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¢ Inbox 15. Its not enough to say Christians dsagree. We aways look a the fruit when we judge the health ofa plant. We Jook at actions when we look at doctrine. We don't let racist or racism-denying Christians teach our people. We don’t let the health and wealth preacher influence our students. We don’t teach multiple views of women in ministry if we want students and staff to land in the egaiitarian position. 46. This is not“IVCF's postion. Its the historical, global orthodox position in which IVCF as always aligned itsell. 47. Dallas Witard quote on Scripture. “If the Bible says something once, don't worry about it. fit says something twice, think about it twice. Ifitis @ repeated theme then we have to submit to this clear Biblical principle. (Bruce's ‘argument that itis not just the 7 passages agains, but from 100 other texts on God and marriage. 418, Why doesn't the Bible speak specifically about homosexuality very often? Bes ‘common. And we are only troubled by the lac ‘obsessed with sexuality than in the past. cause adultery was much more ik of specific texts on human sexuality because our society is far more 49, We are not elevating sexual sin above greed or ying or died. But to celebrate same-sex activity is the moral equiva drunkenness.” (Chris Seitz) runkenness. They are all sins for which Jesus ent of saying “blessed greed” or “holy 20, Romans 1 calls out both natural aw and revelation for reasons to resist same sex activity. One for the Gentiles and one for Israel. (Seitz) 21. Sometimes this conversation can come off as arbitrary; as ithe 2 sides are equal and one can choose either ‘Side and be fine. | would argue that the burden of proof after nearly 2000 years (more if you consider the Jewish teaching) is on the new theology of sexuality. Therefore, | would expect this to be conveyed in some way. Its not ike people have debated this for years and have been terminally undecided 22, Tho comparison to slavery is not a fair one given that American Slavery is so different that historical slavery ‘outside the USA. And, even with American slavery the argument was won by appeals fo Scripture by Biblical Christians and enslaved Africans as they began to read. The “Scriptural case for slavery" felllike a house of cards in ’ rather shor amount of time, and there were always Bible arguments against slavery as opposed to the recent revisionist concepts of human sexuality 23. In the past when there have had theological disputes about orthodoxy or orthoprany the debates have been over what The Book says. This conversation has been primariy informed by the social sciences and not by Seripture, In Contrast the women in ministry conversation has been about what Scripture says and goes all the way back to the fearly church where women served at every level (and did £0 forthe frst 300 years). 24, tis Western Imperialism to make the rest of the world (the global church) adhere to their view of human sexuality, 25, For IVCF: We have walked through this fire before with ME and Women in Ministry. (Pauline) 26. Ed Shaw and Wesley Hill say thatt gives single celibate Christians (both same sex attracted and opposite fatiracted) hope and confidence when others are honest about their struggles, but are faithful to the orthodox view of fhuman sexuality. They are encouraged when Christians who have essentially sex-less marriages stay marned, and are faltnfut to their spouses. 27. (Preston Sprinkle) The affirming crowd is ripping Jesus out of his Jewish Context. Jesus primarily ministered in ‘Jewish context and the Jews were clear on same-sex relations. If he had endorsed same-sex relationships he ‘would have been the first Jewish leader to do this fora thousand years. This is highly unlikely. He also didn't ‘comment on incest, rane, or bestiality, this doesn't mean he was for hese things. 28. The Hermeneuitica change on bedrock orthodoxy is huge. Some say the orthodox view is damaging to ‘people, But, in light ofthe severe change from history, shouldn't we try every pastoral reform we can do to make things better rather than overturn such a longstanding hermeneutic? also gives away ot of exples round to 20! century liberalism. What wll we stand on if people say the Trinity is just aati co. coe cine ea

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