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DavidBowie'ssongwriting 127points(90%upvoted)
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127pointssubmitted1yearagobycbbuntz

Likeprobablymostofyou,I've
beenbingelisteningtoDavid
Bowie.It'sseriouslyimpressive
howhewassoprolificwhile
maintainingbothdiversityand
consistentqualitythroughouthis
career.IreallylikeeverythingI've
heardfromthenewestrecord.
Afewthingsstruckmewhile
listeningtohismusic.Hemakesso
manyodd,unobviouschoicesinhis
songswhetherit'ssongstructure,
chordprogressions,vocalphrasing,
choiceofinstrumentationetc.,but Submitanewtextpost
itseldomsoundsforcedor
awkward.IfIwereaskedtowrite musictheory
asongthatsoundslikeaBowie subscribe 72,877readers
song,Iwouldn'tknowwhereto ~63usersherenow
startbecausehismusicseemsso Showmyflaironthissubreddit.Itlookslike:
farfrombeingformulaic. l12

OnethingIhavenoticedinalotof
hissongsisthatheoftenavoids
usingthetonicchordforextended
portionsofthesongcreatinga
feelingofanticipationorsuspense.
Forexample,in"UnderPressure",
theverse,prechorusandmostof
thechoruscontinuouslyfeellike
theyarebuildinguntilfinally
resolvingtothetonicattheendof
thechorus.Thesecondchorus
doesn'tevenresolveandthesong
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 goesintothebridgeinstead,
creatingevenmoresuspense.It
remindsmeofhowWagner's
"TristanundIsolde"famously
doesn'tresolvetotheIchorduntil
theveryend.
Ihaveahardtimeputtingmy
fingeronwhatelsemadeBowie's
musicsouniquesounding.
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[] RealityTunnelBob 13points1yearago
Ihearalotofchromaticvoiceleading
tohelptransitionoutofkey.
(ObligatoryRIP,amazingartist)
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[] blue_strat 23points1yearago
Inevitablyhisvoiceiswhattiesitall
together.Itseemstoalwayshavea
theatricaldramatoit,likeDavid
AcklesonAmericanGothic.
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[] islamicporkchop 23points1yearago
Backinthe70sand80shisvoice
wasincrediblyversatile,buteven
withagewhenhecouldn'thitthe
highnotesaswellhestarted
usinghislowerrangeforartistic
effect,particularlyinsomeofthe
moremacabrenumberson
Blackstar.
Notonlythatherecordedsomeof
hisclassicsongsinonetaketo
makesurehisintimationswere
morenatural.Suchartistryand
talent.
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[] cbbuntz [S]7points1yearago*

Giventhediversityofhismusic,I Relatedsubreddits
supposeit'sunfairtotryto
/r/Composer/
attributeanyoneparticularthing /r/ComposerTalk/
tohisuniquesound,perhapswith /r/Ethnomusicology
theexceptionofhisvoice.The /r/Musicology
/r/MusicEd
melodieswouldsometimesfeel /r/MusicCognition/
moreimpliedratherthanspelled /r/LearnMusic/
out(ifthatmakessense).Robert /r/EarlyMusicalNotation
/r/Transcribe/
Smithdoesasimilarthing,and /r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/
hisvoicealsohasatheatrical, /r/ELI5Music
dramaticvibe.
Theotherthingsthatmadehim
Flairlegend
uniquemystifyme.Iwouldlove
toseehiminthecreativeprocess Graduatestudent
toseeifthatshedsanylighton Highschoolstudent
howhismindworked(Anyone Musicprofessor
knowofgoodstudiofootage?).I Other(formalmusiceducation,butnota
professionalmusician)
doknowthathehadareputation
Professionalmusician
fordeliberatelydoingthingsthe
Selftaught
"wrong"waywhileinthestudio.
UndergraduateStudent
Heusedeffectsandsynthsin
waysnotintendedbythe Readaboutflairin
manufacturers.Onhisinfamous
/r/musictheoryandgetyour
remixofRawPower,he
deliberatelydistortedthetracks, own!
whichweren'texactlyhifito acommunityfor8years
beginwith.Iimaginehewould
havehadasimilarbreaktherules
approachtosongwriting.
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[] ScallopOolong 2points1yearago

Iwouldlovetoseehimin
thecreativeprocesstosee
ifthatshedsanylighton
howhismindworked
(Anyoneknowofgood
studiofootage?).
Idon'tknowofstudiofootage,
butBrianEno'sdiarybookA MODERATORS messagethemoderators
YearwithSwollenAppendices ejanaox harmony,jazz,latin
 includessomebitsandpieces m3g0wnz pop/rock,timbre,arranging/transcribing
secher_nbiw
aboutworkinginthestudio 20th/21stc.,Americanmusic,criticaltheory
withBowieonhisOutside vornska form,schemas,18opera
album. nmitchell076
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[] serviceenginesoon 2points1yearago RECENTLYVIEWEDLINKS

Ilovethatyoupointedthisout! HowcanIrecreatethehihatsinOr
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[] Ahandgesture 1point1yearago Afterupdatingto10.3,mysongsounds

drasticallyworse.
I'vealwaysthoughthisvoicewas
8points|3comments
almostwhinyattimes.Especially
inthelatersongsinthespace Whatareyourfavourite/mostusedkey
commandsforthepianorollthat
oddityalbum enhancedyourworkflow?
Thatsaid,Idolovelisteningto 12points|8comments

him! Whatistherecommendedworkflowfor
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[] Dubsland12 11points1yearago LegacyinstrumentsandplugsUI

updatedwith10.3?
Hisvoiceishisidentifyingtrademark
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throughout.HalftheBritishbandsin
clear
Englandinthe80sweredoingBowie
imitations. accountactivity

Healsoplayedwithamazing
musicianslikeMikeGarson,Brian
Eno,Iggy,etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_G
arson#Work_with_David_Bowie
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[] RANCH_KING 9points1yearago

Don'tforgetRobertFripp.
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[] jtf76 3points1yearago

Don'tforgetRickWakeman!
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[] 4floorsofwhores 3points1yearago

StevieRayVaughan
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[] cbbuntz [S]1point1yearago
 Iforgotaboutthat!Stevie'sworkwithBowieiswhatgothim
noticedontheworldstageandcatapultedhiscareer.
Speakingof"Let'sDance",theamazingdrumworkwasdoneby
TonyThompsonofChic/Powerstationfame.Sadly,David,Stevie
andTonyareallnolongerwithus.Ifeellikenearlyallofmy
musicheroesaredead:(
TonywasactuallychosentobethereplacementforBonhamfora
LedZeppelinreunion.SomehowPhilCollinsalsogotonboardand
bothPhilandTonyplayeddrumsfortheZeppelinLiveAidshow.
Tonyisthemaindrummeryouhearontherecording,butPhilgot
allthecameratime.
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[] celebratedmrk 3points1yearago

HalftheBritishbandsinEnglandinthe80sweredoingBowieimitations.
Goddamn.Ihadsortofintuitedasmuchbutyourcommentconfirmsmy
suspicion.
Ihadoftenwonderedwhysomany'80snewwavevocalistswentforthat
arch,baritonesoundalmostlikealoungesingeraftertheprevioustwo
decadesofbandshadgoneupthevocalregister.
Nowitmakessense.DavidBowiewasabiginfluenceonallglaminspired
NewWavers.
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[] cbbuntz [S]2points1yearago

IanCurtisisprobablypartiallytoblamesincehehelpedsetthestagefor
that,butJoyDivisionwereheavilyinfluencedbyBowie.Theiroriginal
bandnamewasWarsawwhichwasderivedfromthenameofasongoff
Low.
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[] celebratedmrk 1point1yearago

Ah.Ididn'tknowthat.
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[] Dubsland12 1point1yearago

IneedtogiveBryanFerryalittlebitofcredittooforthestyle.
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[] celebratedmrk 1point1yearago

Withoutadoubt.RoxyMusicwerebothsuccessfulandinfluential.
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[] bstix 9points1yearago*
Isawsomedocumentaryonhimyearsagoinwhichhehadagreattipforcoming
upwithlyrics:He'dcutoutwordsfromthenewspaperwithascissorand
rearrangethewordsintolyrics.I'vedoneitacoupleoftimesandIalwayscome
upwithsomething.Ononehandit'seasybecauseyougetthewordsforfree,but
it'salsoveryconstraining,becauseyouhavetoputthemeaningintothewords
yourselftocreatesentencesthatmakessense.It'sagoodworkoutforthebrain.
I'veconsideredmakinganappforthismethod.Itwouldbenicetohaveona
tablet.
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[] cbbuntz [S]4points1yearago*

Here'satrickIusedonarecordIproducedafewyearsagothatyoumight
like.Recordavocalpart,reverseit,thentrytofigureoutwhatthebackwards
vocalsoundslikeit'ssaying.Sometimesyougetanewcoolmelodytoo!IfI
recallcorrectly,welayeredthereversedandnormalvocalsforextra
weirdness.
Here'sthetrackIknow,itsoundsexactlylikeMyBloodyValentine,butthat's
whattheyweregoingfor.
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[] WrongPeninsula 5points1yearago

InmyteenageyearsIusedtodothisforchordprogressions.Ourgoto
methodinmyhardcorepunkbandwastotakeachordprogressionfrom
Discharge(likethisone)andjustreverseit.Bam!Anewhardcorepunk
riffisborn.
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[] cbbuntz [S]2points1yearago*

Iusedtodothatwithleadstoo.AlotoftimesIwouldpreferthe
reversedmelody.Ialwayslikedthesoundofbackwardsbends.
WouldIknowanyofthehardcorebandsyouwerein?Alotofthe
workIdoisonhardcorerecords(primarilymastering,butsome
recording/producingtoo)andwemayhavesomemutualfriends.
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[] Helplessdancer 1point1yearago

Ahhhjustlikeburrows
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[] GirTheRobot 7points1yearago

IfeelliketheharmonicmotiffortheentireofHunkyDoreyis"descendingbass
lines",bothchromaticanddiatonic.Changes,LifeonMars,OhYouPrettyThings,
etc.Ilovehowuniquehisprogressionsareandheseemstojustgetsimpleras
timegoeson.YoungAmericansvsManWhoSoldtheWorld..Heknewhisshit.
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 [] cbbuntz [S]5points1yearago

heseemstojustgetsimplerastimegoeson
"Fame"makesgreatuseofnegativespace,buttheLet'sDancealbumis
whenhereallyseemedtostartusingnegativespace.IsuspectNileRodgers
mayhavepushedforamoreminimalistic,grooveorientedapproach.Itwould
makesenseconsideringhowChicsounded.
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[] smilingarmpits 2points1yearago

OnSpaceOdditytoo,the"planetearthisblue"part
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[] burningtoad 2points1yearago

Ifeellikedescendingbasslineswerejustveryemblematicofalotofmore
complexpianopopatthetime.See:theentireOdesseyandOraclealbum.
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[] nicktf 15points1yearago

ForHunkyDory,hemadeaconsciousshifttocomposeonpiano,notguitar.His
rudimentaryknowledgeofitapparentlyleadtosomeofthecompositionsbeing
arrivedatbymoving2fingerpatternsaroundthekeys.Ithinkbeingan
instinctivemelodicgeniushelped,too.
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[] Pelvis 6points1yearago

Hispianoskillsimprovedveryrapidly.
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[] nicktf 14points1yearago

Prettysurethat'smonsterplayerMikeGarson.SeetheoutrotoAladdin
Sanemoreofhisstuff,it'sincredible
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[] Pelvis 3points1yearago*

Irealisethatitwasn'tBowieplayingIwasjustjoking.:P
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[] ThrewUpThrewAway 4points1yearago

Nicepost.Mytwocentsarethatnomatterhowoddandexperimentalandvaried
Bowie'smusicwas,it'salltiedtogetherinthathealwaysmanagedtocramin
catchylittlepophooksallovertheplace.Ithinkofhimasapopstarexpressing
popthroughvariousmediums.RIPBowie.
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[] ClintonHarvey 2points1yearago

Ultimately,itwashisvoice.Itwasso....dramatic.
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[] differentclass 1point1yearago

checkoutScottWalker'smusic.HewasabiginfluencetoBowie.Especiallythe
firstfewtracksfromWalkerBrothers"NiteFlights"
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[] [deleted]1point1yearago

Doesanyoneknowwhathismainsongwritinginstrumentwasduringtheearly
years?ForsomereasonIthinkit'sa12string?AmIrightorwasthatonlyjusta
likeathinghedidforcertainsongs,fortelevisionappearances?
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[] bmarkovic 4points1yearago

Nope,that'dbeBrianEno
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[] TheGreatAuseil 3points1yearago

WhichwerefamouslyusedbyBowieandbelonginadiscussionabouthis
songwriting.
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[] bmarkovic 7points1yearago

Butarenot"his"
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[] cbbuntz [S]2points1yearago

I'msurprisedIhaven'theardofthis.Accordingtowiki,BrianEnoandPeter
Schmidtweretheauthors,buttheywereusedbybothEnoandBowiewhen
theywereworkingtogetherinBerlin.
Theylooklikethetypeofthoughtsanybodywouldhaveduringthecreative
process,butIfeellikeItendtoreusethesamefewtrickstoofrequently.A
biggerbagoftricks=morecreativity?
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[] TheGreatAuseil 3points1yearago

Lotsofpeoplehaveswornbythem.I'veneverhadanysuccess
personally,butI'mnotpairingtheirusewithinsaneamountsofcocain.
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[] fross 1point1yearago

Ihaveasetofthem.Theyaregoodwhenyouarestuckandwanttolook
ataproblemadifferentway.
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[] psycommander 6points1yearago*
Idon'tgetthismentality.Ithappenseverytimeafamousartistdies.Peoplestart
listeningalottotheirmusicaftertheydie.Why?
edit:ohwowthisgotdownvotesreally?youguyscan'thandlemequestioning
yourmindsets?imjustaskingforexplanationherenottryingtobashanybody.I
trulydon'tgetit.Noneedtogetupsetaboutthat.
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[] MortimusGorgon 10points1yearago

Probablybecausetheydidn'ttakethetimetodoitbeforeandthepersons
deathremindedthemthattheywantedtodelveintothatartist.Andnowthat
he'sgoneandwon'tbemakinganymoremusicyoucanlistentoeachrecord
inthecontextofbowiescompletediscography.Sortoflikethewaythat
BlackstartookonanewcharacterafterBowiesdeathvsbefore
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[] cbbuntz [S]8points1yearago*

Poeticanswer:It'sawaytocelebratetheirlife
Practicalanswer:Newsstories,conversationsandsocialmediapostsare
essentiallyadvertisement.Theconstantexposuremakesmethinkofhis
musicmoreanditmakesmewanttohearwhateversongofhisjustpopped
intomyhead.SameeffectasseeingfoodonTVandthencravingthatfood.
I'msurealotofpeoplewhoweren'tfansbeforewillgetcurioustoo.
Alsothesongsareplayingeverywhere.Afewrestaurantsintownhavebeen
playingnothingbutBowie.
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[] PixlProphet 33points1yearago*

Inevergotthebigdeal.Hismusicsoundslikeit'sfromsomeonewho,
technically,didn'tknowwhattheyweredoing,butwhohadamusicalear.So,his
musicendsupbeingdifferent,andIseehowthatcaneasilybeconfusedwith
"innovative".Myopinionismeaningless,buthismusicwasnotremotelycloseto
"genius".Hismusicwasmerelyanunderscoreforhisbrand.Idon'tknow
anythingabouthimbutmyguessishewasabusinessmanbeforehewasan
artist.Hewasagoodperformerandverycreative,I'llgivehimthat...andhe
laughedallthewaytothebank.RIP
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[] audiodidact 14points1yearago

yep,youropinionissupermeaninglessonthisone.
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[] PixlProphet 0points1yearago*

Igetit.It'stheongoingdebateaboutwhatisobjectively/subjectively
goodandbadinthearts.Iwouldarguethatqualityartismoreobjective
thansubjective.Yes,theemotioncanbesubjective,badartcancreate
 emotionbutthatdoesnotmeanit'sgoodart,evenifitachievedart'send.
Itstillobjectivelydoesn'tmatterbecausemanypeoplearebuyinginto
whatmakesthemfeelsomething.Mostpeoplelikefastfoodbutatrained
Michelinwinningchefwillobjectivelyknowit'sbad,whilethosesame
peoplecanverylikelynotlikeamealservedtothembythechef.It'sa
matterofgoodtaste,whichisobjective.(Andwe'rebackaroundtothe
beginning)
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[] svenniola 2points1yearago

Well,icanseesomeofyourpoints,butthisispracticallyawake.Be
nice.
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[] [deleted]1point1yearago

Sohavinggoodtastemeanslikinggoodart,andbeinggoodartmeans
beinglikedbypeoplewithgoodtaste?
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[] bstix 4points1yearago

Youcanfindmanymusiciansandsongwriterswhoaretechnicallysuperior
andbetterattheircraft,buttherearenotmanywhocansucceedwith
creatinganythingremotelylikewhatBowiedid:Art.
Hewastechnicallyextremelygoodatbeinganartist.
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[] [deleted]2points1yearago

Hismusicsoundslikeit'sfromsomeonewho,technically,didn'tknowwhat
theyweredoing,butwhohadamusicalear.
Sowhat?
Imeanheevenadmittedassuch,sayinghisfirststeptoworkingwith
synthesizerswastothrowoutthemanual.Thisisabadthingwhy?
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[] audiodidact 5points1yearago

Idon'tknowanythingabouthim
Hewasagoodperformerandverycreative,I'llgivehimthat...
helaughedallthewaytothebank
o_0
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[] fross 4points1yearago

Tobefair,expandingonthatinterviewhesaidhe"threwoutthe
manuals"forsynthsastheywerefullofunmusicalpresets,I.e.what
 engineersthoughtmusicianswouldwant,thoseartificialstringsoundsetc,
andhepreferredtoexperimentwithsoundcreation.
Ifanythingthatisamoremusicalapproach.
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[] [deleted]2points1yearago

...thatwasmypoint.Doingthingshisownwayinsteadofthe
prescribedwaydoesn'tmakehim''less''ofamusician.
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[] PixlProphet 0points1yearago

That'strue,andhisstrengthwashiscreativitynothismusicality.
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[] VisualOstrich 1point1yearago

Imohisstrengthinpartcamefromthecombinationofthetwo
areas.Hiscreativitywasmindblowing,buthehadaverystrong
graspofmusicalityaswell.Hispresentation,hiscatchylicksand
melodies,hisorchestralintegration..Itdoesn'tneedtobesuper
hardandcomplexforittobemusical.Youdon'thavetolikeit,not
everyonedoes,butthatdefinitelydoesnotdetractfromhis
musicality.
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[] PixlProphet 7points1yearago

It'snotabadthingbutitmeanshismusicwillbeforgottenbecauseit's
not,attheendoftheday...musical.
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[] [deleted]2points1yearago

Whatdoesthatevenmean
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[] bstix 2points1yearago

hismusicwillbeforgotten
No.Hismusichasalreadystoodthetestoftime.Forinstancethesong
"LifeonMars"isfrom1971.Totalmasterpiece.Youcantakeany
instrumentandplayitasbadlyasyouwantandyetstillrecognizethe
qualityofhiswork.Ifithadbeenarandomflukeluckypopsong,it
would'vebeenforgottenbynow.
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[] cbbuntz [S]1point1yearago

There'splentyofpopularmusicIdon'tlike.IthinktheDoorsareboringand
theEaglesputmeinabadmood,butIunderstandthatotherpeopleenjoy
them,soobviouslyit'sgoodmusictotheirfans.It'stotallyfineifyoudon't
 likehismusic,butdoyoureallythinkhemanagedtosell140millionrecords
solelybecausepeoplepretendtolikehismusicjusttolookcool?
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[] ThrewUpThrewAway 1point1yearago

Outofcuriosity,whatisgoodmusictoyou?
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[] PixlProphet 0points1yearago

Ihonestlymainlylistentoclassicaland194050standards(I'm35).
Butasfarascurrentmusic,artiststhatIliketolistento:Radiohead
(OKComputerisamasterpiece),PeterGabriel,Beatles,NineInch
Nails,ApexTwin,SigurRos,BenFolds,Sting,Tool,RayLaMontagne,
Wilco,Queen,BillyJoel,RoyOrbison,Jane'sAddiction,HueyLewis,
SarahMcLachlan,DaftPunk.Eventhoughsomeofthesemusicians,
technically,didn'tknowwhattheyweredoing...forsomereasonin
theircaseitdidn'tmatter.
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[] cbbuntz [S]3points1yearago

Niceselection.IalsolikeOKComputerbestoftheRadiohead
records.
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[] VisualOstrich 1point1yearago

Onemightarguethatyoudon'thavetoknowwhattheoryapart
correspondswithinordertoknowwhatyou'redoingwhenyou
writeit.
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[] PixlProphet 1points1yearago

No,trueemotionsells.Period.Obviously,hismusicisnotesotericoreven
bad,it'sjustnotgenius.Peopleboughtintowhathestoodfor.Madonnais
thesameway,notthatgreatofamusicianorsongwriterbutahellofa
businesswomanandperformerandabrandthatstandsforsomething
mostpeopleareinto.
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[] svenniola 2points1yearago

So,whatarethegeniusesthen?
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