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Can you work there for just 20 seconds

Raman can get you to do the move again from that computer to that...yeah

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voice mail picks


phone rings up phone hangs up

phone rings voice

answers1
Hi Raman

Gordon is Hubie there

Yeah hes here hang on just second

Hi there

There is one small mistake actually in the make file dot win laughter we need to

add one more...background conversation and camera direction.../

What Im doing is Im going to add two files

Is that the last one you needed changed

Uh dont know yet Im still building

Oh youre still
building youre still building

Yeah you need to...not yet havent made the change Im going to make the

change pull it down on the PC and then then well do the were not ready yet

Oh so Ill plan on going over there in about half an hour

Yeah yeah let us make sure that these are yeah around yeah So made the

change do you want me to check it in voices fade..

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How tough for you is this

Which build

On your windows machine

its fresh build

huh

Its fresh pull no Fresh pull and build So it is the same as what were going to

try there Uh it would be uh if it works here it should work there

So good Raman Uh what directory is it on now

Now Java

Mac Java takes like second to compile so

Not yet had down UNTX


to bring the files from the to the PC am right

OK so you havent started to build again

Yeah no not yet ..yeah. .Im going to bring down the file from there and then

it
start again

..removed couple of them like removed that and ..um ..so Im trying to verify

that none of these have project that depend upon them. .so the builds OK if it

gets
down to. .here Im stuck on the last one only have one left with problem

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We want to make sure those guys build correctly

Right

And it looks like both of them have been have built OK so now think it is just

now making sure that


nothing else broke Which we havent else
patched anything

anywhere so dont think there will be any problems So think feel lot more

comfortable than 10 minutes because now we have


ago built both Sun Java and

Nay Java so it should be OK

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Sounds good

Sounds good OK see you then

So how so are we going over

Do you want to wait..

Are we going over now

No did you tag it


already Huby

Yeah did laughter

Sony hes here Sorry he has tagged becaseu he needs to have just tag for the

new file that we check in..

Oh OK thats the Nay Java file..

Oh youre not tagging it OK very good So we dont need to do anything so

maybe we can go there and start it OK See you there

OK do you want to start over again OK lets do it

think youve built


already right its Nay Java is the only thing weve changed

Yeah Nay Java and Sun Java on those two we are verifying And JPEG we

changed and Lib Mocha we changed And those are OK So the files..

You build those by hand

think yeah before yeah so we can start doing it Actually it is already past that

its already one


stage doing away past that Its only the link problems if there are

any which we dont know yet think we should be OK


Did you have link problems the last time around

no

OK then were fine...we


might get home tonight

Never ending story laughs wed all like to


go home maybe today well go home

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Hey Gordon Do you want to come

Ill be over in minute

OK we dont have ..everything is there right..

Tara got the mail

Did you read the mail

havent read the mail but we said OK lets go...I think it looks OK
Yeah Gordon has his Mac Build records

OK so do you have your back up too

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camera direction Were entering the build building here

Music playing

TH Right so were set to do builds but what we want to do is do Java tip right

Uh no weve got new module to be tagged

TH new module

Yeah we read your e-mail

TH Of course you did Yells Come here

OK printing out Java instructions

Oh thank you for the Jenga We prefer stock options but

Ml Actually Jengas might be more valuable this current universe you went
is If to

Lea
sale market you could Tara
actually get money for your Jengas called you and then

left Now shes over there yelling for


you Hurry up and get back here

She saw me Um Brian is looking for you he needs some information from you

Ill
go find him

Hes not hei.call on the phone of just send an e-mail or something He needed

some copyright information

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So are you actually going to flip the switch

Tara is...so..

Tara is....and shell be back

Tara never goes home

TH live here same fine fashions Ive been wearing for 36 hours OK so what do

we got Uh must do plot will


go kitty Uh um set Moz Java for UNIX and

Win Mac were using project files Add to CVs module1/so the stuff that we have

to remove we can leave til


tomorrow we dont care if we have extra stuff..

Uh for Mac you have to remove em beca.seu of the way the project files work..

TH Tell me again why were supporting Macintosh OK hang on second is that

Weinstein saying hes ready to hit the tree

Yes

Were all coming at the same time

TH Laughs All right uh..

He should wait yes

TH How many files is he touching

Its all the make files..

TH For Windows

For Windows yeah ..about 10

Were doing UNIX Windows

TH Make files

No we attached think two or three Two make files and..

Make file dot win

No not top load make files

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Were not touching make files were restoring switch into make files

TH Right youve already touched the make files

think except one or two two make files arent attached

TH Is the make file


change hes checking in require switch

Do they require switch the ones youre checking in

TH Like we sent no security and his stuff enables

Hold on just second say that again Tara

TH you there

Yeah

OK turn him up So the make file changes youre checking in those are only

gonna be we have to set no security otherwise your changes arent enabled right

Correct

TH All right

So this all means that if


you set no security itll work

TH Right If we dont set no security we should see no difference

You should yeah

TH Laughs You dont sound confident enough but yeah

Thats my belief

TH Dammed didnt want these two hitting at the same time OK this is what were

gonna do

can if you want me to wait an hour or two thats fine

TH Its gonna be at least that long is that all right The other thing we can do is can

take your changes on them and then we can


separate machine test check em in as

soon as we finish all the verifications

If you package em up and send em to us

Um Id rather
just wait and do it

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TH All right urn what we can do is as soon as we finish the pulls on our platforms

you can start


your check ins

OK just let me know when

FF1 Aliright

How long do you think its gonna be

TH Urn the pull shouldnt take rnore than 30 minutes trying to be conservative

OK

TH All right

Ott other question um got some mail frorn Chris Yei about the Mac urn it

wasnt clear and assume that since havent heard that went
screaming it

smoothly and theyre OK there...do you now for sure or whats going on there
TH Theyre not done yet theyre still looking and thing about things um there was

of additions that
couple Christ put on your list of things that he thought needed to

happen that you wouldnt know about cause its this weird Mac stuff urn weve

got Scott Collins and Cathy Brady looking at it and theyll let us know when

theyre done

OK

TH So um but these check ins doesnt effect that in any case any way right

Um well theres the stuff that Im changing that will probably make it more likely

to work

TH Oh well OK thats good

laughter

Theres couple that ran into The UNIX


little changes problem was on was

doing Moz light and ran into few things that broke on Moz rnedium urn

TH So is uh Don McAslins running into problems breaking in Moz rnedium also

Yeah so have of
couple part my changes will fix that

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TH Did you hear that

heard of that
part

TH OK All right uh

Yeah just let me know when youre ready for me to


go

TH All right were gonna kick off the pulls in about actually were gonna kickoff the

in about ten minutes and then Ill call in about half an hour
polls give you

OK

TH All right bye

OK so were not testing Moz Medium

TH Im not gonna worry about that right now All right now Gordons not ready

No Mac stuff is done...so want to not do the Mac tonight as far as like the

module changes that .1 just want to ignore that want to pretend that doesnt exist

for the time being until we get people that are all ready to go on it

Is anything gonna break becaseu were doing it that way


TH Well were gonna find out arent we

guess so

TH OK
think its easy to make changes to anyway do

TH Right. .0K all right Then were taking...Im gonna pull this by hand dont

want to change the modules file yet Let me do all this verification all at the same

time

OK..

TH Whats this Oh Java stub all

These are new modules

TH How are these modules different from these directories

Um this is Sun Java

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TH gotcha OK did give you so you see what weve got to do All right you do

Windows Ill do IRI and ..oh Raman Sarah

Nice to meet you

TH Youve met him He spent lot of time here like you

Gordon was just talking about you was just saying was gonna ignore

Macintosh until tomorrow cause you not ready to go in

Why Im probably gonna go in before Scott

Oh really OK

was just coordinating with Scott and Cathy

TH So when is this glorious thing going to take place

Sometime before tomorrow morning

TH Before tomorrow morning

Yeah talked with Chris and Scott about this earlier

TH Last heard you werent going to be in until tomorrow So this is news to me

Who said that

TH You two told me..

They lied

Yeah yeah we didnt know that you were that close to that actually

TH OKOK
So he is
very excited He doesnt like his family he likes to work

\TH Were all excited were all excited OK well thats good news OK urn

It just coordinating the only thing that you have to


worry about is
coordinating

the changes to the modules files


concerning the Mac modules

So tell me youre not going to be to build for at least five hours


ready

Oh really can wait five hours If


you dont want me to
go in for five hours can

wait for five hours Im sure could find something to fill the

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TH want to put these guys in then got to pull Weinstein in and then can pull you

in And Im trying to be conservative in


my time estimates

see What does what does Weinstein have to do

TH Were throwing the switch on security in Windows

So you just want to run verification

TH We actually we could probably put you in at the same time now that think about it

becaseu youre not going to be...stopping each other its just Mac

Uh for the Macs you need to remove all the Sun Java and Nay Java directories..

TH Right so OK heres what were gonna do Were gonna do you two first and

then Im gonna tell Weinstein he can start checking in when we finish the pull and

then youre going to start doing you stuff at the same time Im making the

modifications to the modules You know what we gotta finish the verification

before check in Cause we have


if to do something hideous...now let me think

about this The only module wed have to change is Mac tonight right OK Ill

call
you Give me an hour

Sure

THjjLJ
No we changed the module right to get rid of Nay Java

TH Right but the make wont care right

Well we never changed whats already checked out..

The build..

For the Mac you did clobber builds

Clobber..

No no no on the Mac it removes everything it


wipes it out clean So its not

problem for Mac

TH Im just gonna verify right now that nothing really hideous has happened to the

build

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keyboard clicking

TH All right talks to self Is that right Is it under bar or is it not

Urn Moz Java should not be set

No it doesnt matter actually...becaseu Moz Java is the Main thing actually

TH Oh then what do need to do is set Netscape hierarchy...why did Brian pick such

horrible thing its hard to spell

...what
happened to Moz

TH To Moz Cause this is internal right so were specifying its internal

environment variable Mozillas external OK so theres Mozilla client...why

cant get...what was the other one Moz Java .oh no security OK Oops

wrong one

Were supposed to buy Tara tequilas

TH Ohyeah

When we make mistakes

So she has lots of tequilas

TH Yeah Im starting...lve gotten lot of tequila bottles from the Java team over the

past year and half

We are very good people laughs

TH Well it
depends on how you look at it

We like to share

TH laughs All right does my environment look good

Weve been good though weve been..

TH Yeah you guys at least cough up Theres couple people that are six months they

still havent coughed up their bottles All right. .move....OK think were ready

this all looks good so the have to care Client Source


thing about..sigh...pull

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Product UNIX and then need to pull these those three directories and ..create

new oh do these need to be created or have you already done it

Modules we havent created them

TH These

Right thats correct

TH You havent created those Lets do that right now while were waiting for this to

finish

Do you have the mail

TH Not here its on my windows laptop which it would be easier to type it in than me

trying to get it over

In them mail...

TH yeah right here

Yeah you generally could have..

you want me to carry floppy here

No no no if that is on UNIX disk it can..

TH Oh do you even have floppy drive

Yeah its actually my home directory..

So you can use that file file urn project X..

Slash uh build in for java-ectomy BE

TH Is this it

Yeah its somewhere in there its big file

TH Cramming

Sop we can modify e-Max macro system...its all right ..dont get angry

TH No no no you do it dont do e-max B-max is..

Should do it

TH Doit

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OK Ill make it easier uh

TH The modules files is in this directory

No Ill just modify this file this..Java-ectomy dot..

Well the Java module you dont need to cut..

TH So were creating these new ones right

Yeah so that we can just...

By the
way you dont need to move them over there moved already you just

need to cut the top off

Oh OK then we can do it...get out of the way...Im so nervous Im so nervous

TH Yeah just look at it this way Raman

Raman just go get the tequila right now laughs

TH You cant do any worse than people have been doing in the past week

You just cut all the lines down...there should be check in an well

TH Right here. .so that is line 59 OOPS delete 59 lines So are these these are the

five that we care about right

Yeah it will probably take another 20 minutes to get the build

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Tara when will we see success or...how long

TH Um about an hour and half to two hours were gonna start seeing some results

Were building theres two things that were gonna be doing for verification One

is the uh the actually clean builds that well do on these systems and then well

simultaneously be watching tinderbox to see what the continuous builds are doing

And between this and tinderbox were the


actually covering spectrum of possible

build scenarios Theres the 311 iratch clobber and then dependencies and that

way well know that


nothing broke or what broke

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Is Jeff Back in his office

Uh probably

Or is he hiding

TH Uh think hes here somewhere dont think hes working from home

Um so we want to put these right here...so hes check Jeff Weinstein is actually

checking in..

Right now

TH Yeah

think weve got this covered why dont we go over there

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