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How was islam able to grow so big in the malay peninsula and in the southeast seas archipelagos, to the point of forming various sultanates (and today indonesia is the country with more muslins in the world) but wasn't able to making itself present in the central areas of southeast asia?

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With the presence of so many sultanates in the region , some of them powerful, like the sultanate of aceh, and with the sultanate of delhi/mughal empire to the east shouldn't the islamic powers have been seen as a bigger threat to the empires present at southeast asia at the time?

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"In winning converts, the Sufis were willing to allow the inhabitants of island Southeast Asia to retain pre-Islamic beliefs and practices that orthodox scholars would clearly have found contrary to Islamic doctrine. Pre-Islamic customary law remained important in regulating social interaction, while Islamic law was confined to specific sorts of agreements and exchanges. Women retained a much stronger position, both within the family and in society, than they had in the Middle East and India. Local and regional markets, for example, continued to be dominated by the trading of small-scale female buyers and sellers. In such areas as western Sumatra, lineage and inheritance continued to be traced through the female line after the coming of Islam, despite its tendency to promote male dominance and descent through the male line. Perhaps most tellingly, pre-Muslim religious beliefs and rituals were incorporated into Muslim ceremonies. Indigenous cultural staples, such as the brilliant Javanese shadow plays that were based on the Indian epics of the Brahmanic age, were refined, and they became even more central to popular and elite belief and practice than they had been in the pre-Muslim era." Must also be remembered SE Asia religions are tolerant. There's no reason why a Buddhist can't be a Muslim aswell, it's the other way around which makes it impossible. Any religion coming seemingly tolerant would not be seen as a bad thing.

Country: United Kingdom January 16th, 2010, 09:25 PM Re: Islam in Southeast Asia Quote: #3 (permalink)

Originally Posted by El Kaiser How was islam able to grow so big in the malay peninsula and in the southeast seas archipelagos, to the point of forming various sultanates (and today indonesia is the country with more muslins in the world) but wasn't able to making itself present in the central areas of southeast asia?...

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because here, Islam is not spreaded by war. there are Wali Songo (Nine Imam) who spread it with culture and art. Using Hinduism culture to spread Islam.
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Originally Posted by El Kaiser ... With the presence of so many sultanates in the region , some of them powerful, like the sultanate of aceh, and with the sultanate of delhi/mughal empire to the east shouldn't the islamic powers have been seen as a bigger threat to the empires present at southeast asia at the time?

If you want to know why Aceh is Powerful, they secret is in their military force. Ottoman Helped Aceh Sultanate. Ottoman military officer teaching troops in barrack. later, Aceh became Ottoman Protectorate.

Country: Indonesia January 16th, 2010, 10:40 PM Re: Islam in Southeast Asia #4 (permalink)

[quote=plutoboyz;182427]because here, Islam is not spreaded by war. there are Wali Songo (Nine Imam) who spread it with culture and art. Using Hinduism culture to spread Islam.

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the nine muslim scholars (wali songo) were using a good strategic to show islam to the local people. they didint want to use the technical worship first but also assimilating the culture with islamic tradition and the concept of the oneness of god (tauhid). in my opinion, there are lacks and benefits here. you may know those till you learn the impact was

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Kejawen, That one sick. also muslim trader marry local people and convert them. thats why we can see many indigenous have arabic face.

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Conversion went for a large part through trade, there is also the fact that there were no real strong kingdoms to contend with this, but many independant city-states, when you go to the mainland with strong centralised kingdoms like that of Thailand, the chances of succes diminish greatly.

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Harold Bluetooth, King of the Danes, finally was convinced by papal envoy of the commercial benefits of Christian conversion. Trade-induced adoption of Islam in Southeast Asia is a parallel phenomenon, as mentioned in above posts.

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A superior know-how is also an incentive for adopting a new faith. There was a Chinese emperor who was ready to adopt Christian faith if he can keep Chinese feasts. The Pope refused and the project fell apart.

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Originally Posted by gaius valerius Conversion went for a large part through trade, there is also the fact that there were no real strong kingdoms to contend with this, but many independant city-states, when you go to the mainland with strong centralised kingdoms like that of Thailand, the chances of succes diminish greatly. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.. ....................

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