Comparison Siemens and Honeywell/Alerton in Vietnam for Cn Th

project

Description Honeywell/Alerton Siemens

1. Field All sensors and filed device available such as valve, room and duct All sensors and filed device available such as valve, room and duct
Component temp and humidity sensors. temp and humidity sensors.
Sensors are with Class B accuracy for all HVAC application. Sensors are with Class B accuracy for all HVAC application.
Sensor is with Pt1000, Ni 1000 type with industry popular out signal Sensor is with Pt1000, Ni 1000 type with industry popular out signal
of 0-10V,4-20mA, RDT of 0-10V,4-20mA, RDT
Measurement accuracy of humidity sensor is 3% Sensors are only from high quality countries which are Germany,
Switzerland and USA country of origin.
Measurement accuracy of humidity sensor QFM3100 is 2%
2. Software AVAILABLE TO EXTEND AVAILABLE TO EXTEND
Command & Control Command & Control
Real-Time Information Real-Time Information
Scheduling Scheduling
Alarm Issue Management Alarm Issue Management
Status Reports Status Reports
Supervised Points Supervised Points
Audit Trail Audit Trail
Programming on DDC controller by LAPTOP On-line programming from server
3. DDC The Alerton configuration divided to Primary and and Secondary The Siemens Apogee configuration divided to Primary and
controller Network. Secondary network and Secondary Network.
and System
Primary network is High speed, Peer to Peer speed up to 10/100 Primary network is High speed, Peer to Peer speed up to 10/100
Configurati
MBps on TCP/IP network MBps. on BACnet IP network
on
Secondary network is Polling (Master/Slave) speed up to 9.6kBps to Secondary network is Polling (Master/Slave) speed up to 9.6kBps.
78kBps (Bacnet MS/TP) (N2) or 78kBps (LON)
All DDCs (VLC series) are connected in to and communicated via All DDCs (PXC Modular, PXC compact) are connected in to and
Secondary network. With max speed up to Bacnet MS/TP speed of communicated via Primary network. With max speed up
78kBps . to10/100MBps.
All DDCs have been driven and share the total 32MB memory of the All DDCs have been connected direct to Peer to Peer network
Network driver controller (BTI) TCP/IP then there are no Network driver controller
Memory RAM of each DDC is very small, use restricted ( no Memory RAM of each DDC is big (40MB RAM to 80MB RAM) .CPU
information provide in the data sheet) memory with NO battery back is 320 bit Motorola CPUs. Memory back up by Battery minimum
up. No data/trends/larm storgage 6days. With data/trends/larm storgage
Incase the BTI controller break down, the entire number of controller Incase one of DDC break down, the entire network is not affected
connected to this controller will lost the communication to server and since the communication are full Peer to Peer
also lost the data store in these BTI controller since they share its
memory of 256MB RAM.
 Data sheets of Alertons equipment are not clear and many important
data are not shown.
Dont support Adaptive Control Algorithm
Refer to independent Web page of USA department of Energy for
DDC control company information
http://www.ddc-online.org/manufacturers/DrawingPreview.aspx?plid=1
Data sheets of Siemens equipment are very clear and many
important data are clearly shown, based on that the DDC
performance is must better and higher class than DDC from Alerton.
DDC Built in Adaptive Control , an auto-adjusting closed
loop control algorithm. Adaptive Control provides more
efficient, adaptive, robust, fast, and stable control than
the traditional PID control algorithm. It is superior in
terms of response time, holding steady state, and
minimizing error, oscillations, and actuator repositioning.
(10% energy saving only with this Adaptive control
programming)
DDC and component are all made in USA and Switzerland
Refer to independent Web page of USA department of Energy for
DDC control company information
http://www.ddc-online.org/manufacturers/DrawingPreview.aspx?
plid=19

4. System Two or three tools and step need for the programming the entire The Entire Siemens Apogee system are programmable from an
programmi system. operator workstation or portable operators terminal using proprietary
ng and User line-based programming package (Powers Process Control
Alerton VisualLogic graphical tools installed in Laptop to program the
operation Language or PPCL) This language can be installed in Laptop to
DDCs.
possibility. program the DDCs. During commissioning.
During Operation, the user needs Johnson to provide engineer to
During Operation, the user can programming and simulates the
program each DDCs they want to reprogram or modify the program.
Engineer need to go to each DDC for programming via LAPTOP. control program from the Operator workstation and downloading
online to the controller without stop any controller operation. No need
Refer to independent Web page of USA department of Energy for of engineer to come to DDCs panel.
DDC control company information
The User Operation programming and modifying is very convenient
http://www.ddc-online.org/manufacturers/ProductPreview.aspx?
pid=403 and simple in Siemens Apogee system, especially fro large system.
Refer to independent Web page of USA department of Energy for
DDC control company information
http://www.ddc-online.org/manufacturers/products.aspx?plid=19
5. Local Honeywell has the representative office in HCMC and office Hanoi. Siemens has the representative office in HCMC and office Hanoi.
support in The main competencies people are in HCMC. The main competencies for Siemens are in both HCMC and Hanoi.
Vietnam
There is no Honeywell Partner in Vietnam who has done fully Siemens have strong Partner NTC, the NTC engineers have been
and the
engineering and commissioning to one BMS project in Vietnam, the trained by Siemens and have been completed many project for
popularity
Honeywell Employees in HCMC have to complete all commissioning Siemens.
of the
process.
product and Siemens have very experience Control and HVAC engineer in the
system No project reference for pharm and airport.
team some of them working for HVAC design consultant and HVAC
knowledge contractors before, their knowledge is very helpful in this VTV project
in Vietnam. with complicated HVAC system.

6. Product CO Only software and Network driver is USA, all Controllers from Mexico, All software, controller, sensors are from USA and Switzerland. Some
valve from China, sensor from China mainly. valve body from China but all valve actuator from EU.