Archive Session 87

ukedchat Archive 1 Mar 2012 Hosted by @jamesmichie
Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century?
19:59 jamesmichie 19:59 oldandrewuk 19:59 jamesmichie 20:00 ukedchat 20:01 jamesmichie 20:01 oldandrewuk 20:01 YMSchools 20:01 rashush2 20:01 theDTguy 20:01 jamesmichie 20:01 Mr_D_Cheng 20:02 oldandrewuk 20:02 jamesmichie 20:02 ICTmagic 20:02 jamesmichie 20:02 kvnmcl 20:02 rashush2
And we're off. Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. RT @ukedchat: Remember to unprotect your tweets, use the #ukedchat hashtag and have fun during #ukedchat tonight. It's about to start... So are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? #ukedchat It's 8pm - Discussing Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? @jamesmichie as host #ukedchat I would contend that technologies and social tools such as Twitter are eroding the need for schools to be physical spaces. #ukedchat #ukedchat The system is broken and so I am quite happy for people to excape it, including (sane) home schoolers. Transitions and coping with change... many resources here: http://t.co/lp4ac05L #wellbeing #teachers #ukedchat #duedchat #edchat Learning community is necessary. For KS1 and 2 would say probably needs to be face2face. Does that need a school? #ukedchat @JennieKWilliams @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest http://t.co/piG53kZl #edchat #edtech #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Is home schooling enough. What gets lost in that situation? What abt social skills? #ukedchat #ukedchat - kids learn much more at school then knowledge. Skills (be they social or academic) as important #ukedchat However, it is not broken because it is traditional, knowledge-based, academic and authoritarian, but because it isn't. @Mr_D_Cheng Are schools the only place that kids can learn skills thoough? #ukedchat @jamesmichie If we are talking about home schooling, isn't that already an option that millions have not acted upon? #ukedchat RT @ICTmagic: @jamesmichie If we are talking about home schooling, isn't that already an option that millions have not acted upon? #ukedchat Physical spaces will be still be needed as people need to be with people physically, not only online #ukedchat @jamesmichie Looking at my y1s today, ability to share
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colouring pencils, take turns, work out problems... #ukedchat #ukedchat topic: Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? with 20:03 ukedchat @jamesmichie as host 20:03 jamesmichie @ICTmagic But many other have. #ukedchat Schools are important for the social aspect that learners 20:03 mrsngreen experience #ukedchat #ukedchat schools are necessary for social learning but should transcend 9-5 mon-fri more cloud learning for kids 20:03 learningjay plus community use @jamesmichie #ukedchat no but the level of care and support some pupils recieve at school has a massive 20:03 Mr_D_Cheng impact on their lives #ukedchat It is broken because of dumbing-down, The Behaviour Crisis and bureaucracy. That is what needs to 20:03 oldandrewuk be fixed. @rashush2 I agree with need for face to face partic at this stage (age) .place they learn needs to be diff to current 20:03 tmeeky situ though #ukedchat 20:03 jamesmichie @kvnmcl Does that describe a school though? #ukedchat 20:03 ClaireJoanneICT Thoughts about virtual schools... #ukedchat RT @kvnmcl: Physical spaces will be still be needed as people need to be with people physically, not only online 20:03 chrissinerantzi #ukedchat #ukedchat How would you teach PSED? I think school spaces need to dramatically change and evolve but still 20:03 Sarah_L_Vickery be a physical space. 20:04 rashush2 and what about kids whose home life is dire? #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat It is broken because of dumbing-down, The Behaviour Crisis and bureaucracy. 20:04 jamesdhobsonuk That is what needs to be fixed. #ukedchat We can do without "deschooling" rhetoric. Order is not a bad thing. Knowledge is not a bad thing. 20:04 oldandrewuk Being taught is not a bad thing. @jamesmichie And of course that is their right and I wish them well. But do we as a nation activity encourage this? 20:04 ICTmagic #ukedchat @tmeeky @rashush2 any suggestions abt what that 20:04 jamesmichie space might be? #ukedchat 20:04 hlmrmo How are we defining 'learning'? #ukedchat 20:04 cherrylkd @Mr_D_Cheng I agree. Can't learn social skills, manners
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20:05 oldpolitics 20:05 nick_chater 20:05 staffbroddyfi 20:05 jamesmichie 20:05 Badgerove 20:05 PeterSpencer88 20:05 tmeeky 20:06 dajbconf 20:06 rashush2 20:06 te_ach_er 20:06 oldandrewuk 20:06 Mr_D_Cheng
and discipline off web. Sometimes not at home either #ukedchat What about open learning spaces/space to move around in classrooms for roleplays, dialogues & presentations instead of just desks? #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat Aren't schools needed to facilitate what socialists deem 'encounters'? Efforts towards social cohesion etc? RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat We can do without "deschooling" rhetoric. Order is not a bad thing. Knowledge is not a bad thing. Being taught is not a bad thing. #ukedchat: do we socialise in age groups, specifically within our birth year, when we leave school? RT @YMSchools: Transitions and coping with change... many resources here: http://t.co/lp4ac05L #wellbeing #teachers #ukedchat #duedchat #edchat RT @nick_chater: #ukedchat: do we socialise in age groups, specifically within our birth year, when we leave school? Though I dont hold that the physical space actually needs to be a 'school'. Can be anywhere #ukedchat @jamesmichie it is a depressing thought that the internet and social media could result in everyone being home schooled #ukedchat @jamesmichie A pplace that's flexible, fluid and stimulating... the teacher(s) are also key to this working (or not) #ukedchat #ukedchat is on now - may be of interest to those at #DML2012 who haven't come across this one-hour weekly Thursday session? @oldandrewuk Being constantly assessed on a narrow skill set with no space for creativity can be damaging #ukedchat @jamesmichie I would tend to agree with you but I think it's vital to have the opportunity to deal with others 'face to face' also #ukedchat #ukedchat Google is no replacement for knowledge. Youtube videos are no replacement for a teacher who can answer questions. @jamesmichie #ukedchat yes. I see school as a learning community. Learning is the most imp thing that
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happens, community side also massive @oldandrewuk But do we? Mitra would argue that teacher input is not that important to fostering learning. 20:06 jamesmichie #ukedchat RT @Mr_D_Cheng: @jamesmichie #ukedchat yes. I see school as a learning community. Learning is the most 20:06 jamesmichie imp thing that happens, community side also massive RT @dajbconf: #ukedchat is on now - may be of interest to those at #DML2012 who haven't come across this one20:06 jamesmichie hour weekly Thursday session? #ukedchat Some teaching can take place on line, but it is 20:06 oldandrewuk rarely as effective as being face to face. Follow tonight's #ukedchat by searching for this hashtag. 20:06 ukedchat The discussion is just warming up. RT @dajbconf: #ukedchat is on now - may be of interest to those at #DML2012 who haven't come across this one20:07 ICTmagic hour weekly Thursday session? @dajbconf Ta for the promo Doug. Hope ur having a fab 20:07 jamesmichie time. :-) #ukedchat 20:07 LeafltdBristol @jamesmichie #ukedchat plus http://t.co/RFdt8AfA @kvnmcl I agree but online options can be useful for 20:07 ClaireJoanneICT pupils who can't get to traditional schools #ukedchat #ukedchat There is no "factory model" of schooling. No need to reinvent the wheel. That said setting by ages is 20:07 oldandrewuk unnecessary. @oldandrewuk Can it make face to face teaching more 20:07 MattOswin effective? #ukedchat @nick_chater school I work at has 2 yr mixed classes & family grps that stretch across whole schl for as much 20:08 Sarah_L_Vickery age mixing as poss #ukedchat #ukedchat topic: Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? with 20:08 ukedchat @jamesmichie hosting @BobToms100 I agree, learning should be done 20:08 PeterSpencer88 outdoors and outside the classroom as well #ukedchat #ukedchat I blog and record podcasts for the blog and vle 20:08 mrpeel to support but still want to meet them to discuss... @jamesmichie lets not forget that physical schools can be safe places for many vulnerable young people - social 20:08 lizzard85 media useful tool! #ukedchat 20:08 jamesmichie RT @ClaireJoanneICT: @kvnmcl I agree but online options can be useful for pupils who can't get to traditional
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schools #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Google is no replacement for knowledge. Youtube videos are no replacement for a teacher who can answer questions. Here's what that great educationalist M. Gove and visionary futurist had to say about schooling: http://t.co/G6rkCgKn #ukedchat @jamesmichie Not just teacher input, but response to qs from wider group of pupils. Home learners miss breadth of qs & experience. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I agree. Trying to do tutorials and tests online on my own has not worked well for me #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: Remember to unprotect your tweets, use the #ukedchat hashtag and have fun during #ukedchat tonight. It's about to start... RT @mberry: Here's what that great educationalist M. Gove and visionary futurist had to say about schooling: http://t.co/G6rkCgKn #ukedchat My 8 yr old is sitting in... she says friends are important in the learning environment .. social learning is important #ukedchat @rashush2 #ukedchat "Creativity" is an excuse for dumbing down. A bad excuse. https://t.co/cPwW3Zp1 There is no generic "creativity" skill. #ukedchat I wonder if we need 5 days a week in school after a certain age - embrace online fora possibly It is important that children can ask questions - how are they answered from an online or 'virtual' school? #ukedchat These are exciting times to learn anywhere, but you need the social elements of learning to achieve higher order development. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk human interaction is essentially especially in primary schools #ukedchat @mrpeel could discuss via video conferencing if money/equipment was not an issue. #ukedchat #ukedchat I like the idea of leaving the school and going out to learn. Our school does it a lot. Visiting community and workplaces is good School prepares for a later life, so why not continue good primary practice, e.g. nature & gardens, to sec phase --> horticulture. #ukedchat
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20:09 CliveBuckley 20:09 jamesmichie 20:09 Totallywired77 20:10 Mr_D_Cheng 20:10 DJToadie 20:10 hlmrmo 20:10 oldandrewuk 20:10 jamesmichie 20:10 BrightAire 20:10 RunFunStarz 20:10 oldandrewuk 20:10 oldandrewuk 20:10 oldandrewuk 20:10 oldandrewuk 20:11 mberry 20:11 rashush2 20:11 McAuleyEnglish 20:11 jamesmichie 20:11 Penny_Ten 20:11 Mr_D_Cheng
What are teachers for if they do not teach? #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat I wonder if we need 5 days a week in school after a certain age - embrace online fora possibly<-- interesting point. @oldandrewuk are you aware of the SAMR model Andrew? #ukedchat #ukedchat how do the kids learn the necessray IT skills without teaching? Not all kids have PC's at home! #ukedchat kids staying at home more to stay online , we need schools for social interaction as well as learning, @amyparkinbed Our VLE has a discussion forum. Not the same as face to face, but questions can be asked and answered #ukedchat @nick_chater #ukedchat Certainly worth asking why. It would be easy to give teachers more time for teaching. Just bin the paperwork. @CliveBuckley I don't consider myself a teacher, more a facilitator / leader / co-learner. #ukedchat How would kids cop off at school discos without school discos? #ukedchat #showingmyage @ukedchat It depends what kind of learning is being facilitated but they are not always needed #ukedchat @Totallywired77 #ukedchat No. @Totallywired77 #ukedchat No. RT @jamesdradburn: @oldandrewuk human interaction is essentially especially in primary schools #ukedchat RT @jamesdradburn: @oldandrewuk human interaction is essentially especially in primary schools #ukedchat @jamesmichie Necessary to keep children out of the way, give them something to do, and learn to get on with semi-random others. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Any actual evidence for that assertion? #ukedchat @jamesmichie Can't help thinking adopting Mitra approach is a bit like saying 'aren't wells marvellous: no need for taps.'#ukedchat @hlmrmo @amyparkinbed but VLE can engage students who opt out in class. #ukedchat #ukedchat can't answer the question w/out defining purpose of learning. Workforce preparation? Exam passes? General mind expanding? #ukedchat hands up if you have a bunsen burner, gym,
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lathe all at home? Learning is not prescribed every days a school day a leaning exp for us too how can online tutorials facilitate 20:11 Lil_Miss_Brina #ukedchat RT @kvnmcl: Physical spaces will be still be needed as people need to be with people physically, not only online 20:11 essentialshaz #ukedchat #ukedchat consider that IBO offer online courses in many disciplines for areas where school might be many miles 20:11 mrpeel away - seems to work @SheliBB #ukedchat Technology is never as dependable 20:11 oldandrewuk as it needs to be. You always have to plan a back-up. I feel a hijacking afoot with the 'creativity is dumbing 20:11 kvnmcl down' nonsense. Leave that for another day #ukedchat @CliveBuckley you may teach via the computer, it does 20:11 SwayGrantham not have to be within a classroom #ukedchat RT @kvnmcl: Physical spaces will be still be needed as people need to be with people physically, not only online 20:11 nickotkdIV #ukedchat RT @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest 20:11 CarpenterMat http://t.co/gGaJ5bA2 #edchat #edtech #ukedchat @jamesmichie @hlmrmo @amyparkinbed Agreed - some of our most enthusiastic VLE learners are less engaged in 20:11 MattOswin class #ukedchat 20:12 oldandrewuk @rashush2 #ukedchat I linked to a longer explanation. Physical chools allow for collaborative learning in a way that is next to impossible with technology alone 20:12 AliceBakesCakes #ukedchat RT @infernaldepart: 29 Reasons Why Every Child Should Blog. http://t.co/PRWyDN5y #blogging #ukedchat 20:12 truxst5 #truxst #follow http://t.co/yeUU4WMy 20:12 tmeeky @kvnmcl yeah don;t rise to that one #ukedchat 20:12 rashush2 @kvnmcl Fair comment! :-) #ukedchat I'm not sure that Girlschool were a 'physical space', but I know I learned a lot from the 'Race With The Devil' video 20:12 hip_teacher #ukedchat #aces @SwayGrantham @CliveBuckley i agreee. social interaction is important for personal and social 20:12 nickotkdIV development #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat consider that IBO offer online courses in many disciplines for areas where school might 20:12 jamesmichie be many miles away - seems to work
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#ukedchat online work need not be silent - anyone any experience of teaching in Oz outback for example? @AliceBakesCakes here here! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk there is an added stress of network failure in timed tests too. I like learning with others. I learn from others #ukedchat @tmeeky: My 8 yr old is sitting in. She says friends are important in the learning environment .. social learning is important #ukedchat @mrpeel Yes, but to support, enhance and complement learning from at school, not replace it. Online should be part of the mix. #ukedchat Schools, physical schools, act as centres of the community...or should do #ukedchat RT @AliceBakesCakes Physical chools allow for collaborative learning in a way that is next to impossible with technology alone #ukedchat @BrightAire it's an important consideration! Can't always rely on web for that #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat I doubt the ability of schools to teach "social skills". I also doubt the existence of generic social skills. @oldandrewuk /all/ technology? #ukedchat @shelibb I feel kinda greedy but why choose? School with great VLE - everyones a winner? #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @jamesmichie #ukedchat I doubt the ability of schools to teach "social skills". I also doubt the existence of generic social skills. #ukedchat the last thing we wan to do is remove functioning public spaces Whatever classroom setup of desks, is there enough room to learn/practice life skills such as negotiating? #ukedchat @amyparkinbed @jamesmichie Yes. Agree with that. But confidence also needed on the VLE as everyone can answer a question #ukedchat @mikeatedji Yes - they expose us to difference and positive otherness too. #ukedchat Can children really develop their interpersonal skills/empathy without being in an environment with others? It's hard to see how. #ukedchat the social learning is one of the more important skill in
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deprived areas #ukedchat RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat the last thing we wan to do is remove functioning public spaces <-- agreed. But are 20:14 jamesmichie schools 'functioning'? I missed 4 years of school due to illness, my virtual friends were my social interaction and got me through just 20:14 SwayGrantham fine #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat And Mitra is wrong. Minimal guidance has been tried again and again for over 100 20:14 oldandrewuk years, and always fails. RT @Badgerove: @mikeatedji Yes - they expose us to 20:14 Mr_D_Cheng difference and positive otherness too. #ukedchat So true! @mikeatedji: #ukedchat the last thing we 20:14 Sarah_L_Vickery wan to do is remove functioning public spaces RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Google is no replacement for knowledge. Youtube videos are no replacement for a 20:14 ManOfSteeles teacher who can answer questions. RT @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest 20:14 23Cwatson23 http://t.co/gGaJ5bA2 #edchat #edtech #ukedchat @te_ach_er agree need to work with other in the flesh 20:14 nickotkdIV #ukedchat @ukedchat The Florida Virtual School http://t.co/ziM1FBKY presented at the Schools Network 20:14 TeamTait Conference this yr, very interesting #ukedchat School buildings should be less about learning knowledge 20:15 Spencerayres for exams @Michael_Merrick Think this is a valid discussion 20:15 jamesmichie @kerileaf would agree too. #ukedchat Does learning need structure - either physical or 20:15 CliveBuckley personal? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham are you in favour or against? 20:15 nickotkdIV #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat Here's why it doesn't work: http://t.co/dDOz1b8S This is why it always has to be 20:15 oldandrewuk introduced as a new innovation. RT @ICTEvangelist: @jamesmichie iTunesU opens up 20:15 MissKMcD lots of opportunities for MOOC education #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji Yes. Schools, in a building, are by far the best environment to teach children in. 20:15 Educationchat #ukedchat #nothippies #ukedchat a school of fish, like a school of thought, is not 20:15 RavenEllison called a school because of walls.
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#ukedchat also consider age issues -primary may not work so well, but I wonder if VIth form are disadvantaged by a couple days online RT @CliveBuckley Does learning need structure - either physical or personal? #ukedchat @CliveBuckley it does but I think that shld come from the learner. #ukedchat @tmeeky Back in '06 my Y6's wondered if so much was online, what was the point of coming to school. Friendship was their answer. #ukedchat #ukedchat Growing doctors project 10 sch's, Kings Uni & NHS linked with VLE. http://t.co/EwLHYaPm @Michael_Barry_ @merlinjohn @tesConnect RT @amyparkinbed: @ethinking Attempting to join in #ukedchat to develop my critical thinking! :) New to #ukedchat :-) but looking forward to joining in the convosation :-) @Educationchat @mikeatedji Disagree. Schools built to facilitate sage on a stage. Need to consider wider community-based spaces. #ukedchat @MattOswin #ukedchat To some extent, but it is often in boring ways. Technology can save teachers' effort, but not do their job for them. does anyone have a link to the new ofsted lesson observation criteria #ukedchat shouldn't school be more than just places of learning? #ukedchat @PEeducator no emotional link, no, sorry. #ukedchat @mberry @tmeeky I still believe you can develop as good friendships online as you can offline given then correct circumstances #ukedchat @teddytoff1 e.g. "We shall not cease from exploration. And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started"? #ukedchat RT @PEeducator: does anyone have a link to the new ofsted lesson observation criteria #ukedchat @MattOswin #ukedchat My projector saves me writing as much. My Kindle saves me carrying lots of paper. A visualiser would be great. RT @RavenEllison: #ukedchat a school of fish, like a school of thought, is not called a school because of walls. #ukedchat why is school day generally 8-3.30? How
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about 11-6? 20:18 nickotkdIV @mrpeel good Q #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji - point is that schools need to return to being public spaces. Too many like insular from 20:18 BrightAire "real world". #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @ManOfSteeles disagree, google, wikipedia gr8 replacement for teachers who think learners 20:18 jamesmichie are vessels to be filled. #ukedchat Any thoughts on how we prove progress? #soloarmy 20:18 dockers_hoops #ukedchat @ManOfSteel but can't YouTube provide a stimuli that would be otherwise hard to create -even as simple as 20:18 jamesdradburn watching a rocket launch #ukedchat @oldandrewuk So at the moment it would appear to be fair to say that IT supports learning in a physical building? 20:18 hlmrmo #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk Don't forget the #ukedchat hashtag. 20:18 oldandrewuk That deserved to be seen by the edugeeks. #ukedchat how many kids would stay at home and play CoD and not engage with learning unless there is 20:18 mjowchs someone to 'make them' Manners at lunchtime, coping with friendship issues, what are 'safe' risks - all would be impossible to teach via web. 20:18 AliceBakesCakes #ukedchat @SwayGrantham 8 year old says...'maybe as adults but not as children... how can you physically play with 20:18 tmeeky someone online?' #ukedchat @jamesmichie ...imperfectly as learning environments but as spaces for collaborative learning, community cohesion 20:18 mikeatedji they're no.1 #ukedchat @SwayGrantham I missed a yr before virtual friends 20:19 cherrylkd available, not much fun then, not now if no pc #ukedchat @BrightAire @mikeatedji agreed. schools need to become an intrinsic part of community. Lets get back to 20:19 jamesmichie shared community values. #ukedchat @mrpeel Some academies in my area are now until 5pm with Wednesday afternoon off and no homework, it 20:19 SwayGrantham seems to work for them #ukedchat @mjowchs the same amount who truant or are 20:19 mrpeel disengaged at school #ukedchat @mrpeel or 7 - lunchtime? (morning people happy!) 20:19 rashush2 #ukedchat
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@nick_chater @CliveBuckley true #ukedchat RT @hlmrmo: @oldandrewuk So at the moment it would appear to be fair to say that IT supports learning in a 20:19 jamesmichie physical building? #ukedchat The bigger question is, where does learning occur most 20:19 mrlockyer effectively? #ukedchat Schools without social interaction are painful. There's no behaviour crisis, only staff that can't deal with social 20:19 kvnmcl interaction #ukedchat Do we work best surrounded by 29 others, doing 20:20 mrlockyer essentially the same task? #ukedchat #ukedchat Some schools in Malaysia have a morning and 20:20 eslweb afternoon session to save space in school. @mjowchs Think this is more abt status of edu in out country. Many learners across world choose their 20:20 jamesmichie learning. #ukedchat The development of children as learners is 1 part of school. How can we develop them socially, culturally, 20:20 natalie_vass emotionally online? #ukedchat @SheliBB #ukedchat I'm not convinced of a lot of the supposed "social" benefits of schooling. But I am 20:20 oldandrewuk convinced of the teaching benefits. And I'd say, not enough emphasis on play (at home and school)... schools should be play spaces (learning thro 20:20 tmeeky play with others) #ukedchat @BrightAire Why is it that we have a "real world" and a school "system"? Clearly school is not real, therefore 20:20 Spencerayres what is it? #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: @mrpeel Why would that be better? 20:20 jamesmichie I see little enough of my son as it is... #ukedchat @cherrylkd @SwayGrantham gd point. How does not having a physical space help improve the learning of 20:20 AliceBakesCakes those without PC access? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk visualisers are brilliant - show children's work/ close up science experiments etc. all chn can see it 20:20 jamesdradburn at once! #ukedchat @mrpeel @mjowchs No - far more. Be realistic. A lot of parents 'make' children come to school who wouldn't 20:21 Educationchat otherwise. #ukedchat As much as I love Google, I don't think it will teach a child how to behave in in a socially acceptable manner. 20:21 Shaz_Yu Interaction is key #ukedchat
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@mberry @shelibb #ukedchat Hard to think of any technology that doesn't carry an inconvenient risk of stress-inducing failure. @CliveBuckley @nick_chater i believe he is suggesting that a passion will make sure you have the coirrect structures etc in place #ukedchat #ukedchat Such a waste of valuable resource when schools empty for so much of time and community could use, would love to see more joint use RT @mrlockyer: Do we work best surrounded by 29 others, doing essentially the same task? #ukedchat <-gr8 question. RT @frogphilp: Seems #ukedchat is slightly pointless tonight. If there were no schools, where would Ofsted actually go? And what would senior managers do? #ukedchat actually, let me reverse that. A school of thought, like a school of fish, is not called a school because if walls.. @frogphilp Oh, the places we could suggest for Ofsted to go.... #ukedchat #ukedchat In the future we will see the end of classrooms & have the whole school inc grounds as a class spacelearn everywhere/anywhere. @mberry @oldandrewuk my internet connection at home frightens me during timed tests. Unreliable! Three more to do too... #ukedchat RT @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest http://t.co/gGaJ5bA2 #edchat #edtech #ukedchat #ukedchat schools could also become centres of excellence if pupils were allowed to research and publish...eg wikis - local sources of info @jamesmichie But doesn't Wikipedia 'fill vessels', just via a screen? Web provides information, not learning or knowledge #ukedchat @natalie_vass these students in y 7 will retire in 2070 who knows waht will pass as interraction by then? #ukedchat @audiobluez RT @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest http://t.co/NvRaMwD3 #edchat #edtech #ukedchat @Shaz_Yu again, I agree but is a school the answer to that? #ukedchat
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@oldandrewuk @SheliBB You should see how my children have made welcome a girl from Somalia this week. School is more than learning #ukedchat @CliveBuckley what would you say? #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @SheliBB #ukedchat I'm not convinced of a lot of the supposed "social" benefits of schooling. But I am convinced of the teaching benefits. RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat In the future we will see the end of classrooms & have the whole school inc grounds as a class space-learn everywhere/anywhere. @mikeatedji google publisher? I hav eput best work from y13 on my blog #ukedchat @PatParslow I agree - not confident @ school to answer - due to attitude of teachers-now want to answer qs due to great lecturers! #ukedchat @mrpeel which leads to a question of the quality of work received as HWK, would virtual schools face the same dilemmas? #ukedchat @mrlockyer I think we need to look at the school environment in its widest sense: eating / playing together, extra curricular etc #ukedchat @norfolkshine @PEeducator ik #ukedchat @Educationchat @mikeatedji maybe but what if that facilitator doesn't really care? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham possibly, hence idea of reduced time in school #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I find books aren't too prone to failure these days. Well, hardbacks at any rate. #ukedchat @shelibb @nickotkdIV Passion is great - but knowledge facilitates #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @mberry I suffered tech failure during an ofsted inspection, but we were used to it so the children were brilliant! #ukedchat RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat Such a waste of valuable resource when schools empty for so much of time and community could use, would love to see more joint use #ukedchat the idea of a school being a physical geographical places is inherently restrictive. We need a more open approach to learning. What would be your spec for a 21st century school?
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#ukedchat? #ukedchat just trying to get a few days away from Slough... sorry. @mattbuxton10 Wikipedia allows chn to follow learnin in directions that suit them rather than the limitations of teacher knowledge #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat In the future we will see the end of classrooms & have the whole school inc grounds as a class space-learn everywhere/anywhere. #ukedchat Is the the teacher/ethos the most important feature of a classroom. not that is acturally there! RT @RavenEllison: #ukedchat the idea of a school being a physical geographical places is inherently restrictive. We need a more open approach to learning. RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat schools could also become centres of excellence if pupils were allowed to research and publish...eg wikis - local sources of info #ukedchat schools are more than Core Skills, Life skills are just as important, if not more so (in some cases) RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat Such a waste of valuable resource when schools empty for so much of time and community could use, would love to see more joint use @jamesmichie Thanks for the RT! Question I worry about constantly. The diet one child needs is so different to his neighbour. #ukedchat @natalie_vass blogging can develop them socially and culturally - such as quad blogging,link to schools around the world #ukedchat @theotheralig @norfolkshine @PEeducator Thanks #ukedchat #ukedchat Are we not all over rating ourselves at sole givers of education? Kids learn shed loads with out any interaction with a teacher. What about the free childcare schools offer? #ukedchat @PatParslow Pupil: "My pen's run out!" Me: "Quick, after it!" Those were the days. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @shelibb @Afwels @Ideas_Factory agree but that sounds much nicer than four walls with desks in rows. #ukedchat @amyparkinbed teachers *and* fellow pupils, in my case. None of them approved of enquiry much, it seemed.
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20:24 mrpeel 20:24 jamesmichie 20:24 jamesmichie 20:25 oldandrewuk 20:25 RavenEllison 20:25 ClaireJoanneICT 20:25 jamesmichie 20:25 jamesdradburn 20:25 BrightAire 20:25 10kmk42 20:25 dcbphd 20:25 mberry 20:25 aknill 20:25 sullivan1980 20:25 DavidHarris88 20:25 sullivan1980 20:25 PatParslow
#ukedchat @jamesdradburn quad blogging? #ukedchat @mrlockyer amen. Personalised learning FTW! #ukedchat RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat schools could also become centres of excellence if pupils were allowed to research and publish...eg wikis - local sources of info @jamesmichie @ManOfSteeles #ukedchat The cofounder of wikipedia disagrees with you. Have a look at @lsanger 's blog http://t.co/RaBdxaRn @aknill @Ideas_Factory that would be a beautiful thing. #ukedchat @SheliBB True. Technology has it's place but social interaction is important too #ukedchat RT @CarpenterMat: #ukedchat Are we not all over rating ourselves at sole givers of education? Kids learn shed loads with out any interaction with a teacher. @RavenEllison such as the home environment, as it is essential to children's development #ukedchat @Spencerayres - school walls should be more porous. Public & outside ag'ies coming in. Kids going out. School is base for exchange #ukedchat @CarpenterMat #ukedchat i agree we are number 3 teacher to a child - 1 parents, 2 siblings and peers 3 teachers How welcome are observations/arguments/findings from the other side of the pond on #ukedchat? @mrlockyer and no one knows this better than the *child themselves* #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat learning is all around us. Interaction helps to share. RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Google is no replacement for knowledge. Youtube videos are no replacement for a teacher who can answer questions. #ukedchat schools provide a sense of community. Some children need a small nurturing environment in order to thrive and feel safe and secur RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat There is no "factory model" of schooling. No need to reinvent the wheel. That said setting by ages is unnecessary. RT @CarpenterMat: #ukedchat Are we not all over rating ourselves at sole givers of education? Kids learn shed
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loads with out any interaction with a teacher. @nickotkdIV A classroom is what you make it, whether it is a physical or an online space #ukedchat Wondering how other depts organise controlled assessment? Trying to find the best way to fit 3 each of sp&wr into 2 year gcse #mfl #ukedchat #ukedchat Not the end of school-more the beginning of 'new learning'-pupils will have personalised learning spaces-tailored 2 learning style #ukedchat would employers/uni's be happy to take people with no experience of schools? I doubt it @te_ach_er Indeed - like conferences, holidays, weddings, parties etc, it is in these 'gaps' that the interesting things happen! #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Not the end of schoolmore the beginning of 'new learning'-pupils will have personalised learning spaces-tailored 2 learning style @jamesdradburn Yeh to some extent but I think majority of children learn from concrete experiences which can't be provided online #ukedchat Hello everyone in #ukedchat care telling me the topic pls ladies and gents? Thanks a bunch @aknill: #ukedchat learning is all around us. Interaction helps to share. YOU JUST NEED A TEACHER CHANGING IT'S ROLE TO MODARATOR RT @CarpenterMat: #ukedchat Are we not all over rating ourselves at sole givers of education? Kids learn shed loads with out any interaction with a teacher. @dcbphd very welcome, thank you #ukedchat @SwayGrantham true but do we need one or can a plain room do the same job? #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory I hope so Julian, def. fits with my idea of what edu needs to become. :-) #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory what learning style would that be? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham i believe the environmnet is very important and for that reason i take pride in displaying lots of work etc #ukedchat The Ed system, ofsted and SATs impacts too much on how schools function... schls too uptight = safe, uninspiring approaches #ukedchat @CarpenterMat True but sometimes we can open doors
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to ideas that family and peers wouldn't have #ukedchat @bucharesttutor Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? #ukedchat @hlmrmo #ukedchat Yes. It hasn't changed the basic activities of educating. RT @jamesmichie: @bucharesttutor Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? #ukedchat #ukedchat using the Internet and computers all the time is a nonsense. Children need the physicality of writing using a pen and paper. @SwayGrantham: @nickotkdIV A classroom is what you make it" Yes #ukedchat @bucharesttutor Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? #ukedchat Interesting how I have learnt on my masters programme not a lot of time spent in a physical classroom #ukedchat @AliceBakesCakes agree re errors and risk taking to build confidence social cues may well be very diff in 40 ys time #ukedchat @jamesmichie Thanks mate #ukedchat Is anyone suggesting that pupils should learn in an environment NOT intrinsically social? Straw man? #ukedchat @kvnmcl - in voc. edu. social interaction too often a barrier to evidencing achievement. No time to deal. Noses to grindstone. :-( #ukedchat @BrightAire Agreed - School walls should be demolished. There has to be to be a place to gather to share and grow #ukedchat @natalie_vass @jamesdradburn Define concrete. What about digital literacies, creativity, coding. Depends what u want 2 learn. #ukedchat @nick_chater @CliveBuckley there are many features one needs although is a indivdual space one #ukedchat #ukedchat http://t.co/PDyLyS7q listen to the pupils response. Would it be the same as if they just watched it online? @SwayGrantham Are you talking about supplementing teacher knowledge with Wikipedia, or replacing it?
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#ukedchat @jamesmichie @afwels #ukedchat Classrooms will become learning spaces-designed to meet particular needs & delivery-no constricted by walls #ukedchat Geographer, Tuan: "Place is security, space is freedom.." we need to think of schools less as places and more as spaces.. @nickotkdIV me too, but still possible on line and to a wider audience #ukedchat Technology can be used to extend the learning beyond the classroom. So much potential for learning #ukedchat @natalie_vass I agree; but can't they enhance certain aspects, but not necessarily replace concrete experiences #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji But equally what if that facilitator is awesome! Is that really the point? #ukedchat @sullivan1980 The teacher should be asking the questions though #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I would agree. To what extent we use it to support learning is perhaps the bigger question? #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat if we always give the children their preferred style. How are they meant to expand their horizons? @CarpenterMat they do learn lots without a teacher but they learn to socialise by being together with friends. #ukedchat #ukedchat look at what @MissionExplore aims to promote - a keen interest in our surroundings Online learning exists in adult learning. MLEs used now on schools bit not replacing classroom time. Why not? #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 I never use pen and paper and wld do same with my students. #outofmoded #ukedchat @CliveBuckley @swaygrantham but v difficult to make classroom what you want when you teach in over a dozen different ones #ukedchat @nickotkdIV a teacher can teach with nothing other than a willing student but its the extra things that can facilitate learning #ukedchat @jamesmichie If facilitator doesn't care, we do something about the facilitator, not the institution.... #ukedchat
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@jamesmichie @bucharesttutor #ukedchat You will need a combination of physical and online spaces. Physical 20:29 Afwels spaces should be subject based. @mrpeel True, but as we can't accurately predict these, surely we have to teach them to deal with current social 20:29 AliceBakesCakes interactions? #ukedchat Why do teenagers continue to tolerant high schools from 20:29 dw2hite the 1950's? #ukedchat @mrlockyer re 30 people doing the same thing: a bit like factories in the industrial revolution. Coincidence? 20:29 mberry @jamesmichie #ukedchat 8 year old " I'm sick of tests and levels. Schl should just 20:29 tmeeky be about learning alongside friends" #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 agree today but we are educating for the future - I'll be long gone by the time they are in their prime 20:29 mrpeel - paper? #ukedchat @ClaireJoanneICT Schools as an institution must exist as a learning center as its the oldest educational common 20:29 bucharesttutor place known to Ss #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: @jamesmichie @mikeatedji But equally what if that facilitator is awesome! Is that really 20:29 mikeatedji the point? #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat & mine-unfortunately all dep on 20:29 Ideas_Factory money-would love to build a school on these principles! @mrpeel true. my class are in the same room for a long time so i know i need a welcoming and homely 20:29 nickotkdIV environment #ukedchat @Educationchat @mikeatedji Yes, if teachers are valid 20:29 jamesmichie they need to do their job well. Too many don't. #ukedchat @TeamTait Yes I was there for this presentation 20:29 ClaireJoanneICT impressive #ukedchat @Spencerayres big open questions ! that can assist the 20:29 mjowchs learning journey #ukedchat @Spencerayres - much of fortress nature of schools is response to high profile, but v. rare attacks in schools. 20:29 BrightAire Disproportionate? #ukedchat RT @jamesdradburn: @RavenEllison such as the home environment, as it is essential to children's development 20:30 RavenEllison #ukedchat Schools may be with us for some time to come, but limitations in their physical space are being eroded by 20:30 kvnmcl online space #ukedchat
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RT @aknill: #ukedchat being open to the idea of learning everywhere is one that some struggle with but we should be open minded. Session 87 - Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in th... http://t.co/MMqusIgc ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}} @Stephen_Logan #ukedchat at Masters level you had all the core competences in order for you be trusted and let loose. @mberry @jamesmichie Quite. I think the Seth Godin posts resonate most with the factory analogy. #ukedchat #ukedchat kids learn best when tethered upside down & thrashed within an inch of their lives as any fule kno... @SwayGrantham @nickotkdiv #ukedchat extras help to pull in a wider audience otherwise edchat wouldn't work! RT @kvnmcl: Schools may be with us for some time to come, but limitations in their physical space are being eroded by online space #ukedchat @SwayGrantham i see. i felt you were say all you need is the knowledge etc. environment does could for much! #ukedchat RT @DavidHarris88: @Stephen_Logan #ukedchat at Masters level you had all the core competences in order for you be trusted and let loose. RT @aknill: @SwayGrantham @nickotkdiv #ukedchat extras help to pull in a wider audience otherwise edchat wouldn't work! @BobToms100 @ClaireJoanneICT thanks so very much dear people :) #ukedchat Half way through #ukedchat: Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? Sorry I have to go. I've loved #ukedchat tonight wish I could stay - if anyone wants to tell me I am wrong send me @clivebuckley! Best @jamesmichie That's harsh but we have to accept there are failing teachers. Is that to do with the space or present curriculum? #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 #ukedchat limited input maximum output. #ukedchat The opportunity for students to arrive at a social learning space is fundamental; mixing actual &
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virtual gives the best of both @Badgerove #ukedchat I am not convinced that is what schools are for. Also peer relationships are often the least 20:31 oldandrewuk educational we have. @DavidHarris88 @ideas_factory #ukedchat learning 20:31 SurrealAnarchy styles is nonsense I am sure As a researcher, I'll throw out a few empirical points to make the case that physical space is necessary, but not 20:31 dcbphd sufficient. #ukedchat RT @kvnmcl: Schools may be with us for some time to come, but limitations in their physical space are being 20:31 dan_bowen eroded by online space #ukedchat @ingswaddle @Ideas_Factory . Agreed. Some schools now using large groups successfully but still very rare. 20:31 Gray_matter2002 #ukedchat @mattbuxton10 just an option for supporting virtual learning, a balance is always going to be for the best 20:31 SwayGrantham #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 @Stephen_Logan I think students learn best at primary level. Free to be curious. This is lost at 20:31 jamesmichie secondary level. #ukedchat RT @kvnmcl: Schools may be with us for some time to come, but limitations in their physical space are being 20:31 nickotkdIV eroded by online space #ukedchat #ukedchat - Learning outdoors in our Forest School. The Academy building a community focus point. 20:31 StMattAcad http://t.co/MDlWx5aj RT @aknill: #ukedchat being open to the idea of learning everywhere is one that some struggle with but we should 20:31 jamesdradburn be open minded. Thing is, I can see many being autonomous learners happy to explore etc, but not sure that /all/ are. School 20:32 mberry can be good for them? #ukedchat #ukedchat Physical spaces as learning zones in authentic places. Breaking down classroom walls and integrating 20:32 Afwels companies in education. @mikeatedji I'd say both. Classroom built around a 20:32 jamesmichie victorian edu promote victorian learning. #ukedchat @jamesmichie @DavidHarris88 very good point also risk 20:32 Stephen_Logan taking #ukedchat being prepared to fail The Nick Chater Blog: In response to the question: are 20:32 nick_chater schools (as physi... http://t.co/eTvLGgvH #ukedchat
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RT @LessonHacker: #ukedchat The opportunity for students to arrive at a social learning space is 20:32 jamesmichie fundamental; mixing actual & virtual gives the best of both Schools develop draconian measures to force students to attend, to complete "work," rather than changing the face 20:32 dw2hite of learning. #ukedchat RT @ShaunGosney: A classroom should not be confined to four walls or learning only accessed through 20:32 nickotkdIV an electronic device! #ukedchat @jamesmichie not lost, depends on curriculum. lies at 20:32 mrpeel heart of IB, but no one wants to do it! #ukedchat #ukedchat best part of my weekly duty is mingling amongst be pupils chatting and learning - open spaces 20:32 aknill have an important role to play. @mberry @mrlockyer @jamesmichie or like a choir? Or beach full of surfers? Or the park on a Saturday morning? 20:32 AntHeald #ukedchat #ukedchat Has anybody had any experience of the Swedish schools that have much more freedom and 20:32 eslweb independent learning? @Educationchat @SheliBB #ukedchat I have seen the effect the chaos of English schools can have on kids from 20:32 oldandrewuk overseas. Can't see it as a plus @aknill @nickotkdiv exactly, although you don't NEED it, that's not to say that I would recommend teaching without 20:32 SwayGrantham it all! #ukedchat @jamesmichie there will always be a requirement for a place for learners to escape to from home, with adults to 20:32 tinautting talk directly to #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 @ideas_factory #ukedchat what if your 20:33 SurrealAnarchy 'learning style' is Visual & you lose your eyesight? @Afwels @jamesmichie indeed schools are for physical absorption centers of learning while technological based 20:33 bucharesttutor tools home center #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @Educationchat @SheliBB #ukedchat I have seen the effect the chaos of English schools can have on kids from overseas. Can't see it as a 20:33 jamesmichie plus @oldandrewuk @Badgerove Really? I feel the children in my class learn much more from each other than from me 20:33 AliceBakesCakes #ukedchat 20:33 PatParslow #ukedchat OK so without schools (as places) where are
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kids going to go to learn/spend day, if parents still have to work to make ends meet? @mjowchs I'm doing a distance learning course and it can be difficult to stay on track!! #ukedchat RT @AliceBakesCakes: @oldandrewuk @Badgerove Really? I feel the children in my class learn much more from each other than from me #ukedchat School is important in building community. #ukedchat With nowhere to meet, learn what's the point? @jamesmichie I agree with that. @stephenheppell has long convincingly argued to let children design their own learning space #ukedchat #ukedchat can I ask -primary or secondary? Secondary here. @jamesmichie @mikeatedji According to who? Some aren't very good, but true for all professions. Don't tar all with same brush. #ukedchat @jamesdradburn Blogging valuable to enhance experience;without physical schools, opportunities for experiences would be decreased #ukedchat RT @nick_chater: The Nick Chater Blog: In response to the question: are schools (as physi... http://t.co/eTvLGgvH #ukedchat @PatParslow I would like to see communities of learning inc. libraries, open spaces, community centre etc... #ukedchat @mrpeel Primary #ukedchat @mberry @shelibb #ukedchat Some of the books used in schools these days could convince one otherwise. @jamesmichie This is very true-play, experimentation, failure, curiosity - all amazing ways to learn, but almost banned at 2ndry! #ukedchat @SwayGrantham @nickotkdiv #ukedchat having taught with chalk board, whiteboard and now IWB - tech helps but a stick and some mud suffices. @SwayGrantham @nickotkdiv #ukedchat having taught with chalk board, whiteboard and now IWB - tech helps but a stick and some mud suffices. @Educationchat Fair point! #ukedchat RT @AliceBakesCakes: Physical chools allow for collaborative learning in a way that is next to impossible with technology alone #ukedchat
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#ukedchat is there a primary /secondary split here? @oldandrewuk @SheliBB Look harder. Come to my 20:34 Educationchat school. #ukedchat @tmeeky . I agree fear factor discourages risks. 20:34 Gray_matter2002 Teachers who are afraid to fail. #ukedchat As technology changes, the learning space will change too. Maturity and independent learning still needs a 20:34 SiBloodDC structure however. #ukedchat #ukedchat what do people class as the boundaries of 20:34 nickotkdIV their environment? #ukedchat @Educationchat @mikeatedji I'm not, I'm a teacher too. Just don't believe that current systems acceptance of 20:35 jamesmichie failure is gd enough. #ukedchat 20:35 DJToadie @mrpeel #ukedchat Secondary SLD RT @mberry: @PatParslow Pupil: "My pen's run out!" Me: "Quick, after it!" Those were the days. #ukedchat 20:35 SheliBB @oldandrewuk @shelibb RT @jamesdradburn: @oldandrewuk human interaction 20:35 MissPressie91 is essentially especially in primary schools #ukedchat @ingswaddle Agreed! #ukedchat We don't need to create 20:35 Ideas_Factory spaces to create different learning environments @aknill @SwayGrantham some of the best lessons are when teacher and children talk, create and explore 20:35 nickotkdIV together without tech #ukedchat Late for #ukedchat sure someone will have mentioned it safeguarding issues for many students where school is a 20:35 JOHNSAYERS haven away from home life.. @jamesmichie OK, so who is going to oversee the kids? 20:35 PatParslow For safety even if not 'instructional purposes'? #ukedchat #ukedchat There are excellent examples of pupils designing their own learning spaces. we should let them 20:35 mikeatedji do it more. Ask them what helps 2) Bernard et al find that student-content & studentstudent interactions > student-faculty in online: 20:35 dcbphd http://t.co/PAxyBOad. #ukedchat @Gray_matter2002 @tmeeky This needs to change and we can change it. Teachers need to support each other. 20:35 jamesmichie #ukedchat #ukedchat re paperless - who would have foreseen the 20:35 mrpeel kindle explosion even 5 yrs ago. 20:35 mberry @oldandrewuk perhaps it's not technology, but school technology that can't be relied on? Back on subject!
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#ukedchat @PatParslow @shelibb RT @ClaireJoanneICT: @SheliBB True. Technology has 20:36 SheliBB it's place but social interaction is important too #ukedchat @SwayGrantham Precisely, a room with a teacher who 20:36 mattbuxton10 knows their stuff and online access #ukedchat @PatParslow school shouldnt be primarily a babysitting service, if virtual learning was used practicalities would be 20:36 SwayGrantham sorted #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji Since when does the system accept failure? To me it seems to be cynical about the 20:36 Educationchat good! #ukedchat RT @ClaireJoanneICT: @SheliBB True. Technology has 20:36 Stephen_Logan it's place but social interaction is important too #ukedchat Also a firm believer in teaching ability ranges instead of batching by age. Learning environments could be suited 20:36 SiBloodDC to this. #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat think schools-as-places will stay because society needs somewhere to keep kids, so 20:36 PatParslow they may as well learn stuff What about child protection? Without the face to face interaction with a trusted adult who do vulnerable children 20:36 AliceBakesCakes disclose to? #ukedchat 8 year old (about to go to bed) last comment " keep schools but they should do more fun, exciting work and 20:36 tmeeky fewer tests." #ukedchat #ukedchat I love techology but I also love drama as a way of engaging children with learning and each other. 20:36 Kezmerrelda Solitary/ cyber drama? No! RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat In the future we will see the end of classrooms & have the whole school inc 20:36 debsnet grounds as a class space-learn everywhere/anywhere. 20:36 ClaireJoanneICT @carolinebreyley Nice idea #ukedchat @mrpeel in primary there is a lot about children's social and cultural development, and fine & gross motor skills in 20:37 jamesdradburn primary? #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Google is no replacement for knowledge. Youtube videos are no replacement for a 20:37 MissPressie91 teacher who can answer questions. @mattbuxton10 @SwayGrantham why online access? 20:37 nickotkdIV #ukedchat 20:37 LeeDonaghy #ukedchat discussion seems to have lapsed into transmission vs progressivism debate. Don't we need to
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be exactly halfway between the two? @aknill like it!! #ukedchat @PatParslow Parents, teachers, whomever is employed 2 wrk within the space. I don't hav this all sorted but think we cn do better. #ukedchat RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat Such a waste of valuable resource when schools empty for so much of time and community could use, would love to see more joint use @jamesdradburn agree - hence my question #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Technology can help us do a few things more effectively, but it doesn't change things that much. We still need to be taught. @nickotkdIV @aknill I would suggest the same results could be found with/without tech - talk, create and explore virtually #ukedchat Hard to learn the intricacies of team sports without being in a team and playing the sport? #ukedchat Who's coming to visit my school? RT @FronterUK: Champion Schools open their doors... http://t.co/k3KGjVB3 #ukedchat #edtech @jamesmichie Albeit that version of 'learning' is more 'memorisation', 'training' or 'socialisation' and thus close to worthless. #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat topic: Are schools (as physical spaces) necessary to facilitate learning in the 21st century? with @jamesmichie hosting @JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat it's not been highlighted enough, a very good point. 3) Our research on #learningspaces finds active learning classrooms have a + & sig impact on stdt learning: http://t.co/3eqLl2pY. #ukedchat @ClaireJoanneICT @mjowchs Agree. Even at MA level I liked a group of peers to discuss ideas with & deepen learning #ukedchat RT @mrlockyer: Do we work best surrounded by 29 others, doing essentially the same task? #ukedchat @nick_chater You're idealistic ;-) 'designing opportunities to engage all' sounds a bit paternalistic, no? #ukedchat @hlmrmo #ukedchat Biggest problem is we don't let teachers adopt it at their own pace. @SwayGrantham @aknill fair point, Thanks! #ukedchat
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20:38 jamesmichie 20:38 dw2hite 20:38 bature419 20:38 hlmrmo 20:38 BenRogersOVA 20:38 oldandrewuk 20:38 mrpeel 20:38 mattbritland 20:39 dcbphd 20:39 mberry 20:39 _EcoKids 20:39 jamesmichie 20:39 LeafltdBristol 20:39 cherrylkd 20:39 piersyoung 20:39 jamesmichie 20:39 Educationchat
@PatParslow You may be right. :-( #ukedchat Why schools won't change? Read Ivan Illich. #ukedchat @ukedchat the School space provides the environment for shared learning to happen, we can EXTEND this but it's a vital initiator #ukedchat @Mr_D_Cheng True - we had a match tonight after school and all involved were very excited. It's what they'll talk about tomorrow #ukedchat @SiBloodDC I agree. I am convinced that mixing up ages benefits all learners. #ukedchat @ingswaddle @jamesmichie @ManOfSteeles #ukedchat All good teachers believe knowledge is better than ignorance. @Mr_D_Cheng yes but might be mor e exciting of happening at local sports club as opposed to snatched PE lesson #ukedchat RT @ClaireJoanneICT: @SheliBB True. Technology has it's place but social interaction is important too #ukedchat So, those three arguments, I think, make a good case for using blended techniques in physical spaces, rendering them necessary. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I have a vague recollection of being told we'd used up that term's supply of whiteboard pens! #ukedchat @patparslow @shelibb RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat In the future we will see the end of classrooms & have the whole school inc grounds as a class space-learn everywhere/anywhere. @oldandrewuk @ingswaddle @ManOfSteeles True, but skills are even better. #ukedchat @jamesmichie #ukedchat we wld agree & HD video & virtual classrooms help would be interested in what u thout about http://t.co/ESI6C5VR -@mrpeel #ukedchat Special for me. SEN would be v isolated without physical environment of school and companionship of peers Isn't there a difference between "are schools .." and "are classrooms necessary ..." 1st is a yes, the 2nd far more interesting #ukedchat @Educationchat @mikeatedji I don't think so. Lots of good, however not enough rises to the top. League tables get in the way. #ukedchat RT @ClaireJoanneICT: @SheliBB True. Technology has
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it's place but social interaction is important too #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @SiBloodDC I had a mixed form in my last school. Within KeyStage good, but too big a 20:39 eslweb difference between yr 7-13 #ukedchat @LeeDonaghy I'm in that territory too. Always been 20:40 AntHeald dismayed by polarisation #ukedchat @mrpeel @Mr_D_Cheng But how do you ensure all 20:40 AliceBakesCakes children can/will turn up at local sports club? #ukedchat #ukedchat not the physical space but the disperate collection of experiences to be had, encouraging kids to 20:40 mjowchs try new experiences #ukedchat knowledge can be taught virtually, but skills 20:40 mikeatedji and attitudes/values not so readily...especially negotiation @jamesmichie @oldandrewuk @ManOfSteeles but the dichotomy is nowhere near that clear cut, is it?! 20:40 ingswaddle #ukedchat RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat knowledge can be taught virtually, but skills and attitudes/values not so 20:41 jamesmichie readily...especially negotiation @oldandrewuk @mberry @shelibb That is merely a lack of skills. But actually, I remember it taking a week to get 20:41 PatParslow chalk replaced #ukedchat #ukedchat I learnt with pen and paper when computers were not really around . Secondary taught me to use a 20:41 DavidHarris88 pc and I am grateful for both. @ingswaddle @oldandrewuk @ManOfSteeles not at all. 20:41 jamesmichie #ukedchat @AliceBakesCakes because they are enthused and 20:41 mrpeel honest little souls who crave attention ;-) #ukedchat RT @eslweb: @BenRogersOVA @SiBloodDC love my 20:41 Mr_D_Cheng new vertical form! #ukedchat @eslweb We have vertical tutoring from 11 - 16. It works very well. We have philosophy time once each week. All 20:41 BenRogersOVA ages involved. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk If teachers adopt at their own pace, could there be the problem of a split throughout a school? 20:41 hlmrmo #ukedchat @piersyoung Agreed! School doesn't have to mean sat 20:42 AliceBakesCakes behind desks in a classroom all day! #ukedchat @Educationchat @SheliBB #ukedchat If every member of SMT who boasted about their school on Twitter could 20:42 oldandrewuk be believed, we'd be Finland.
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RT @AliceBakesCakes: @piersyoung Agreed! School doesn't have to mean sat behind desks in a classroom all day! #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji League tables are divisive definitely. I think there's plenty of good but goalposts keep changing. #ukedchat @PatParslow @jamesmichie memorisation training and socialisation are close to worthless?! Why so? #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @piersyoung endless possibilities #ukedchat @Educationchat @mikeatedji Totally agreed! #ukedchat Envision a society in which schools one day cease to exist. Chaos initially. Followed by the realization it can be done better. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @SwayGrantham To access info/analysis/opinion where it will help learning, which is placed into context by a teacher #ukedchat RT @AntHeald: @PatParslow @jamesmichie memorisation training and socialisation are close to worthless?! Why so? #ukedchat @dcbphd I'd like to see cross yr cross subject teaching including communal spaces. Am working on a 1 day event to trial it #ukedchat Need the physical spaces. The principles behind their design must change as Ken Robinson wld say not designed along factory lines. #ukedchat @mberry @PatParslow @shelibb #ukedchat But what is it specifically about *school* technology? @jamesmichie @mikeatedji Look how now Gove is trying to reduce number of Outstanding schools, and put more in a category. #ukedchat Has anyone mentioned peer-peer teaching and the evidence Hattie shows for its effectiveness? Huge impact on learning #ukedchat RT @mikeatedji: #ukedchat knowledge can be taught virtually, but skills and attitudes/values not so readily...especially negotiation #ukedchat surely the q is conceptual - lets not get bogged down in detail - -where theres a will theres a way #ukedchat @AliceBakesCakes @mrpeel @Mr_D_Cheng how can we guarantee chn turn up to school everyday? we can't
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20:43 ICTEvangelist 20:43 mrpeel 20:43 mjowchs 20:43 nickotkdIV 20:43 aknill 20:44 Jon_Torbitt 20:44 Educationchat 20:44 ClaireJoanneICT 20:44 jamesmichie 20:44 mberry 20:44 CarpenterMat 20:44 DJTom3 20:44 nickotkdIV 20:44 oldandrewuk 20:44 Educationchat 20:44 SwayGrantham
and they don't always #ukedchat RT @SheliBB: Join @ICTEvangelist @chrismayoh @ICTmagic and other inspirational tweeters for a little #DLchat tonight after #ukedchat #digitalleaders #ukedchat got to run - missing raymond Blanc on telly again! need to adjust schedule #ukedchat not really the point but if no schools (and less teachers) who will be paying into the pension pot for current T's to draw on ? @mattbuxton10 @SwayGrantham Thank. dont you think Technology sometime replaces the skills of teaching via conversation #ukedchat @hlmrmo @oldandrewuk #ukedchat there are splits in school and teachers will learn like students at a range of pace @AntHeald @patparslow @jamesmichie I think they're referring to the 'what o I need to do/ learn to pass mentality' #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBB So all schools are represented on Twitter are they? They might actually be right you know. #ukedchat @bucharesttutor Totally agree - virtual schools perhaps useful as a backup - if it's difficult to attend a traditional school #ukedchat I'd like to move discussion to asking: If ur disatisfied with schools/system what wld ur ideal school be like (space & curriculum) #ukedchat @oldandrewuk for me, too often not in the control of its end users. Books to Web, same applies. #ukedchat @patparslow @shelibb #ukedchat If we said "no" to our traditional model of schools, what would our best alternative be? @AliceBakesCakes @piersyoung yeah very true they can be outside. #ukedchat @ShaunGosney indeed! although we must challenge and push as educationalists #ukedchat @jamesmichie @ingswaddle @ManOfSteeles #ukedchat Nope, generic "skills" are the standard excuse for dumbing down. https://t.co/wZElEX65 @oldandrewuk @SheliBB And if SMT criticised their school on Twitter they'd be sacked! #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt I'd like to see cross yr cross subject
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teaching including communal spaces. 1 day event to trial it - v interesting #ukedchat @SwayGrantham @AliceBakesCakes @mrpeel @Mr_D_Cheng If school is a social place students will 20:45 eslweb come. Just maybe not to learn. #ukedchat RT @briankotts: 37 Ways Teachers Should Use Pinterest 20:45 DJTom3 http://t.co/gGaJ5bA2 #edchat #edtech #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @piersyoung and I fully support a classroom with an online distance learning via an iPad #ukedchat 20:45 bucharesttutor smart stuff, cost efficient @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @shelibb most schools 20:45 Jon_Torbitt are represented, officially or otherwise! #ukedchat RT @bucharesttutor: @nickotkdIV @piersyoung and I fully support a classroom with an online distance learning 20:45 jamesmichie via an iPad #ukedchat smart stuff, cost efficient @Jon_Torbitt I have read about a primary school in Scotland organised learning around levels and not ages. 20:45 jemimaanderson Very forward thinking. #ukedchat @PatParslow #ukedchat An example of virtual 20:45 mikeatedji negotiation? RT @bucharesttutor: @nickotkdIV @piersyoung and I fully support a classroom with an online distance learning 20:45 nickotkdIV via an iPad #ukedchat smart stuff, cost efficient @nickotkdIV @mattbuxton10 you can use technology to have conversations - the range of responders just grows 20:46 SwayGrantham #ukedchat @SwayGrantham @mrpeel @Mr_D_Cheng At primary level most do. Those that dislike PE unlikely to turn up for 20:46 AliceBakesCakes just that! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @educationchat I'd love to go to Finland and learn from them #ukedchat am envious that 20:46 SheliBB @Cherise_Duxbury is going! @Jon_Torbitt @AntHeald @jamesmichie And memorisation was never particularly useful once you 20:46 PatParslow learned how to derive results #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA That's interesting. My current single year form have a real bond with each other and I wouldn't 20:46 eslweb want to change it. #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA yes & isn't direct instruction even higher, & feedback highest of all(memory may fail me)20:46 AntHeald need balanced repertoire #ukedchat 20:46 jamesmichie #ukedchat 15 minutes left. What shld schools be like?
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@jamesmichie #ukedchat my ideal school - remove subject boundaries, take the RSA opening minds / creative principle and mix ages too. @PatParslow @mberry @shelibb #ukedchat It's also a result of unnecessary complication and a reduction in teacher autonomy. @jamesmichie no age groups, muli-teacher cross-subject groups in rooms with lots of space and move to cafe culture & maturity #ukedchat #ukedchat open/independant learning areas, specialist rooms fot DT science etc AND interventionwith those who need more supported learning @SwayGrantham @nickotkdIV @mattbuxton10 #ukedchat proves this and allows different people to have different conversations @SheliBB @oldandrewuk @Cherise_Duxbury Wish Gove would follow FInland's way of schooling....no tests, no inspections... #ukedchat @SheliBB Me too would love to go to Finland. #ukedchat RT @aknill: @jamesmichie #ukedchat my ideal school remove subject boundaries, take the RSA opening minds / creative principle and mix ages too. @mikeatedji #ukedchat See virtual negotiation skills being developed in online games all the time. Also in fora like this... #ukedchat Live in remote community; would like ch to have physical sch in community but have access to range of teachers virtually @AliceBakesCakes @mrpeel @Mr_D_Cheng Perhaps in some schools, my primary really struggles to maintain attendance of pupils #ukedchat @jemimaanderson sounds like a good idea for a 0-19 school! #ukedchat Teachers need to realise that their job doesn't stop when the kids go home. #ukedchat @SwayGrantham i concede the point although i just feel that some teachers work so hard to incorprate tech that they lose sight #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt Nice, learning should be comfortable. See this:http://t.co/RzRuYxX0 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @mberry @shelibb #ukedchat Reduction in teacher autonomy, I agree. So fix that problem - go
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after policy makers... @MattOswin @SwayGrantham @mattbuxton10 indeed! nickotkdIV #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @jamesmichie like you #ukedchat idea for aknill schools @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @shelibb pure Jon_Torbitt supposition! #ukedchat The prospect of education as "online deliverable package" w'out schools as democratic public spaces BrightAire sounds like Gove's wet dream. #ukedchat @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @cherise_duxbury and teachers do masters and are respected in the same way SheliBB doctors are in Finland #ukedchat @mrlockyer @mberry @jamesmichie exactly- so lots of people in same place doing similar activity can result in AntHeald lots of diff stuff #ukedchat School elevator pitch: Schools should be co-constructed by students, teachers and parents, tailored locally with a piersyoung global outlook #ukedchat @jamesmichie For me libraries were as much or more the locus of my learning as school. The web does 'library' mberry better than 'school' #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @nickotkdIV @piersyoung yeah look at DJTom3 open university. #ukedchat @mikeatedji yes, students should get a say in where they jamesmichie learn. #ukedchat @AntHeald I don't believe you can get all of that over a BenRogersOVA screen. Humans learn in groups. #ukedchat @hlmrmo #ukedchat Why is that a problem? It's not as if the advantages are always so great that nobody dare oldandrewuk miss out. RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat agree that can be LeafltdBristol achieved with virtual teachers and classrooms @mbrayford at work till 7 tonight showing parents how to help their kids pass GCSE #ukedchat Mr_D_Cheng #preachingtoconverted @jamesmichie an enriched education is obviously needed to appreciate learning. The 'school' is a Shaz_Yu base...Suggest an alternative? #ukedchat @ClaireJoanneICT @bucharesttutor . Didn't that used to happen on 'flying doctors' set in Oz outback? School by Gray_matter2002 radio then. #ukedchat
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@DJTom3 @bucharesttutor @piersyoung perfect 20:49 nickotkdIV example #ukedchat @PatParslow Fair point...but this is limited wouldnt you 20:49 mikeatedji say? It has its plus, but it's not the full monty #ukedchat @nickotkdIV that is definitely true, if you have no got a clear purpose for it within a lesson do not include it for the 20:49 SwayGrantham sake! #ukedchat @jemimaanderson @Jon_Torbitt We've tried this, hard as I think emotional maturity and differing motivations are 20:49 AliceBakesCakes also relevant #ukedchat @hlmrmo #ukedchat Teaching would be better if teachers were just given a resource budget and told they could 20:49 oldandrewuk spend it how they like. @jemimaanderson let's all go to Finland for our cpd! I 20:49 SheliBB wish! #ukedchat @Shaz_Yu Community built space with library at centre, group spaces, classrooms, outdoors... sounds like a 20:49 jamesmichie school?!? #ukedchat Double the size my room, fully resourced, doors that open onto a dynamic outdoor learning space, every child has 20:49 jemimaanderson tablet, IWB, play #ukedchat RT @LeafltdBristol: RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat agree that can be achieved with virtual teachers and 20:50 jamesmichie classrooms @SwayGrantham :) i love tech and use it daily although sometime i know i have to step back and Q why i am use 20:50 nickotkdIV it? #ukedchat RT @SheliBB: @jemimaanderson let's all go to Finland 20:50 eslweb for our cpd! I wish! #ukedchat FTR, the spaces/classes we researcher are higher ed; some more info about them is here: http://t.co/YcNfoElT. 20:50 dcbphd #ukedchat @PatParslow @jon_torbitt @jamesmichie oh, I don't know: I'm kind of glad I memorised the words I'm using to 20:50 AntHeald tweet this. #ukedchat RT @DJTom3: @bucharesttutor @nickotkdIV 20:50 jamesmichie @piersyoung yeah look at open university. #ukedchat @mbrayford Hmm not sure what you mean but think most tchers live 4 schl too much and need a healthier w/life 20:50 tmeeky balance for ev1 sake #ukedchat 20:50 BenRogersOVA @Gray_matter2002 I'm sure there has been research on radio teaching in Aus. Does anyone know of any?
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#ukedchat @mberry @patparslow @shelibb #ukedchat I think we agree. Assuming that by "end-users" you mean teachers not students. @nickotkdIV @DJTom3 @piersyoung soon you will be witnessing online free universities #ukedchat eg would be itunesU @mikeatedji OK, also see negotiation being honed in email exchanges, tho I grant less so in, say, news blog or youtube comments;-) #ukedchat @jamesmichie i think the only things i would charge are bigger classroom if there is money. P1 #ukedchat @PatParslow My point is, we shouldnt overstate the case for virtual interaction #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA @Gray_matter2002 Not sure abt research but I read about it once, forgottern where? #ukedchat RT@mbrayford Teachers need to realise that their job doesn't stop when the kids go home. #ukedchat @CarpenterMat @oldandrewuk Teachers could use money to purchase resources to help them and use their strengths #ukedchat RT @mbrayford Teachers need to realise that their job doesn't stop when the kids go home. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV agreed. #ukedchat @nick_chater have we figures for that? Playing and game-playing as same/different is arguable, for me down to who makes the rules. #ukedchat @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @shelibb thought has crossed my mind - minister for education sounds good! #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: RT @mbrayford Teachers need to realise that their job doesn't stop when the kids go home. #ukedchat @carolinebreyley This would be where virtual schools would be a great addition to a traditional setup #ukedchat @AntHeald @jon_torbitt @jamesmichie memorise != remember, Did you really ever sit down and drum words in to yourself? #ukedchat RT @mberry: Here's what that great educationalist M. Gove and visionary futurist had to say about schooling: http://t.co/G6rkCgKn #ukedchat
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20:52 eslweb 20:52 jemimaanderson 20:52 jemimaanderson 20:52 SwayGrantham 20:52 jamesmichie 20:52 nickotkdIV 20:52 PatParslow 20:53 ukedchat 20:53 nickotkdIV 20:53 aknill 20:53 jamesmichie 20:53 mikeatedji 20:53 jamesmichie 20:53 Primary_Ed 20:53 AntHeald 20:53 nickotkdIV 20:53 oldandrewuk
@nickotkdIV ...And parents should realise that parenting doesn't stop at the school gates! #ukedchat (Father of 2) @AliceBakesCakes The school I read about was in area of great deprivation and it seemed to work for those learners. #ukedchat @AliceBakesCakes The school I read about was in area of great deprivation and it seemed to work for those learners. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV as we all should do - no matter how much we like our toys! #ukedchat RT @mikeatedji: @PatParslow My point is, we shouldnt overstate the case for virtual interaction #ukedchat <agreed. Pedagogy first. @ShaunGosney i know the amount of paper work we do to take chd to park, down the road etc. makes you wonder!! #ukedchat @mikeatedji That's fine. Mine is we shouldn't over-state the case for face to face interaction #ukedchat If you are interested in hosting #ukedchat. Please tweet to @ukedchat. @eslweb @nickotkdIV ...And parents should realise that parenting doesn't stop at the school gates! #ukedchat (Father of 2) @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time - these are the teachers we want RT @ukedchat: If you are interested in hosting #ukedchat. Please tweet to @ukedchat. @PatParslow Yes, a great example...feel like Monty Python now (apart from XYZ, what have the Romans done for us?!) #ukedchat RT @aknill: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time these are the teachers we want Using photostory tomorrow to create a photostory of our circuits science experiement. #ukedchat @BenRogersOVA agree entirely #ukedchat RT @SwayGrantham @nickotkdIV as we all should do no matter how much we like our toys! #ukedchat well said! @CarpenterMat @hlmrmo It would be more efficient than the white elephants we currently get stuck with.
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#ukedchat @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @shelibb too kind! within matter of days would degenerate into a neo-liberal 20:53 Jon_Torbitt right wing dictatorship! #ukedchat @AntHeald @jon_torbitt @jamesmichie No *knowledge* is invaluable. But that requires 'deep learning', 20:53 PatParslow understanding. #ukedchat RT @LeafltdBristol: RT @carolinebreyley: #ukedchat also gives pupils a focus with others & collaboration plus 20:53 LeafltdBristol the tools needed 4 business RT @aknill: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time 20:53 nickotkdIV these are the teachers we want #ukedchat smaller classes or more staff to support 20:53 DJToadie learning would be a start @jemimaanderson Fair enough. All sorts of factors important I suppose, area, children, teachers, school 20:53 AliceBakesCakes ethos #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @hlmrmo #ukedchat Teaching would be better if teachers were just given a resource budget 20:53 mberry and told they could spend it how they like. 5 minutes left of #ukedchat What should schooling look 20:54 jamesmichie like in the 21st century? RT @DJToadie: #ukedchat smaller classes or more staff 20:54 jamesmichie to support learning would be a start @ClaireJoanneICT #ukedchat Think needs to be a blend; physical nurturing/ social aspects trad sch provides but 20:54 carolinebreyley with virtual access to more Late to the party but I did mention #ukedchat as a great 20:54 jackieschneider resource in my Sing Up article - http://t.co/P38ZXlDH We need student designed projects based on industry principles that cross subject,age and geographic 20:54 Spencerayres boundaries #ukedchat @PatParslow @antheald @jamesmichie I'd settle for inquisitiveness and determination to problem solve in face 20:54 Jon_Torbitt of adversity #ukedchat @jamesmichie each student having a Raspberry Pi! 20:54 C4History #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @nickotkdIV @piersyoung yeah that would be great though if they are free do you think they 20:54 DJTom3 will be good. #ukedchat 20:54 AntHeald @PatParslow @jon_torbitt @jamesmichie yes: I do it all
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the time, I love learning new words. I read dictionaries. #ukedchat RT @aknill: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time 20:54 LeafltdBristol these are the teachers we want @DJToadie Agreed, I my tiny bottom set make far more 20:54 jamesmichie progress than the large top sets. #ukedchat @aknill @jamesmichie indeed! it shows commitment and passion. show that the learning environment is 20:54 nickotkdIV everywhere! #ukedchat @jamesmichie @mikeatedji Pedagogies are just another 20:54 PatParslow sort of technology, of course :-) #ukedchat 20:55 ukedchat 5 minutes left of #ukedchat. Make them count! @ukedchat: If you are interested in hosting #ukedchat. Please tweet to @ukedchat. 20:55 natalie_vass @jamesdradburn you should go for it! RT @oldandrewuk: @hlmrmo #ukedchat Teaching would be better if teachers were just given a resource budget 20:55 mbrayford and told they could spend it how they like. @nickotkdIV @mbrayford as if we thought our job 20:55 StrictTeacher99 stopped when the students go home....#ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV ...And parents should realise that parenting doesn't stop at the school gates! #ukedchat 20:55 SwayGrantham most definitely #ukedchat working longer hours does not equal better teacher. Need to work smart and for the most impact on 20:55 mooshtang learning Less focus on knowledge and more on using information 20:55 eslweb and skills #ukedchat RT @SwayGrantham: RT @nickotkdIV ...And parents should realise that parenting doesn't stop at the school 20:55 jamesmichie gates! #ukedchat - most definitely #ukedchat schools are necessary but Teachers that also utilise the virtual world are preparing their students for the 20:55 Westylish physical world. @jamesmichie face to face interaction with plenty of oppurtunities to exploit the benefits of technology at home 20:55 AliceBakesCakes and school #ukedchat @DavidHarris88 @swaygrantham not at all. i know i often turn mine on just in case! just a colourful backgraound! 20:55 nickotkdIV #ukedchat 20:56 ClaireJoanneICT @Gray_matter2002 Yes I think you're right :-)) #ukedchat
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@jamesmichie #ukedchat got to go now. Interesting 20:56 cherrylkd debate tonight. Thanks as always @natalie_vass @ukedchat should do something about 20:56 jamesdradburn trainee teachers #ukedchat RT @bucharesttutor: @nickotkdIV @DJTom3 @piersyoung soon you will be witnessing online free 20:56 nickotkdIV universities #ukedchat eg would be itunesU @jamesmichie P2 and you would be able to add your own subjects to the curricum and to add your own ideas 20:56 DJTom3 to like maths. #ukedchat Loving #ukedchat tonight especially with @oldandrewuk 20:56 MissPressie91 and @AliceBakesCakes @jamesmichie: #ukedchat What should schooling look like in the 21st century? < Technology used seamlessly 20:56 piersyoung enough that you don't notice it. @mooshtang #ukedchat Might be better for community if 20:56 carolinebreyley we worked different hours not more hours; @StrictTeacher99: @nickotkdIV @mbrayford as if we thought our job stopped when the students go 20:56 nickotkdIV home....#ukedchat hehe! @PatParslow I'm afraid you would need to explain that to 20:56 mikeatedji me...I'm a bit slow on the uptake #ukedchat @jamesmichie some academies have this model of 20:56 Shaz_Yu learning already & it really works #ukedchat #ukedchat The kids should be working the hardest. We need to find ways to maximise learning without busting a 20:56 mooshtang gut and losing productivity @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Not suggesting that is the sole purpose but public spaces, such as schools, allow for 20:56 Badgerove socially necessary encounters. If you are interested in hosting #ukedchat. Please tweet 20:57 ukedchat to @ukedchat for more info. RT @LessonHacker: #ukedchat The opportunity for students to arrive at a social learning space is 20:57 MrsWhites_Class fundamental; mixing actual & virtual gives the best of both computing: teaching students to create software and not 20:57 joclap89 just use it! #ukedchat @AntHeald @jon_torbitt @jamesmichie I used to too. I enjoyed chasing definitions. I didn't memorise them tho 20:57 PatParslow why would I? #ukedchat 20:57 amcunningham RT @aknill: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time -
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20:57 Spencerayres 20:57 bucharesttutor 20:57 Shaz_Yu 20:57 mooshtang 20:58 ICTEvangelist 20:58 nickotkdIV 20:58 oldandrewuk 20:58 Jon_Torbitt 20:58 Nelkcarps 20:58 PatParslow 20:58 nickotkdIV 20:58 mberry 20:59 mbrayford 20:59 AntHeald 20:59 Primary_Ed
these are the teachers we want @mbrayford Wouldn't that lead to more wasted money on resources that are shelved after a year (if lucky)? #ukedchat @DJTom3 @nickotkdIV @piersyoung well itunesU and Khan Academy are the best free online learning in recent times #ukedchat they are fab stuff RT @mooshtang: #ukedchat working longer hours does not equal better teacher. Need to work smart and for the most impact on learning #ukedchat a work life balance is important. Prioritise tasks and know when to stop so you will be more productive on your return! @piersyoung @jamesmichie absolutely. Tech integrated in such a way it easily gets put away when not needed #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @DJTom3 @piersyoung i am typing this in Goggle now! #ukedchat @Badgerove #ukedchat But is it even a purpose? Do we pay our taxes for that? 21st century education needs a complete reboot, open teaching where it's transparent and can opt in/out of class collegiate style #ukedchat Excited to be involved with this years Dorset ICT Conference. A lot of exciting things to look forward to! #Edtech #UKEdChat #Dorset @mikeatedji "Technology is the usage and knowledge of tools, techniques, crafts, systems or methods of organization" #ukedchat @mooshtang #ukedchat a work life balance is important. Prioritise tasks and know when to stop so you will be more productive on your return! @jamesmichie learner & teacher autonomy, collaboration and community, creativity and curiosity, challenge, purpose. Less testing. #ukedchat. RT @nickotkdIV: @mooshtang #ukedchat a work life balance is important. Prioritise tasks and know when to stop so you will be more productive on your return! @PatParslow Well I memorise things to commit them to memory. Why wouldn't I? ;) #ukedchat Anyone got any ideas for teaching Block E unit 2 in maths... now this is where twitter is so helpful for teachers
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20:59 SwayGrantham 20:59 C4History 20:59 renoonog37 20:59 Melpomuse 20:59 PatParslow 20:59 mberry 21:00 mikeatedji 21:00 carolinebreyley 21:00 nickotkdIV 21:00 aknill 21:00 Jon_Torbitt 21:00 jamesdradburn 21:00 jamesmichie
#ukedchat @DavidHarris88 @nickotkdIV heh no it's the case for 90% of our staff - i prefer writing on mine just so i can save for later ref #ukedchat Too much is focused on pedagogy / inclusion in the English system. We should get back to basics like the Chinese system #ukedchat #ukedchat Read Katie Kacvinsky - Awaken dystopian version of furture with digital only schools and rebellion against them no soc interact RT @aknill: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Teachmeets, twitter, blogging.... Many teachers go on well past pupil time these are the teachers we want @AntHeald Well, I'd say because that's a waste of time and energy, when it is easier to work things out, or look things up :-) #ukedchat RT @joclap89: computing: teaching students to create software and not just use it! #ukedchat @PatParslow Sounds right to me #ukedchat @BrightAire:pub spaces where public & profs interact with young ppl. Making bst of localism with global (online) outlook. #ukedchat <yes :) @SwayGrantham i do use mine alot but i do question some of the hours spend write them up #ukedchat Is it time to move from #ukedchat to #DLchat now? Anyone interested in a hack day / future of IT / Computing in north beds this may/June tweet me #ukedchat am aiming for 21st cent teaching @C4History what is the Chinese system #ukedchat Gah! Internet died, that's it for this week. Thanks everyone. #ukedchat
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