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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

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DISTRICT OF OREGON

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PORTLAND DIVISION
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5 W. BRAND BOBOSKY and WE NOT

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ME, LTD.,

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Plaintiffs,

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No. CV1O-630-PK
9 ADIDAS AG d/b/a THE ADIDAS

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GROUP, ADIDAS AMERICA, INC.,

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180LA, LLC, NBA PROPERTIES,

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INC., NBA MEDIA VENTURES, LLC,

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BANNER SEVENTEEN LLC d/b/a THE

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BOSTON CELTICS, and KEVIN

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GARNETT,

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Defendants.
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VOLUME II
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VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF WILLARD BRAND BOBOSKY

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Taken in behalf of Defendants

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Q. What does it mean?

2 A. It means that the applicant, which is the

3 corporation, has an intention to use the mark in

4 connection with a particular class, which I

5 think appears later, class 25.
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Q. Is it your understanding this is the entirety of
7 class 25?
8 A. I dont know. Theres an awful lot of items
9 there.
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Q.
And towards the bottom of the page theres a, in
11 the center a declaration heading. Do you see
12 that?
13 A. Yes.
14
Q.
And Mr. Ambrogi, as your attorney, signed the
15 declaration stating "The undersigned, being
16 hereby warned that willful false statements and
17 the like so made are punishable by fine or
18 imprisonment or both under 18 Usc section 1001
19 and that such willful false statements and the
20 like may jeopardize the validity of the
21 application or any resulting registration,
22 declares that he/she is properly authorized to
23 execute this application on behalf of the
24 applicant; he/she believes the applicant to be
25 the owner of the trademark/service mark sought
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8 them, again, my understanding was that I am now

9 authorized within that class to affix my

10 trademark to items therein.

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But at no time, either prior to January 3rd,

12 2006, or after 2000, January 3rd, 2006, have you

13 manufactured or sold the vast majority of the

14 items that are listed here in class 25; correct?

15 A. Well, the, I dont know what you mean by vast

16 majority.

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We can do, we can do --

18 A. I have done, I have done shirts and some other

19 items. Again, I was never under the impression

20 that I had to do anything further than hats.
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Q. But this specific list of class 25 goods,
6 including rugby shirts misspelled, its not your
7 understanding that the trademark office put this
8 list in your application, is it?
9 A. Well, I, I dont know. Maybe theres 50 items
10 or so to choose from and maybe Mr. Ambrogi
11 selected them, or 25 or 15 or whatever it is.
12 I, again, I dont know where any of this came
13 from. I just proceeded to have him do the
14 filings and the selections.
15 (Exhibit 87 marked for identification.)
16
Q.
BY MR. FRIEDLAND: Lets look at what Ive
17 marked as Exhibit 87, which is a five-page
18 document bearing adidas production numbers 449
19 through 453. Are you familiar with this
20 document?
21 A. I dont know. Oh, this... Oh, this is entitled
22 the service mark statement of use.
23
Q.
So, and if you look at the second page, theres
24 a, I think youre on the third page. Theres a
25 block that says signature, signature section.
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1 Do you see that?
2 A. Yes.
3
Q.
And underneath Mr. Ambrogis name is the date
4 April 3rd, 2006. Do you see that?
5 A. Yes.
6
Q.
Which is roughly or exactly actually three
7 months after the date of the notice of allowance
8 that was --
9 A. Yes.
10
Q.
-- Exhibit 86? And does that refresh your
11 recollection as to whether or not this
12 particular application required extensions of
13 time?
14 A. Yes, it does. And obviously three months later
15 we did not go to any extensions of time for the
16 reasons that I gave you briefly.
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Okay. And right underneath where it says "keep
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all listed" it shows first use anywhere date and

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first use in commerce date both as October of

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2004. Do you see that?

12 A.

Yes.

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And on the next page it lists a specimen file

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name because Mr. Ambrogi would have uploaded the

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image that is the last page of this exhibit.

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And I think thats just the link to this

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particular picture and the specimen description

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states product labeling. Do you see that?

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A. Yes.

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Q.
Looking at the next page of this document, which

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is the typewritten form of the statement of use,

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the third paragraph that starts for

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international class 25, do you see that?

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A. Yes.

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Q.
"The applicant, which is We Not Me, or the
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1 applicants related company or licensee," and at
2 that time you had no licensees or related
3 companies; correct?
4 A. Correct.
5 Q. "Is using the mark jn ommer Ji
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11 A. It is certainly not correct.
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And the next paragraph goes on to state, "The
13 mark was first used by the applicant or the
14 applicants related company, licensee or
15 predecessor in interest," and none of those
16 existed other than your company at that time;
17 correct?
18 A. Correct.
19
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"At least as early as October," it says
20 "10/00/2004 and was first used in commerce at
21 least as early as that same date, 10-00-2004,
22 and is now in use in such commerce." Do you see
23 that?
24 A. Well, again, theyre talking about the mark was
25 first used. It doesnt say on every item. I
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1 say this, I was well aware of the extensions.
2 There was no point in me rushing to, to file a
3 statement of use three months after Im awarded
4 the registration. I could have stretched that
5 out for three years, and I would have had I
6 known that this is, this is the requirement.
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But Mr. Ambrogimfiled onApril 3it006,
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And you knew that?
15 A. I didnt know it was a false statement.
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You knew that your company was not using --
17 A. We never discussed that part of it. He filed
18 the statement. He procured the trademark. He,
19 he signed everything. He did it all. I have
20 conversations with him. I have to rely on
21 counsel that I pick and pay.
22
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So its your testimony that he made this false
23 statement without your knowledge?
24 A. Yes. And Im not so certain that he knew it was
25 false. Thats an assumption.
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correct?
Yes.
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And it was your understanding that once the
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statement of use was filed and you submitted the
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hats, that the trademark would issue and it
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would cover you for all the other goods you
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listed in class 25 because you had shown use on
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the hats?
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That was my understanding per Ambrogis advice.
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And it was your understanding that by submitting
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the statement of use to the trademark office, it
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is what the trademark office would rely upon in
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deciding whether or not to give you a trademark
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registration; correct?
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I, I dont know what their procedures are. I
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mean, it was a requirement. We submitted it and
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it issued. Why and how they do it, I, I have no
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clue.
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Q.
Just so the record is clear, as of April 3rd,
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2006, when Mr. Ambrogi filed the statement of
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use, you were not using We Not Me on
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sweatshirts, sweatpants, shirts, tank tops,
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1 and use in commerce?
2 A. Yes.
3
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And at the time that registration issued on
4 July 18, 2006, you, in fact, were not using We
5 Not Me in connection with any of the goods
6 listed on this registration except for arguably
7 hats and caps; correct?
8 A. Correct.
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So you placed adidas on notice. Part of adidas
8 response was to tell you that it felt you had
9 perpetrated a fraud on the trademark office, as
10 a result of which you entered into discussions
11 with your attorney, which Im not going to ask
12 you about, and subsequently you amended your
13 registration. Do I have that timeline generally
14 correct?
15 A. You, you have that correct, but Mr. Ambrogi was
16 very reluctant to, to file the amendment because
17 I --
18 MR. DRINNON: Objection, not responsive to
19 the question asked.
20
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BY MR. FRIEDLAND: You can answer the question.
21 A. Well --
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I dont want you to tell me what Mr. -- at this
23 point --
24 A. Okay. All right. Yes. Upon advice of counsel,
25 upon advice of counsel I did amend the
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familiar with this document?
I am.
And the last page of this exhibit, bearing
number 441, thats your signature under the
declaration; correct?
Thats my signature and its the only time I
ever signed anything before the trademark
office.
And is this the amendment to your registration
for We Not Me, which is Exhibit 89 that we were
just discussing, that you authorized Mr. Ambrogi
to file after adidas placed you on notice that
it thought you had perpetrated a fraud upon the
trademark office?
Yes.
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And was that amendment made withdur
authorization to Mr. Ambrogis office?
It was.
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Pins; correct?

21 A. Pardon?

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Pins?

23 A. Pins and key chains.

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Okay.

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(Exhibit 91 marked for identification.)
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1 A. Mr. Ambrogi did it.
2
Q. Why did you file a second application?
3 A. Well, because I wanted to continue to protect my
4 mark. And it was, since it had been amended to
5 just hats, I wanted to go further than that.
6
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How did you want to go further?
7 A. Well, protect myself in other areas.
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Such as?
9 A. Clothing and footwear.
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So you include clothing and footwear to cover
17 areas that you thought adidas might want to
18 cover?
19 A. Or somebody else.
20
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But at that time there was no somebody else, was
21 there?
22 A. How do I know whos out there? There turned out
23 to be a lot of people that came aboard the We
24 Not Me bandwagon.
25
Q.
In March of 2008 you were several months into
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making allegations that adidas had violated your

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rights; correct?

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A. Several months into it, yes.

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Q. Okay. So, and adidas is a well-known apparel

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and footwear company?

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A. That they are. Doesnt give them the right to

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steal my mark.

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This application was also filed by Mr. Ambrogi

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on the basis of your companys bona fide

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intention to use the mark in commerce; correct?

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A. Correct.

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What were your plans with respect to using We

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Not Me in connection with footwear as of

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March 19, 2008?

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To apply the trademark to all levels of

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clothing, from top to bottom, hats, to clothes

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on the body, to their feet that they walk in.

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My question was directed to footwear, what were

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your plans?

20 A.

That was part of it.

21
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And what --

22 A.

Footwear was top to bottom. Footwear was the

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bottom part.

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And what specific pans had you put into motion
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BY MR. FRIEDLAND: Handing you Exhibit 93 which
14 bears adidas production numbers 533 and 534, it
15 is the next document in the file history of the
16 second We Not Me trademark registration. Do you
17 recall the trademark office issuing an office
18 action and seeking a more definite
19 identification of the goods you were seeking to
20 register?
21 A. I dont remember this. This, again, was handled
22 by Mr. Ambrogi.
23 (Exhibit 94 marked for identification.)
24
Q.
BY MR. FRIEDLAND: Exhibit 94, Bates production
25 numbers 530 to 532 from adidas, its entitled
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And--
2 A. You know, they dont just hand these things to
3 you. You pay your lawyer to get it for you.
4 You pay the filing fees.
5 MR. DRINNON: Brand, is there a question
6 pending?
7 THE WITNESS: No.
8 MR. DRINNON: I object to you answering when
9 theres not a question pending.
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Yes.
(Exhibit 96 marked for identification.)
BY MR. FRIEDLAND: Handing you Exhibit 96, which
is the next document in the file history of this
particular trademark, bearing production numbers
from adidas 509 to 512. Were you aware that
Mr. Ambrogi filed an extension of time to file a
statement of use on your behalf in connection
with this particular trademark application?
I think so. Trying to see the date on it.
Wheres the date?
On the second page right below his name,
October 29, 2009.
A. Yes, I am.
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MR. FRIEDLAND: Faked you out there.
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MR. DRINNON: Yeah, you did.
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Q.
BY MR. FRIEDLAND: Handing you Exhibit 97, which
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is a, the next document in the file history of
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the registry for trademark bearing adidas
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production numbers 495 through 507 and entitled
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trademark/service mark statement of use. Are
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1 of the web page, the one on the right, is that a
2 representation of the shirts?
3 A. It would appear to be.
4
Q.
Okay. And then if we jump ahead to page 506 and
5 507, are those additional pages that focus on
6 the shirts themselves?
7 A. 506 does, yes, and 507, too.
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14 A. Thats corret.
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Okay. And yesterday you and your counsel
16 provided us several samples. Im going to show
17 you -- And Im going to call it off-white. You
18 may have a more official color for it -- an
19 off-white color version for the shirt --
20 A. I think its sand.
21
Q.
-- sand version of the shirt. And can you
22 confirm for me that, in fact, the shirt, which
23 Im going to identify as the next number in our
24 sequence, 98, is an actual version of the shirts
25 that are shown on the web pages that we were
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1 discussing?
2 A. I believe it is.
3
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And this shirt, like the ones in the photos, has
4 the words We Not Me on the left sleeve?
5 A. Has it on the left sleeve and, yes, and I would
6 say it also says it via the symbol.
rect
1 Th a t I s correct.
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And thats a third party that manufactured the
12 shirt as a blank; correct?
13 A. I, I dont know. I had them purchased through,
14 I wish I could remember the name of that
15 company. Its not Minuteman. Its the other
16 company.
17
Q.
Players Choice?
18 A. That would be it. Yes.
19
Q.
The T-shirt that is Exhibit 98 is, have you
20 sold, other than different color T-shirts, have
21 you sold different versions or designs of a We
22 Not Me T-shirt?
23 A. No. The T-shirts that were sold though do
24 contain that tag line as well. You were talking
25 about identification of whats on it and who
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1 supplied it. The tag line that is there as
2 well.
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By tag line, are you referring to what Im going
4 to hand you and Im going to mark it as 99 as
5 soon as we talk about it and figure out how I
6 can mark it. What is Exhibit 99?
7 A. This is affixed to the clothes, the hat, the
8 flip flops and the shirts identifying, further
9 identifying the source of the goods as, excuse
10 me, just to complete, the source of the goods
11 being We Not Me, Limited.
12
Q.
Who printed these for you?
13 A. I believe Minuteman Press did.
14
Q.
And would I find among the various Minuteman
15 Press invoices youve given me in this case in
16 discovery an invoice reflecting the printing of
17 these?
18 A. I dont know. I had several drafts done and
19 Ive had a relationship with that company for
20 25 years and something as small as this Im not
21 certain if they would have even billed me or if
22 they would have put, added whatever it was to
23 another bill. I just dont know.
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But the tag that youre holding in your hand as
21 Exhibit 99 was not affixed to the hats prior to
22 May of 07 when you moved to the 34 West Chicago
23 Avenue; correct?
24 A. Thats correct.
25
Q.
How are, what do you call these cards that are
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1 Exhibit 99?

2 A. Hangtags.

3
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How are they affixed to the various products?

4 A. Theyre attached. My secretary would do it.

5 And this is, and Im not certain how she would

6 affix them and, and then cause them to be mailed

7 out if they were a web purchase.

8
Q.
So the two web purchasers we saw documents about

9 yesterday, Gabe Martin and Rachel Knox, they

10 would have received these products with these

11 hangtags affixed to them?

12 A. Thats what I believe. Thats my, that would

13 be, would have been my instructions to them.

14 think that they certainly did have the tag with
15 them.
16
Q.
Do you know that for a fact?

17 A. Im almost positive because I think I was there

18 when I was giving instructions.
You testified yesterday that other than 1eM
20 theinernet there were,WqXXbus aiei; think

21
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Page 223
1 nc1ude these hangtags?
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15
Q.
Can you take a look at Exhibit 38 a second,

16 which is your updated expense list.

17 A. Are you finished with these?

18
Q.
For the moment I am. Yes, sir.

19 A. Yes.

20 MR. FRIEDLAND: Stephen, I am doing this for

21 now. Is that okay?

22 MR. DRINNON: Sure.
23 MR. FRIEDLAND: Since we have multiples of
24 this, what Im going do is put it on a piece of
25 paper with both sides, that way well know. And
Beovich Walter & Friend
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Willard Bobosky

September 7, 2011
Page 289
CERTIFICATE
2
3
I, Aleshia K. Maeom, CSR No. 94-0296, do
4
hereby certify that WILLARD BRAND BOBOSKY
S
personally appeared before me at the time and
6
place mentioned in the caption herein; that the
7
witness was by me first duly sworn on oath, and
8
examined upon oral interrogatories propounded by
9
counsel; that said examination, together with
10
the testimony of said witness, was taken down by
11
me in stenotype and thereafter reduced to
12
typewriting; and that the foregoing transcript,
13
Pages 163 to 288, both inclusive, constitutes a
14
full, true and accurate record of said
15
examination of and testimony given by said
16
witness, and of all other proceedings had during
17
the taking of said deposition, and of the whole
18
thereof, to the best of my ability.
19
Witness my hand at Portland, Oregon, this
20
13th d September, 2011.
Oregon
CSM
23
Aleshia K. Macam
24
CSR No 94-0296
25
.Beovich Walter & Friend
Exhibit B
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