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* acurrie has changed the topic to: #dys154 records.... NOW. <rmcormond> #LinuxLinuxLinuxLinux * Bruce (Mibbit@ZeroNode-js76fp.vn.shawcable.

net) has joined #dyscultured * Alex (Mibbit@ZeroNode-q47.cpo.116.206.IP) has joined #dyscultured <acurrie> #yupyupyup * Alex cries for Steve <Bruce> Hey guys, long time! <acurrie> bruuuuuuce <wiseman> hey Bruce * Alex sacrifices himself for Steve * Alex says "Fuck open source, proprietary is where it's at!" <acurrie> this is why i'm already drinking... <acurrie> :P <wiseman> I already want to throw up a little due to the #iSad hashtag * bootprint (Mibbit@ZeroNode-pj8cg0.cable.teksavvy.com) has joined #dyscultured <Bruce> Andrew, you'll have to check out my paean on Facebook. <acurrie> i don't do facebook no more <acurrie> well, i do spy on old girlfriends now and again <Alex> IT'S A SAD DAY. HAVE YOU PEOPLE NO SYMPATHY? <acurrie> lemme chekkitowt <Bruce> Alex, Steve was a buddhist. He wouldn't want gnashing of teeth and rendi ng of cloth. Or covering ourselves with ash. <acurrie> good. <rmcormond> I heard about Jobs from the #dys154 tag -- Probably good to know bef ore the show, so I can put on the right face... <Alex> Ah, well said Bruce. <acurrie> his death sure fucked up my show notes :-/ <Alex> LOL <Bruce> I'm not telling you how to feel, but I'm pretty damn sure he had a diffe rent perspective on things. <acurrie> going live... * Henshaw (Mibbit@ZeroNode-uqj57v.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #dyscultured * SadMike (Mibbit@ZeroNode-6e1.ocd.250.205.IP) has joined #dyscultured <SadMike> We're going live! <Bruce> Andrew, if you play your cards right, you could be really POPULAR for a day or so. Until the assassins show up. <acurrie> chat wants show notes? badly outdated ones? <wiseman> tonights shownotes are here <acurrie> http://www.scribd.com/doc/67647948/Dys154-Show-Notes <Bruce> WHere's Mr. Marco? <wiseman> http://www.scribd.com/doc/67647948/Dys154-Show-Notes <acurrie> vow of silence <Alex> Stupid politics <Bruce> and there's noise. <SadMike> huzzah! how do we sound? <Bruce> Architectural term. <Bruce> It derives from wheelbarrows and French students, <Alex> You sound like voices * jeffyGinDC (Mibbit@ZeroNode-h5s3se.t1.cavtel.net) has joined #dyscultured <Bruce> Bring me on. I'll drown out the dross tech discussions. <jeffyGinDC> crap - rotton hotel internet and I cannot hear the stream :( <Bruce> Too soon, too soon. <acurrie> can y'all hear us? <Bruce> Sounds good, Andrew <acurrie> cool. thanks <Bruce> Let the cheering commence <Alex> Sounds fine to me, acurre <Alex> acurrie <Bruce> Mike groan <rmcormond> Stature? Wow :-) Hey, if you want hatred for Apple products, we

can wait for next week. :-) <acurrie> are you a recovering iaddict? <jeffyGinDC> no its Jeffy G in Washington DC <Alex> RIM bashing = yes. Apple bashing = NO. <jeffyGinDC> next week we can talk about how RIM will be taking over now :) <acurrie> like clockwork <rmcormond> Sorry Henshaw, we won't do the distribution vs performance this week if there is still interest. Our Supreme Court will also be taking on a very r elated issue soon. Unauthorized P2P of course still illegal in the USA and Can ada. * bonghitter (Mibbit@ZeroNode-ct0cv5.cable.rogers.com) has joined #dyscultured <Henshaw> No worries Russell. It'll give me time to get more up to speed. <rmcormond> Good to do the "are we recording yet" check :-) <acurrie> you bonghitter! first time? <bonghitter> yes sir <acurrie> welcome :) <bonghitter> thanks. been meaning to jump on but kids keep me busy <acurrie> no worries. here we go...! <jeffyGinDC> i thought it was iphone ass <wiseman> AppleAppleApple <acurrie> http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ <rmcormond> @Henshaw - if you are bored by the #AppleAppleApple stuff, we can ch at in parallel here :-) <wiseman> exactly <SadMike> agreed <bonghitter> 10/4 <Henshaw> Sure. I have no interest in Apple. <wiseman> and bring the non apple perspective <bonghitter> niether do i <bonghitter> but lot of people out there that do <wiseman> chatroom, I am taking note that we are note meeting needs <wiseman> are those people dyscultured fans <rmcormond> Short form of the supreme court cases is which copyright right (It i s a bundle of rights -- activities which need permission) are impacted with onli ne distribution. Is it like radio (performance/communication) or is it an elect ronic equivalent of distributing tangible media. US said distribution, not perf ormance. <bonghitter> unfortunatley not <SadMike> We'll try to push through, folks. It won't be all #Apple. <bonghitter> he didnt buy me beer!! <bonghitter> love it <Henshaw> I wonder if they kept Steve's death under wraps because Apple stock wa s getting killed today because of the IPhone 4s disappointment. <acurrie> crossed my mind too <wiseman> 5 % down .... <wiseman> is that a killing? <acurrie> too soon, son <acurrie> :P <SadMike> ouch <wiseman> and we wont know the true bounceback bc of todasy news <rmcormond> Jobs and Gates definitely changed computing. The debate for a later date will be whether it was for the better or worse (and you know where I stand ). <SadMike> possibly, Henshaw. <jeffyGinDC> if RIM went down 5% you all would be calling their demise...#fickle <SadMike> LOL <acurrie> yeah cuz i'm apple fanboi number one <acurrie> (disapproving look) <SadMike> RT @rebeccablissett: Brilliant! RT @Jesus_M_Christ Did anybody try jus t turning Steve Jobs off and then back on again? That usually works.

<wiseman> wow <rmcormond> I don't think being down 5% should mean much -- they are in a bubble , and all bubbles fluctuate and eventually burst. <Henshaw> Now that's funny. <Bruce> Apple price 378.25. Up 5 today. <wiseman> thanks bruce <bonghitter> what are rims share prices? <Alex> $3 <Alex> :P <bonghitter> boo <Henshaw> So, somebody tell me, was Steve a visionary who was going to take tech somewhere special or just a guy who was good at marketing his products? * shanebee (webchat@ZeroNode-6hr.ers.49.96.IP) has joined #dyscultured <Alex> $24 RIM stock <shanebee> whoa. forgot to log in to the chat. <bonghitter> i think a little bit of both <shanebee> until JUST now. <SadMike> I think he was initially the former and slowly became the latter. <SadMike> ...Henshaw <rmcormond> I repaired Amiga's for a living int eh 80's and early 1990's -- Cert ified eastern ontario tech. <Henshaw> SADMIKE <jeffyGinDC> my first computer was a comodore pet <Alex> Andrew's first internet experience: "Oh, there's porn!" <rmcormond> I remember Apple's excessive control being the reason for the rise o f Microsoft under the "developers, developers, developers" philosophy... <SadMike> http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111004/apple-iphone-5expected-tuesday-111004/20111004/?hub=OttawaHome <bonghitter> porn is what got me on the net <acurrie> personal computer = internet porn machine <Alex> LOL <jeffyGinDC> iphone 4 ass :P <jeffyGinDC> if RIM released a product like that you would all be saying the com pany is going bankrupt <Alex> ... Because they are...? <bonghitter> good point <bonghitter> rim will be fine <SadMike> http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/03/the-iphone-54s-the-complete-rumor-run down/ <jeffyGinDC> what happened to their BBM killer app they say was coming? <Alex> It's still there. <Alex> It's now on the iPods, too <bonghitter> imessage or what ever the hell its called? <bonghitter> apple fan boys swear it will be the bbm killer, i beg to differ <Alex> The media says "killer". <Alex> No one actually says that * jpli (Mibbit@ZeroNode-lp84s3.cable.teksavvy.com) has joined #dyscultured <Alex> There are pros and cons of both platforms <jpli> hi room. <bonghitter> hi <jpli> aww.. sad mike! <jeffyGinDC> i used my phone to talk to other people - not to talk to my phone. i dont understand what suri is supposed to do <SadMike> who in the chatroom is getting an iPhone 4S? * Bruce has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <bonghitter> my wife, but she is not in the chat * Bruce (Mibbit@ZeroNode-js76fp.vn.shawcable.net) has joined #dyscultured <SadMike> http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/03/sprint-guarantees-to-buy-over-20-billion -in-iphones-from-apple-launching-the-iphone-5-exclusively/ <rmcormond> Unless there are massive changes at Apple (political lobbying, produ

ct philosophy, etc) I don't plan on purchasing any Apple product (none purchased so far). <wiseman> http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/03/sprint-guarantees-to-buy-over-20-billio n-in-iphones-from-apple-launching-the-iphone-5-exclusively/ sure wasn t. <jeffyGinDC> rmcormond my house is totally apple free (except for the kind you a ctually eat) <SadMike> You can eat apples? <Bruce> Anybody else got the banner ad over the Mibbit window touting Pretty fil ipinas girls? <rmcormond> My house is also Microsoft free, except for all those costly coaster s/CD's that came with some of the machines. <Alex> Adblock Plus, Bruce. Works wonders. :) <Bruce> Thanks, Alex. Plugin for Safari? <jeffyGinDC> iphones are turning more into Blackberrys with every release <Alex> I think so <Alex> Lemme find it <SadMike> http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/05/applecare-covers-clumsiness-too/ <rmcormond> But I believe what was said in the early 1990's that Microsoft is fa r more open than Apple became true again when Jobs returned to Apple. <wiseman> You d think all the semen on your hands http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/05/ applecare-covers-clumsiness-too/ <Alex> Here, Bruce: http://safariadblock.com/ <Bruce> Open, closed, whatever. My loyalty of the moment goes with companies tha t demonstrate what user experience design means. <SadMike> Good point, Bruce. <Bruce> Thanks Alex! <rmcormond> Open is a critical part of a user experience. Far more important t han silly icons/etc. <Alex> I used to use Safari, and I remember having it... No problem Bruce ;) * mike (Mibbit@ZeroNode-d5nh20.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #dyscultured <mike> what did i miss? <bonghitter> lots boner <mike> bloody hell, <bonghitter> you missed lot of apple and steve job talk <Alex> I dropped my Android phone on cement and it exploded. It still works. <SadMike> wow <Bruce> There are grand end-game issues that I am concerned with, but it's not A pple or Microsoft that will make those dystopias real. It is the inability of pe ople to realize how to maintain control of those issues. In the meantime, just d on't actively get in my way while I'm doing what I need to do. <Henshaw> With Suri you could teach your phone to scream when you dropped it. <jpli> but that's too late! <rmcormond> I've dropped my Nexus 1. <SadMike> LOL, Henshaw <jpli> a friend told me his iphone screen cracked as he left it in his car in th e winter.. <Bruce> My iPhone 3G has been dropped multiple times. and I agree with shane abo ut the speed. <mike> i know someone who smashed the back of there i phone <bonghitter> wonder who that was? <rmcormond> @Bruce -- My concern isn't about Apple's products so much as their l obbying. They have been spending a lot of resources over the years trying to ch ange laws to revoke many relevant rights when it applies to digital technology. <mike> :) <Bruce> Still have, somewhere, the 3rd gen iPod colour. 30Gb. Would still work i f I found the charge cable. <Bruce> Andrew, that's Apple's fault how? <wiseman> http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/04/new-iphone-the-s-is-for-sucker/. <acurrie> they should make their laptops plane seat proof! <mike> bonghitter you love apple right

<bonghitter> not really <mike> s is for sensational <mike> super <jeffyGinDC> CNN has Ronald Wayne - co-founder of Apple Computer on the phone WHO??? <SadMike> Huh? <Henshaw> Enough. <mike> i am going to wait for iphone 7, spent 700 on my unlocked iphone 4 <bonghitter> you do that <wiseman> And in related news, the BC government loves their iPads, http://blog s.theprovince.com/2011/10/04/how-many-ipads-has-the-b-c-government-bought/. <mike> bonghitter just admit you love apple iphone <bonghitter> dont make me come over and beat you <wiseman> Jesse Brown http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/searchengine/index.cfm?pag e_id=613&action=blog&subaction=viewpost&blog_id=485&post_id=18431&CFID=3304618&C FTOKEN=17943435. <acurrie> russell, you wanna jump back on? <mike> the government should by every Canadian an ipad <rmcormond> Sure, if you'd like. <Alex> W00t - Russell! <SadMike> http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/searchengine/index.cfm?page_id=613&acti on=blog&subaction=viewpost&blog_id=485&post_id=18431&CFID=3304618&CFTOKEN=179434 35 <mike> that was an awesome interview <bonghitter> havent listend to it yet <mike> james moor sucks american =====() <Henshaw> It was a little scary that the Minister of basically "Culture" spent m ost of his time defending game developers. * jeffyGinDC has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <Alex> mike - 0=======8 <Alex> That's how you do it :P <mike> thanks alex <wiseman> which host is typing loud? <Alex> ASCII win. <acurrie> vardy. he's ordering stuff from geek squad, or whatever it is <mike> his answers were all BS <wiseman> i have no comment or at least I will make no comment and yield my time to russell * JeffGignacinDC (Mibbit@ZeroNode-h5s3se.t1.cavtel.net) has joined #dyscultured * slackerjohnMD (webchat@ZeroNode-u4k.0r6.213.24.IP) has joined #dyscultured <SadMike> lol <Henshaw> Somebody needs to ask Moore for proof that the "Rights Holders" are ac tually making payments to the artists who are creating the content. <SadMike> Exactly, Henshaw. <mike> they are going to ram this law through <SadMike> yep...unless we stop it somehow <bonghitter> stupid question, how can we stop this <mike> we have take james moore hostage <Henshaw> None of these guys are ever in a position where they can't be touched. Under a parliamentary system they are all responsible to their own constituents . Ergo -- call your MP -- because they love to hear from people who actually kno w what they're talking about. <mike> lol <mike> muppet <mike> awesome <bonghitter> let hear it <SadMike> rmcormond Can you give bonghitter some ideas? <wiseman> c11.ca <SadMike> MP James Moore, everybody...YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! (waves arms frantically) <bonghitter> great thanks!

<slackerjohnMD> What about ACTA? ...asks someone who's not Anthony Marco. ;-) <mike> They signed acta <mike> another thing main stream media didn't mention <wiseman> i dont get that technawl o geee * heywood (Mibbit@ZeroNode-jsish5.bmo.com) has joined #dyscultured <wiseman> Pirate Party of Canada https://www.pirateparty.ca/uncategorized/new-c opyright-bill-tories-learned-nothing. <bonghitter> mike thanks <SadMike> https://www.pirateparty.ca/uncategorized/new-copyright-bill-tories-lea rned-nothing <rmcormond> The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement is counterfeit: it is dishon est about the origins and nature of the agreement. <wiseman> But, big surprise, http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/Septemb er2011/29/c7748.html! * mike is now known as realmichaelm <SadMike> http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2011/29/c7748.html * JeffGignacinDC has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <slackerjohnMD> "Music Canada, formerly known as the Canadian Recording Industry Association, appeared before the legislative committee reviewing Bill C-32 alon g with artists Loreena McKennitt"... wanting to save the popcorn vendors. <Alex> EVERYBODY RELAX, LOOK AT THIS: http://img2.etsystatic.com/il_fullxfull.15 6654686.jpg <Henshaw> This just in -- President Obama says Steve Jobs changed the way EVERY ONE OF US sees the world. <wiseman> Things are looking up for RIM s http://insights.chitika.com/2011/mobile-d evice-manufacturer-market-september-2011-update/ & http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/1 0/05/rim-stock-is-currently-up-12-today/. <rmcormond> BTW: My ASUS Transformer is on its way to my home... <Henshaw> Thanks Russell! Great stuff. <SadMike> http://insights.chitika.com/2011/mobile-device-manufacturer-market-sep tember-2011-update/ <SadMike> Thanks Russell...much obliged! <realmichaelm> thanks russell <SadMike> http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/10/05/rim-stock-is-currently-up-12-today/ <SadMike> Hey slackerjohnMD <slackerjohnMD> yo <realmichaelm> bonghitter how's your BB, any more problems? <bonghitter> realmichaelm all good here <rmcormond> @bonghitter Re: Bill. Long term fight. Here are some of the meetin gs I've had over the years with Fed MP's http://www.flora.ca/mp.shtml . Anyone who wants to chat with their MP, I'll offer to help any way I can. If meeting in Ottawa, I can be moral support and go in with you/etc. <bonghitter> rmcormond thanks <slackerjohnMD> @rmcormond We need a snazzy infographic to explain how bad C11 i s... doesn't even have to be true :-) <SadMike> chatroom...thoughts on the term "pc" is to microsoft as "tablet" is to iPad. <rmcormond> @slackerjohnMD I'm a techie geek (Hardware, programmer, sysadmin). I'd love to work with artists who want to do great visuals. As you'll note, th e digital-copyright.ca website has a boring Drupal default theme... <acurrie> hey sadmike, we're getting pretty close to scrollbar, aren't we? <rmcormond> My Transformer on the way -- I'm excited. <SadMike> we are! <SadMike> nice, rmcormond! we'll have to have you on to review it! <rmcormond> Pad is specific to iPad, tablets have existed long before the iPad a nd will exist long after Apple's no longer doing them. * jpli has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <SadMike> but he perception to the public doesn't seem to demonstrate that, rmco rmond. would you agree? <slackerjohnMD> Surely there must be a JoBlo link this week!?! :-(

<SadMike> again...bringing Henshaw's point on marketing vs. visionary to the for efront... <SadMike> No JoBlo link. <slackerjohnMD> <sadeyes> Hanging out in the ICU. <rmcormond> I don't think the "general public" cares. It's like my mother or w ife who use Linux, but have no clue why people care so much -- they all look the same, except the pricetag of the Apple option being much higher. <realmichaelm> ipad made tablet computing main stream <wiseman> WIND Mobile gets funding, http://www.techvibes.com/blog/wind-mobile-s ecures-500-million-in-funding-with-strings-attached-2011-09-29. <SadMike> agreed realmichaelm <SadMike> http://www.techvibes.com/blog/wind-mobile-secures-500-million-in-fundi ng-with-strings-attached-2011-09-29 <SadMike> sorry wiseman <wiseman> sorry for ? * Ian (Mibbit@ZeroNode-hh0npg.cable.rogers.com) has joined #dyscultured <SadMike> valid point, rmcormond <rmcormond> For many people, Amazon made tablets mainstream. Apple just added colour to something that worked better in reflective B&W. <SadMike> i think Amazon made e-readers mainstream, not tablets. <wiseman> didn't have a mixer knob to pot down . on an alternate setup <SadMike> bess you, wiseman <SadMike> *bless <wiseman> But Currie s starting to worry http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/10/05/mobilici ty-offering-free-butterball-turkey-to-new-subscribers/. <SadMike> http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/10/05/mobilicity-offering-free-butterballturkey-to-new-subscribers/ <rmcormond> If you define "tablet" as "device identical to the iPad" then yes, t he iPad made tablets mainstream. If you use the term more broadly to what othe r people consider to be tablets, then they are just one of many players. <SadMike> fair enough <realmichaelm> i think rogers should get all the specturm <slackerjohnMD> As god is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. <wiseman> get a sort of pricey plan we kill a bird <rmcormond> Spectrum auctions are outdated, based on antiquated technology. Gov ernment shouldn't be in the business of subsidizing monopolists. <wiseman> Pew Pew! <wiseman> http://kottke.org/11/10/new-season-of-arrested-development. Not a fan . Sorry (not really sorry). <wiseman> Fuck you, Russell. No, http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2011/10/02/r ussell-brand-canada.html. <wiseman> Amazon hobbles http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/tech-ne ws/kindles-fire-will-be-dampened-in-canada-by-lack-of-streaming-services/article 2186377/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=feedburner&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheGlobeAndMai l-Technology+(The+Globe+and+Mail+-+Technology+News for Canada. <wiseman> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/09/29/microsoft-taking-zune-to-c anada-revamping-zune-pass/? <wiseman> http://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/09/30/klout-has-competition-peoplebro wsr-announces-new-social-influence-tracker-kred/, Mike Vardy <wiseman> http://thinkgeek.com/blog/2011/09/good-news-for-canadian-wallets.html , too. <realmichaelm> wow to many links <wiseman> I get lazy by the time we get to pew pew <bonghitter> pew pew! <realmichaelm> lol <rmcormond> http://ca.movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Arrested_Development/70140358?t rkid=1889703 <realmichaelm> pew pew <rmcormond> What's this TV stuff anyway? Cable sucks! <slackerjohnMD> needs to work on Branding... pewpew

<realmichaelm> xena is on netflix now, :) <rmcormond> Watched "Once more, with feeling" from Buffy last evening when I not iced it was on Netflix -- think it was newly added. <slackerjohnMD> cloud music not in Canada <slackerjohnMD> @rmcormond They got the mustard out! <realmichaelm> nothing is available in canada <realmichaelm> pew pew <rmcormond> "Music Canada" standing in the way of licensing of music. Composers and Performers getting pick-pocketed yet again. <rmcormond> @realmichaelm Annoying when products not here. Tried to get a Goog le Chromebook, but was told "Get your money out of my face, Canuckastani" <SadMike> SHOUTOUTS! <SadMike> http://twitter.com/#!/adamrmcd * dysciple-145 (Mibbit@ZeroNode-d5lptn.cable.rogers.com) has joined #dyscultured <realmichaelm> @rmcormond i know, it's so annoying * dysciple-145 has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <slackerjohnMD> No scrollbar :-( <rmcormond> No scollbar? Depends on the size of your client, eh :-) <slackerjohnMD> I think it's inappropriate to talk about my "client" in public : -) <bonghitter> this was great!! <SadMike> thanks bonghitter! <realmichaelm> great show <SadMike> thanks realmicihaelm! <acurrie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5E3ngSXrWA <rmcormond> I spend a lot of my time thinking of the relative caucus size of fed eral political parties, so..... <SadMike> whoops...realmichaelm <realmichaelm> :) <rmcormond> Shanesworld.com <acurrie> http://www.reddit.com/r/android <realmichaelm> i wonder whats trending on twitter ? <slackerjohnMD> Plurked <bonghitter> mike brown from the leafs is trending <realmichaelm> bonghitter really? <acurrie> that's a wrap <realmichaelm> i have a diggnation shirt <SadMike> woot. thanks chatroom! <wiseman> great room <bonghitter> yeah, forgot the hashtag <acurrie> peaceowt <rmcormond> Off -- listening later. <bonghitter> later <heywood> only caught 1/4 but guess that's what podcasts are for.. thanks for th e show! <Henshaw> Thanks guys! <realmichaelm> thanks guys <realmichaelm> great show, * acurrie flicks the lights on and off * Henshaw has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") * bonghitter has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") * Alex has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") <heywood> apple..apple...apple...apple.. <realmichaelm> later all, have a G night * heywood has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") * bootprint has quit ([ZN] Quit: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")

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