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ANCIENT INDIA
Ancient Indians were the first who invented zero and decimal place value system during Rigvedic
period. The scientific naming system of numerals in Vedic Sanskrit indicates that decimal place
value system was well established. The compounded words for numerals like Ekadasa
(Eka+dasa) = one and ten, Ekavimshati (Eka+vimshati) = one and twenty, Ekatrimshat (Eka +
trimshat) = one and thirty etc. indicate that Eka will be always the first word and Dasa will be
always second word which implies the position of a number is most important since the symbol of
unit & the symbol of ten cannot interchange their positions without affecting the value of the
numbers. Thus units must be counted first later tens and so on. The use of large numbers up to
10^12 considering the powers of 10 in Yajurveda was also not possible without having the
knowledge of place value system and zero.
Ramayana gives the counting of large numbers from 10 to the power of 7 to 10 to the power of
62.
Koti = 100000 x 100 = 10^7
Shanku = Koti x 1000 x 100 = 10^12
Mahashanku = Shanku x 1000 x 100 = 10^17
Vrinda = Mahashanku x 1000 x 100 = 10^22
Mahavrinda = Vrinda x 1000 x 100 = 10^27
Padma = Mahavrinda x 1000 x 100 = 10^32
Mahapadma = Padma x 1000 x100 = 10^37
Kharva = Mahapadma x 1000 x 100 = 10^42
Mahakharva = Kharva x 1000 x 100 = 10^47
Samudra = Mahakharva x 1000 x 100 = 10^52
Mogha = Samudra x 1000 x 100 = 10^57
Mahaugha = Mogha x 1000 x100 = 10^62
Mahabharata also used large numbers up to 10^52.
Lalitavistara is a biography of Buddha and belong to Mahayana school of Buddhism written
around 100 AD. Lalitavistara gives the evidence of use of infinitely large and small numbers.
According to the story of Lalitavistara, A svayamvara (competition for marriage) was organized
for Princess Gopa in which Prince Siddhrtha participated. Apart from other competitions like
horse riding, archery etc., Siddhartha had to undergo the test of mathematics.
Arjuna a great mathematician asked Siddhartha "Do you know the procedure of Kotishatottara
(counting after hundred crores)". Explaining the procedure of Kotishatottara,Siddhartha counted
large numbers starting from Koti (10^7), calculating in multiples of 100 up to Tallakshana (10^53)
referring as first numeration.
Koti x 100 = Ayuta (10^9)
Ayuta x 100 = Niyuta (10^11)
Niyuta x 100 = Kankara (10^13)
Kankara x 100 = Vivara (10^15)
Vivara x 100 = Akshobhya (10^17)
Akshobhya x 100 = Vivaha (10^19)
Vivaha x 100 = Utsanga (10^21)
thousand crore worlds in the universe each measuring 34000 yojanas. The question arises how
many atoms are there in the universe. Siddhartha replied that there are Asamkhyata
(innumerable) atoms in the universe. When 7 paramanus combine each other then only
paramanus occupy space but there are innumerable paramanus in the world do not combine
each other, thus, do not occupy space. Therefore, in view of Siddhartha, paramanus in the
universe are innumerable. In the modern theory of quantum-mechanics, quarks enter into
existence and disappear all the time in the vacuum. Therefore the quantum information is not
fixed or innumerable.
What a glorious heritage!!!! Lalitavistara was translated into Chinese during 2nd century.
Therefore, Lalitavistara cannot be dated later than 1st century. Possibly, it might have written few
hundreds years before 2nd century.
Unfortunately, Modern textbooks teach us that Aryabhata invented zero in 5th century and
Indians had no knowledge of zero and place value system before 5th century. Interestingly, one
grant of Katachchuri king Taralswami is dated in the year 346 and the year is recorded in decimal
place value notation. Historians declared this grant as forgery because Indians had no
knowledge of plave value system before 5th century. Shame on these historians.
Evidently, Indians had the knowledge of zero and place value system since Vedic period. Racist
western and Eurocentric scholars do not accept this fact. Therefore, we teach our children that
Indians had no knowledge of Zero and place value system before 5th century.
WE LOOK FOR A CERTIFICATE FROM WEST. (Mera Muajjim hi mera katil hai ab anjame insaaf
kya hoga!!!!)
SHAME ON US !!!! WE ARE "NALAYAK" DESCENDANTS OF A GLORIOUS HERITAGE.
Pranshu saxena
and that was used to denote that Mahabharat was 3100 BC. Clearly Aryabhatta is describing
something else which occured 360 years ago.
Actually, another interpretation is that he is describing the Yugic cycle as a day or week and then
what part has elapsed.
Anyway, the change of Shadbhi to shasti is arbitrary. It makes the calculation 3600 instead of
360.
Aryabhattas birth time was fixed as 476 A.D so 360 years back was 116 AD which was also a
Date for a great upheaval in Mathura from Numismatic and other evidence. the overthrow of
Kanishka most likely and establishment of Vaishanava kushana kings.
(The story of Vrishni overthrow of Kamsa may have been repeated by overthrow of similar
sounding Kanishka by Soorsainis, Yaudheyas, Malavas and Arjunayanas. Last three claiming
descent from three Kaunteyas.)
Since in every genuine manuscript (from a point of view, well the critical edition), we find the word
Shadbhi and not the altered Shasti.
Aryabhatta is describing an event 360 years earlier to him.
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Actually the extreme daters use circular logic.
They state that as Kaliuga started 3102 BC then Aryabhataa was ancient mathematician in 2742
BC!!
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On one end they state that Mahabharata was 3100 BC on evidence of Aryabhata and when that
evidence is overturned, they make this claim.
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They are tied to this 3102 BC date without any evidence and thus, try to make all the evidence
conform to it and when that is overturned, they overturn the history.
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The Puranas and Kharavela inscriptions all give 1050 (or 1015 years Sanskrit is read left to right
or right to left) as gap between Mahapadma Nanda and Parikshita.
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This textual evidence backed by 9th cen BC Vrishni Sangh coins depicting Vasudeva ties us to
lower dates. I am not saying that is hard and fast. The evidence for 1400 BC date is more and is
in logical sequence.
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The Extreme daters make 3102 BC as Kaliyuga and then place Mauryas in 2000 BC.
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The connection of Mauryas and especially Asoka to the Greek states in Central Asia is attested
with Epigraph evidence. Disconnecting them subverts the entire world history on its head.
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Even if extreme daters are right, they do not create a conclusive argument around the rest of
history like Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan and others like Chatursena and Sanskritayana using the 1450
BC date.
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The extreme daters even try to move Buddha by 1200 years. Which is again possible.
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The Sramana sects that were later co-opted by followers of Buddha (and Mahavira) may be
extant centuries before under different names.
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There is no maybe!
Mahabharata describes them in Vana parva in Yudhishthara's retinue.
Like Jains have 24 Teerthankars, some Buddha sects especially sarvasti-vada has multiple
Buddhas also and that is the basis of Jatakas.
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But tying one of Bodhisatvas born 1200 years prior to Buddha to Asoka (epigraphic evidence
again would make Alexander older than Moses for extreme daters!).
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Extreme daters fail the test of world history. Unless Mahabharat occured on another planet which
is possible!! Never close any avenue or option till conclusively closed.
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Another popular involuntary co-conspirator of Extreme daters is Varaha Mihira.
Again i do need to emphasize two things. Mihira was from west and probably even of persian/
central asian origin
(having said that Indian culture flourished there in those regions even till 800 AD and even later
so Mihira could still be as Indian as Chandragupta II, the ancestors of Hemu of Panipata fame
lived in Ghor province of Afghanistan till 1200 AD! and Bhargavas were family priest for Suri
royals of Ghor hundreds of year before Panipata!).
Mihira was a member of Gupta inner circle.
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He was even awarded the highest honor equivalent of Bharat Ratna of the day, Varaha
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hence Varaha Mihira.
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Varaha Mihira stated that 2526 years before start of Saka count (either Shalivahana saka starting
There are others that have low obscurity for solar eclipse, or have dominant penumbral lunar
eclipse content and hence do not constitute strong candidates for the Mahabharata war.
The dating is in Julian and uses 4704 BC as Julian Year.
(This was first done in 1990s and the results presented in Julian dates. )
The dates of this eclipse pair are Julian 3129 and Julian month of August.
In ancient Bharata, since the full moon occurred on Proshtapada, the month would be considered
as Bhadrapada. Normally, this is the monsoon rainy season in North India.
The epic states that drought like conditions existed.
So 3129 BC date loses out.
Imagine a bad monsoon. The Julian date of 3129 BCJ could be read as 4704 -3129 BC aka 1575
BC. This was one of initial arguments on the date also by Later Daters!
The 2559 BC period is problematic as in reality there was an extra eclipse in the period which
would have been caught by the Poet of Mahabharata. three eclipses rather than 2!
The third candidate is eclipse pair from 2056 BCJ. It occurs in Margashira/pushya months, the
eclipse occurring when moon is between Punarvasu/pushya nakshathra, and would be right in
the middle of war.
But because now we are in 2056 BC already, most "biased" Indian researchers do not even look
at this and this matches one of Varahamihira dates.
4th and 5th occur near or after Uttaarayan! And 1708 BC date is also one of matches for
VarahaMihira date.
The last candidate of eclipse pair occurs in 1397 in the month of Bhadrapada. It is a reasonably
good candidate for Mahabharata war.
The "biased" indian researchers than move away.
By the way the 1397 BC may be 1457 BC in the calculations. (the 60 year cycle float for
recording the Mesopotamia eclipses).
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And the 1450 BC date is backed by other evidences as well. That is also what Chatursena and
Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan and RC Majumdar and Bhandarkar (well his successors) concluded.
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Ethnically, i would like to go to 2056 BC date as well. That will place Mahabharata writing as
same period as Mesopotamian Temple texts and Egyptian papyrus scrolls. But, see other
evidences are all for later 1500 BC to 1177 BC dates.
The dates like 1708 BC and 2056 BC are not even researched by the Extreme daters. and Later
daters ignore them.
Now we do have Mesopotamian temple steles telling story of Pururava and Urvashi in 3000 BC
circa. (inscription, stories and steles published by Banarasidass Motilal in 1971)
So 3102 BC may be actual important date in our history maybe the date for Yayati or Pururava!
The Indian civilization began with Vaivasta Manu and his son Ikshvaku and his son-in-law Budha
founding the Surya Vamsha and Chandra Vamsha and the 3102 BC can be the date for that
event. the foundation of kingly authority.
Textual evidence
The Puranas gave two dates for the event of Mahabharat - 950BC or 1452B according to KP
Jaiswal Institute.
Jains note 920 years elapsed between Krishna and Mahavira again pushing the date to 1448 BC
as lower value.
So the evidence is in favor of lower dates not lower than 1377 BC though Aurobindo even pushed
it lower to 1194 BC as well.
We have probable outliers of 1700 BC also from some other epigraph or textual evidences.
The mass of evidence however you may term it puts the date in float 1700 to 1194 BC and that
points to 1450 BC as a median date (may not be actual date there would be float. we are using
statistics and standard deviation here.)
As i said, the 2000 BC date is ignored by extreme daters who stick to 3102 bc!
Also we have another evidence from an inscription in Jaisalmer which states some 3000 years
elapsed since Yudhishthara.
That Lodorva inscription may be as old as 10th century to 1474 AD because that piece of Rock
on the mountain was used again and again to record events.
The place in question was contested by several Rajput groups over a period of 700 years!
The reading may be contaminated by fact that yamadwara or land of dharma was also name for
province now called Kandhara and southern Afghanistan (and Helmand was called Sarasvati at
one point) and several of these Rajput groups Langahs and Bhattis ruled there in previous time.
so the inscription may mean the time elapsed since leaving the old home.
Ashoka
4. Kalhana confirms that Kashmir king Ashoka was the patron of Buddhism.
5. Ancient Buddhist sources tell us that Ashoka was coronated after 100 years from nirvana of Buddha.
6. As per my knowledge, Buddhist sources did not mention about Ashokas Mauryan connection or
Magadha connection.
7. Based on the above, the chronology can be derived as follows:
The birth of Buddha 2214-2213 BCE
The nirvana of Buddha 2134-2133 BCE
Ashoka 2034-2000 BCE
Jaloka-2000-1990 BCE
Damodara II 1990-1984 BCE
Hushka-1984-1960 BCE
Jushka -1960-1950 BCE
Kanishka 1950-1910 BCe
Abhimanyu- 1910-1881 BCE
The coronation of Gonanda III 1881 BCE
In view of the above, it appears that the great emperor Ashoka was the Kashmir king and not Maurya king.
Why not we attempt some scientific dating of rock edicts, pillars of Ashoka to settle an accurate date and
find the real Ashoka? Whether Cosmogenic Radionuclide Dating can be accurate?
Narayan Pandit