address: D-13359

address: BERLIN
address: Germany
mnt-by: MNT-CB3ROB
phone: +31 87 8747479
e-mail: hostmaster@cb3rob.net
admin-c: CBRC1-RIPE
tech-c: CBRC1-RIPE
nic-hdl: CBRC1-RIPE
changed: hostmaster@cb3rob.net 20090619
source: RIPE
I attempted to send this DMCA notice directly via email the contact provided on the
WHOIS database (contact@novamov.com) for novamov.com. I have, despite
several
notices, received no response nor have the infringing links been removed from the
page:
We would appreciate it if you could forward this notification to the appropriate party
at novamov.com.
Since your company in located in Berlin, please be advised that the infringed film is
being distributed in Germany by (Pro-Fun Media). They have been cc:d on this
notice.
Thank you.
Ellen Seidler
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: DMCA Copyright Infringement Notification/novamov.com
From: eseidler@fastgirlfilms.com
Date: Thu, April 15, 2010 5:24 pm
To: ops@RIPE.NET
Cc: contact@novamov.com

April 15, 2010

Subject: Notice of Copyright Infringement
I am the duly authorized representative of Fast Girl Films, LLC, the exclusive rights
holder for the feature film, “And Then Came Lola.”
We request that the all files and/or links related to the film “And Then Came Lola” be
removed immediately from the following URL:
http://www.novamov.com/video/hj2wpfroq0skq
Thus far, despite numerous request, the multiple illegal files on "novamov.com" have
not been removed from the site. According to records "Ripe.net" hosts
the servers that serve this domain/website and so you are being contacted. If the
files are not removed we will also be in contact with BREIN and our
distributor in The Netherlands (Cinemien).
We request that any and all illegal files containing the film "And Then Came Lola" be
removed immediately.
I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described above as
allegedly infringing is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent,
or the law.
This letter is official notification under the provisions of Section 512(c) of the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”) to effect removal of the
above-reported infringements. I request that you immediately issue a cancellation
message as specified in RFC 1036 for the specified postings and prevent the
infringer, who is identified by its Web address, from posting the infringing film files to
your servers in the future. Please be advised that law requires
you, as a service provider, to “expeditiously remove or disable access to” the
infringed film upon receiving this notice. Noncompliance may result in a
loss of immunity for liability under the DMCA.
I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate
and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf
of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
You can reach me at xoxoxoxooxo for further information or clarification. My phone
number is 510-517-4650 and my mailing address is Ellen
Seidler, Fast Girl Films, LLCcxxx
I hereby request that you remove or disable access to this material as it appears on
your service in as expedient a fashion as possible.
Thank you.
Ellen Seidler
Co-Producer/Co-Director
And Then Came Lola

Hi,

The real spammers we refer to are actually companies like mediasentry and
websherriff that besides knowing better keep harassing us and tons of other isps by
automatically sending email (lots of it too ;)

trying megavideo and the other streaming sites, indeed makes hell a lot more sense,
as that's where the streams come from in the end,

most of our clients in this field simply link there, and most of the video-stream
hosters actually DO comply with the dmca and dmca-like regulations.

The annoying thing is companies like disney inc (most recently ;) trying to force us
to cut off the piratebay (by trying to punch holes and undermining provider
immunity), dispite the fact that the piratebay itself does not "distribute" anything, it
merely connects people that want to exchange files, regardless of which kind of file,
in the end it's the end users that publish content.

I can see you went for the conventional model of DVD distribution, however,
considering the profit margin on that, why not just sell your movie online on your
own website in the 50 cent-2 euro price range, surely the profit margin on that is a
LOT higher than having the entire distribution chain of distributors, truck drivers,
shops, etc taking the profits away, and the market is global.

If you simply make it possible to download your movie from your website, maybe the
itunes store, or amazon (i think they do that too), nobody in his right mind would go
for a crappy flash based stuttering low-resolution watch-movies-online kinda thing if
they can have a fast download of the full HD version, without having to spend hours
in going to a shop, parkign the car, buying a dvd (if its in stock), going home,
putting the thing in the player, etc (its a lot more work ;).

In our years of conducting business online (we used to do mass domain registration
and mass shared webhosting, nowadays that would be called cloud computing), we
found that people will gladly become your customer if you simply make it EASY
enough for them to register and pay online with instant delivery of the services, I
guess the same goes for music and movies as otherwise the itunes store would not
be there ;)

We actually wrote something very simular to the itunes store. way before they
(apple inc) did (1998-1999) which now is at www.huge.nl, it's dysfunctional because
its ugly and the payment processors aren't linked anymore, but something like that
could well become a central spill in the distribution of movies and music (or maybe
we can keep the itunes store around once they learn to make it possible for ANYONE
to sell their products there, not just their RIAA friends ;)

Now, primary problem I see with movie sites is that they don't have a license (the
ones that actually distribute the content that is).

This is due to the berne convention, which was pushed by the recording and printing
industry of it's days (1933).

GEMA, BUMA, STEMRA, etc are all in existance today because back in 1933 it was a
pretty good idea to have the "rights' managed by an organisation -per country-
(after all, back in 1933 you still had several fairly small markets, its not like you had
5 billion books printed in korea and then shipped to your customers, there was no
internet, satellite tv wasn't invented yet, etc)

The result of this is that disney could not give a license to a movie site to put disney
movies in full hd/3d for a global audience (worldwide distribution) if they wanted to
(which, they btw, do not, otherwise they would not be trying to sue US for routing
the piratebay all the time ;)

But then again, they have been part of the 'usual suspects' that kept lobbying for
such regulations that now (also) get in their own way, deratifying treaties isn't quite
so easy as creating them ;)

This is also a reason why southpark, for example, doesn't make their episodes
available on one central worldwide site anymore, but rather has sites per country
now, eventhough it's their -own- created content.
(southpark studios also just includes the advertisements themselves and makes their
streams high quality, as opposed to third party streaming sites which usually are
captured from tv airings)

I'm quite sure you'll still earn your investment back on the DVDs as a lot of people
(still) buy those, and TV stations are (still) around and still get paid to put
'something" between advertisements (which in the end makes the cash, also online,
in most cases, except for direct sales).

Now as far as I understand, these movie sites, get paid by their advertisers,
depending on how popular their site is in the "alexa ratings". Why don't you just set
up your own movie site, together with some colleguas, that does exactly the same,
watch the movie in low-res streaming with advertisements for free, or download it in
full-hd and pay for it, I bet a lot of those movie link sites like the one you were
complaining about would simply link to your site and therefore also generate
advertisement income for you.

I cannot interfere in what my customers do, If some guy just buys your DVD and
copies it and ships it with deutsche post, you can't expect the mailman to open the
package, see whats inside, refuse to deliver from or to specific addresses, etc, the
same applies to data and telecommunications (and that's a good thing or we'd have
EVERYONE who could possibly have a problem with something at our door every
second ;)

I cannot force him to remove it (which this specific customer probably won't do
anyway, but the streaming video providers he links to may do it if you ask -them-)

We just deliver traffic, indistriminately of what it carries, even if we know what it

carries, we are protected from liability, even if what it carries is SEVERELY criminal
(there are a lot things worse than copyright violations ;) and that's a good thing, not
just for us, but for everyone
Your movie (i've watched the trailer) i'm suer would raise some eyebrows in most
islamic countries for example, you don't want your isp to remove it because they
could possibly have objections to it :P

Why don't you get some of your colleguas together and set up a central distribution
company for independant movie productions, which doesn't 'enforce copyright' but
rather just makes it easy to obtain high-quality copies at a reasonable price and low-
quality streaming with advertisement income, so a lot of it is on one central, easy to
find, well promoted, website, online ordering of an actual DVD/blue ray disk should
be possible too ofcourse.

There are several more issues with copyright as a concept, one of them being the
fact that i already managed to have my 386 "compose" all musical patterns (sheet
music) in digital form back in 1996 up to 30 seconds in lenght (the requirement for
copyright), and i mean -all- of the possible combinations of musical notes in any
order ;)

Technically, that means i could sue each and everyone of those artists and their
labels out there not to release any bit of music anymore as i own the rights to
-everything- already, as it will always contain a sequence out of my billions of
composed patterns, no matter what they compose ;)

now that was in 1996... computers are at least 1000 times faster and bigger now,
and we own quite a few of them, i'm quite sure we could do the same for let's say all
english words in any possible combination (copyrighting all possible book texts
before anyone else gets the chance) etc.

they could claim it's not a "work of art", which is a requirement for copyright, but
then again, they compose using computers themselves, it's all just a matter of
interpretation of how many manual interventions one makes in the process ;)

I don't consider copying "theft" either, as nothing really gets stolen, and it's all
rather vague.. it's all common knowledge...
now breaking into someone's house or his computer, stealing his data and making it
public, ofcourse is theft
breaking into a factory, stealing the plans for their next model car, is theft, breaking
into a bunker, stealing the nuclear launch codes, is theft (not to mention
espionage ;)

making something which is already public knowledge more poblic, isn't theft at all.
Me, using copyright to stop all artists from composing any music because my
computer (or me) "did it first" WOULD however be 'theft', but it would be 100% legal
for me to enforce that by the exact same law they promote.

(germany itself for example uses copyright to -prevent- distribution of mein kampf,
despite not having the intention of distributing it itself).

So no, I don't see any future whatsoever in copyright, you can probably still get
away with the old business model of selling dvds for the next few years, you'll
definately make your investment back, one way or the other, but don't expect that
all to still work in let's say 10 years from now.

When i started working in the internet industry at xs4all, they actually never gave
people contracts that lasted longer than 3 months because they weren't sure the
internet, as an industry would survive that long, now, xs4all ofcourse is one of the
biggest dutch ISPs out there, I'd say "easy money", including copyright, should
always be treated that way... don't expect it to work/bring profits 3 months from
now even if it does now, always cover your ass, just as with any other investment...

Now for companies like disney, there actually is no excuse ;)

they should simply give people a disney tv with a disney-disc player that only plays
disney movies and doesn't connect to anything else and can't be filmed with
conventional cameras (refreshing the screen the other way around, bottom to top,
already solves that ;) and call it a day :P

see, your camera would not work in a cinema, if the screen refresh of the cinema
would work significantly different than the way your camera ccd/vidicon scans it's
image. it would have black bars all over the image all the time, or even just random
dots instead of an image, and as long as your hardware doesn't have any
standardised output, good luck on simply connecting it to a vcr or digitizer ;)

Disney however, despite having the cash and resources, would rather wait for other
people to distribute their movies for them, and then sue them or third parties
afterwards :P instead of actually taking steps to protect their content, in which they
claim to take so much interest :P
(which is why we put a bunch of attorneys on disney, as they were becoming a bit
too much of a pain in the ass, and them trying to undermine european commission
desicisions that protect providers from having to commit censorship is completely
inacceptable ;)

Now as with making your investment back, i'm can't help you with that, should you
decide to do the video streaming/download thingy yourself or with some friends, we
do offer guaranteed port-speed (100/1000base) dedicated servers, and i'm quite
sure that we can find one of our companies to provide management services and
software-development services with that (although cb3rob ltd. & co. kg just offers
the actual internet capacity and the hardware ;)... however, we own quite a bit more
companies in the consulting, hardware and software development field and research
field that can supply "what goes on the server" and manage the things for you,
google is expected to make the vp8 video codec open source in the coming weeks,
which should work hell a lot better than that flash crap too, and will be supported by
all html5 browsers (also all browsers, without plugins ;)
the fact that we don't run the sites for customers doesn't mean we can't ;), we have
some quite capable people around that can put this together in no time... (the
cyberbunker group actually exists of 20 or so active companies registered around the
world, most of them in the isp/telco and research and development fields, it's pretty
much more of a cult than they are normal companies ;)

(once again, we were around before google and we've seen it all ;)

(And despite disneys efforts, we will be around long after disney has evaporated into
oblivion ;)

I -wrote- audio and video streaming protocols long before most of those moviesite
kiddies knew what a computer was haha :P

(now besides accidentially having the odd patent here and there and copyright on a
lot of program code, most of which is internal-use only and therefore not open
source ;) as well as -all- possible musical patterns, we never make claims to any
'intellectual property' simply because we don't
believe its a wise thing to do, it's better if people take your ideas after
you show them that it works and can be done and improve on it)

there even are some people running away with our "trademarks"

I found a "cyberbunker ltd." as a registrant to ip space that has nothing to do with us

for example, there is a cyberbunker.com.au somewhere in australia running an
internet cafe and a golf course, etc, oh well, just let them, if that makes them happy,
who cares, people will know where to find the "real" one anyway :P

people always claim intellectual property laws would "promote" innovation...

question: where would the world be if motorized vehicles using 4 wheels were
patented and nobody else would be allowed to build simular products ;)

anyway, it's quite easy to keep control over what you've made if you really want to
and monetise on it by keeping control and limiting its distribution.

This is what software companies in the 80s did when it got 'really expensive' (novell
netware, autocad), you simply only make the software work with a specific piece of
hardware of which the inner workings are non disclosed plugged into the printer
port ;)

It doesn't matter if peope copy the software from their neighbor and can buy their
computers at every street corner, the software still won't work without your custom
hardware, which only you know how to build :P

it's even easier to just distribute it and monetise on it by means of built-in

advertisements, paid -easy, high quality, fast- downloads or other unique marketing
aspects other parties cannot offer (or not that easy anyway).

there are tons of companies in the world offering internet hosting, it's not about
wether you ask 3 euros or 100 euros, its about how easy you make it to buy it from
-you- rather than your neighbor, that's what brings in the customers.
(we have btw left the mass hosting market, so the whole online registration and
payment stuff has been removed from our website, but the concept still applies
equally well to any market).

and having to go outside, and buy a disk, and then take it out of the box, and put it
into some player (usually the computer anyway ;) just isn't the easiest way for the
user to obtain his entertainment, which, still, is compensated by the higher quality,
but that can't possibly take much longer anymore (users nowadays have 50-100mbit
at home, that is quite common in the netherlands and germany anyway (vdsl, cable,
fiber to the home (ftth)), so the quality aspect of dvds vs downloads/online watching
will soon disappear, the movie industry would better adjust to that, as sueing isps
will only lead to the isps sueing them back, and thats a fight the isps will win in the
end, the same goes for lobbying, funding political parties and politicians, etc :P

and no, we will not keep them artificially alive by stuff like "a tax for "culture" on
internet connections" as -they- choose to invest in movies, people have made music
and danced etc since the stoneage, we really don't need disney to provide the world
with "culture" :P

nobody asked them to invest millions into movies

If i invest millions into restoring an oldtimer car, and i drive it in the street, and
people take pictures of it, i can't charge them for my millions either, the same goes
for movies, nobody asked them to make them, nor to make them public, so they
can't really complain if once they are public knowledge, people watch them without
paying back their investment.

nothing to do with your investment, i'm qutie sure you'll still make that back and a
profit on it too, with or without low-res video streams on the internet

oh btw, in case of european providers, don't even mention 'dmca' :P

the dmca is a strictly american thing that can, if the provider chooses to avoid a
court case, provide him with limited immunity (unlike european regulations) under
the safe harbor protection, which basically means: remove the content, and let the
customer protest against it ;)

which even if we were an american company, we would never do, but most american
companies don't have the balls to simply take that corrupt piece of shit through the
court process and win (maybe there is something severely wrong with the american
court process in the first place ;)

anyway,

enough of that for now :P

l8r

<penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Ellen Seidler wrote:

Dear Sven,

I'm not a spammer actually. I have done every step of this all by myself, day after
day....trying, in good faith, to contact the correct person to ask that the infringing
content be removed.

I am an independent filmmaker who has put her life savings into a project
and now see it uploaded illegally on the web before the DVD is even
released. I am not a studio, but my partner and I work out of xoxoxoxo
and are teachers and independent filmmakers who have produced a small, niche
feature film "And Then Came Lola." It's scheduled to be released on DVD in late
May. We have NO theatrical release of the film.

I wish I had money to pay someone to do this, but no sir. I'm going step by step,
investigating and doing my best to stop these pirates one by one. I'm sorry if you
are offended by my email. What recourse do I have but to try my best to get these
illegal files removed from the various sites they've populated.

I am happy to say that my notifications have been pretty successful. A number of

sites, like Megashare, Rapidshare, and Blogger have quickly removed the files from
their various sites per my request. How is it wrong to ask that other not monetize
our product?

Please feel free to follow up with me further if you'd like. I am a firm believer in free
speech, but as someone who has spent the past 3 years working on this little indie
film and poured every penny I have into it, it seems I have no recourse. Can you
appreciate that.

I'm sorry if one email to your email box proved to be such an irritant. Seeing our film
streamed throughout the web via illegal uploads is equally irritating. It amounts to
theft basically.

Thanks for your time and your thoughtful feedback. Should you want to check out
information about the film, please go here: www.andthencamelola.com

On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

Congratulations, You have made it past our spam filter, as this is your first email to
us ;)
Let us clarify things a bit:
Ok, first of all, we have nothing to do with this "novamov" other than them being
routed over our IP infrastructure (and then only their user-submitted links/player
page, not even the actual movie streams ;)
We have no idea wether OUR client actually is the operator of this website -at all- or
wether they are one of his clients.
The DMCA, as you may have figured out by now, is null and void, unless ofcourse
novamov would be in the USA, or we would be based in the USA and opting for the
DMCA's safe harbour protection, neither of which happens to be the case. (even if we
WOULD be in the USA, we'd rather to to court the normal way than committing
censorship haha ;)
CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG provides network routing services to a global audience,
furthermore, we rent out (unmanaged) servers (as in: the customer has the
administrative control over them), colocation facilities in the Republic CyberBunker,
etc, it does not operate websites unless those websites explicitly state so.
CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG does not currently operate (commercial) infrastructure within
Germany, but german law applies to our infrastructure and the services provided TO
our clients (albeit not the services provided BY our clients per-se) all over the EU
anyway.
furthermore,
It would be appeciated if "dmca spammers" as we call them would stop wasting our
time, trying to get us to get our customers to remove "their" crap, this is europe, the
dmca doesn't apply here, providers have immunity against liability for ANY kind of
content or actions taking place over their networks (if in doubt, go ask the european
commission ;)
Spamming and uttering frivolous legal threats however ARE crimes.
(and the laws of that retarded ex-colony cannot be enforced here, thank
god ;)
i'd suggest your clients just fix their own business model and find a way to
make money on their productions which doesn't involve bugging everyone
else to get other people to remove stuff for them.
You, nor your clients, pay us for our time, and our time is worth more than
lousy entertainment anyway.
If the customer doesn't want to remove it, fine, then you can go and try to get the
customer to remove it by other means (or maybe you should just offer them a
license at a "fair competitive" price instead of favouring certain distributers over
others and thus breaking even more EU laws and regulations ?!)
Anyway, as far as we are concerned:
- We are protected by article 8 of the german telemediengesetz, as are our services
to our clients, as we don't select addresses, interfere with what they do, or modify
the transported data in any way (all criteria are met)
as far as the customer is concerned:
- Should the customer be in germany (which i can tell you is not the case with most
of them, including this one) the customer, provided that our customer is the one
running the website, would be covered by article 10 of the telemediengesetz, which
still doesn't make him liable for what HIS users do (once again, provided our
customer is the one eventually operating this website), but would create provisions
for him to remove stuff.
Now as for "copyright"
- In pretty much all countries, including the USA (the retarded ex-colony referred to
above) copyright solely applies to the original work without any modifications or
additions, it literally says so in the US copyright act for example
furthermore, most "movies" we receive -threats- and -spam- about (I can't consider
them as a "notification" as the DMCA doesn't apply would plainly be nothing more
than "derivative works" at most, as either some guy in a cinema sat there and filmed
the thing (expecially the recent ones), actually granting HIM copyright over HIS
production (like taking a photo of your car), or are compressed media, do therefore
not resemble the original sound frequencies and colors, and any copyright is thereby
void.
(breaking the terms of use of the cinema by using a camera in there ofcourse is
another case, but that's between the cinema and the guy doing it ;)
Threattening isps, and or trying to sue ISPs will only end you and your cleints in the
position where ISPs start to see your industry as "the enemy"
As there, indeed, is no absolute right to internet connectivity, and the
("correct/unmodified") relaying of packets on the internet is based on common
interest and friendships between parties involved, rather than actual contracts (most
peering agreements are not even in legally valid form), guess what will happen to
YOUR prospect of promoting your materials over the internet once most ISPs start to
realize that YOU ARE THE ENEMY.
(and no, computer crime laws do not protect you from ISPs simply not relaying your
packets destined to "your" ips or sending them somewhere else, as WE own the
internet, all the wires and switches and routers.)
It technically is a privately owned infrastructure, so you all would better stay friends
with us and stop taking ISPs to court every time YOU fail to control "your" content,
or sell licenses to interested parties.
Even if you WANT to keep "control" over distribution in the first place seing that
selling a license to a tv station only ends up with the tv station putting
COMMERCIALS in it which then make the money that pays for the license and the tv
station, why not put the commercials in it straight away and just distribute your
movies over the internet for free (have the actors drink some coca cola or
something..)
That's YOUR business model failing, not ours.
And we're not the party to fix that for you.
Although we shall drop you some hints in this email ;)
(as for the selling licenses and that nog being possible for a global market, who
pushed the berne convention again back in 1933? wasn't us..)
Now, as for the site you mentioned, they don't even host content over our network,
so i can't see where we come in ;)
furthermore, they have a perfectly well usable contact form on their website, if email
should not work..
Either way, we are not a party in this, we shall not relay your messages to them (not
if you would pay us for it) and we cannot legally, nor contractually, remove or
interfere with what they relay over our networks (end of story) as that WOULD
actually make us liable (modifying the data would violate the conditions of Art. 8
Telemediengesetz, hacking their servers would constitute computer crime).
Now, considering that WE are in a country (For that matter: all the EU) where ISPs
for obvious reasons, just like the mailman, are not allowed to look into what they
transport and filter out your "mail" (transported data), and the fact that you can't
prove that our client is in a country where what he does happens to be illegal, nor
that his users are for that matter, and after all, all this site does is link to video
streams that are 1) derivative works and 2) not even on our network and 3)
completely different companies..
So what's left is:
- Simular organisations like yours spam us (european law!)
- Simular organisations like yours utter frivolous legal threats (punishable by 5 years
in german prison ;)
- Simular organisations like your clients engage in corruption, unfair competition,
kartell forming, etc
- libel against us and several of our clients
And most importantly:
- Simular organisations like yours try to infringe on OUR rights by wasting
our time (yes, immunity from liability also includes not having to waste my
man hours or the ones of my attorneys on this without financial
compensation, now where do we send the bill for answering this email ? ;)
Should there be any further questions, I'm quite sure I can get our shiney
attorney firm, to make things clear to you, like they are doing against some
other movie firms at this moment already (Don't you worry about that ;)
Anyway, you can't just go around expecting companies to clean up the mess for you
after you make something public and then no longer are able to control it's
distribution, that's just a failure on YOUR end, you can't involve everyone else in
fixing your crap.
If we (for example) want to keep something under control, we make sure it only
works with OUR hardware (for example), Blizzard entertainment makes sure it's
games, despite being distributed by means of the torrent protocol, only work with
their subscription service, etc.
now why oh why can't your clients get that done for their products...
(not to mention that for me as a former shareholder in several of those "movie
companies' it would make far more sense to just throw the distribution out in the
open, get rid of the middle man (tv/radio stations/cinemas) and include the
advertising in the product, end result: more profit! it's 2010 people, deal with it,
copyright was invented to protect the investment in a book-printing-press in order to
enable people to publish their views on things, not to make everyone chase after
"baddies" for you, and the distribution part can now be done for free, no more
printing-press needed.
You also cannot blame distribution sites, such as torrent and video websites for doing
what they do, as there are plenty of legal (and then i mean unquestionably legal)
uses for those, such as non-copyrighted movies, political campaigns, open source
software distribution, home videos, etc, interfering with that by shutting these sites
down would interfere with the right to freedom of expression, interfere with political
campaigns, human rights, etc, and in the end, yes, strike back at the copyright
industry...
(You know, there is a reason why i sold my shares in these short-sighted companies
that constantly attack my companies and the ones of friends and colleguas in this
industry, and I strongly urge every other shareholder
to do the same, until they adjust their course to something a bit more profitable and
wise in the long run, and making less enemies, all of which have absolute control
over the largest global distribution network for any kind of media, not the kind of
people you'd wanna pick a fight with ;)
I don't think it's very smart of you to make ISPs into your enemies, also because we
can bribe politicians and insert "our own" too ;) that's not a privilege solely reserved
for the copyright industry, furthermore, we, as an industry, simply make more
money than your industry does and therefore pays more taxes and has more
"bribing power" :P
You are infringing in the rights of european ISPs, and the european people, not the
other way around.
PS, If you happen to be an attorney, and you need a full time job (on the other side
of the perspective ;), we can give you one (You'd have to move to Berlin or the
Republic CyberBunker tho, as we intend to prosecute everyone that infringes on OUR
right to not being spammed or spread libel about, for which we shall set up a new
foundation within the coming months ;)
We would not have to interfere between customers and complainers if the customer
would be bin laden and the complainer would be the cia, so who do the copyright-
industry think they are they can try to harrass us into doing otherwise for them, if
you have a problem with someone, fight it out with -them-, not with third parties.
Maybe it's time for you and your organisation to "switch sides" :P
Come and work for us...
Furthermore, we, as a company, see no problems in finding technical solutions for
your clients little 'content control/licensing and billing' problem, although the main
objective nowadays is telecommuncations infrastructure, not hardware/software
development or consulting, but we still have other firms for that in the christmass-
tree ;)
BTW,
I'm not personally pissed at -you- people, we have seen worse ;)
We were around before Google, we've seen all of it ;)
greetings,
Sven Olaf Kamphuis,
Network Operations,
CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG, a CyberBunker Group Company
AS34109
CBSK1-RIPE
http://www.cb3rob.net/
This is the one and only all-authorative answer from his royal highness the price,
you'll get regarding our corporate views on this matter,
If our customer or their customer or their user or whomever along the supply chain
doesn't want to/doesn't have to remove something, then that's basically -their-
problem, we do not interfere... In fact, interfering in such matters WOULD make us
liable or even be a criminal act (considering that the hardware in all cases either isn't
ours or not under our legal control).
<penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, eseidler@fastgirlfilms.com wrote:
Hello,
You are receiving this email because your company is listed as the contact vaion the
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