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DoesreallyreciteLord'sname/sgiveMokshainKaliyuga?
Namasteall.
IamaSrivaishnavaofSrisampradaya.
AssuchIconsiderprapattitheonlywaytoobtainMoksha.
So,I'dliketoknowyouropinionsabouttheinterprationofthefollowingthings.
InSrimadBhagavataPurana,Canto12,chapter3,itiswrote:
(51)IntheoceanoffaultsthatisKaliyuga,thereisluckilyonegreatgoodquality:justbychantingabout
Krishna[seebhajans]canone,liberatedfromthematerialbondage,gotothekingdomofheaven[seealso
bhgavatadharmaandkrtana].(52)ThesameresultinSatyayugaachievedbymeditatingonVishnu,in
TretyugabyworshipingwithsacrificesandinDvparayugabyservingthelotusfeet[ofHimasaKing],
isinKaliyugaachievedbysingingabouttheLord[seealso11.5:3840].
Iusedtheversionathttp://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto12/chapter3.html
InordertoquoteSriVishnuPurana,Book6,Chapter2Iwilluseversionathttp://www.sacred
texts.com/hin/vp/vp157.htm
UPONthissubject,Maitreya,youshallhearwhatthewiseVysahasrelated,asitiscommunicatedtruly
byme.
Itwasonceamatterofdisputeamongstthesages,atwhatseasontheleastmoralmeritobtainedthe
greatestreward,andbywhomitwasmosteasilydisplayed.Inordertoterminatethediscussion,they
wenttoVedaVysatoremovetheirdoubts.TheyfoundtheillustriousMuni,myson,halfimmersedinthe
wateroftheGangesandawaitingthecloseofhisablutions,thesagesremainedonthebanksofthe
sacredstream,undershelterofagroveoftrees.Asmysonplungeddownintothewater,andagainroseup
fromit,theMunisheardhimexclaim,"Excellent,excellent,istheKaliage!"Againhedived,andagain
rising,saidintheirhearing,"Welldone,welldonedrathouarthappy!"Againhesankdown,andashe
oncemoreemergedtheyheardhimsay,"Welldone,welldone,womentheyarehappy!whoaremore
fortunatethanthey?"Afterthis,mysonfinishedhisbathing,andthesagesmethimasheapproachedto
welcomethem.Afterhehadgiventhemseats,andtheyhadprofferedtheirrespects,thesonofSatyavat
saidtothem,"Onwhataccounthaveyoucometome?"Theyreplied,"Wecametoyoutoconsultyouona
subjectonwhichweentertainsomedoubtbutthatmaybeatpresentsuspended:explaintoussomething
else.Weheardyousay,'ExcellentistheKaliage!Welldone,dra!Welldone,women!'Nowweare
desiroustoknowwhythiswassaid,whyyoucalledthemrepeatedly,happy.Tellusthemeaningofit,ifit
benotamystery.Wewillthenproposetoyouthequestionthatoccupiesourthoughts."
BeingthusaddressedbytheMunis,Vysasmiled,andsaidtothem,"Hear,excellentsages,whyIuttered
thewords'Welldone,welldone.'Thefruitofpenance,ofcontinence,ofsilentprayer,andthelike,
practisedintheKritaagefortenyears,intheTretaforoneyear,intheDwparaforamonth,isobtainedin
theKaliageinadayandnight:thereforedidIexclaim,'Excellent,excellent,istheKaliage!'That

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rewardwhichamanobtainsintheKritabyabstractmeditation,intheTretabysacrifice,intheDwpara
byadoration,hereceivesintheKalibymerelyrecitingthenameofKeava.IntheKaliageamandisplays
themostexaltedvirtuebyverylittleexertiontherefore,pioussages,whoknowwhatvirtueis,Iwas
pleasedwiththeKaliage.
Poonthanam(PoonthanamisnothisnamebutthenameoftheNamboodirifamilyhebelongedto..Hisnameseems
tohavebeenforgotteninantiquity),inhisworkJnanaPana(PotofKnowledge),says:

27.PleasedorememberthatthislandofBharatha,
Isthemostsacredlandknown,
AndinthevasttimeperiodsthisKalitimeperiod,
Leadstosalvationmosteasily.
28.Pleaseknowthatthereisnoeffort,
Exceptsingingfortheholynames,
Krishna,Krishna,MukundaJanardhana,
Krishna,GovindaandRama.
29.Thinkingaboutthis,
Thoselivingintheotherthirteenworlds,
Thoselivinginthesixotherislands,
Thoselivingintheothereightcountries,
Andthoselivingintheotherthreetimeperiods,
Realizingthattheywouldnotgetsalvationeasily.
Withfoldedhandsdosalutations,
TotheCountryofBhrathaandthetimeperiodofKali.
30.Tobeatleastagrassinthatcountry,
Andbebornnowinthistimeperiod,
Wewerenotluckyenoughoh,God,
Andsooursalutationstothemen,
OfBharathacountryandKalitimeperiod.
31.Whydowetellthat,
Allthosewhoarenothere,singourpraisethus?
IsnotthisthetimeperiodKali,
ArewenotlivinginthecountryofBharatha,
Andarewenotbornashumanbeings?
Allofyoupleasethinkaboutthis,
ShouldwegowithoutthenamesofHari,
Shouldwebelessafraidofgoingtohell,
Shouldwelivewithoutatongue?
Alas!Alas!withoutproperthought,
Wedestroyourlivesinvain.
...
35.Inthebodywhichislikeawaterbubble,
Weseeitfilledupalways,
Andwhenweputeffortswithoutthought,
Wecantellthatthisbubblewillonlyburst.
Inthisverylimitedtime,
Wedonotsingtheholynames.
...
47.Whywasallthesespecialthingstold,
Allofyouthinkasmuchaspossible,
AboutthelargenessofKarmadone,
Abouthowwehavetakenmanybirthsalready,
AbouthowthepresentistheKalitimeperiod,
AboutthelargenessofthecountryofBharatha,
Abouthowallthesedayswewerebornthere,
Abouthowallthepastperiodwasspentwithoutmeaning,
Abouthowwedonothavemuchlifespanleft,
Abouthowwewerehealthyallalong,
AndhowbysingingofholynamesofGod,
Allfortuneswouldcomeabout,
Abouthowthefearoffuturehell,
Hastobethoughtabouttoday..
48.Whyareyouwastingtimeunnecessarily,
AllofyoupleasegotoVaikunta*.
...
56.Alwayswithoutattachmentandalways,
WithextremedevotionweshouldchantthenamesofGod
Tillthelifespanallottedtousisover,
Andlikethisallofusshouldlive.
Weshouldpraiseallthebeingsthatwesee,
Leavingthesenseofshame.
Filledwithtearsofjoy,

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Andleavingoutinsultsheaped,
Weshouldfallatthefeet,
Whenweseeholypeoplearound.
Andthendrowninginthesenseofdevotion,
Likeadrunkardweshoulddance.
Ifwetravelinthisworldthus,
Allproblemswouldrunawayfromus.
...
59.Whenwanderingafterdesireshaveleft,
Thinkingthatwearenotyetreadyforsalvation,
Pleasedonotdevelopselfpity,
AndhearthegreatnessofGodsholyname.
Evenifonebelongstothelowestcaste,
OralearnedhighercastewhoisexpertinVedas,
Exceptthosewhoarebornwithouttongue,
Andwhoaremadedumbbynature,
OutoftheuncountableholynamesofGod,
Atleastone,onceinanyoneday,
Atleastwhenarehappyandcontended,
Oratleastindreamswithoutourcontrol,
OratleastteasingHimassomeother,
Oratleastforthesakeofsomeoneelse,
Whereverweare,
Ifwetellwithourtongue,
Oratleastifelse,
Hearthenamewithourear,
Wewillgetsalvationthenandthere,
AndwouldbecomeonewithGod,
AndsosaySreedhara*thegreatscholar,
AndsageVyasa**whowrotethepuranas.
60.EvenBagavadGeethasaysthesame,
AndalsososaytheVedaswithrespect.
61.SosingGodsholynameseasily
AndwithjoybecomeonewithGod.
62.Forthoseaimingatsalvationthisbookissufficient,
ForitsingsaboutgreatnessofGodsholynames.
Witherrorsorwithouterrors.
Pleasegrantmeyourgrace,OhmyGod!

IfyouwantreadthefullJnanaPana,pleasereadhttp://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/eboo...ana%20Pana.doc

IaspiretobetheservantoftheservantofLordKrishna

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15April2006, 02:33PM
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TheimportanceofchantingandrecitingLord'snamesisfoundeveninMukundaMala,aworkcomposedbyaprince
oftheCheradynastycalledKulashekaraAzhwar(CalledKulashekaraperumalinKerala)Hewasalsocalled
MudaliyandanNambi.Hewasoneofthe12sagesoftheBhakthicultofVaishnavismcalledAzhwars(oralvars).
Athttp://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/eboo...nda%20mala.docyoumayreadthefullMukundaMala.
Myquestionis:shouldItakeliterallythepuranicdoctrinthatinKaliyugaonemaysobtainMokshajustbyreciting
Lord'snames?
Regards,
Orlando.

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Startchantingwithahopeofmoksha.godwillguideuinfuture

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OriginallyPostedbyBhaktaofGod

TheimportanceofchantingandrecitingLord'snamesisfoundeveninMukundaMala,aworkcomposedbyaprinceofthe
CheradynastycalledKulashekaraAzhwar(CalledKulashekaraperumalinKerala)HewasalsocalledMudaliyandan
Nambi.Hewasoneofthe12sagesoftheBhakthicultofVaishnavismcalledAzhwars(oralvars).
Athttp://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/eboo...nda%20mala.docyoumayreadthefullMukundaMala.
Myquestionis:shouldItakeliterallythepuranicdoctrinthatinKaliyugaonemaysobtainMokshajustbyrecitingLord's
names?
Regards,
Orlando.

Theanswerisnoforavaishnavinstrictsense.
TheguidelinegivenbySrimadBhaagavatmahapuranarelatestobhaktiyoga,inwhich,wetrust,evensageVyasa
isyettoreachgod.
Theideaissimple.
BhaktiyogatakestimetogivemokshaandthosewhoarestrongenoughtoendurethepainlikeVyasaMaharishi,
VashistaMaharishicangoforit.Forthosewhoarenotthatstrongenough,lordhasofferedaneasiestmethod
calledCharanaagati.Surrenderintoto,andthiswillleadyoutoMoksha.
However,charanaagatidoesnotdispensewithnamajapa,fornamajapaisdonenotwithaimofmokshaforitis
alreadyguaranteed,itisdoneforbhaghavatpreeti.
bhagawaaneva....swayamevakaarithavaandepictsthisverywell

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DearRamkish42,thanksforyourreply.PleasenotethatIdonotknowsankrit.
SoIamnotabletounderstandtotallyyourpost.
PleasecouldyoutranslateCharanaagati,bhaghavatpreetiandbhagawaaneva....swayamevakaarithavaan.
Regards,
Orlando.

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Charanaagati,surrendertogodintotothisisexplainedingitaasaslokapopularlyknownascharamasloka.(I
justthoughtofgivingtheslokahere,butitisinmysignature)
bhaghavatpreetiforthehappinessoflord.Lordisalwayshappythisishisactualstatus.butthisphrasetalks
aboutlordishappyforwhatwedidthisisspecifictodutyassignedtoaparticularsoul.Whenasoul,doesits
dutywithoutlikingthefruitsthereof,godishappyforthatsoulandwillbestowhisblessingsonit,sothatthatsoul
getwisdomandthusreacheternity
bhagawaaneva....swayamevakaarithavaanthisisanotherversionofKRISHNAARPANAMallsubmittedtogod.
Asyouindicatedsomewherethatyouarevaishnavite,Ireferredtothisforthisacknowledgesthattheactivity
(started/completedafteraduevow)isdonebythelordhimselfthroughmeforhishappiness(thusItakenothing
asresultandallshallreachhim)
Dobuzzmeifstillthesearetroublesome

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OriginallyPostedbyBhaktaofGod

DearRamkish42,thanksforyourreply.PleasenotethatIdonotknowsankrit.
SoIamnotabletounderstandtotallyyourpost.
PleasecouldyoutranslateCharanaagati,bhaghavatpreetiandbhagawaaneva....swayamevakaarithavaan.
Regards,
Orlando.

Bytheway,MayIknowwhatisyourmothertongueandwhatotherlanguagesyouarefamiliarwith.Thismight
helpmeinfuture

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Mymothertongueisitalianlanguage.IamfamiliarwithEnglish.
Iknowonlyafewwordsofsankrit.

IaspiretobetheservantoftheservantofLordKrishna

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OriginallyPostedbyBhaktaofGod

Mymothertongueisitalianlanguage.IamfamiliarwithEnglish.
Iknowonlyafewwordsofsankrit.

Nice.IknowIndiahasitalianconnectionalready,nowyouaddanotherthreadtoit.

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RequestyoutousetheSanskritinsteadofSankrit.ThewordSanskritmeanstradtionalmethodofcommunication

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OriginallyPostedbyramkish42

Nice.IknowIndiahasitalianconnectionalready,nowyouaddanotherthreadtoit.

Lol....butweshouldnotmockorlandoforourmisfortune.

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