48:11
submitting 48:13
suburban 60:25
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tag 42:21,25
takes 17:17 42:8
taking 15:13 25:23 39:24
54:12 55:15 68:10
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October 22, 2015
14
82:1 83:5
talks 60:16,17
Index: talks..Vincent
threatens 21:25
transitioning 76:6
three-quarter 34:21
unsafe 30:2
three-quarters 34:23
three-week 64:23
transported 34:19
unused 70:1
task 66:12
treasurer 44:10
urban 61:6
treat 30:21
urgency 83:4
treatment 30:23
trench 24:7
TRF 20:10
utilize 45:13
utilizing 18:17
tasks 38:24
tax 23:7 49:7 78:8
taxes 23:8 78:8
teacher 76:23
teachers 16:4 51:10,22
52:1 61:15 69:11,17,19
73:14 74:15
36:4
thumb 52:24
tied 64:18
tight 31:2 35:24
tighten 50:11
tightly 37:12
time 7:18 8:9 9:13 17:13,
17 20:12 26:20 33:10
35:22 40:6,7 42:4,14
45:14 68:7 77:7 78:2
80:25
timeframe 25:25
unsustainable 82:7
troubles 13:18
vacancy 28:20
turnaround 62:11,12
68:23
times 59:6
turned 7:4
tenure 65:7
tiny 32:18
turning 35:5
valuable 46:15
tired 58:21
values 29:13,16
types 55:9,14
variables 83:11
venders 26:10
87:10,14
theft 28:17
therapy 49:21
thing 4:1 8:11 33:4 54:4
58:19 61:6 62:2 63:24
64:5 66:21 70:1 71:1
75:16 76:3 77:13 80:13
88:17
47:17
topic 66:22
total 12:7,12,19 20:4,8,
13,15 48:4 84:12
totally 62:14
touch 76:2
tough 58:19 78:20
underlying 82:5,6
vet 83:14
understanding 14:5
37:18 81:14
viability 60:8,17
vicious 61:2
Township 65:15
unheard 79:17
union 53:21
75:10,12,19 77:11
tracking 35:17
training 9:16
51:18
view 80:9
unfinished 6:11
trade 9:16
thoughts 56:8
town 12:1
thinks 45:19
75:11 76:16 79:6 88:18
52:21 53:12
valleys 45:8
trajectory 56:18
transfer 53:10 58:6
60:25
transferred 6:13
Unlike 63:18
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81:4 83:18 84:3 85:5,10,
12 86:4,16,24 87:14,17,
23 88:13 89:16,22,25
90:3 91:1
Index: visit..zone
visit 82:19
wondering 53:23
vouchers 12:17
wait 26:1
walked 78:24
walking 35:3 75:7
wall 78:14
walls 46:16 75:21
wanted 7:22 66:21 67:19
78:22 81:12
79:22
works 32:9
worried 73:16
wanting 66:18
war 7:7,13
worth 47:8
warehouse 46:18,20
written 85:23
warehouses 48:22
wrong 27:18
WASP 43:1
water 30:20,21 75:21
Watson 58:13
Wayne 6:11 68:20
ways 36:5 65:2 69:8
wean 17:17
website 67:22
Wednesday 83:23
weeks 33:7 45:10 69:25
75:7
welfare 23:10
Wert 57:14 75:21 76:1
West 32:3 57:11
Y
year 7:17 11:10,15 14:22
16:5 30:16 31:20 34:16,
18 35:7,10,16,20 39:19,
22,25 42:7 49:17 51:5
70:3 72:16 79:15,16
84:10
year's 90:15
years 6:14 11:6,8,14 14:5
15:24 16:7 27:5 30:23
36:9 40:7 41:15 45:17
53:1 58:11,12 67:3 71:22
72:2,4,5,9 76:8 80:13
87:15
yesterday 46:21
wide 29:4,7
Z
zone 34:20,22 35:2
wild 55:20
willingness 64:12
willy-nilly 59:4
window 29:9,10 69:17
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