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Wouldyouallowweldedsplice(bothflangesandweb)atthe
Whetherwewouldpermitsuchaconnectionconfigurationwoulddepend
samelocation(PJP)(splicingisdonewithoutoffsettingfor
onthemagnitudeoftheload,sizeofthememberandsizeofthePJPweld.
fabricatonease,fitupandsimplicity)?
connections
AISCdoesnothaveanyprohibitionsagainstthespecificationofdouble
Isitpermissibletospecifydoublenutsforhighstrengthbolts
nuts.However,theavailablethreadlengthonstructuralfastenersis
fordyanamicloadapplicationns(crane,machinery)?Thisisto
typicallylessthanthethicknessof2heavyhexnuts.Thismaybea
ensurethatboltsdonotgetloosened.
considerationwhenselectingnuts.
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Oneboltsizeisusuallyusedforthemajorityofconnections.(Most
fabricatorsuseeither3/4"or7/8"diameterboltsastheirstandardbolt.)A
Howdoesmultipleboltsizesimproveeconomyversususing
secondboltsize(atleasttwosizeslargertoavoidmixupinthefield)is
onlyonesizeboltfortheprimaryconnections?Doesthis
oftenusedforconnectionswithveryheavyreactions.Bottomline:Allow
applyfor1,2or3storybuildings?
thefabricatortoselectthebolttypeandsizethattheyfindtobemost
economical.
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Doespretensionmeanssnugtight?
No.Snugtightisthebasicinstallationmethodforconnectionsusinghigh
strengthbolts.Pretensioningofboltsisrequiredforconnectionsspecified
aspretensionsedorslipcritical.RCSCSpecificationSections4.2and4.3list
applicationsthatrequirepretensionedandslipcriticalconnections,
respectively.AISCSpecificationSectionJ1.10listsapplicationswhere
pretensionedconnectionsarerequired.
connections
Wherearetheminimumgagerequirementsgivenbasedon
boltsizes?
WorkablegageforWshapesislistedinAISCManualTable11andthose
foranglesarelistedinTable17a.
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Doyousuggesttouseanyparticularsoftwaretodesignthe
connections?
Weprimarilyusespreadsheetswritteninhouseforconnectiondesign.
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Iftheboltsarepretensioned(asisrequiredbyAISC36010forbuildings
Tip#8Iseetheuseofsnugtightshortslottedholesmore
tallerthan125')thenyouwillgetsomeslipresistanceparalleltotheslot
andmore.Idon'tlikeitfromthefactthatyoudon'tgeta
whichwillhelpthebeamsbracethecolumns.Thefloorslabaswellas
minimumamountofaxialcapacityoutoftheconnectionand
membersframingperpendiculartothedirectionofcolumnbucklingwill
possiblyarenotbracingthecolumnoutofplane.Agree?
alsohelpbracethecolumns.
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(SSL)
Onslides1820,tip#5forSSLholes,boltsmusthavetobe
pretensionnedandonpage23,tip#8,itispossibletouse
snugtight.Whatisthediffeencebetweenthe2notations?
AISC36010,SectionJ1.10specifiessituationswherepretensionedbolts
MUSTbeused.RCSCSections4.2and4.3addressesjointsthatare
requiredtobePTorSC.Theintentoftip#5wastoillustratethatbearing
boltshearstrengthvaluescanusuallybeusedwhenSSLholeswithloads
perpendiculartotheslotorStandardsizeholesareused,butthatthese
boltsmay,incertainsituationshavetobepretensioned.Whenthe
situationslistedinSectionJ1.10arenotapplicable,thensnugtightbolts
canbeused.Bearingboltshearstrengthvaluesarethesameforbothpre
tensionedboltsandsnugtightenedbolts.
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(SSL)
Oftenmostorallperimeterroofbeamsareeitherdiaphragm
chordsordragstruts.Theycarrysignificantaxialload,in
additiontoverticalshear.IsitappropriatetouseSSLholes
withbearingboltsinthiscase?Won'ttheaccumulated
deflectionandimpactastheboltsmoveintheslotsbe
detrimentaltostructureperformanceunderlateralload?
ThisisanengineeringjudgementdecisionthattheEORmustmake.
Specifyingthatthebeamtocolumnconnectionsbedetailedwithpre
tensionedboltsandSSLholesmaybeappropriate.Pretensionedboltswill
offersomeslipresistance.Attheotherextreme,ifthediaphragmchord
forcesaresubstantial,thenrelyingonshearconnectionsalonetoresist
axialforcesmaybeinappropriate.Insuchsituationsslipcriticalbolted
connectionsmaybeappropriateiftheforcesaresubstantial.
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PersonallyI'malwaysafraidtoconnectabeamtotheflange Manysteelframedbuildingshavebeensuccessfullyconstructedwith
ofcolumns.SoIaddaTee,exactlywhatyoustatenottodo beamsframingtocolumnflangesusingavarietyofconnections.Iknowof
becausetheconnectionwouldbemoreexpensive.
noproblemsoccuringduetosuchconnections.
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ThemessagethatIwastryingtoconveywasthatapproximately50%of
thecostofasteelstructureisrelatedinonewayoranothertothe
Youstatedthat50%costofsteelisinconnectionwhich
connectionsthusconnectioncostisasubstantialpercentageofthetotal
appearstobehigh.Regardless,itisunlikelythatthe
cost.Eachfabricatorhastheirownmethodofdeterminingtheirbidprice.
contractorpricesthesteelstructureseparately,thecostof
Somemayuseanaveragecostperton.Thatcostincludescostsassociated
mainmembersandconnectionspriortothebidding.Isitnot
withtheconnections.Thecostthatfabricatorsassociatewithconnections
truethatthecontractorpricessteelbasedontonnagewith
isnotarbitrary.Itisonebaseduponexperience.Projectswithmanysmall
certainpercentageforconnectionarbitrarilydeterminedby
membersandmanyconnectionswillcostmorepertonthanprojectswith
previousexperience?
fewermembers,heaviermembersandfewerconnections.Fabricatorsdo
notpriceprojectsbasedupontonnagealone.
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IamnotsurethatIunderstandyourquestion.Youmentionone
considerationthatresultsfromOSHAregulations.TherewasaMay2001
ArethereanyOSHAregulationsthatimpactbolted
ModernSteelConstructionarticlethatsummarizedtheOSHAregulations.
connectiondesignsuchastheuseofsinglesidedconnections
Youcanfindithere:
orconnectionsthatsharethesamebolts?
http://www.modernsteel.com/Uploads/Issues/May_2001/0105_02_OSHA
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Whatisthecutoffbetweenafullpenweldandfilletweld
(economically)?
Differentfabricatorsmayhavedifferentresponsestothisquestion.The
answerwillalsovarydependingonthethicknessoftheelementbeing
welded.Wehavedesignedfilletweldsasbigas3/4"ratherthanuse
groovewelds.Theadvantageoffilletweldsisthattheyrequireno
preparationorbevelingoftheelementstobewelded.Chapter14ofAISC
DesignGuide21discussesaspectsofweldingeconomy.Itdoesnotgivea
cutoff,butprovidesdiscussionofthingsthatcanaffecttheeconomyof
CJP,PJPandfilletwelds.
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Whataboutspecifyingshopweldingandfieldboltingfor
connection?Goodidea?
Weleavethisdecisiononwhethertoboltorwelduptothefabricator.
Someshopsaresetupprimarilyforwelding.Othershopsaresetup
primarilyforbolting.
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Don'tfabricatorsroutinelyconsiderincreasingthemember
sizestosimplifytheconnections?
Fabricatorsmayoccasionallyrequesttoincreaseabeamsizetofacilitatea
connectiondetail,howevertomyknowledge,thispracticeisrare.Itisbest
thattheEORconsiderduringdesignwhetheramembershouldbe
increasedinsizetosimplifytheconnections.
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Youarecorrect.AllthingsequalIwouldorientthecolumnssothatthe
girdersframetotheflanges.Iprobablyshouldhaveturnedthecolumnsin
FYI:thesketchinTip#38hasthecolumnsoriented90
thatillustration.Thatsaid,girderconnectionstocolumnwebsarenot
degreesfromtherecommendationinTip#10.Pleaseclarify.
uncommon.Theintentofslide#38wastodiscussthebenefitsof
increasingslabspantoreducethenumberofbeams.
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Canpracticingengineersdesignsemirigidconnections?If
yes,howandtowhatdegreeoffixedconnections?
ThisisthepaperonpartiallyrestrainedbeamsthatMr.Schwingerwas
referringto:EngineeringJournal:ASimplifiedLookatPartiallyRestrained
BeamsbyLouisF.Geschwindner.http://www.aisc.org/store/p808a
simplifiedlookatpartiallyrestrainedbeams.aspx.Aswell,pleasecheck
outthisrecordedpresentationbyDr.Geschwindneraswell.Freetoview.
http://www.aisc.org/content.aspx?id=19860
WhatpaperdidyoujustmentionwrittenbyDr.
Geschwindner?HowcanIretrievethatpaper?
ThisisthepaperonpartiallyrestrainedbeamsthatMr.Schwingerwas
referringto:EngineeringJournal:ASimplifiedLookatPartiallyRestrained
BeamsbyLouisF.Geschwindner.http://www.aisc.org/store/p808a
simplifiedlookatpartiallyrestrainedbeams.aspx.Aswell,pleasecheck
outthisrecordedpresentationbyDr.Geschwindneraswell.Freetoview.
http://www.aisc.org/content.aspx?id=19860
Isthereanystatisticalmethodtoderivecontructabilityfactor
Iamnotawareofanysuchstatisticalanalysis.
orinotherwordscostbenefitanalysis?
Doyouadvocatedelegationofordinaryconnectionstothe
fabricator?
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Yes.Themajorityofconnectionsinsteelframedbuildingsarestandard
shearconnections.Thebulkoftheconnectioncostisintheseordinary
connections.ItisthereforebestfortheEORtoshowthereactionsand
permitthefabricatortodesignanddetailtheirpreferred(most
economical)connection.
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Youarecorrect.Fortunatelyconnectiondesignerusuallyonlyneedsto
knowthemaximummomentwhentheEORdetermineswhethercolumn
stiffenersorwebdoublerplatesarerequired(astheyshouldperAISC303
10).Theproblemoccurswhenengineersrequireconnectiondesignersto
usethefullmemberstrengthtodesignmomentconnectionsandwhen
Providingloadsforallloadcasesformomentconnectionscan theyrequiretheconnectionstobedesignedtoaccomodatethemoments
actinginanydirectionfordeterminingifstiffenersordoublerplatesare
delegation getquitelengthy.Whendelegatingmomentconnection
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(momentconn) design,whatisthemostefficientwaytoconveythedesign required.IftheEORisgoingtorequiretheconnectiondesignertocheckif
loads?
stiffenersanddoublersarerequired(notrecommended)thentheymust
providetheindividualdead,live,windandseismicmomentssothatthe
connectiondesignercancheckthevariousloadcombinations.Thisisalot
ofworkforboththeEORaswellastheconnectiondesigner.Theextra
workcanbeavoidediftheEORdeterminesifstiffenersanddoublerplates
arerequired(andsizesthemaccordinglyiftheyarerequired).
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Whenmomentconnectiondesignisdelegatedtothefabricator's
connectiondesignengineer,theEORmustprovideanylimitationsand
restrictionspertainingtotheconnectiondesignsothatthestructural
framingwillperforminthemannerexpectedbytheEOR.Ifacertaintype
ofmomentconnectionisnotacceptabletotheEOR,thenthatinformation
mustbeconveyedtotheconnectiondesigner.ForexampleiftheEOR
requiresthatmomentconnectionsbefullyrigidconnections(versussemi
rigid),thenthatrequirementmustbeexplicitlystated.If,forexamplethe
EORwantsendplatemomentconnectionsatbeamtocolumn
connections,thenthatrequirementmustbeexplicitlystated.Ifflange
boltedmomentconnectionsmightbeused,thentheEORmustmakesure
thattheholesinthebeamflangesattheconnectionswillnotreducethe
availablememberstrengthandifitmightbeanissue,thentheEORmust
specifyamaximumpermittedboltdiameter,etc.ortheEORmustmake
certainthattheflangesaresufficientlywidesothatstrengthatthenet
section(attheholes)willnotbethelimitstateforbeamflexuralstrength.
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IsitcommonfortheEORtodelegatethedesignofspecial
connectionstothefabricatorwithoutspecifyingtheactual
designforces?Saythedesigndead,liveandwindloadsare
onlyspecifiedonthedrawings.
TheAISCCodeofStandardPractice(COSP)requiresthatthedesignated
representativefordesign shallprovideDataconcerningtheloads,
includingshears,moments,axialforcesandtransferforces,thataretobe
resistedbytheindividualmembersandtheirconnections ,sufficientto
allowtheselection,completion,ordesignoftheconnection detailswhile
preparingtheshop anderectiondrawings .Itdoesnotgetinto
particularsabouthowthismustbedone.Ifconnectiondesignisbeing
delegatedtobedesignedbyanengineerworkingforthefabricator,thenit
isacceptablefortheconnectionengineertobeexpectedtocalculateload
combinationsbasedonloadcasesgiveninthecontractdocuments.If
connectionsaredelegatedtobe"selected"connectionsanddonot
requirealicensedengineerprovidingasealeddesign,itisnotappropriate
forthefabricator/detailertobeexpectedtocalculateloadsperASCE7.
delegation
Thereare3optionsgivenintheAISCCodeofStandardPracticeSection
3.1.2:(1)Thecompleteconnectiondesignshallbeshowninthestructural
designdrawings,(2)Inthestructuraldesigndrawingsorspecifications,
theconnectionshallbedesignatedtobeselectedorcompletedbyan
For"Delegatedconnectiondesign"option,isitacceptableif
experiencedsteeldetailer,or(3)Inthestructuraldesigndrawingsor
thefabricatorisprovidingconnectionwithoutusingthe
specifications,theconnectionshallbedesignatedtobedesignedbya
servicesofaprofessionalengineer?
licensedprofessionalengineerworkingforthefabricator.Inoption(2),the
"selection"ofaconnectionfromprovidedorspecifiedtablesdoesnot
requirealicensedengineer.Initem(3)thedesignofconnectionsdoes
requirealicensedengineer.
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Howdoyoufactorincontractor/erectorcompetence?For
examplewiththeboltsallbeingthesamesize,Iseethisbeing
SpecifyinganAISCCertifiedcompanywillensurethatthefabricatorand
donebysomeengineerstoensuretherightpartsareusedin
erectorhaveacomprehensiveQA/QCprogram.
therightplaces.Orevenswitchingbetweenboltsteel
grades.
Iamnotanattorney,soIdonotknowthelegalanswertothisquestion.
Sufficetosaythateveryonewillbesuedifthereisastructuralfailure.In
myopinion,delegatingconnectiondesigndoesnotrelievetheEORof
ultimateresponsibilityforproperlydesigningthestructure(includingthe
connections).Whendelegatingconnectiondesign,theEORmustfollowa
standardofcaretoinsurethattheconnectionswereproperlydesignedby
thefabricator'sconnectiondesignengineer.Structuralfailuresarealmost
nevertheresultofoneerror.Itistypicallyaseriesoferrorsthatleadstoa
failure.
delegation
Ifconnectiondesignisdelegatedandthereisafailure,who
getssued?
delegation
Yoursugggestionisbothpracticalandisagoodidea.Werequire
Howpracticalisittorequirethedelegatedconnectiondesign fabricatorstoindicateboththerequiredconnectionstrength(shownon
engineertoindicatethecapacityoftheconnectionprovided thedrawings)andtheprovidedconnectionstrength(computedbythe
foreachconnectiononeachbeamonthepiecesheetsofthe fabricator'sconnectiondesignengineer)adjacenttoeachconnectionon
thepiecedrawings.Mostfabricatorscanaccommodatethisrequirement
shopdrawings?
withtheirdetailingsoftware.
delegation
Ifyoudohavedrawingswiththesenotes,howdoesa
fabricatorrequestreactions,requestsinglesided
connections,etc.,totheEOR?
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TheEORmustfollowthetheproceduresoutlinedinAISC30310,Section
3.1.2.indicatingthereactionsonthedrawingsandstatinganyspecific
restrictionsregardingconnectiondesign.Ifnorestrictionsarestated,then
thefabricatorisfreetoprovideanytypeofshearconnectiontheydesire.
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Itdependsonwhatisspecifiedinthecontractdocuments.Thisis
discussedintheCommentarytoAISCCodeofStandardPracticeSection
3.1.2,whichstates,"Theownersdesignatedrepresentativefordesign
mayrequirethatthesubstantiatingconnectioninformationbesignedand
sealedforoption(3).Thesigningandsealingofthecoverletter
Whencontractordesignstheconnections,isheexpectedto transmittingtheshopanderectiondrawingsandsubstantiating
haveaconnectiondesignengineerstamptheshopdrawings connectioninformationmaysuffice.Thissigningandsealingindicatesthat
andcalculationsandsubmitthemtotheengineerofrecord? aprofessionalengineerperformedtheworkbutdoesnotreplacethe
approvalprocessprovidedinSection4.4.Arequirementtosignandseal
eachsheetoftheshopanderectiondrawingsisdiscouragedasitmay
servetoconfusethedesignresponsibilitybetweentheownersdesignated
representativefordesignandthelicensedprofessionalengineersworkin
performingtheconnectiondesign."
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TheEORmustprovidesufficientinformationtopermittheconnection
designengineertoconsiderthefullenvelopeofloadsforwhich
connectionsaresubjected.Whenaconnectiondesignisgovernedonlyby
Wouldyoudiscussaxialloadsyouhavementionedinlaterally themaximumvalueoftheload,thentheEORneedsonlytoprovidethat
loadedframesversusgravityloadingonly?Canyoudiscuss maximumvalue.Whenaconnectiondesignmaybeinfluencedbyloads
howthese,alongwithshearandmomentloadsareshownon actingindifferentdirectionsthentheEORmustprovidethemaximumand
drawings?Doyouhaveagoodexampleofthis?
minimumshears,momentsoraxialloadsactingontheconnection.Most
connectionsaregovernedonlybythemaximumloadsapplied.Forthose
membersforwhichconnectiondesignmaybeaffectedbymaximumor
minimumloads,bothvaluesshouldbeindicated.
delegation
Thereare3optionsgivenintheAISCCodeofStandardPracticeSection
3.1.2:(1)Thecompleteconnectiondesignshallbeshowninthestructural
designdrawings,(2)Inthestructuraldesigndrawingsorspecifications,
theconnectionshallbedesignatedtobeselectedorcompletedbyan
experiencedsteeldetailer,or(3)Inthestructuraldesigndrawingsor
specifications,theconnectionshallbedesignatedtobedesignedbya
licensedprofessionalengineerworkingforthefabricator.Inoption(2),the
"selection"ofaconnectionfromprovidedorspecifiedtablesdoesnot
requirealicensedengineer.Initem(3)thedesignofconnectionsdoes
requirealicensedengineer.
For"Delegatedconnectiondesign"optionisitacceptableif
thefabricatorisprovidingconnectionswithoutusingthe
servicesofaprofessionalengineer?
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delegation
Ifwearedelegatingconnectiondesigntothefabricator's
engineer,howarewesupposedtoavoidtheneedfor
stiffeneranddoublerplates.Seemsliketheissuewillbe
discoveredtoolateinordertoavoidthesecostly
connections.
TheneedforstiffenersshouldbeinvestigatedbytheEORduringdesign
(beforethedrawingsareissuedforbid).Somedesignandanalysis
softwarehastheabilitytoanalyzeandsizecolumnssothatstiffenersare
notrequired.Manualcalcualationstoinvestigateifstiffenersarerequired
canbefacilitatedusinginformationprovidedinTable41intheAISCSteel
ConstructionManual.
delegation
Idisagree.AllengineeringfirmsshouldhaveaninhouseQualityAssurance
processtoreducethelikelihoodofmistakes.Specifyingthatconnections
bedesignedforstrengthsfarinexcessoftheactualreactionsiswasteful
Whenalltheconnectionsaredeligatedtofabricator,weneed
andusuallynotinthebestinterestoftheowner.Engineeringfirmsshould
toprovidethereactionsforeachandeveryconnections.
strivetoestablishfeesthatwillallowthemtoproduceefficientdesigns
ThereforeIbelievethat,itmayleadtomoremistakes.Do
withsufficienttimetoproducehighqualitycontractdocumentsthathave
youagree?
beencheckedandreviewedformistakes.Theadditionalcosttotheowner
forproducinghighqualitystructuraldrawingswillbelessthanthecostof
providingoversizedconnections.
details
Irecentlyhadaproblemwithmycolumncapsplatesbeinga
problemforbeamerectionduetosomeosharequirements.
Arecolumncapsplatesnecessaryforanythingotherthan
Columncapplatesmaynotalwaysbenecessary.
decksupportandwhatareothersdoingtosupportdeckat
columnsifcapplatesareaproblem?
Asastructuralengineerwouldyouallowunitycheckof1.03
generaldesign (Loads/Capacity)sincecalculationsaredoneusingcomputers Iwouldstrivetokeepthestrengthratioto1.0orless.
veryprecisely?
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Thedesignprocessisoftenafluidoneanddesignloadsareoccasionally
Dodesignloadsalwaysremainconstant?Itseemstomethat revisedduringthedesignprocess.Hencetheneedforstructuralengineers
generaldesign thedesignloadsoftenchangewiththedesignprogressand tobeproactiveincommunicatingwiththeirclientsandotherconsultants.
engineer/architectcontinuedinteraction.
Documentalldecisionsregardingtheagreedupdesignloads,sothatif
theylaterchangethedesigncanberevisedaccordingly.
HSS
Indesigningtubetotubeconnectionswithheaviermoments,
shouldtheEORidentifyneededlocationforinteriortube
Yes.AISC30310requirestheEORtodeterminethelocationsandsizesof
stiffenerstoatleastenablereasonablebiddingsincetheEOR columnstiffeners.
controlsmembersize(ieoptionstoavoidinteriorstiffeners)
No.Theoptimalspan/depthratioforatrussisabout10.Thedecisionon
whethertouseatrussversusaplategirderdependsontheavailable
structuredepth,coordinationissueswithMEPsystemsandcost
considerations.Thedecisionofwhetherornottouseplategirdersversus
trussesisnotadecisiontobemadebytheEORalone.
members
Doyouhavearuleofthumbforwhentouseadeepbeam
insteadofafabricatedtruss?
members
Therearemanyvariablestobeconsideredwhenselectingtheoptimal
floorframingsystem.Issuessuchasfireratings,ceilingconstruction,
vibrationcriteria,availabilityofmaterials,availablestructuredepth,future
Forsupportingslabs,beamsoropenwebsteeljoists?Which
flexibility,foundationloads,siesmicloads,mechanicalsystemsabovethe
isbetter?
ceiling,andsoundtransmissionarebutsomeofthevariablesthatmay
affectthedecisiontogowithjoistsversuscompositebeams.Thereare
advantagesanddisadvantagestoallsystems.
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Intip#38spacingthebeamssavecostonsteelbutwhat
aboutthecostoftheextraconcreteduetotheadded
thickness?Isitstillmoreefficientthisway?
Wefindthatitisoftenmostcostefficienttothickentheslabonmetal
deckinordertoincreasetheslabspanandreducethenumberofbeams.
Thethickenedslabisaccomplishedbyusingdeeperfloordeck.Increasing
thedeckfrom1.5"to3"addstheequivalentofonly0.75"ofadditonal
slabthickness.Exceptionstothisruleofthumbmaybeinbuildingswhere
thestructuredepthmustbeminimizedtotheabsolutemimimumand
structureswherefloorsarebeingaddedontopofexistingbuildingsand
thestructureselfweightmustbeminimized.
Doestip#38applytosteeltrusseswithsteeldeck?
Notnecessarily.Thedecisionwhethertousecloselyspacedjoistswitha
thinslab,versuscompositebeamssupportingathickerslabisnotoneto
bemadebytheEORalone.Variablessuchasjoistcost,vibration
considerations,structuredepth,mechanicalsystemsandfireratingissues
mayinfluencedeterminationofthemostappropriatefloorframing
system.
Inhighseismiczones,isitallowabletodesignateabraced
frameas"R=3"anddesignforthehigherforcesbutsaveon
overstrengthconnections,etc?Whereisthatcode
reference?Thanks.
ASCE7Table12.21listssystemsallowedinvariousseismicdesign
categories.SystemHinthistable(theR=3system)isnotpermittedinSDC
D,EorF.
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R=3
WhatRcanbeusedforhighseismicapplicationsinorderto
avoidspecialconnectionandmemberdesignprovisions?
InseismicdesigncategoriesBorC,SystemHinASCE7table12.21(the
R=3)systemwillhavetheleastdetailingrequirements.InSeismicDesign
CategoriesD,EandF,theleastamountofseismicdetailingisassociated
withthe"ordinary"systems.However,therearemanyrestrictionson
theiruse(suchasheight).TypicallythereisnotanadvantagetoIMFover
SMFinseismiccontrolledsystemsbecausetheconnectionrequirements
arenearlyidentical.
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Whywouldanyonedesign"Ordinary"seismicframeswhen
"R=3"doesnotresultinsignificantlyhigherseismicforces
(R=3versusR=3.25or3.5)?
BecauseR=3systemsarenotpermittedinseismicdesigncategoriesD,E
orFbyASCE7Table12.21.
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WhatsectionofASCE7orAISC341permitsR=3foranOMF?
R=3isnotallowedforanOMF.Rfactorsandlimitationsonsystemusage
arefoundinASCE7Table12.21.
R=3
EvenifyoudesignarbitrailyforR=3forseismicdesign
categoriesD,EandF,don'tyouhavetodetailthe
connectionsperhighseismicriskdesigndetailprocedures.?
TheR=3system(SystemHinASCE7Table12.21)isnotpermittedin
seismicdesigncategoriesD,EandF.IntheseSDC'stheappropriateR
factor,designanddetailingrequirementsarethoseassociatedwiththe
systembeingused.
R=3
YoumentionedyoucanuseanRof3forbracedframes.
WheredoesASCE7allowthis?
ASCE7Table12.21systemH(R=3system).ItreferstoASCE7Section
14.1fordetailingrequirements.ThelastsentenceofASCE7Section14.1.2
allowstheuseofsystemHwithoutAISC341.
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