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DEPOSITION EXHIBITS REFERENCE
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1 (WHEREUPON, the following proceedings were
3 Procedure:)
8 California. 01:43:11
19 appearing. 01:43:47
25 Gatt. 01:43:55
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1 MR. OKAMURA: Evan Okamura for Defendant 01:43:56
7 follows: 01:44:11
8 EXAMINATION 01:44:11
11 name and spell your last for the record, please. 01:44:14
15 A. No. 01:44:23
20 A. Yes. 01:44:32
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1 necessary, but I want to caution you, if you make a 01:44:44
7 A. Okay. 01:44:59
17 A. None. 01:45:15
25 in Iowa? 01:45:38
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1 A. General science and psychology. 01:45:39
3 A. 1967. 01:45:46
5 A. Yes. 01:45:52
7 A. 1970. 01:45:54
9 state? 01:45:59
10 A. In Colorado? 01:46:00
12 A. Yes. 01:46:02
14 A. Yes. 01:46:06
19 A. Yes. 01:46:24
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1 Q. How long have you been Associate General 01:46:45
2 Counsel? 01:46:47
7 A. Yes. 01:46:59
9 Counsel? 01:47:02
14 Q. Is he here? 01:47:15
18 boss? 01:47:24
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1 A. Yes, it is. 01:47:51
14 organizations. 01:48:44
23 members. 01:49:06
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1 represent the USOC and the United States of America? 01:49:14
5 Q. Okay. 01:49:31
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1 Paralympic and Pan American movement -- 01:50:21
6 Taekwondo? 01:50:42
7 A. I am. 01:50:44
19 A. Yes. 01:51:11
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1 organizations. 01:51:28
4 A. No. 01:51:35
6 A. No. 01:51:36
9 A. Yes. 01:51:44
20 Q. Okay. 01:52:18
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1 Q. For example? 01:52:31
7 Taekwondo. 01:52:48
19 the -- the -- the NGB. What other powers does the 01:53:23
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1 decertify an NGB is a -- a power it holds over 01:53:45
21 NGB? 01:54:40
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1 the funding of the NGBs? 01:54:56
4 programs. 01:55:04
10 NGBs? 01:55:19
11 A. No. 01:55:21
25 Q. Okay. 01:56:01
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1 A. When you say required, they are requested 01:56:03
4 consequences? 01:56:13
6 primarily. 01:56:18
9 A. Yes. 01:56:36
14 insurance that the USOC had requested, what are the 01:56:51
15 consequences? 01:56:53
18 NGB. 01:57:02
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1 Q. Sure. Go ahead. 01:57:19
10 main contact with the NGBs; the CEO or the Executive 01:57:46
11 Director? 01:57:52
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1 When do you first believe you communicated 01:58:22
6 A. 10. 01:58:36
19 with Ms. Sweet. She has reached out to me from time 01:59:15
20 to time. 01:59:20
23 A. Neutral. 01:59:28
25 generally, what are the -- what are you -- what are 01:59:37
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1 you guys talking about? 01:59:39
15 Ms. Sweet -- and I don't want you to imply from that 02:00:21
18 Taekwondo. 02:00:30
22 A. I am. 02:00:39
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1 Q. What's a Section 10 complaint? 02:00:48
12 please? 02:01:19
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1 A. Yes. 02:02:07
14 question. 02:02:56
19 Act. 02:03:17
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1 Q. All right. And what were the requirements 02:03:49
3 probation? 02:03:54
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1 not been processed. 02:05:01
6 correct? 02:05:19
7 A. It could. 02:05:20
14 A. -- anything. 02:05:47
18 right? 02:05:55
22 A. Yes. 02:06:01
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1 A. There is a hearing -- 02:06:10
2 Q. Yeah. 02:06:11
4 determination. 02:06:13
5 Q. Right. 02:06:13
21 A. Correct. 02:07:01
25 right? 02:07:14
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1 A. Correct. 02:07:14
20 Taekwondo? 02:08:27
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1 to have to say in this regard is to the extent you 02:08:39
18 who? 02:09:32
20 individuals. 02:09:38
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1 A. I believe he lives in New Jersey. 02:09:59
4 service? 02:10:10
11 extended. 02:10:33
15 of time. 02:10:43
17 probation? 02:10:49
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1 me is 18. Does that sound about right? 02:11:15
2 A. Yes. 02:11:19
5 A. No. 02:11:29
16 please. 02:11:43
21 A. It did. 02:12:03
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1 I believe, for part of the time frame. 02:12:20
10 A. I am not. 02:12:43
25 USOC. 02:13:37
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1 The USOC has a lot of priorities, if you 02:13:40
11 athletes? 02:14:07
21 upon the NGBs to make sure our athletes are safe? 02:14:32
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1 it's been phrased. 02:14:51
8 environment. 02:15:13
14 A. Yes. 02:15:31
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1 A. Would you repeat that question? 02:16:20
20 it again. 02:17:26
23 A. I did. 02:17:31
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1 some form of SafeSport by the end of 2013, right? 02:17:36
9 right? 02:18:01
10 A. Yes. 02:18:02
22 question? 02:18:47
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1 Do you have any background or training in 02:19:12
3 A. No. 02:19:17
8 Meloon? 02:19:40
16 A. Yes. 02:19:59
21 hearing? 02:20:10
23 complaint. 02:20:16
25 that? 02:20:22
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1 MS. HOLM: Vague and ambiguous. What do 02:20:22
4 have any -- you WERE aware that Mandy Meloon filed a 02:20:27
6 A. Yes. 02:20:32
8 A. Yes. 02:20:33
25 A. Correct. 02:21:13
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1 Q. Sometime in 2007, is that right? 02:21:14
9 right? 02:21:29
10 A. I have. 02:21:30
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1 for me to listen into those hearings to see what the 02:22:18
8 telephone? 02:22:41
13 A. Probably. 02:22:52
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1 about three or less? 02:23:29
13 of Conduct. 02:23:59
17 Meloon? 02:24:12
24 A. Yes. 02:24:30
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1 getting a copy of the arbitrator's decision? 02:24:31
10 right? 02:24:50
22 19. 02:25:17
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1 (Plaintiffs' Deposition Exhibit 20 was 02:25:20
2 identified.) 02:25:20
7 sorry. 02:25:51
22 damaging," when you read that sentence, did you have 02:26:30
25 tell Mr. Estey what you recall your thought process 02:26:43
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1 was, if any. 02:26:47
12 A. Yes. 02:27:22
16 Q. Right. 02:27:28
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1 to then go figure out what the arbitrator was trying 02:27:58
11 Q. Yes. 02:28:25
14 would hope that this message is not lost and the 02:28:32
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1 determine what the basis for this statement from the 02:29:06
13 about? 02:29:53
19 voiced. 02:30:05
25 me? 02:30:19
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1 A. And the United States -- and -- and USA 02:30:19
2 Taekwondo. 02:30:20
13 decision. 02:30:45
19 correct? 02:30:54
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1 Q. Yes. 02:31:13
14 message to the USOC and the U.S. -- and the NGBs? 02:31:47
18 case. 02:32:14
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1 participation issues, which is what this case dealt 02:32:35
22 hopes the USOC and the USAT aids in her transition 02:33:35
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1 right? 02:33:49
23 says, "One would hope that the USOC takes a serious 02:34:53
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1 athletes. Do you see that? 02:35:04
2 A. I do. 02:35:08
13 Q. Yeah. 02:35:37
24 opinion? 02:36:11
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1 issues, and that's why, since 2007 up through the 02:36:15
3 policies. 02:36:24
8 2013. 02:36:44
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1 education program for athletes. We've worked with 02:37:41
3 athletes. 02:37:48
13 athletes? 02:38:24
19 participants. 02:38:43
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1 in -- in '07, and from '07 to the time that 02:39:43
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1 operate in that role during the time period 2007 to 02:41:02
2 2011? 02:41:07
13 Q. Yeah. 02:41:25
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1 that, in 2010, there was a -- a -- there was a group 02:42:03
3 issues. 02:42:13
11 may have been individuals that have spoken with the 02:42:35
19 athletes? 02:42:59
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1 prior to 2013? 02:43:25
11 correct? 02:43:49
20 speaking. 02:44:08
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1 USOC whether or not there was an occasion where the 02:44:23
9 sentence? 02:44:55
17 to. 02:45:22
24 clarification. 02:45:37
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1 said you've seen where the arbitrator is sending a 02:45:38
16 recall. 02:46:25
24 Counsel. 02:46:42
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1 policies or procedures after this arbitrator's 02:46:49
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1 (Plaintiffs' Deposition Exhibit 21 was 02:47:58
2 identified.) 02:47:58
6 identified.) 02:48:33
12 sir. 02:49:05
14 before. 02:49:16
19 Sweet to, it looks like, you and -- and John Ruger, 02:49:31
20 right? 02:49:34
21 A. Correct. 02:49:38
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1 Q. Sweet, Ruger and Johansen. 02:49:51
5 Okay. 02:49:58
10 A. Yes. 02:50:20
12 bit. 02:50:23
18 that was filed against the USOC and USA Taekwondo. 02:50:44
21 Q. In 2016? 02:50:52
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1 Q. All right. And so when she says, "Before 02:51:08
9 school. 02:51:47
16 A. Correct. 02:52:06
20 Q. Yes. 02:52:14
23 right? 02:52:19
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1 been -- had been suspended allegedly as of October 02:52:25
2 '13? 02:52:27
8 what you're talking about, or did you write back and 02:52:43
18 of Gitelman? 02:53:11
23 Q. Okay? 02:53:20
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1 Q. Okay. All right. At least as of March of 02:53:24
10 on? 02:53:56
11 A. An email. 02:53:56
12 Q. From? 02:53:57
14 Q. To whom? 02:54:01
21 A. I do not. 02:54:17
23 USAT? 02:54:20
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1 MS. HOLM: Well, objection. It's 02:54:23
22 year? 02:55:11
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1 A. I don't recall. I may have forwarded it 02:55:27
7 A. I have. 02:55:53
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1 Q. All right. How many other hearings were 02:57:01
14 A. Yes. 02:57:29
18 A. Correct. 02:57:37
20 that one of the -- the NGBs coaches has been accused 02:57:40
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1 thousands of athletes and members of various 02:57:59
17 right? 02:58:51
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1 email or not. 02:59:29
6 Arrington, but I see that the email was sent to her. 02:59:38
20 p.m.) 03:08:04
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1 have athletes? 03:08:36
2 A. Correct. 03:08:38
5 A. Yes. 03:08:48
10 Q. Sure. 03:09:07
12 please? 03:09:18
17 anywhere that Mr. Blackmun was the one who actually 03:09:26
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1 A. Well, you asked the question. Suspend 03:09:53
7 you've asked a couple of times now about who did the 03:10:08
8 suspension -- 03:10:11
11 it. 03:10:12
13 heard that USOC was the -- the entity that suspended 03:10:12
14 Lochte? 03:10:15
18 the agreement that was made between Mr. Lochte and 03:10:22
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1 don't know what you mean by "suspend Mr. Lochte." 03:10:50
14 concerns. 03:11:31
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1 on record saying that USOC suspended Lochte. And if 03:11:47
8 that you want to now argue about with regard to what 03:12:07
9 Mr. Blackmun may have said about Mr. Lochte in 2016. 03:12:10
13 problem. 03:12:23
20 between USA Swimming and the USOC and Mr. Lochte. 03:12:48
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1 MS. HOLM: This either calls for a "yes" 03:13:11
2 or "no." 03:13:13
3 A. Yes. 03:13:13
10 Q. Sure. 03:13:27
12 I'm saying what role did USOC have, if any, in the 03:13:29
22 Q. (By Mr. Estey) And when you say the USOC 03:14:07
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1 members of the National Governing Body. We send 03:14:33
3 Games. 03:14:41
6 A. No. 03:14:52
15 identified.) 03:15:38
19 if you have emails that are in the same time frame, 03:15:54
22 well -- 03:16:01
25 responses. 03:16:05
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1 MR. ESTEY: Probably. But, unfortunately, 03:16:07
6 A. Okay. 03:16:39
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1 sexual predator is continuing to coach, that doesn't 03:17:41
18 A. Yes. 03:18:16
22 right? 03:18:21
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1 A. She asked me my thoughts on how to respond 03:18:26
4 regard? 03:18:33
18 may have asked you this. Do you know why Lyons is 03:19:17
25 Q. Okay. 03:19:32
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1 A. So I'm assuming that's why she sent it. 03:19:32
7 else? 03:20:10
10 22. 03:20:32
13 identified.) 03:20:32
16 Sweet. 03:21:02
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1 Q. All right. Well, this -- these emails are 03:21:35
16 athletes? 03:22:12
25 Q. Okay. 03:22:40
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1 A. Again, this was USA Taekwondo. My 03:22:40
6 were you satisfied with the approach that USAT was 03:22:58
12 process. 03:23:17
15 satisfied. 03:23:21
20 Q. All right. And did you ever find out that 03:23:36
25 allegation. 03:23:51
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1 Q. Okay. And as Assistant General Counsel 03:23:51
7 counsel for USOC, did that concern you that this 03:24:04
9 at tournaments? 03:24:12
13 answer. 03:24:23
18 anything, did you do when you were told that he was 03:24:32
25 identified.) 03:24:55
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1 Q. (By Mr. Estey) All right. Let's show you 03:24:56
15 on because -- 03:25:24
24 have Exhibit 23 March 10, 2014, 11:43 a.m., the one 03:25:44
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1 MS. HOLM: That's what I have. 03:25:50
3 24. 03:25:53
10 says March 10, 2014, at 11:43 a.m. Is that this one 03:26:28
11 here? 03:26:32
12 No. 03:26:33
14 but -- 03:26:49
21 23 then. 03:27:01
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1 of those things. 03:27:12
4 sir? 03:27:19
5 A. I do. 03:27:20
10 issue? 03:27:36
15 last? 03:27:54
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1 general recollection that I asked Mr. Hess what was 03:28:17
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1 grievance process in place, the USOC can suspend or 03:29:29
25 look at these other ones, and if they are same dates 03:31:02
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1 and stuff like that, just so you can make sure you 03:31:05
5 identified.) 03:31:13
8 A. I do. 03:31:16
14 right? 03:31:31
22 A. Correct. 03:31:49
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1 Q. All right. And, "Also, there is no reason 03:32:03
17 coaching. 03:33:03
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1 suspension being issued and enforced." 03:33:22
5 email. 03:33:29
12 identified.) 03:33:43
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1 Q. How were you instrumental in that passage 03:34:28
20 to there? 03:35:14
24 as well. 03:35:24
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1 effort to bring a consensus -- consensus among those 03:35:28
2 organizations. 03:35:31
22 10 complaints. 03:36:33
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1 A. That's correct. 03:36:43
16 Seminar? 03:37:38
21 A. I -- 03:37:46
24 identified.) 03:38:11
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1 recollection? 03:38:12
2 A. Yes. 03:38:13
6 A. Yes. 03:38:26
9 A. Correct. 03:38:33
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1 recorded. 03:39:51
12 identified.) 03:40:29
20 A. Yes. 03:41:06
23 A. Yes. 03:41:12
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1 the NGBs can enter into, correct? 03:41:21
12 A. 27. 03:42:03
16 A. Correct. 03:42:20
24 pursuant to which NGBs may and may not use athlete 03:42:44
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1 with regard to commercial rights." Do you see that 03:42:54
2 there? 03:42:56
3 A. Yes. 03:42:56
6 which -- which the NGBs may or may not use athlete 03:43:06
9 has set forth what it believes its poli- -- the NGB 03:43:16
13 Page 2. 03:43:27
23 consequences. 03:43:55
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1 Under "Athletes' Right to Use Specialized 03:43:58
2 Equipment." 03:44:02
8 A. Um-hum. 03:44:21
14 correct? 03:44:34
16 Charter. 03:44:38
19 identified.) 03:44:40
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1 All right. So you know Askinas? 03:45:10
2 A. I do. 03:45:12
12 Q. Okay. 03:45:39
18 complaint. 03:45:55
20 right? 03:45:58
22 paragraph? 03:46:01
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1 appears to have been published in August 18th, 2011 03:46:08
5 this. 03:46:28
19 or -- 03:47:01
21 A. My understanding is -- 03:47:04
23 A. Right. 03:47:08
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1 filed by Mr. Robinson. 03:47:13
9 identified.) 03:48:11
11 this email from Susan Lyons dated March 10th, 2014? 03:48:17
13 yes. 03:48:25
24 chain. 03:48:54
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1 it's just a -- 03:48:55
5 maybe 23, just to make sure you can see them all. 03:49:09
7 10th. 03:49:30
15 them. 03:49:59
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1 MR. ESTEY: Well, I know, but I'm -- 03:50:27
6 you get to ask and ask the same question to get an 03:50:37
20 to there? 03:50:59
22 question, does this witness know what she meant when 03:51:32
24 again"? 03:51:39
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1 MS. HOLM: Okay. Object. Calls for 03:51:40
10 A. No. 03:52:05
20 in 2014? 03:52:37
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1 Q. Okay. 03:52:50
11 person. 03:53:20
18 complaint. 03:53:40
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1 THE WITNESS: Yes. 03:53:55
20 A. No. 03:54:54
23 A. I do not. 03:55:03
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1 A. The USOC has a stipend program. 03:55:20
8 Q. Okay. 03:55:47
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1 Q. All right. Who is included in Team USA? 03:56:45
25 EXAMINATION 03:58:24
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1 BY MR. LITTLE: 03:58:25
6 Neuberger? 03:59:00
14 USOC? 03:59:25
15 A. In 1999. 03:59:26
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1 A. I -- I -- I don't know. 04:00:11
8 A. No. 04:00:35
14 What -- 04:00:43
17 Michigan University, and saw two dorms with the USOC 04:00:51
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1 site. I don't know if it still is. 04:01:15
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1 today. 04:02:30
3 A. I do. 04:02:33
11 correct? 04:02:47
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1 Sidley Austin? 04:03:22
2 A. I am. 04:03:24
7 for -- 04:03:34
9 question. 04:03:37
22 record. 04:03:58
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1 discussion. 04:04:07
3 has ever asked Sidley Austin -- the law firm Sidley 04:04:09
16 terminated? 04:04:42
20 A. No. 04:04:53
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1 4:05 p.m. 04:05:03
3 p.m.) 04:15:31
7 identified.) 04:15:41
14 A. No. 04:16:09
17 A. Yes. 04:16:14
22 A. I do not. 04:16:32
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1 A. I am not. 04:16:39
3 self-insured? 04:16:44
5 Q. Is it now? 04:16:48
11 it's -- 04:17:06
12 Q. Yeah -- 04:17:06
13 A. -- compounded. 04:17:06
22 A. I do not. 04:17:28
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1 Did the USOC have the power to cut back on 04:17:37
12 here. 04:18:17
20 A. Two. 04:18:35
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1 Q. Okay. And so what is -- Marquette, 04:18:47
3 A. Correct. 04:18:51
4 Q. Okay. 04:18:52
13 McConnell. 04:19:22
22 Q. It -- it -- 04:19:54
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1 NGBs have specific sexual abuse and molestation 04:20:05
2 insurance? 04:20:09
5 that? 04:20:13
14 now? 04:20:40
23 A. Yes. 04:21:04
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1 A. I do not. 04:21:12
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1 Blackmun work at prior to coming US -- what's Scott 04:22:22
8 Committee? 04:22:40
10 have been with Holmes Roberts & Owen, but I don't 04:22:46
19 requirement? 04:23:13
23 Code. 04:23:22
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1 WADA, but the World Anti-Doping Code. 04:23:27
4 A. When you say "Team USA," I'm not sure what 04:23:33
10 information. 04:23:55
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1 the best of your knowledge, can they compete in the 04:24:30
10 Q. Okay. 04:24:57
16 thing. 04:25:11
22 games? 04:25:22
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1 committee in Salt Lake, correct? 04:25:28
2 A. No. 04:25:31
20 correct? 04:26:21
25 correct? 04:26:34
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1 A. No. Not -- not -- not during the 04:26:35
2 competition. 04:26:38
3 Q. Okay. So -- 04:26:40
5 sponsor. 04:26:42
25 apparel. 04:27:43
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1 Q. Okay. In fact, USOC requested that they 04:27:44
2 pack nothing but USOC apparel for their trip to Rio 04:27:47
10 Q. Okay. 04:28:07
23 A. Yes. 04:28:56
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1 Q. Okay. Now, do you know if she was an 04:29:02
4 Q. Okay. 04:29:09
15 A. By airplane. 04:29:36
21 2008? 04:29:50
22 A. I do not. 04:29:51
25 A. I do not. 04:29:57
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1 Q. How about Jean Lopez? 04:29:58
21 California? 04:31:04
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1 correct? 04:31:14
2 A. Correct. 04:31:15
6 right? 04:31:21
19 that the AAA has that only hears sports matters. 04:32:01
22 Saichek? 04:32:14
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1 Q. Do you know if he's deceased? 04:32:19
22 Department. 04:33:26
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1 A. Yes. 04:33:36
6 deposition, you could add his name and the Risk 04:33:49
10 going through, okay. I'm sure we can find this out 04:34:00
17 A. No. 04:34:17
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1 on the committee, or he volunteered to be on the 04:34:36
2 committee. 04:34:39
8 A. Biathlon? 04:34:50
9 Q. Biathlon. 04:34:51
18 Q. Yes. 04:35:20
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1 A. I do not. 04:35:37
3 A. No. 04:35:39
9 case? 04:35:52
10 A. No. 04:35:53
12 A. No. 04:35:54
14 A. No. 04:35:59
18 ones. 04:36:11
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1 understanding. 04:36:56
16 p.m.) 04:37:26
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1 A. I do not. 04:38:19
5 USOC? 04:38:37
10 Michigan? 04:39:00
14 A. No. 04:39:22
17 name. 04:39:29
23 question. 04:39:47
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1 EXAMINATION 04:39:50
15 Bodies. 04:40:41
19 A. Yes. 04:40:55
24 somebody? 04:41:11
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1 brochure, but there would have been some notice; 04:41:13
12 correct? 04:41:39
13 A. Correct. 04:41:40
18 correct? 04:41:57
25 agenda. 04:42:20
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1 A. It appears that's correct. 04:42:21
7 Just? 04:42:42
11 EXAMINATION 04:42:48
21 of that? 04:43:14
25 Q. Okay. 04:43:24
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1 A. For US athletes. 04:43:24
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1 I, GARY JOHANSEN, hereby certify that I 10:58:11
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