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Slytle DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can « » 5:46 AM 1-8-2007

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Cost me $20.00 total.
Start with a $5.00 stainless steel liguid soap dispenser from Walmart.
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Throw away the top.

Get a small breather filter ($9.00 at Autozone).

Some brass barb fittings, hose clamps, rubber grommets, and a short length of hose.
Drill a hole in the bottom of the reservoir:


Insert grommet into hole.


insert grommet into the hole on the filter.


Insert barb coupler into grommet:


Attach filter to reservoir.


Next insert barb fitting into the short length of hose


Attach fitting with hose to the end of the reservoir>


Add hose clamps. Voila. You now have a beautiful stainless steel oil breather/catch can.

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Slytle Re: (golf198v3.0) » « » 1:09 PM 1-8-2007

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Greengt1 Re: (Slytle) » « » 1:45 PM 1-8-2007

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mant Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 3:46 PM 1-8-2007
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sickdubyo Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (mant) » « » 1:56 AM 1-9-2007
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Slytle Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (sickdubyo) » « » 2:07 AM 1-9-2007
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Quote, originally posted by sickdubyo »

what happens to the condensation that collects in the breather while the car is sitting?
Offline Well, to be honest, probably the same thing that happens in the stock system. I mean, mine functions just like the stock breather hose,
except that it doesnt vent into the intake. When its all done, it drains back into the block. Conde
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865 posts I could attach the hose on the side and make it collect all of the oil, but my main reason for making this thing was to keep the oil in the
engine. I had the breather running open and I was losing a quart every two weeks. With the new setup, the oil level doesnt even move.
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XKROMX Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 1:31 PM 1-9-2007
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You are going to run into oil collection issues with the way this is set up,the oil and water vapor will collect in the hose leading to your "Can"
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you need to drill and tap the inlet to the can near the top and put a pet **** valve @ the bottom where you have the male to make barbed
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Freerevving Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (X K R O M X) » « » 2:08 PM 1-9-2007

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yeah I was thinking the same thing but without the pcv: larger hose tapped into the middle (angled down for good measure), and smaller
drain hose at the bottom... pcv valve is a good idea though, it ought to suck the oil down like a vacuum
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Slytle Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (X K R O M X) » « » 3:43 AM 1-10-2007

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Ive got the can mounted up high and the hose runs straight and downhill toward the block outlet. No issues with oil pooling in the hose. It
Offline works just as I intended. I contemplated making it a side inlet with the bottom outlet being the oil return, but my current method works just
as well. Simplicity is the key. And like I said, it works great.
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weeblebiker Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 7:06 AM 1-10-2007
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xr4tic » « » 6:06 PM 1-10-2007

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Offline You could have saved money by just slapping the filter onto a piece of hose, The canister does nothing. How exactly is it supposed to collect
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218 posts And when creating the hose to the canister, go as big as possible, a smaller hose will have a higher air velocity, and carry more oil out with it.
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Greengt1 Re: (xr4tic) » « » 6:48 PM 1-10-2007

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I would think the canister is to releive the system of pressure and let the air out and not blow out oil. The flanges on some of the blocks
already have a small hose on them. It also gets very tight for space in fron t of the block..................
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Eoin16V » « » 1:58 AM 1-11-2007

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the last post on that thread is a guy using a breather thats part of the oil cap...
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Slytle Re: (xr4tic) » « » 7:13 PM 1-11-2007

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And when creating the hose to the canister, go as big as possible, a smaller hose will have a higher air velocity, and carry more
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oil out with it.
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1987 GTI 16V Exactly That is purpose of the canister: to create less air velocity. Consider it an "expansion tank".
If I were to simply slap the filter onto a piece of hose, then I would end up with oil all over the engine bay. And Im not to worried about the
condensation.
So many of you people are hellbent on telling me that this isnt going to work. Its really frustrating. I mean, I already installed it and it works
PERFECTLY. It has solved all of the problems that it was intended to solve. I no longer have oil in my intake. I no longer have a vacuum leak
through the PCV valve. I no longer have excessive oil depletion. The crankcase can breathe just as easily as before and my engine bay stays
clean.
XKROMX Re: (Slytle) » « » 7:43 PM 1-11-2007

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Quote, originally posted by Slytle »

Exactly That is purpose of the canister: to create less air velocity. Consider it an "expansion tank".
Offline If I were to simply slap the filter onto a piece of hose, then I would end up with oil all over the engine bay. And Im not to
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1140 posts So many of you people are hellbent on telling me that this isnt going to work. Its really frustrating. I mean, I already installed it
and it works PERFECTLY. It has solved all of the problems that it was intended to solve. I no longer have oil in my intake. I no
Long beach ca longer have a vacuum leak through the PCV valve. I no longer have excessive oil depletion. The crankcase can breathe just as
Junkers JU-87 Stuka. easily as before and my engine bay stays clean.
I just hate mormons and everything they do...
weeblebiker Re: (Slytle) » « » 9:06 PM 1-11-2007

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Quote, originally posted by Slytle »

Exactly That is purpose of the canister: to create less air velocity. Consider it an "expansion tank".
If I were to simply slap the filter onto a piece of hose, then I would end up with oil all over the engine bay. And Im not to
worried about the condensation.
So many of you people are hellbent on telling me that this isnt going to work. Its really frustrating. I mean, I already installed it
and it works PERFECTLY. It has solved all of the problems that it was intended to solve. I no longer have oil in my intake. I no
longer have a vacuum leak through the PCV valve. I no longer have excessive oil depletion. The crankcase can breathe just as
easily as before and my engine bay stays clean.
I don't care if your engine bay is clean. it doesn't really work I tell you!
Don't you know when the 'tex tells you it won't work, it won't work?

Greengt1 Re: (weeblebiker) » « » 9:32 PM 1-11-2007

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Quote, originally posted by weeblebiker »

I don't care if your engine bay is clean. it doesn't really work I tell you!
Don't you know when the 'tex tells you it won't work, it won't work?
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I dont see why not.............I ran my car with just a breather. I got almost 1/4 quart of oil in like one high rev!!!! I would think that if the
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can is there the velocity would massively decrease and the oil would just sit there inside and the air goes outthe breather.............when the
Dolton IL crackcase pressure drops enough the oil will bo back down the tube. Is it that if you have too much pressure that you need rings??????
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weeblebiker Re: (Greengt1) » « » 11:12 PM 1-11-2007

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I dont see why not.............I ran my car with just a breather. I got almost 1/4 quart of oil in like one high rev!!!! I would
think that if the can is there the velocity would massively decrease and the oil would just sit there inside and the air goes
outthe breather.............when the crackcase pressure drops enough the oil will bo back down the tube. Is it that if you have too
much pressure that you need rings??????
Oops! sorry you missed the sarcasm about all the arm chair engineers around here that like talk trash about stuff they haven't seen or tried
Beuler? Beuler? beuler?
but yah your right, your blowing by your rings if your blowing oil out your breather. I haven't had any oil in my airbox from the breather tube,
but I have new rings and such, I'm gunna run a 90* elbow and breather on that and should be fine. maybe those engineers who say it'll still
blow oil need to shut up and rebuild their motors
Modified by weeblebiker at 4:16 AM 1-12-2007

xr4tic » « » 1:02 AM 1-12-2007

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But what do I know? I haven't seen or tried anything....
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Slytle Re: (xr4tic) » « » 4:22 AM 1-12-2007

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Quote, originally posted by xr4tic »
Ok, Ok, it does do something. It's an expansion chamber. It is, however, not a catch can.
It does not catch oil, oil is free to return to the crankcase, and bring along the water from condensation with it.
But what do I know? I haven't seen or tried anything....
Ok, perhaps I shouldnt call it a catch can... maybe I will call it a "catch and release" can.
Call it what you like.
The fact is... Its an inexpensive solution to a problem that many people may be experiencing, so I thought I would share it.
Modified by Slytle at 9:25 AM 1-12-2007
Slytle Re: (X K R O M X) » « » 4:30 AM 1-12-2007

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Re: (Slytle) » « » 5:23 AM 1-12-2007
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Offline keep up the smart thinking on the cheap side
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weeblebiker Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 6:50 AM 1-12-2007
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4-2-2003 remeber condensation happens inside the crank case anyway, it's open to atmosphere, and that the heat drives the moisture out every time
2228 posts the motor gets up to operating temp. that's one of the reasons all motors operate at around 212*F
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XKROMX Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (weeblebiker) » « » 12:11 PM 1-12-2007
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sounds like everyone is getting along for once
Offline remeber condensation happens inside the crank case anyway, it's open to atmosphere, and that the heat drives the moisture
out every time the motor gets up to operating temp. that's one of the reasons all motors operate at around 212*F
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weeblebiker Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (X K R O M X) » « » 12:13 PM 1-12-2007

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Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (weeblebiker) » « » 10:22 PM 1-12-2007
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weeblebiker Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (MaDDWrenches) » « » 9:35 AM 1-13-2007
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Engines produced for mass market, designed by Automotive Engineers run hot enough to drive out all the moisture in the block.
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2228 posts I'm in the school of run as hot as you can without worrying about detonation or warping. more heat in the block means less energy pulled
from the ignition gasses. but since I know I don't know more than the engineers that designed my motor or other automotive engineers, I'm
Richmond IN not gunna run higher temps than they spec'd. also synthetic oil does not suffer thermal breakdown like convnetional oil, so that's not an issue
'87 rocco 2L 16v dual either.
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I'd like to know what coolent temps the vw rallye team ran on these motors.
yah and I can make a motor with 20:1 compression and a foil head gasket, bypass the o2 sensor, and rig the fuel pump to run regardles if the
motor is running, doesn't mean they're a good ideas
that's enough thread jacking
I'd still really like to see an installed pick of your oil breather "expansion" tank

Slytle Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (weeblebiker) » « » 10:21 PM 1-13-2007
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I'd still really like to see an installed pick of your oil breather "expansion" tank
Its F-R-E-E-Z-I-N-G outside at the moment, but Im sure Ill get a chance to snap a picture sometime this weekend.
Freerevving Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 12:00 AM 1-14-2007
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Anytime you run high rpm's the crank is going to kick oil out the breather... I think this setup is fine but I totally agree with having separate,
different sized tubes... essentially a self-draining catch can
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antichristonwheels Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 12:34 PM 1-14-2007
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Eoin16V Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (antichristonwheels) » « » 8:22 PM 1-14-2007
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won't a scraper or a windage tray along with a new 2.0 beetle oil cap help?
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Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Eoin16V) » « » 1:18 PM 1-15-2007
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I have a windage tray and still have increadible blow by
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Slytle Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Greengt1) » « » 1:25 PM 1-15-2007
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I have a windage tray and still have increadible blow by
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mazdakicks88 Re: DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can (Slytle) » « » 11:10 PM 1-16-2007
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I think I understand. And it sounds like a good design.
My question though is how does the oil not get into the breather filter then? Doesn't it saturate the filter if it basically sprays oil out of the
breather? Or is the filter at an upward angle?
Anyone tried packing steel wool or something into their breather? I would but I am afraid that since it vents to the airbox AFTER the filter then
it could cause some SERIOUS damage.
Im really worried about the oil in my intake thing though ... I'm pretty sure thats what caused my last intake boot on my Scirocco 16V to get
soft and rip. I don't want to spend another 100 bucks on a replacement. Again ...
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Slytle DIY- Oil Breather / Catch Can « » 5:46 AM 1-8-2007

Cost me $20.00 total.

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Throw away the top.

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Get a small breather filter ($9.00 at Autozone).

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Drill a hole in the bottom of the reservoir:

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Insert grommet into hole.

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insert grommet into the hole on the filter.

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Insert barb coupler into grommet:

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Next insert barb fitting into the short length of hose

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Slytle Re: (golf198v3.0) » « » 1:09 PM 1-8-2007

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You're a life saver...............Just when I needed it!!!!

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I just hate mormons and everything they do...

weeblebiker Re: (Slytle) » « » 9:06 PM 1-11-2007

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