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L: When did the government arrive with the 30% with Justice Jardeleza?
C: Actually I just read this afternoon
L: Just arrived with the goal of martial law, 30% degrading, only this afternnon?
C: Yes
L: Binding the commander in chief?
L: Committing to the court of degradation of 70% as a goal this year and this is the position
of the govt
C; Yes
L: Binding Duterte?
C: No answer
L: I dont see that here
C: I will explain to him what happened here and will revert to you
L: The president has his own mind, his own goals. You are alter egos and adviser to the
president --
L: Therefore you cannot commit to this court?
C: Yes, because it came from the military group
L: This 30, was this discussed to the congress?
C: I wasnt there
L: It was in the statement of the secretary (Lorenzana) but the congress did not push and
ask what is the goal of 1 year
L: So possible to have a extension in 2020?
C; Yes
L: 2021?
C: yes
L: 2022?
C: Yes hopefully
L: So this is the new normal in Mindanao (Martial law) Considering that the rebel has been
resilient for 50 years
There will still be kidnapping (redo?) -- are u telling the SC that the extension will not only 2,
but 3, 4, 5, 6
C: It depends with the policy of the 30% degradation which will start this year, if we cannot
attain it, why not
L: but it is not the goal of the commander in chief
L: Correct? Not yet?
C: I cannot predict the future
L: Human?!
L: We went thru alot of submission attributed arson, a feud, kidnapping to rebellion is not
that correct?
C: I have not read that but i was given now the correct data, and submitted and explaub
L: Submitted to the congress, the ones that you gave to the supreme court?
C: To be candid, i was not able to read the statistics
L: Possible that it is diff that what was given to the conngress and was given to us
C; Idk
L: I am 100% sure, in fact, General Lorenzo presented to us that the ppt he presented to us
is more detailed than what he submitted to us, correct?
C: Yes
L: because the congress came before us, it is entirely possible that what was given to cong
was different
C: That is possible, but i have no personal knowledge on that
L; Sufficiency of factual basis must require some level of credibility and consistency,
correct?
C: Yes but it has been rectified
L: A while ago, it was mentioned that ML will be lifted if treat groups will no longer "impose
their will on the people" -- this is Gen Lorenzo, correct? During the presentation
C: Yes
L: "Rebellion will no longer exist when rebellion groups will no longer impose their will on
the people"
C: Y
L: are they all rebels? some POV, theyre criminals and they just do kidnapping and thats
all? in the name of some pseudo religion which is not really Islam. In any case, is it the
postion of the govt that all fraction of the BIFF are now affliated with the DI?
C: Thats what i heard, Ive gathered
L: Lack of detail that was presented to the court about these groups and made to appear as
if all them carried the same ideology. BIFF especially
L: Would you know where toraife comes from?
C: Can I ask my clients
L: They pulled out the BIFF and created their own group
L: There were 12 monthly reports given to us, were this all furnished to the senate?
C: I think so
L: The addresee is only the speaker of the hoouse, was also the senate?
C: both houses
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C: I was informed that they submitted 3 copies: OP, HoR and Senate
L: I notice that in the submission given to us, there was no receiving stamp
L: Official receipt letter - acknowledgement receipt with tracking, recieved by, date and time
received
The information was just given by the military and we just put it in the comment
30,000 army
is it not sufficient that the military has been deployed and called out the armed forces
We quoted the Maria Sison, this numbers did not come from the military, i dont know where
you got these numbers
Probably but accgd to the military abt 50% of their strenght is in Minsanado
but ml is not declared in Luzon and Visayas, so they can always transfer
if you hit one side, they can always move to another, correct?
C: yes
In your statement, there is no intention to create a cali faith but join a global insurgency
WIth the Debuckle with ISIS in cyria, nearby islamic state, go global, in middle east
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Sufficiency on factual basis - requires atleast the information is credible, consistent and
complete, would u agree?
Yes
To be credible, the sources of information are transparent to the court and that the
validation process is air tight
Yes
When the submission to this court, is incomplete, incosistent or unrelated to the matter at
hand, that is the existence of rebellion or invasion, then there is no presumption of govt
regularity, is that not correct?
Yes
Prior to the ML, if only lawless violence that happens, or agrupation of lawless violence, the
Military is not prohibited to call out the military
Yes
Would u a gree that the degree of judicial review, or the scrutiny that is involved when the
president as cic calls out the armed forces is less than when he declares ML?
Yes
Battle of hearts and minds, I heard it so often, do you recall where it came from
In vietnam by a certain Col. Lansdeil when inaguarted the anti insurgency, using an
occupying force
created the concept of balikatan, whole of nation approach, not only military but also
civillian
1600 communist
575 violent extremist
can be taken by good governance
Yes
WITHO
CHECK POINT
BUS POINTS
ATTENDANCE oF LGU
Series of programs to counter violent extremist and serious program to build good
governace than ml
yes
is it in proclamation 216
in the paragraphs
Maute and the Marawi Conflaguration
When we try to find out if there are acts in furtherance of rebellion we have to make sure
that it is not only the agrupation of lawless violence attributed carelessly to rebellion and
must make sure that it is actually rebellion
Yes