Archive Session 95

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick
Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?
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ukedchat digitalmaverick Primary_Ed glennpeacey urban_teacher digitalmaverick richards_james myhanhdoan largerama richards_james Jon_Torbitt ianaddison digitalmaverick sharland richards_james richards_james
It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @digitalmaverick discussing 'Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?' Good evening, it's a privilege to be hosting tonight's #ukedchat, especially with such a topical and urgent question to discuss... Developing Children's Thinking http://t.co/SkbovH1p #edchat #edtech #edteach #ukedchat RT @Pixelh8: #ukedchat begins at 8pm. Topic: Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools? For ICT to truly effective in schools it needs to be embedded in every subject! Also teachers need to be retrained #ukedchat Predictable question from me to kick off tonight's #ukedchat: "Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?" Thousands sing song of peace to protest Norway killer Breivik http://t.co/iUgDTzid via @zite #addcym #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @digitalmaverick discussing 'Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?' @digitalmaverick yes we can but like all things that have had a beating, we have to come back hard!! #ukedchat 6 Fun Ways Technology Can Turn the World into a Classroom and Your Neighbors into Teachers http://t.co/Cn1EM9u3 via @zite #addcym #ukedchat 8pm time for #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Predictable question from me to kick off tonight's #ukedchat: "Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?" If you are NOT a teacher, what is YOUR view of ICT as a subject as taught in schools? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I think we can by taking what was good from ICT and reworking it into something more relevant #digitalstudies #ukedchat When Cell Phones Are the Book: some observations on e-readers http://t.co/Uqd5BXfc via @zite #addcym #ukedchat When Cell Phones Are the Book: some observations
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Jon_Torbitt Jon_Torbitt eylanezekiel mattbritland juliethomson101 islayian MoodleMcKean dmandrews15 digitalmaverick sharland mattbritland urban_teacher digitalmaverick oldandrewuk rjnicolson hlmrmo eylanezekiel
on e-readers http://t.co/Uqd5BXfc via @zite #addcym #ukedchat @urban_teacher why do teachers need retrained? retrained how?#ukedchat @urban_teacher why do teachers need retrained? retrained how?#ukedchat #ukedchat Not sure ICT is worth saving - as no one really knows what it is anymore @digitalmaverick Indeed we can although we shouldn have too.We have been unfairly treated by someone who does not know what we do. #ukedchat #ukedchat my 12 year old says no - his teachers don't see to know/use a lot of ict in class RT @digitalmaverick: If you are NOT a teacher, what is YOUR view of ICT as a subject as taught in schools? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Needs to be more focused on coding and application #ukedchat @digitalmaverick having switch my allegiance on twitter to IT I have learnt so much following inspirational IT gurus #ukedchat If you have children what do they tell you about the ICT they do schools? #ukedchat Do they see it as a valuable educational experience? @eylanezekiel #ukedchat - it did have some value such as good digital literacy skills for pupils if taught properly @eylanezekiel If thats true...a rebrand is needed. #ukedchat There are to many teachers who ICT illiterate? Thats why they need to be retrained! #ukedchat @largerama So how would you suggest we 'come back hard'? #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat Not sure ICT is worth saving - as no one really knows what it is anymore RT @digitalmaverick: If you are NOT a teacher, what is YOUR view of ICT as a subject as taught in schools? #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @urban_teacher Perhaps more confident in using it as opposed to retrained #ukedchat #ukedchat It is not that the parts of ICT are not
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sharland gavinsmart oldandrewuk SheliBB ukedchat digitalmaverick grumbledook eylanezekiel eslweb sharland Jon_Torbitt mattbritland Spencerayres mattbritland digitalmaverick sharland
worthy of study - but the legacy content, method and tools need to be rethought @MoodleMcKean @digitalmaverick not every kid is going to become a programmer #ukedchat RT @tesScience: What killed the dinosaurus? Get your learners to explore. #ukedchat http://t.co/PFfgbpCd @sharland @digitalmaverick Relevant to what? #ukedchat I cannot actually imagine teaching without technology. It is an integral part of my practice and the children's learning #ukedchat #ukedchat topic reminder: Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools? with @digitalmaverick @sharland So what GOOD do you think was in 'ICT' that could kept in a new ICT curriculum? #ukedchat #ukedchat I get frustrated when I see ICT as a silo. Nothing wrong with it as a subject but it has to be included as part of wider school. @mattbritland need to look beyond 'rebrand' #ukedchat towards a reshaping with the rest of the curriculum & in partnership with communities @sharland @MoodleMcKean @digitalmaverick Not every kid is going to be a mathematician, but it doesn't stop it being worth learning.#ukedchat @eylanezekiel we are doing that rethinking eylan :-) #digitalstudies #ukedchat @hlmrmo @urban_teacher confidence can be misplaced and the reinforces factual error with selfbelief, then harder to un train #ukedchat RT @sharland: @MoodleMcKean @digitalmaverick not every kid is going to become a programmer #ukedchat @digitalmaverick With a complete restructure of curriculum, possibly #ukedchat @sharland @MoodleMcKean @digitalmaverick Nor should we expect them too. #ukedchat @MoodleMcKean Why do you thinkthat a FOCUS needs to be on 'coding'? #ukedchat @Hyrum_Graff @MoodleMcKean @digitalmaverick ah - should have claried every kid should have
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Pixelh8 Spenceict oldandrewuk mattbritland mchirps largerama mcolliver teachesict MichaelaPorter2 declanfleming MrAColley digitalmaverick sharland digitalmaverick mister_jim
chance to learn it at least #ukedchat @digitalmaverick ICT/IT needs to be merged in to every other lesson, pens and paper were the technology of yesterday, not today. #ukedchat @SheliBB but there is a difference between teaching with technology and teaching about technology. #ukedchat RT @urban_teacher: There are to many teachers who ICT illiterate? Thats why they need to be retrained! #ukedchat @eylanezekiel Of course...a rebrand would be the start. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Stop teaching boring quals in KS3 in order to gain points. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick tbh If people in this #ukedchat havent read my blog posts then they should http://t.co/ZbGEXyua and http://t.co/8SCb9ojL @sharland @moodlemckean @digitalmaverick #ukedchat but every kid should see and do some programming Pupils still need digital literacy but this should be a fraction of the subject, not the whole #ukedchat My teenage daughters say their heart sinks when they see ict on the timetable #ukedchat #ukedchat I'm talking to wider staff at school (11-18) about twitter -only know science specific hashtags, can u suggest other subject ones? RT @Spenceict: @SheliBB but there is a difference between teaching with technology and teaching about technology. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk what's your thought's of the use of ICT in schools right now? Is it beyond redemption? #ukedchat RT @largerama: @digitalmaverick tbh If people in this #ukedchat havent read my blog posts then they should http://t.co/ZbGEXyua and http://t.co/8SCb9ojL RT @largerama: @digitalmaverick tbh If people in this #ukedchat havent read my blog posts then they should http://t.co/ZbGEXyua and http://t.co/8SCb9ojL #ukedchat I worry that it has become absorbed completely. I often feel that my ICT budget simply goes on lightbulbs and batteries... :(
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eslweb
@MichaelaPorter2 I'm very sorry to hear that. Bad teaching is bad teaching no matter what the subject is. #ukedchat
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juliethomson101
@urban_teacher #ukedchat There are too many ICT teachers who are ICT illiterate!
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largerama dmandrews15 MoodleMcKean hlmrmo digitalmaverick Jon_Torbitt mchirps ICTmagic Stephen_Logan islayian largerama mattbritland
I am not here to promote myself nor my work but show a model that can make "ICT the hub of the house, the kitchen" #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I still think spreadsheets taught well, with a purpose is a powerful tool #ukedchat @sharland @digitalmaverick agreed but basic grounding in something like Scratch can show programming is not only way forward #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @urban_teacher A mistake may be made, but being prepared to use it and admit a mistake is not always bad #ukedchat @mchirps Good point re 'boring qualifications' - I'd like to focus on that in a few mins if possible #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @moodlemckean focus on coding is just 1 of several - problem solving, awareness of design, creativity, confidence #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Stop choosing the most boring modules of quals . #ukedchat I think there is often the feeling that ICT is for specialists in a similar way to MFL. Teachers can do basics, but draw a line. #ukedchat There is lots of great innovative work in ICT going on across the country, there appears to be generalisation it's bad and boring. #ukedchat #ukedchat ICT is not a single subject Computing Science is much more focused on the specific skills that need to be developed And look at the work of #digitalstudies for a balanced approach to a multi-disciplined subject #ukedchat @MichaelaPorter2 That makes me sad...my students see ICT and get excited. #ukedchat
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#ukedchat does ICT really need salvaging? Seems to be a knee jerk reaction. I think it is still a popular subject. Just keep it up to date. RT @largerama: And look at the work of #digitalstudies for a balanced approach to a multidisciplined subject #ukedchat
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jamesdhobsonuk
Why is there so much assertion and generalisation when ICT is discussed? eg "pens and paper were the technology of yesterday" #ukedchat
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MrAColley Stephen_Logan eslweb digitalmaverick eylanezekiel Jon_Torbitt Stephen_Logan digitalmaverick
Specialists. It's been an 'anybody can do it' subject for too long #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat does ICT really need salvaging? Seems to be a knee jerk reaction. I think it is still a popular subject. Just keep it up to date. RT @misterel: #ukedchat does ICT really need salvaging? Seems to be a knee jerk reaction. I think it is still a popular subject. Just keep it up to date. @dmandrews15 Very true, but even Microsoft Edu staff say they don't want ICT teachers concentrate on the use of their tools #ukedchat Would like to suggest that ICT can only be salvaged if taken OUTSIDE school entirely. Why does it need to be 'in' the curriculum? #ukedchat @hlmrmo @urban_teacher and the point is 'being prepared to admit mistake' how can they if don't know they're using ICT wrongly #ukedchat @misterel agree ICT needs to be kept relevant and engaging. #ukedchat RT @mwclarkson: What was good in ICT? Teaching students how to use IT skills in a practical setting,
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sharland mchirps Jon_Torbitt mattbritland digitalmaverick sharland MrAColley Pixelh8 DKeano1985 Spenceict Jon_Torbitt oldandrewuk digitalmaverick Carlsberg40 Jon_Torbitt
exploring ideas #ukedchat @misterel @Stephen_Logan I think we shouldn't chuck it out - there was some good to it which can be reused #ukedchat @MrAColley And expectations. They have been too low #ukedchat @dmandrews15: @digitalmaverick I still think spreadsheets taught well, with a purpose is a powerful tool #ukedchat vital in business @juliethomson101 @urban_teacher I think too many non specialists have been made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat RT @islayian: #ukedchat ICT is not a single subject Computing Science is much more focused on the specific skills that need to be developed RT @largerama: @mattbritland but computer science is not the be all and end all. Creative media, dig literacy r just as important #ukedchat Are we talking about ICT as a discrete subject or the use of technology to aid learning here? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat ICT is not put in to perspective how many times have you taken your kids to see computing professionals at work? @Spenceict great point. I think ict illiteracy is a hurdle in both cases. #ukedchat My opinion: teach about IT, its uses & how it works KS1-2 Teach Computer Science as option KS3+. ICT used to support all learning #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @mchirps 'boring' modules picked as can be taught thy anyone, removing need for specialist/more expensive staff #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Lessons in using Office are pointless. Looking stuff up & cutting & pasting is not a useful skill either. I soemtimes feel that as an ICT teacher I do not get to use technology in ways as exciting as OTHER subjects can use it #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: Are we talking about ICT as a discrete subject or the use of technology to aid learning here? #ukedchat @misterel: #ukedchat does ICT really need salvaging?still a popular subject. Just keep it up to
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sharland techczech digitalmaverick teachesict kazbird1975 eylanezekiel largerama Spencerayres Jon_Torbitt mattbritland davidhunter bucharesttutor Stephen_Logan Hyrum_Graff hlmrmo
date. Tell the exam boards that @Spenceict that's too narrow a focus at KS3 - too much expectation on becoming coders #ukedchat "The simple cognitive activity of ordering can be incredibly powerful in building essay skills." @alistairm http://t.co/tU2akOBT #ukedchat Does ICT have relevance as a separate subject? #ukedchat pupils must see a rebranded ICT as a chance to explore software and not to be told what to do #ukedchat #ukedchat Does anyone have any advice for job interview, Assistant principle, KS2 Leader, first management job!!!! @digitalmaverick surely you are proof that even ICT teachers can have fun with ICT? #ukedchat : ) RT @mwclarkson: @digitalmaverick @sharland Ultimately ICT should be both discrete AND x-curric. Both implementations are vital #ukedchat @MrAColley Correct to make the point about them being different things, but both need discussing! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @dmandrews15 it's the process not the tools that matter - a true craftsman can make their own tools #ukedchat @largerama #ukedchat I completely agree. I am not a computer scientist. Creative media and dig lit are my bread and butter. #ukedchat theres sthing in the algorithmic concepts in programming that trains the mind to be logical.THEN there's learning to use IT tools. Hello all and @digitalmaverick would like to see a fixed curriculum in ICT teaching for different years #ukedchat teaching it is imperative @Hyrum_Graff @misterel ICT is always evolving. Textbook are dated within a day of print. #ukedchat I think so long as we move away from MS office, Digital Literacy has its place. However, every kid should still be taught to code #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt If they cannot do what they want, a mistake is being made and an alternative has to be found #ukedchat
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Stephen_Logan oldandrewuk Jon_Torbitt oldandrewuk DoBeLou teachesict Ingotian sharland digitalmaverick urban_teacher digitalmaverick hlmrmo mberry mattbritland digitalmaverick Stephen_Logan
Great topic tonight. #ukedchat RT @MichaelaPorter2: My teenage daughters say their heart sinks when they see ict on the timetable #ukedchat @eylanezekiel: Why does ICT need to be 'in' the curriculum? #ukedchat league tables + easy target RT @teachesict: Pupils still need digital literacy but this should be a fraction of the subject, not the whole #ukedchat RT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat It is not that the parts of ICT are not worthy of study - but the legacy content, method and tools need to be rethought @digitalmaverick yes but all subjects should still be using it #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Why? You can use IT for just about anything in specialist lessons. #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @digitalmaverick a better one is being developed - take a look at #digitalstudies #ukedchat Why are some LAs *already* renaming the subject formerly called 'ICT', as 'Computing'? Is it THAT toxic a name? #ukedchat The main problem with ICT is the communication between technicians, e-learning, ICT teachers and staff! #ukedchat RT @bucharesttutor: Hello all and @digitalmaverick would like to see a fixed curriculum in ICT teaching for different years #ukedchat teaching it is imperative > @teachesict: pupils must see a rebranded ICT as a chance to explore software and not to be told what to do #ukedchat @digitalmaverick yes. IT moderately important in learning, life and work. A critical study of this domain seems somewhat relevant. #ukedchat @largerama @mwclarkson @digitalmaverick @sharland I agree with this. #ukedchat RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat theres sthing in the algorithmic concepts in programming that trains the mind to be logical.THEN there's learning to use IT tools. Should we not be giving students a choice? Not ever student wants to do programming. #ukedchat
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MichaelaPorter2 nickotkdIV PPotter sharland Jon_Torbitt chrisrat colmmu oldandrewuk misterel Spenceict Stephen_Logan mrlockyer juliethomson101 eslweb chrisrat nickotkdIV jasongorman Hyrum_Graff
@mattbritland inspired teacher probably more important that curriculum #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @digitalmaverick Why we use a ICT curriculum that work around other subject. we have a set of skills to cover #ukedchat ICT could be split into 2 subjects like eng Lang + Lit. Computer Science + ICT #ukedchat @digitalmaverick yip - Toxic and slightly convoluted as well #ukedchat @mattbritland: think too many non specialists made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat compounding student misconceptions RT @digitalmaverick: If you are NOT a teacher, what is YOUR view of ICT as a subject as taught in schools? #ukedchat ICT in it's current terminology is too broad a church too #ukedchat @teachesict @digitalmaverick Why? #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt surely that is slightly different. ICT as a subject isn't in trouble. The examination of ICT is outdated. #ukedchat @sharland I probably mean Computer Science in broadest sense - processes, languages, applications not just coding #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Does ICT have relevance as a separate subject? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick ICT should only be a separate subject if it is for a separate purpose. Programming yes. Illustration - no! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat That's just how I feel @MichaelaPorter2 @mattbritland Bit of vicious circle that one. Good teacher will choose a good curriculum. #ukedchat RT @largerama: @digitalmaverick tbh If people in this #ukedchat havent read my blog posts then they should http://t.co/ZbGEXyua and http://t.co/8SCb9ojL #ukedchat ICT taught through topics not as a stand alone subject? .@islayian Computing Science is a branch of mathematics. You're thinking of computer programming :) #ukedchat @mattbritland I have seen specialists that can't code
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largerama digitalmaverick sharland MrAColley jamesdhobsonuk mberry urban_teacher TeacherToolkit Ingotian eslweb Stephen_Logan bucharesttutor islayian digitalmaverick Jon_Torbitt nickotkdIV
or write HTML. #ukedchat Qualifications /syllabuses at KS 4 & KS 5 still needs lots of work for IT. Again I refer u all to a post : http://t.co/VN24A6VS #ukedchat @urban_teacher Why do you see 'communication between ICT professionals' as the main problem/ #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @Stephen_Logan ICT has relevance as a separate subject if it is properly grounded in contexts and relevant skills #ukedchat @Spencerayres In the same discussion? #ukedchat Why do kids need to code? Do they all need to code? Lots of ppl saying it-where's the rationale? #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan Not every student wants to do poetry. Part of the job is broadening horizons. #ukedchat In a few years time! The government will be complaining there too many programmers and not enough people ICT literate.its a cycle #ukedchat I've not taken part in #ukedchat for weeks. Why? I'm looking for the forum to take its debate to the next level. To inform policy @ukedchat @digitalmaverick Computing and ICT aren't the same. There is overlap. What matters is teaching things kids need to know. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV Good ICT teachers already bring context in secondary schools to lessons. I'd like to think this happens in primary too #ukedchat Interesting when you speak to parents. In my experience they always say it is crucial for their future. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @digitalmaverick so then my next Q, what are the set of skills needed to cover ICT to kids varying in different years? #ukedchat @largerama @mattbritland #ukedchat But Dig. Media and Dig. Lit MUST be taught cross all subjects @mwclarkson And what solution was arrived at re nomenclature? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick ICT not necessarily toxic, cynical view could be renaming to Computing appears like action being taken #ukedchat @MrAColley @digitalmaverick i thought the
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Spencerayres DKeano1985 teachesict mattbritland normal_for_jp Hyrum_Graff eslweb largerama urban_teacher taffwatts Jon_Torbitt
curriculum is all about links between subjects #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan Very true but every student can already do Powerpoint et all!!! #ukedchat #ukedchat how are lessons in MS Office developed once students are competent with the package? @oldandrewuk ICT should be seen as embedded in all subjects but specialist teachers are still needed to deliver required skills #ukedchat @Hyrum_Graff Specialist ICT teachers? #ukedchat #ukedchat Was at taster day at local high school. Talked about Raspberry pi. Teacher not interested in it. @misterel @Stephen_Logan I have the PDF in iBooks to display on the board, for what it's worth. I refuse to buy them for classs #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @nickotkdIV @digitalmaverick KS1 Finding files, basic typing, basic word processing and making pictures. #ukedchat give kids a taste of as many strands of IT as poss in KS2 and 3 then let them choose to specialize at KS4 anf 5 #ukedchat @digitalmaverick because when the technology fails no seems take responsibility or knows whats going on! #ukedchat RT @mattbritland: think too many non specialists made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat compounding student misconceptions @Spenceict @sharland My Comp Sci degree had a real mix - web, coding, AI, Neural Nets, Hardware - a great mix to provide awareness #ukedchat
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juliethomson101
@digitalmaverick #ukedchat When did it become ICT-I seem to remember qualifying in IT and teaching computing
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sharland mcolliver Kezmerrelda mberry digitalmaverick mattpearson SheliBB nickotkdIV Julian3576 urban_teacher Stephen_Logan digitalmaverick hlmrmo Jon_Torbitt AnnishaThomas
@Spencerayres @Stephen_Logan not necessarily most of them struggle with key things like presenting correctly to an audience #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan yet we teach Latin to all of our students still, so perhaps programming more useful?? #ukedchat #ukedchat just like any other subject you have to love ict to be inspiring to kids and really embrace it across the curriculum i @normal_for_jp were the pupils interested in it? #ukedchat @mwclarkson Ah, but in chosing the topic for tonight I wanted to address the name as much as any other aspect of the discussion #ukedchat RT @normal_for_jp: #ukedchat Was at taster day at local high school. Talked about Raspberry pi. Teacher not interested in it. @mrlockyer @digitalmaverick in primary you can *mostly* teach skills in context, so tech is a learning tool rather than a subject #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @digitalmaverick we have a document that has the NC attainment targets broken down into skills for attainment #ukedchat #ukedchat ICT should not be taught at all. Pupils exploring and developing ideas should be fully supported. Teachers seen as facilitators. ICT should be seen as embedded in all subjects but specialist teachers are still needed to deliver required skills #ukedchat @mberry very interesting point. Would it form a module or aspect of the curriculum then? #ukedchat RT @urban_teacher: @digitalmaverick because when the technology fails no seems take responsibility or knows whats going on! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Being confident to select the appropriate tools for what they want to do #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @urban_teacher not sure I could identify an ICT professional - an IT Support Tech maybe? #ukedchat #ukedchat Is this topic concerning primary education too? I've seen a big decline in teaching ICT in my own school.
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Hyrum_Graff bucharesttutor urban_teacher oldandrewuk eslweb sharland digitalmaverick largerama nickotkdIV digitalmaverick MrAColley
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@mattbritland Yes. You can get through a comp sic degree now with one module of Java, that's soon forgotten. #ukedchat @sharland @digitalmaverick can you please share the link as I am unable to find it #ukedchat Technology and ICT Curriculum go hand in hand, the problem we had before was ICT was playing catch up to the Technology. #ukedchat @teachesict #ukedchat That's not answering the question, that's just elaborating on the original statement. @bucharesttutor @nickotkdIV @digitalmaverick KS3 Full media production and mastery of Scratch. #ukedchat #ukedchat we shouldn't rely exclusively on things like the #raspberrypi to save ICT - mix it up a bit @juliethomson101 It became ICT around '99 I think and not many people knew then what the 'C' stood for #ukedchat @islayian IN some respects yes. The application of those skills should be taught x curric but specific skills need discrete IT IMO #ukedchat @eslweb @bucharesttutor @digitalmaverick exactly the skills mentions #ukedchat RT @hlmrmo: > @teachesict: pupils must see a rebranded ICT as a chance to explore software and not to be told what to do #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat just like any other subject you have to love ict to be inspiring to kids and really embrace it across the curriculum i RT @Jon_Torbitt: @mattbritland: think too many non specialists made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat compounding student misconceptions @sharland @stephen_logan But is that ICT, surely the ability to present isn't an ICT issue - embed those skills to other subjects?#ukedchat #ukedchat as English teacher I try to use ICT and despair at manic animation in PPTs - should make clearer links interdept @digitalmaverick Agree with @mwclarkson We waste too much time arguing over names. What
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should kids learn and why is the que. #ukedchat RT @PPotter: ICT could be split into 2 subjects like eng Lang + Lit. Computer Science + ICT #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @digitalmaverick just post hello on #digitalstudies and we will get back to you after the end of the madness :-) #ukedchat RT @colmmu: ICT in it's current terminology is too broad a church too #ukedchat @PPotter @digitalmaverick I like that idea. #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan I'm old fashioned and believe that all should have some entitlement to learn computational thinking and coding. #ukedchat The problem with the ICT Curriculum it needs more time to be developed! I think trying change it so quick is a knee jerk reaction! #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Does ICT have relevance as a separate subject? #ukedchat RT @taffwatts: RT @mattbritland: think too many non specialists made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat compounding student misconceptions RT @PPotter: ICT could be split into 2 subjects like eng Lang + Lit. Computer Science + ICT #ukedchat @Julian3576 how can pupils explore ideas if they have no knowledge of what the ideas are or could be in / using ICT #ukedchat RT @islayian: #ukedchat ICT is not a single subject Computing Science is much more focused on the specific skills that need to be developed @eslweb @nickotkdiv @digitalmaverick awesome stuff James :)) thanks a bunch for sharing them with me #ukedchat RT @Jon_Torbitt: @mattbritland: think too many non specialists made to teach ICT when they are not trained. #ukedchat compounding student misconceptions @Hyrum_Graff I am a specialist and I do not code. My degree is multimedia IT. Not being able 2 code doesnr mean you cant teach ICT #ukedchat @Stephen_Logan but as part of a broad and balanced technological education. #ukedchat
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MrAColley nickotkdIV mrpeel Carlsberg40 oldandrewuk mattbritland digitalmaverick myhanhdoan bucharesttutor digitalmaverick PPotter Stephen_Logan teachesict Spenceict nickotkdIV mberry sharland
@Carlsberg40 @digitalmaverick But they'r never off the compute at home.... ;) Difference between consumer & creator. #ukedchat @PPotter Why? #ukedchat #ukedchat is there a split - functional skills via ECDL type of course OR programming model? RT @colmmu: ICT in it's current terminology is too broad a church too #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @MrAColley @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Breaking subject boundaries down usually just results in dumbing-down. RT @sharland: #ukedchat we shouldn't rely exclusively on things like the #raspberrypi to save ICT - mix it up a bit Those that deliver examination courses in ICT - why are they still covering DPA, H&S, CMA, expert ssytems, Access etc? #ukedchat ICT is more of a facilitator of other subjects as opposed to a subject in itself? #ukedchat @sharland @digitalmaverick thanks Brian :)) I will surely do that #ukedchat RT @jamesdhobsonuk: Why do kids need to code? Do they all need to code? Lots of ppl saying itwhere's the rationale? #ukedchat Could using ICTs make up ks3 and be a core subject. Then optional at ks4 and more specialist #ukedchat @mberry definitely. Students need to understand how things work in ICT #ukedchat @oldandrewuk i should have added it should be used "if appropriate"; #ukedchat @mchirps but I think the names are important here because we're talking about two different things: 1) application 2) study of IT #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @MrAColley @digitalmaverick in all KS? #ukedchat @xannov for our 'digital natives' they've some familiarity with a range of tech before they get to nursery. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think it is dangerous to assume that kids just 'know' IT - you are falling into the digital native / immigrant trap
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DrTomCrick eslweb mrstucke Jon_Torbitt largerama Hyrum_Graff TaffTykeC MrAColley mrpeel oldandrewuk SheliBB davidhunter islayian dmandrews15 digitalmaverick
We had the very same terminology discussion today at an @ocrexams consultation event; I feel the Royal Soc. naming fits very well #ukedchat @mrpeel Id say so yes. #ukedchat Functional skills are needed for nearly all jobs whereas programming is high value for minority #ukedchat #ukedchat it's an exciting time 2 teach ICT, rip up that curriculum & teach what we know matters, find the KS4 quals our learners need @mattbritland: Am a specialist and do not code. Degree is multimedia IT. Not being able 2 code doesnt mean u cant teach ICT #ukedchat RT @mrstucke: #ukedchat it's an exciting time 2 teach ICT, rip up that curriculum & teach what we know matters, find the KS4 quals our learners need @mattbritland Not at the moment, but it might do in a year or two. The point is that retrainign is essential. #ukedchat @SheliBB @MrAColley Is ICT not just such an integral & cross-curricular part of everyday that it doesn't need to be a 'subject' #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @nickotkdIV @digitalmaverick You're usually very good with evidence to back up your tweets. Any for this? #ukedchat #ukedchat because u can does not mean you should - use of colour and animation in PPts @Stephen_Logan Never heard a parent say that. Usually far more worried about the 3 R's #ukedchat @AnnishaThomas oh that's a real shame. Why? #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat chn grow in wrld dominated by the net.better u/stndng it enables them to take part in democ like reading didbefore #ukedchat We cldn't attract a Comp Teach So we try to develop the skills across the curr. but miss the specific programming skills @sandra5036 I teach Year 6 but chldrn used s/sheets to plan a trip to Africa on a budget, researching costs of flight, hotels etc #ukedchat @mchirps Sadly the name DOES matter and is causing a lot of consternation in a lot of 'high' places #ukedchat
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kforeilly mberry sandra5036 colmmu teachesict exmosis BarnesRick mchirps ElKel99 DrTomCrick eslweb nickotkdIV sharland digitalmaverick lisa_uk_com jamesgurung MrAColley
RT @sharland: #ukedchat I think it is dangerous to assume that kids just 'know' IT - you are falling into the digital native / immigrant trap @normal_for_jp LOL. Teacher's lack of interest and pupils' may not be unrelated. #ukedchat @urban_teacher ICT by its nature changes quickly #ukedchat There is a real problem in the UK with shortage of coders and programmers, this is why coding moved to forefront #ukedchat @Carlsberg40 #digitalstudies as a rebrand and improvement of ICT allows for clearly defined strands #ukedchat MT @jamesdhobsonuk: Why do kids need to code? Lots of ppl saying it-where's the rationale? #ukedchat < Hacking is more useful... @taffwatts @mattbritland #ukedchat that's my whole department @digitalmaverick I agree it matters, but we never get past that to discuss what kids should be learning. #ukedchat @PPotter @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Agree Computer Science should be taught but ICT shd be integrated learning tools across curric Straw poll for #ukedchat people: do you think that the term 'ICT' can/should be salvaged? @sharland @kforeilly Well we all know NATIVE speakers of English vary in quality ;) #ukedchat @wifemumteachgk the fun of teaching #ukedchat @colmmu agreed - which is why we need to introduce programming but not rely on it exclusively #ukedchat @oldandrewuk What would YOU do with ICT? How do YOU think it could best be used to support YOUR subject? #ukedchat #ukedchat Is @SCHOOLSNE the only organisation of its type in England? Is it before its time? Is it the future? Like It Share It! Lisa! ICT is too much about design and not enough about productivity and real-life problem solving. #ukedchat @TaffTykeC @SheliBB As a tool perhaps. As a discipline & subject for academic study no. Same
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SheliBB exmosis colmmu socialtechno BarnesRick jamesdhobsonuk Hyrum_Graff AnnishaThomas juliethomson101 Jon_Torbitt mberry mattbritland
could be argued for English.. #ukedchat #ukedchat KS4 quals do need work. But there are good ones out there - need to be considered school by school basis - 1 size does not fit all @DrTomCrick YES! #ukedchat RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat ICT should not be taught at all. Pupils exploring and developing ideas should be fully supported. Teachers seen as facilitators. RT @mrstucke: #ukedchat it's an exciting time 2 teach ICT, rip up that curriculum & teach what we know matters, find the KS4 quals our learners need RT @sharland: #ukedchat I think it is dangerous to assume that kids just 'know' IT We were also losing self taught talent because our ed system not nurturing or able to provide qualification #ukedchat Digital literacy is incredibly important. See @hrheingold's research and teaching. But ICT had little of that. #ukedchat @TaffTykeC @SheliBB @MrAColley #ukedchat So who is going to teach how to do it properly? What has ICT given us when it is poor? Plagiarism,cut and paste,dull spreadsheets,Microsoft slavery and a plague of *finding out* #ukedchat @ElKel99 @PPotter @digitalmaverick That's fine if teachers know what they're doing. I know Maths teachers that can't use Excel #ukedchat @digitalmaverick What level of ICT skills would you expect a yr 7 pupil to have gained from primary school? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I seem to remember now an urban myth that Tony Blair accidentally said ICT in speech, and they had to find a 'C' #ukedchat @mberry: @normal_for_jp LOL. Teacher's lack of interest and pupils' may not be unrelated. #ukedchat true for any subject/lesson @jamesdhobsonuk it's about what a 3rd millennium liberal education should include. Program or be programmed. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @Hyrum_Graff retraining myself but coding is not the be all and end all. It is not suitable for all. An intro of
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mchirps sharland ElKel99 digitalmaverick MrAColley oldandrewuk dominiccampbell mchirps mcolliver DKeano1985 josepicardo colmmu sandra5036 PaulineAH Hyrum_Graff ElKel99 DaiPlum
course is good. #ukedchat @Julian3576 You could apply this to any subject. #ukedchat @Julian3576 @digitalmaverick we need group work and project driven approach in the subject - no 'i want to hear one click' lessons #ukedchat @PPotter @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I really can't see point for example in 'teaching' kids how to use Excel in discrete ICT lesson 1/2 RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat because u can does not mean you should - use of colour and animation in PPts @digitalmaverick Because they can be neatly quantified & assessed. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I described how I use it here: http://t.co/u8Z5hpYg RT @exmosis: RT @sharland: #ukedchat I think it is dangerous to assume that kids just 'know' IT @Julian3576 What is it they should learn? #ukedchat Why children need to code... Have you ever read Papert's work?? #ukedchat @mrstucke what would you suggest? #ukedchat #ukedchat The drive to "do" coding in schools bears many similarities to when MFL used to be based on grammar teaching http://t.co/GZCbgrLL @sharland definitely not rely on it singularly, nobody suggested that - it was a battle to get it recognised #ukedchat Specifications need to be flexible and adaptable. They are too rigid and take too long to change. Often left over from naughties #ukedchat Forgot to #ukedchat on last tweet @mattbritland Agreed. We need to strike a fine balance. We can't ditch ICT for Computing. We need both in our departments #ukedchat @PPotter @digitalmaverick #ukedchat when would naturally use it in another curric area. No wonder many kids see 'ICT' per se as pointless RT @digitalmaverick: From 8pm, use the #ukedchat hashtag in your replies and lets hear what you think about whether or not ICT in schools is beyond
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Jon_Torbitt SheliBB sharland mberry digitalmaverick nickotkdIV Beautifulanger
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Starshine_Music
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misterel Julian3576 Jon_Torbitt exmosis Beautifulanger digitalmaverick AnnishaThomas sharland
redemption @digitalmaverick @oldandrewuk as ICT/Comp teacher - ICT as foundation for media/web/computing - so kids have tools to help them #ukedchat @TaffTykeC @mracolley it needs defining so that it gets used and children learn the appropriate skills #ukedchat @sandra5036 take a look at #digitalstudies - we are building it to be very flexible #ukedchat @xannov Yes. Learner centred educaiton for EYFS and PhDs, something of a dip inbetween. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I described how I use it here: http://t.co/u8Z5hpYg @PPotter cool. I take this is for KS3 and above? #ukedchat #ukedchat I fail to see why people say ICT is not important. ICT is a fundamental part of the real world. Cont.... Very thought provoking QT @mikeatedji: http://t.co/klWEiy73 > gossamer webs of.communication lines or are they chains? Beautiful" #ukedchat #ukedchat not wanting to be controversial, but you could remove ICT and add any other subject on the curriculum and get a similar discussion @Jon_Torbitt I soon taught myself basic on my C64. My teachers had no idea why missed school so much when I was 8. #ukedchat @colmmu teaching to the test and not teaching to self-teach and learn perhaps #ukedchat Lots of #ukedchat about using tech vs coding. What about basic principles of hardware & networks? = Understanding of both UIs and Code. #ukedchat .... Perhaps computer science more at GCSE level. @oldandrewuk That's a BRILLIANT blogpost (hadn't seen it before) lets hear more of where you think strengths of ICT are #ukedchat In my experience primary ICT has consisted of poor teaching, lots of ppt, ms word and Internet research #ukedchat @colmmu it seems to be a DfE push so i think gently
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colmmu mrpeel misterel mattbritland DrTomCrick mrstucke socialtechno teachesict digitalmaverick sandra5036 jamesdhobsonuk largerama mattbritland digitalmaverick sharland mattbritland Jon_Torbitt
countering that as much as possible is good #ukedchat Out children's future is going to be a complex and data driven world, we have to provide the skills to make sense of that #ukedchat #ukedchat forgot the tag... #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @Hyrum_Graff #ukedchat 100% with you. @Hyrum_Graff @mattbritland Agreed -- there should be GCSEs in Computer Science and IT (as per RS and @CompAtSch recommendations) #ukedchat @DKeano1985 depends on school. OCR Computing GCSE is good & marginally more mature than others. Creative iMedia worth a look #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk Why do kids need to speak a foreign language, or dance, or do scientific experiments? It changes your outlook. #ukedchat we must allow pupils to acquire a range of skills in real life scenarios that take more than 1 or 2 isolated lessons #ukedchat RT @DrTomCrick: Straw poll for #ukedchat people: do you think that the term 'ICT' can/should be salvaged? @DrTomCrick yes, there is a place for ICT. Not everyone can or wants to code #ukedchat Sorry to be cynical, but has anybody said "21st century skills" yet, or similar anachronistic preening? #ukedchat in my experience in primary feeders to out school, the IT edu is very mixed #ukedchat @ElKel99 @PPotter @digitalmaverick #ukedchat your right...maths and physics could use excel. RT @jamesgurung: ICT is too much about design and not enough about productivity and real-life problem solving. #ukedchat @AnnishaThomas there is so much more then that #digitalstudies has a project based approach and wiki which goes beyond msoffice #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @Hyrum_Graff @mattbritland true there is a place
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Carlsberg40 mberry eslweb islayian TaffTykeC Jon_Torbitt nohandsup digitalmaverick urban_teacher sharland mrstucke
for ICT and separate place for Computing differentiation at fundamental levels #ukedchat @AnnishaThomas My experience of secondary is very similar #ukedchat RT @jamesgurung: ICT is too much about design and not enough about productivity and real-life problem solving. #ukedchat RT @mberry: @jamesdhobsonuk it's about what a 3rd millennium liberal education should include. Program or be programmed. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick RT @jamesgurung: ICT is too much about design and not enough about productivity and real-life problem solving. #ukedchat RT @mcolliver: Why children need to code... Have you ever read Papert's work?? #ukedchat << hear hear. A tool to think with. @sandra5036 @DrTomCrick I disagree every student can be encouraged to use logical thought and do some basic visual coding. #ukedchat RT @mberry: @xannov Yes. Learner centred educaiton for EYFS and PhDs, something of a dip inbetween. #ukedchat @largerama @mwclarkson @digitalmaverick @sharland I agree. Chn can learn ict skills through other areas of learning #ukedchat @normal_for_jp I can see that - they think they are but far from it - sometimes decades out of date, worse at higher ed for ITT #ukedchat Having taught the OCR National Cert ICT for two years I'm convinced it could be taught effectively through other subjects #ukedchat @mrstucke Can you name a GOOD KS4 *ICT* qualification? #ukedchat Better still, can you name a good *KS5* one? ICT: learnging how to drive a car. Computing: learning how to design & make your own car #ukedchat ICT to me lacks an acknowledgement of developing skills for entering into startups #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @DrTomCrick name not important IMHO #ukedchat
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MetalVampiress Spencerayres Stephen_Logan Beautifulanger oldandrewuk DrTomCrick digitalmaverick OxyOxspring colmmu ElKel99 damoward Jon_Torbitt mrstucke DKeano1985 damoward Jon_Torbitt
RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @colmmu But we don't know what their futures will be so any suggestions about how to make sense of it? #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... #ukedchat @miketually @DavidDMuir @MrAColley @nickotkdIV @digitalmaverick Based on experience, the education writings of Paul Hirst & the need for subject knowledge #ukedchat @sandra5036 But computer science isn't just about programming -- what about the computational thinking and problem-solving? #ukedchat @mrstucke But you see to #naace the name *DOES* matter #ukedchat ICT skills seem to be developed across the curriculum, I remember doing more valuable word and excel work in english and science. #ukedchat When I look incoming impact of AI amongst many others on socio economic and geo political sphere I panic about how we're preparing #ukedchat @mattbritland @ppotter @digitalmaverick ...which makes using it relevant, instead of going through the motions #ukedchat @largerama: in my experience in primary feeders to out school, the IT edu is very mixed #ukedchat <true in Doncaster too, much repetition @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... not just good but also needs enthusiasm @mattbritland @ElKel99 @PPotter @digitalmaverick maths and science could also teach it (spreadsheets) #ukedchat @mrstucke thanks. My school are always looking at exam ict and seem to move nowhere fast. #ukedchat RT @DrTomCrick: Straw poll for #ukedchat people: do you think that the term 'ICT' can/should be salvaged? @digitalmaverick: @mrstucke Can you name a GOOD KS4 *ICT* qualification? #ukedchat Better still, can you name a good *KS5* one? BTEC
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MrAColley teachesict mchirps mikallaane mattharding007 DKMead SubtleBlade eslweb Sdfahey urban_teacher mberry DrTomCrick
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mikallaane
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mattharding007 digitalmaverick Carlsberg40
RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... allow pupils to develop #digitalstudies portfolios showing that they can APPLY skills rather than repeat skills #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk That isn't "ICT" it's the school's curriculum and teaching. #ukedchat RT @mrstucke: #ukedchat it's an exciting time 2 teach ICT, rip up that curriculum & teach what we know matters, find the KS4 quals our learners need @AnnishaThomas Sticking up for Primary Schools, our Y6s have done podcasting and video editing. #ukedchat RT @mberry: @xannov Yes. Learner centred educaiton for EYFS and PhDs, something of a dip inbetween. #ukedchat @exmosis @sharland #ukedchat 'kids' don't fear IT... @Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick @mrstucke I like the BTEC too, lots of flexibility to engage students. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I described how I use it here: http://t.co/u8Z5hpYg In a few years time! The government will be complaining there too many programmers and not enough people ICT literate..its a cycle #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk What has the Internet ever done for us? apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation #ukedchat #ukedchat A concern I have from the "get kids coding" movement (a good thing!) is that programming != computer science (and vice versa) RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat ICT should not be taught at all. Pupils exploring and developing ideas should be fully supported. Teachers seen as facilitators. @AnnishaThomas And in my experience secondary teachers spend Y7 teaching PPT - taught in Y2 now. #ukedchat @exmosis But do you think pupils at KS3,4 & 5 need to know that sort of stuff? #ukedchat @damoward @largerama probably true everywhere...? #ukedchat
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sharland mchirps SheliBB Julian3576 ICTmagic sandra5036 Kezmerrelda nohandsup Spenceict mattbritland digitalmaverick mchirps mrstucke digitalmaverick ElKel99
@eslweb @digitalmaverick @mrstucke just pick units carefully + REALLY CHALLENGE kids - make it a course to beat, not skip exams #ukedchat RT @Julian3576: #ukedchat ICT should not be taught at all. Pupils exploring and developing ideas should be fully supported. Teachers seen as facilitators. @mwclarkson Could you say why? #ukedchat My children are inspired and motivated in lessons and use technology a lot to show their learning. They are 6-7 year olds #ukedchat @mchirps Think we should apply this far more often to other subjects (although fundamental skills should not be forgotten) #ukedchat RT @mcolliver: Why children need to code... Have you ever read Papert's work?? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick the IT Diploma was good but they stuck other stuff with it. Now a lot of work for little credit so dying #ukedchat #ukedchat are we facilitating or encouraging ict across the curric - allowing children to use to explore, research, develop ideas, create I'd like to see learners digitally literate through learning in all subjects. Discrete ICT/Comp only at KS4 for those who want it #ukedchat Do we have an education workforce that is ready to deliver quality ICT to support learning AND learning about ICT? #ukedchat @mberry @jamesdhobsonuk #ukedchat Nice Monty Python reference. Why do KS4 & KS5 have overreliance on DPA, crime, use of Access, mundane tasks, networking as if the subject has no breadth? #ukedchat @mberry Papert also about using immersive microworlds to learn (doesn't have to be limied to coding) #ukedchat RT @eslweb: @Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick @mrstucke I like the BTEC too, lots of flexibility to engage students. #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... #ukedchat maybe we need to scrap 'ICT', teach
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Jon_Torbitt sharland TwitTwooUK largerama colmmu DrTomCrick therobharrison digitalmaverick PPotter oldandrewuk eslweb
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programming in Computer Science, & better integrate digital literacy across the curriculum @DrTomCrick True - that's what a Computer Science degree is for. If we produce a CS A Level it could be lambasted as elitist #ukedchat @SubtleBlade @exmosis #ukedchat some do - most dont - there is a range of experience but yes the fear is more in teachers ICT is should be about learning digital literacy, the ability to express your ideas / thoughts using technology #ukedchat @Carlsberg40 reckon so #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt much assessment in form of test is broken, we have to rethink that but need to provide form of qual for employability #ukedchat @mrstucke @digitalmaverick Agreed that content is more important, but there is a big terminology/branding/perception problem #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: If you are NOT a teacher, what is YOUR view of ICT as a subject as taught in schools? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Can you expand on that please? #ukedchat Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @misterel #ukedchat Really? Some of the best teachers I know have no enthusiasm at all. I'm simply not accepting that kids can't code. This was created by my 8 year old at home. http://t.co/maYQuiir #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat Barriers are down at KS3 now. I'm 'salvaging' by developing as rigorous, engaging a curric as I can & teaching it w enthusiasm #ukedchat @ElKel99 i would disagree about digital literacy xcurricula - i dont think non spec teachers can do it effectively #ukedchat
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@colmmu need to bin the league table system and find a new way forward - credit-based like BTec? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham @tafftykec @mracolley because they learn the skills in context, the sane way I teach grammar, maths etc in context #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt things like #badgeville from Mozilla are good ideas in their infancy #ukedchat @teachesict agreed, far too much repetition and too little application #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk Not yet ;-) #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Agree. I'd love to code websites with my KS5 project, but fearful of moving away from Access that gets results #ukedchat @mchirps I know. But not too hard for kids/teachers to code the microworld these days - DIY Angry Birds in Scratch etc. #ukedchat @SheliBB @MrAColley I guess planning for ict through another subject rather than 'an ict stand alone lesson'? #ukedchat If we don't teach the skills and give ICT opportunities in school what happens to those children that cant access it at home? #ukedchat RT @jamesdhobsonuk: Sorry to be cynical, but has anybody said "21st century skills" yet, or similar anachronistic preening? #ukedchat @eslweb @Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick problem is that BTEC/Nationals/iMedia type quals days numbered thanks to league table reform #ukedchat @oldandrewuk: @Jon_Torbitt @misterel #ukedchat Really? Some of the best teachers I know have no enthusiasm at all. yep at least i think so RT @ElKel99: #ukedchat maybe we need to scrap 'ICT', teach programming in Computer Science, & (cont) http://t.co/MHqlO00J #ukedchat Have ex pupil, year 9 now, coming back and moaning about excel in every lesson. "You'll need it when you get a job" Really? #ukedchat Is learning to code a means to an end? Or is it the end itself? ICT in schools is the heart beat! The better you look after it the better collaboration and communication
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and innovation #ukedchat @Hyrum_Graff hence my comments re need for exam boards to change and teachers to drive this not them #ukedchat Any of my Followers NOT involved in education want to contribute to the #ukedchat about the state of ICT in schools? Coding runs through my veins but I still have to say that the emphasis should be on creativity through digital literacy #ukedchat @sharland @ElKel99 #ukedchat Many don't see at important either so do not treat the subject with the respect it deserves. @Jon_Torbitt In what way? Couldn't you apply the same "elitist" argument to Maths, Physics, et al.? We need A-Level CS #ukedchat @mrstucke @Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick Most of them have now been re-accredited. So I think they'll be ok #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat Teaching how to program in a meaningful / fun manner is paramount if we are going to create a new generation of coders #ukedchat @DrTomCrick a lot of 16 yr olds we get cannot cope cos they have been fedBTEC and OCR Nats to boost league tables #ukedchat RT @ElKel99: #ukedchat maybe we need to scrap 'ICT', teach programming in Computer Science, & better integrate digital literacy across the curriculum Woah - 30mins of #ukedchat down, 30 to go, time is flying when your fingers are too.... We need a curriculum that teaches two different skill sets as coding is not for everyone. Keep media skills separate from coding #ukedchat ICT should only be used if it enhances the learning experience or facilitates curiousity & enquiry Let's take risks #ukedchat RT @sharland: @ElKel99 i would disagree about digital literacy x-curricula - i dont think non spec
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teachers can do it effectively #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Does ICT have relevance as a separate subject? #ukedchat @largerama @Hyrum_Graff agreed - we shouldn't be driven by what assessment strategies have to be followed #ukedchat @SubtleBlade @exmosis @sharland I disagree, I think some of my chn do fear IT, the ones who I see trying to get other chn to do it #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat The young age bit, or the postgraduate bit? RT @digitalmaverick: Any of my Followers NOT involved in education want to contribute to the #ukedchat about the state of ICT in schools? @mwclarkson Me too. Hence the collective '..but we are doing that!' after Gove's BETT speech. #ukedchat @DrTomCrick certainly - the dreaded 'fast track' or 'further' approach. Let's design a CS A Level then! #ukedchat Students need to learn ICT at KS3 / KS4 / KS5 because 70% of jobs require ICT! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick er GCSE specifications? Much would be gained from looking beyond the qualifications to projects and portfolios. #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Any of my Followers NOT involved in education want to contribute to the #ukedchat about the state of ICT in schools? @digitalmaverick Absolutely. Not specifics, but *concepts*. Analogies. Knowing what tech does is key to exploration. #ukedchat @PPotter Amazing!! I love that so much!!! #ukedchat @mwclarkson I agree. But if this is a chance for us to pause, reconsider and refresh then it's all too the good. #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt needs to be form of assessment based on authentic activity to prove skill. Mastery perspective is key. #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Any of my Followers NOT involved in education want to contribute to the #ukedchat about the state of ICT in schools? @TaffTykeC @mracolley that's how it works in our
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davidhunter exmosis
school and many other primaries. ICT is fully embedded and purposeful #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat RT @mwclarkson: @josepicardo Learning to 'code' is like learning vocab. Learning to 'program' is great problem solving exercise #ukedchat #ukedchat Yr8 were asked to create a blog using pen.io & html. http://t.co/H6AECm8V Great example of coding being taught for the students. RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @digitalmaverick they over rely on access etc as that's what the examiners know and assume is what's "popular" - am i right any1? #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @TwitTwooUK - exactly - two different skill sets yet with common starting point in core principles #ukedchat @PPotter @Spencerayres awesome - that's a really clear approach by the sounds of it #ukedchat #digitalstudies @eslweb @Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick but only 2 count, damaging to many SLTs & negative press damaging 2 parent/pupil perception #ukedchat @oldandrewuk The concept :-) A long day at work (just got home at 7:45) has left me brainfrazzled #ukedchat RT @mikematthewsCDN: #ukedchat Yr8 were asked to create a blog using pen.io & html. http://t.co/H6AECm8V Great example of coding being taught for the students. #ukedchat the big opportunity is making schools transparent to their stakeholders and using web to involve parents/others in the learning @digitalmaverick My own fond memories were the
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karimderrick mcolliver mrstucke familysimpson largerama ElKel99 OxyOxspring SheliBB teachesict Jon_Torbitt DrTomCrick digitalmaverick oldandrewuk mchirps sharland
Usborne books with robots moving bits and nibbles into cardboard boxes ;) #ukedchat Comparative judgement...not criterion referencing is key to effective assessment of computer programming #lwf12 #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @drtomcrick What is wrong with the current A-level computing then?n #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @eslweb @digitalmaverick sadly that's not the world we all work in though :( #ukedchat Happy news this week as my school renamed ICT in S1/2 as Computing. Helps transition to S3 as well as more focus on Comp Sci #ukedchat fear of IT? Go luk at this produced by a Y10 this week http://t.co/YdKgErc1 and tell me hes scared of IT and cant do it!! #ukedchat @sharland if non-spec teachers can't do it is it not unrealistic to expect students to? We shd set example, not be scared of tech #ukedchat @DrTomCrick That's true. #ukedchat @normal_for_jp @annishathomas we've been creating ibook guide books today for Backwoods Billy Baxter! #ukedchat #iPadEd http://t.co/mYOCodJ7 @urban_teacher that doesn't mean ICT has to be a subject in its own right - it could be a part of a better subject #digitalstudies #ukedchat @mrstucke @eslweb @digitalmaverick true - need to lobby ministerial level to provide real qualifications that recognise creativity #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt Agreed! But we need rigorous GCSEs in Computer Science, because it is a very leaky pipeline from KS3-->A-Level #ukedchat Is there any mileage at all for Javascript for example to be seen in the same light as a language, and taught as such in schools? #ukedchat @urban_teacher #ukedchat Even more jobs require turning up on time. Should lessons in punctuality appear on the timetable? @mberry But quals drive what is taught. Portfolios used to collect evidence of what is learned. So need to sort out quals. #ukedchat @ElKel99 but it continues to fall into the trap of a very NB subject being pushed by teachers with less
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mikematthewsCDN exmosis mrlockyer karimderrick Spencerayres Jon_Torbitt SportyMuslimah mattbritland sharland digitalmaverick urban_teacher normal_for_jp oldandrewuk josepicardo mchirps TomEducate largerama
interest #ukedchat #ukedchat Kodu & pen.io are accesible examples that offer a window into world of coding. It can be student focused. http://t.co/H6AECm8V . @josepicardo Why would you code something if it didn't do something? ;)#ukedchat #zencoding RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... As soon as we start setting out criteria for 'good' programming we'll be right back where we started #ukedchat @urban_teacher But arguably, they do not actually learn anything of any substance in ICT lessons that are required in a job. #ukedchat @mcolliver @drtomcrick Nothing much - but it the exams etc are focused on flowcharts and pseudocode, not neural networks or AI #ukedchat @PPotter jealous! Would be fabtastic if could introduce here too. #ukedchat How to write a simple program in Kodu (Video): http://t.co/1FRyNZ7p #ukedchat Give students a leg up then let them be independent and learn @ElKel99 other teachers should be using IT for sure but not have to be pushing it's usage #ukedchat @familysimpson How/Why did your school come to rename ICT as Computing? #ukedchat The only way we can salvage ICT in schools is to ensure STAFF, STUDENTS, PARENTS are up to date with the latest technology. #ukedchat @SheliBB I am sure he will be very pleased with them. He is quite learned, for a hillbilly. #ukedchat @urban_teacher #ukedchat Even more jobs require being alive. Perhaps we should teach lessons in breathing? #ukedchat Assuming knowledge of code will result in enhanced skills is a classic teacher mistake that is condemned to repeat itself @digitalmaverick Depends on whether it fulfils the concepts you want kids to learn. #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @Spencerayres r us serious? luk at this:
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bellaale digitalmaverick oldandrewuk eslweb SwayGrantham bobharrisonset jasongorman Jon_Torbitt mberry Hyrum_Graff davidhunter mrlockyer oldandrewuk Jon_Torbitt mchirps
http://t.co/lvKSwQtL and tell me she hasnt learnt any emplyable skill #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @Hyrum_Graff do you feel it needs to be compartmentalised like that? #ukedchat @TwitTwooUK #ukedchat Who is coding not for? @Spencerayres @urban_teacher Spreadsheets, typing at a decent pace and creating presentations are basic skills needed everywhere. #ukedchat @urban_teacher #ukedchat RT: Even more jobs require turning up on time. Should lessons in punctuality appear on the timetable? - point! This event on 12th June should make a useful contribution. to this debate...reduced rates for schools http://t.co/tcLGxwxY #ukedchat "Computer science", "computer programming" and "Information & Communication Technology" all related but distinctly different #ukedchat @DrTomCrick agree - need to ensure kids pick the right subjects 4 them, not 'encourage' them to pick subjects for uni selection #ukedchat @mchirps That's how it is, but is it necessarily how it should be? I was thinking portfolios in the creative not qualif. sense. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I want the kids to know what they're studying. That way they can make an informed choice at KS4 #ukedchat @digitalmaverick so many old and emergent programming languages.which one will be useful probably impossible to tell #ukedchat @urban_teacher Surely it is almost impossible to keep up with technology? Shouldn't it be more important to ensure skillsets? #ukedchat @DrTomCrick @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat People do apply it to physics and maths. @colmmu that's what Controlled assessment should be - but it's just a tick list instead of a properly creative project #ukedchat @mberry Wouldn't it be great if we could combine
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digitalmaverick oldandrewuk digitalmaverick mattbritland PrincipledLearn jasongorman damoward AnnishaThomas urban_teacher teachesict mikematthewsCDN Carlsberg40 Jon_Torbitt paulshanks1974 TaffTykeC
the two? #ukedchat Back to the nomenclature - am a dog with a bone what'd you think of an org. that sees 'ICT' as a name to be kept 'at all costs'? #ukedchat @TwitTwooUK #ukedchat Why? RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @ElKel99 @sharland I fear some are. Very stuck in their ways. #ukedchat @kwysner If you work out the return on your investment, what do you think? I might be willing to invest. #ukedchat Think abt difference between physics, automative engineering and motor cars. Same difference. #ukedchat Mt@DrTomCrick: @digitalmaverick An important question! What is public perception of CS v IT v digital literacy? Conflation of 3? #ukedchat What status is given to ICT in a school where there is no ICT suite, just 30 unreliable netbooks,15 cheap laptops & a slow server #ukedchat Most of those dull skills in ICT, the work force use them everyday in the workplace. Whats your point? It needs to be taught! #ukedchat @sharland def one to follow up on the #ukedchat archives! RT @mattbritland: How to write a simple program in Kodu (Video): http://t.co/1FRyNZ7p #ukedchat Give students a leg up then let them be independent and learn @digitalmaverick don't think it matters what it's called as long as it's taught well...#ukedchat @digitalmaverick @familysimpson it hasn't in ours, both are separate subjects #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Ict in NZ has just had a revamp. Renamed Dig Tech and has 5 strands>Media/business/programming/info/graphics #ukedchat @SheliBB @SwayGrantham @MrAColley In FS,works a treat. Eg plan to teach using flip cam for
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story retell, comment on the blog etc #ukedchat #ukedchat has just made me burn my dinner... RT @mikematthewsCDN: #ukedchat http://t.co/H6AECm8V All formatting of text, ticker, images, colour, navigation, video on this student blog was written in html #ukedchat Teaching kids to write code liberates them from being mindless consumers. AS and A level not changed much since the spec started. It is dated and needs a revamp #ukedchat If I'm only allowed to use my tools in one particular room at a certain time then they're not much use #ukedchat NZ ministry outcomes for ICT revamp here http://t.co/Vwq0278U #ukedchat @mattharding007 @urban_teacher #ukedchat My whole point is that it is far from clear that they *do* need to be taught that. RT @PPotter: NZ ministry outcomes for ICT revamp here http://t.co/Vwq0278U #ukedchat #ukedchat fed up of using PowerPoints, I have been introduced to prezi. Kids love it and want to have a go. Check it out! @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Always thought having both the I and the C was redundant, so inst insisting on keeping the ICT name are, erm...;) @eslweb All of which can be done in other subjects and perhaps more importantly put far more into the context of the 'real world'! #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: @TwitTwooUK #ukedchat "Who is coding not for?" iNTERESTING QUESTION @digitalmaverick Fiddling while Rome burns. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick any org that keeps something at all costs needs to question why it won't compromise #ukedchat @digitalmaverick sorry - your tweet about Javascript...#ukedchat #ukedchat The term is too broad. Means Ppt to some; Photoshop to some; e-mail to some; programming to some. Split 'em up and rebrand. @digitalmaverick if Biblical Hebrew counts for the
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EBacc, why shouldn't Javascript? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Yes, but which concept? One of my year 6 boys sat and wrote html5 code during registration on a piece of paper to try at home. Pathways from primary ICT! #ukedchat RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @AnnishaThomas that status = "ideal for cost reduction programme" #ukedchat RT @DKeano1985: #ukedchat fed up of using PowerPoints, I have been introduced to prezi. Kids love it and want to have a go. Check it out! @ElKel99 @mattbritland fully agree - but it's who you are relying on to be the primary drivers of digital literacy in a school #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Depends what you mean by 'coding' and at what level. Not everyone will want to pursue. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick ICT feels less important than IC generally. Learn how to be informed, and how to communicate. Tech later. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @oldandrewuk @TwitTwooUK I think it can be for everyone. It just depends on how it's delivered. #ukedchat #ukedchat ahhh late to the party again. Right whats been happening!? Coding its not required in the work place! its those basic spreadsheet, word, powerpoint skills that are needed....#ukedchat #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... @nickotkdIV @MrAColley @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I was talking about *all* worthwhile subjects. Teach kids subjects in their own right. @digitalmaverick @oldandrewuk @twittwoouk coding is not for - DESIGNING - that's the design process, coding is tool for production #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Sigh - maybe you're best ignoring my plea to expand... #ukedchat Its not up to English to teach Word and Maths to teach Excel >> they've enough to do #ukedchat
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urban_teacher SwayGrantham DrTomCrick exmosis familysimpson josepicardo nohandsup web20education mattbritland oldandrewuk HillsidePS colmmu Kezmerrelda mrstucke afmissgillespie Carlsberg40
RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... @AnnishaThomas ICT suites are old hat,I'd be happy to exchange mine for netbooks at least it is more representative of real life.. #ukedchat @46Bit I think it's vital that GCSE/A-Level students are aware of both the possibilities *and* limitations of computing... [1/2] #ukedchat RT @gingerburn: #ukedchat Teaching kids to write code liberates them from being mindless consumers. I found this year very informative teaching upper primary as well as secondary. Amazing how much we underestimate their skills #ukedchat @gingerburn how exactly? #ukedchat How is 'ICT' taught in Finland.....lets just do it like that and all will be well....... #ukedchat #coursera #startup #elearning platform offer free high quality courses from top universities http://t.co/JE0XrPR6 #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... @digitalmaverick #ukedchat I will expand if you tell me which point to expand on. There's no limit and should be no limits placed on what they can do and try. Why limit them when they can learn so much so easily #ukedchat Some good insight and thought provoking stuff here about #digitalstudies http://t.co/7QebSlng #ukedchat #ukedchat 5- 6 yr olds inspired to blog, collaborate, share, animate, film, explore, play, create through ict why not this at ks3? @digitalmaverick that they need 2 focus on what our learners will experience and learn and stop worrying about what it's called #ukedchat @HillsidePS That sounds amazing, was that based on what they had learnt at school or self taught? #ukedchat RT @nohandsup: How is 'ICT' taught in Finland.....lets just do it like that and all will be well....... #ukedchat
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Jon_Torbitt SheliBB eslweb urban_teacher Hyrum_Graff DrTomCrick stevejodwin TwitTwooUK digitalmaverick exmosis teachesict IaninSheffield MichaelaPorter2 Jon_Torbitt
@HillsidePS sadly in most schools that boy is stuck as their browser doesnt support HTML5 and the teachers don't know it #ukedchat @paulshanks1974 @kezmerrelda @normal_for_jp I think there are lots of primary teachers using ICT creatively and adventurously #ukedchat ICT CAN be taught across the curriculum, but how many non-specialists even have the knowledge of my year 7s? #ukedchat @mikallaane Spreadsheets, typing at a decent pace and creating presentations are basic skills needed everywhere. #ukedchat @PPotter Agree. But it is up to English to use Word and Maths to use Excel. At the moment in my school they're too afraid #ukedchat @46Bit [2/2]...not necessarily intimate with computational complexity theory, but aware that there are intractable problems! #ukedchat @jamesdhobsonuk Agree,coding is just 1 small part.For me it is a means to an end #ukedchat not interested in why or how but what it can do We need to separate coding from maths, i.e. coding from computer science, otherwise you lose a lot of talented students #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Aha - gotcha but do U feel ICT *IS* a sperate subject now, or so ubiquitous as 2 B like the contents of a pencil case #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @oldandrewuk @twittwoouk Very. Depends what you mean by "coding", I suspect. #ukedchat sign up #rethinkingICT organised by @chrisleach78 to see how ICT can be 'salvaged' http://t.co/yVc97ZMG #ukedchat Strands of the NZ "Digital Technologies" curric. http://t.co/csp71mnL #ukedchat - wonder if @NZWaikato or @teachernz have anything to offer? @DrTomCrick in my experience I see children who are unispired by ict on one hand but who rely on it on the other #ukedchat @urban_teacher what about VBA then? I have seen it used repeatedly by non-coders in businesses, all self taught #ukedchat
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normal_for_jp sharland SheliBB familysimpson oldandrewuk eslweb HillsidePS mikematthewsCDN digitalmaverick oldandrewuk PPTA_PIU OlympicICT Stephen_Logan Hyrum_Graff ashmrkenyon
RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... @SwayGrantham @AnnishaThomas or tablets - I could probably deliver entire terms worth of work on them #ukedchat @paulshanks1974 @kezmerrelda @normal_for_jp the livewriting session today by @mbrayford and @Cherise_Duxbury is a prime example #ukedchat @urban_teacher #ukedchat not true! To be a programmer you have to be comfortable with the computer system therefore high ICT skills RT @nohandsup: How is 'ICT' taught in Finland.....lets just do it like that and all will be well....... #ukedchat @mattharding007 @normal_for_jp Spot on! #ukedchat And teach us so much! He's overtaken me in his knowledge of HTML, JavaScript and php! #ukedchat #ukedchat Just in case you missed it http://t.co/H6AECm8V was written by a 12 year old who is very dyslexic...inspirational! @oldandrewuk I can't see your original Tweet, so I guess that moment'll have to have passed :( #ukedchat RT @PPotter: Its not up to English to teach Word and Maths to teach Excel >> they've enough to do #ukedchat RT @PPotter: NZ ministry outcomes for ICT revamp here http://t.co/qcTAGNkv #ukedchat #ukedchat Surely it's easy- there must be so many ICT enthusiasts in secondary schools, give them time to develop their curric with pupils. business view @HullEsteemLEPon a base level, practical application of literacy and numeracy. Emails, spreadsheets, presentations. #ukedchat RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... #ukedchat @Kezmerrelda yes, we've had former y6's come back and say their 2ndary ict is dull & uninspiring...
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sharland Spenceict davidhunter mrlockyer Spencerayres josepicardo mberry digitalmaverick paulshanks1974 Stephen_Logan clairegowland AndrewManson1 eslweb missnoor28
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RT @colmmu: Some good insight and thought provoking stuff here about #digitalstudies http://t.co/7QebSlng #ukedchat @eslweb biggest barrier I've found is teacher's own personal use of ICT being limited. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think part of the problem is we have no idea what technology will be driving the world,let alone what jobs #ukedchat @digitalmaverick almost universal love from students! #ukedchat @PPotter Perhaps not teach them, but by using them in lessons, kids will surely learn them for themselves #ukedchat #ukedchat learning to code should be a part of ICT in schools - no question - but it should not be the driver, in my view. @eslweb knowledge? or skills? or confidence? FWIW, many of the new generation of teachers have all three. #ukedchat And what do you all think (apart from coding) is NOT currently taught in ICT which SHOULD be taught? #ukedchat RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat ICT works best when skills are taught discretely but applied though all subjects. Like literacy, numeracy etc... Business view in #ICT @HullEsteemLEP:Specific skills- databases, web design and social media! Future proof skill. #ukedchat #ukedchat we are completing redoing KS3 - ICT is getting sucked into tech and maths. Im quite excited. @digitalmaverick if taught in an informed way ICT can reflect the interdisciplinary nature of real systems design #ukedchat @Spenceict That's about the size of it. #ukedchat RT @MoodleMcKean: TEDEd new website is live! Check out the site and flip a video! http://t.co/MEQOBV43 #TMBolton #edtech #ukedchat #edchat RT @mberry: @digitalmaverick if Biblical Hebrew counts for the EBacc, why shouldn't Javascript? #ukedchat @urban_teacher I'm teaching my workmates Regular
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Expressions. Office falls flat for a lot of stuff. #ukedchat @eslweb I go to church - wouldn't tell RE teacher I can do their job. I can manage with French on hol wouldn't try to teach MFL. #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt VBA a bespoke program thats aims 2 do a specific task! Office generic program that is heavily required in a workplace #ukedchat Wish I had more time to join in tonights #ukedchat ICT can be amazing... as long as the person teaching it makes it so! #loveict #ukedchat Whatever we call it....how are we going to ensure this and next generation of teachers have the appropriate skills to teach "it"? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat 3D controls. Like Sketchup. The Z axis stuff. @clairegowland are you losing it as a discrete subject though? #ukedchat .@digitalmaverick Part of ICT? Let's not forget the C in ICT? #ukedchat My thoughts! - Is teaching computing an intimidating prospect for an ICT teacher?: http://t.co/4yTCBYgr #ukedchat @mrlockyer @urban_teacher #ukedchat Attempts to teach generic skills usually result in teaching very little. RT @mikematthewsCDN: #ukedchat Just in case you missed it http://t.co/H6AECm8V was written by a 12 year old who is very dyslexic...inspirational! Join in with a little #DLchat after #ukedchat tonight to see how digital leaders can motivate staff and inspire ICT developments in school @mwclarkson @urban_teacher true, we should be teaching them how to teach themselves and solves problems, not quote syntax! #ukedchat RT @Pixelh8: @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Creativity. @sharland #ukedchat yes we are. we are working with the departments to come up with a new curric @mberry All three. Confidence the most important IMO as the others can be gained through being confident to try/use technology #ukedchat
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familysimpson TwitTwooUK digitalmaverick eslweb TwitTwooUK Jon_Torbitt mberry MrAColley teachesict Beautifulanger PatParslow SheliBB dukkhaboy mattharding007 TyncanLtd clairegowland
@digitalmaverick confusion with subject choice contributed to low uptake but also in line with Comp Sci CfE outcomes we now teach #ukedchat Everyone should learn how to do basic coding otherwise students will not know if they like it but after KS3 it should be optional #ukedchat @clairegowland Woah - how's that going to work (ICT in Tech & Maths)? #ukedchat @mberry I hope so. Because what I don't see many teachers with even the basics. #ukedchat Digital literacy / media skills should be mandatory for KS3/4. It is a form of expression, as important as English #ukedchat @OlympicICT: #ukedchat Surely it's easy- there must be so many ICT enthusiasts, give them time to develop curric with pupils. what time? @digitalmaverick actually, many schools /are/ teaching coding. How Google works. How the Internet works. How email works. etc. #ukedchat @josepicardo Check out the #digitalstudies curriculum. Coding underpins engaging projects. http://t.co/3dlOXpfm #ukedchat @chrisleach78 we know that you are here in spirit #rethinkingICT #ukedchat #ukedchat I do think that more programming and system knowledge is needed in the English curriculum. @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Judging by incoming students views on ICT, all it teaches is word/excel/powerpoint. So almost everything else! @AnnishaThomas I see that in so many schools. Can you employ digital leaders to support learning and motivate others? #DLchat #ukedchat @Mike_Bostock #ukedchat value of education provided impossible to measure and certainly not by exam results @oldandrewuk @mrlockyer @urban_teacher Have you evidence for that sweeping statement? #ukedchat @mattbritland most certainly yes different skill set IMHO #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat we are not quite sure
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largerama urban_teacher exmosis Hyrum_Graff sharland MrAColley mchirps islayian Spencerayres teachesict andypiper chrisleach78 RethinkingICT12 oldandrewuk SwayGrantham
yet. Still working on it. We will teach the lessons on rotation I think. wot is NOT taught mostly:proper application & context based IT that focuses on a solid reason for doin something & product creatd #ukedchat Listen! the way we teach Microsoft Office needs to massively improve...I can defiantly agree with that. #ukedchat #ukedchat Talk of specific tech still misses the (large) point about encouraging exploration imho. What do *you* want to code? *YOU* @digitalmaverick Basic OS hacking. How to resolve issues when your computer just won't play ball. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @mrlockyer @urban_teacher some of the 'generic skills' are actually base skills still req by all pupils #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @mberry Because Gove didn't study it? ;) #ukedchat @digitalmaverick @mberry And coding is int the Nat Curric it's just obscurely under 'sequencing instructions' so shld be taught #ukedchat RT @josepicardo: .@digitalmaverick Part of ICT? Let's not forget the C in ICT? #ukedchat... Communication is vital @TwitTwooUK I do agree, but we could say the same for so many other subjects and topics #ukedchat @sharland - I don't block any of them! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick are fundamentals taught - parts of a computing device (CPU/mem/storage/net), how the 'net works? #ukedchat #ukedchat check out #RethinkingICT conference ---> http://t.co/Yri92Ceq #ukedchat check out #RethinkingICT conference ---> http://t.co/rny201HU @mattharding007 @mrlockyer @urban_teacher #ukedchat Yes, is the short answer. I did a whole series of blogposts about it. @urban_teacher How can we ensure parents have the basic skills? I don't think all of mine can even read/write! #ukedchat
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mberry clairegowland eslweb digitalmaverick urban_teacher computing_teach sharland josepicardo largerama Spenceict Jon_Torbitt teachesict
@Jon_Torbitt @digitalmaverick so is ICT more aligned to Digital Studies proposals? Or is it simply package skills? #ukedchat #ukedchat Learning to code without an idea is like learning piano scales without any music. What do you want to play? @sharland @josepicardo @digitalmaverick #ukedchat This is really important in my opinion. RT @computing_teach: @urban_teacher @mikallaane Show me a job ad that states "PowerPoint". Nearly every job you have to present #ukedchat @hlmrmo Yes. Is this the nub of 'digital natives' 'myth'? A generation that's grown up with tech have the confidence to explore #ukedchat #ukedchat we need to remember to differentiate between ICT and IT!! The C makes the difference, @computing_teach That's very sweet. #ukedchat So many ppl're developing their own new ICT-type courses due to frustration w/ old 1s due to frustration, wish all worked together #ukedchat RT @SwayGrantham: @urban_teacher How can we ensure parents have the basic skills? I don't think all of mine can even read/write! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @mrlockyer @urban_teacher Teach the underlying principles that underpin it all - teach CS. #CSin2012 #ukedchat @teachesict twitter is our defacto social network in our school #ukedchat .@MrAColley I don't disagree - let's just not focus solely on coding, that's all. It WILL put pupils off #ukedchat ICT teachers need to stop focussing on teaching IT skills and focus on everything else around the work being done.Teach dont train #ukedchat @sharland esp when you look at how Google+ is so embedded to Google. Social Networks - the new search? the new email? #ukedchat @exmosis I want to code something AWESOME I want to remake Star Wars Tie Fighter! #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: @josepicardo Check out the #digitalstudies curriculum. Coding underpins
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TwitTwooUK mchirps SheliBB oldandrewuk DrTomCrick mberry TyncanLtd Beautifulanger PrincipledLearn familysimpson digitalmaverick TwitTwooUK urban_teacher eylanezekiel MrAColley
engaging projects. http://t.co/3dlOXpfm #ukedchat More emphasis should be put on design skills than the hardcore coding aspects, make apps easily then they can see the point #ukedchat @mberry @digitalmaverick #ukedchat Although that will all soon become academic anyway when we lose the NC PoS.. @largerama I have a new job in our cluster to try and overcome that #ukedchat @sharland @mrlockyer @urban_teacher #ukedchat Much better understood as "core knowledge" than "base skills". I would like to see the utility of A-Level CS recognised across the STEM domain, even desirable for other sci subjects at HE #ukedchat @mwclarkson @mchirps @digitalmaverick I really don't know why they didn't just call programming programming. #scarylongword #ukedchat. #ukedchat #appsforgood are running free courses for for teachers registration ends 31st April http://t.co/vfeT1NvY @AppsforGoodCDI RT @misterel: #ukedchat the subject is usually as good as the teacher who is teaching makes it... @kwysner Teachers, can you answer Keith's question 'What do other schools spend per head of pupil?' (on promotional materials) #ukedchat @urban_teacher only 70%?! that seems really low #ukedchat 1 issue I have is teaching searching when every day the likes of Google change how the likes of Boolean searching works #ukedchat Too much emphasis is put into computing theory which has its uses but only for particular projects, leave that for degrees #ukedchat @SwayGrantham This is the problem parents need to move with the times too! This is how cyber bullying, underage watching porn, etc #ukedchat To answer Drew's original question, I vote #ictcannotbesalvaged #ukedchat @josepicardo Absolutely. It's part of a wider portfolio of work and is used when appropriate. As it all should be. #ukedchat
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mattbritland mberry teachesict hlmrmo josepicardo Jon_Torbitt sharland eslweb Pixelh8 islayian Jewllama sharland josepicardo exmosis mikallaane mchirps digitalmaverick AnnishaThomas digitalmaverick
@Hyrum_Graff: @mattbritland Yes. It's like asking a Maths teacher to start teaching French. #ukedchat @mchirps @digitalmaverick Sorted. Not. #ukedchat should we have lessons for parents to support their kids or lessons for kids to support their parents? #ukedchat @mberry I think so - I asked our Year 5s to find something on Muvizu that I hadn't shown them and most of them soon did #ukedchat .@mwclarkson I agree. You gotta love false dichotomies! ;-) #ukedchat @familysimpson @digitalmaverick ICT is part of #digitalstudies but just a small part #ukedchat @eylanezekiel fully agree - ICT has had it's day in the sub and it's now time for an upgrade #ukedchat @digitalmaverick They haven't changed very much over the years. Use this http://t.co/nVS3wMSR #ukedchat #ukedchat I learnt fu@k all at school through ICT but made a career out of computing, the things that were missing was creativity & context. @jasongorman #ukedchat I think any confusion will go when Using Word stops being taught and Programming begins No matter what the title RT @Pixelh8: #ukedchat I learnt fu@k all at school through ICT but made a career out of computing, the things that were missing was creativity & context. erk - I meant 'ICT has had it's day in the sun' although sub is a useful visual metaphor #ukedchat #ukedchat Just to be clear: It's not knowledge vs skills, it's both you silly! @Jon_Torbitt document.writeln('<-o->'); #ukedchat ;-) agree with you @computing_teach I don't understand Mr Cool arguement Examples please #ukedchat @digitalmaverick That's the challenge isn't it teaching kids how to adapt with the software. #ukedchat @urban_teacher You mean we should NOT be teaching M$ Office #ukedchat @mattharding007 Which VLE do you use? Fronter? #ukedchat RT @exmosis: #ukedchat Talk of specific tech still
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DaisyAsana familysimpson alexrcoley mchirps familysimpson
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MrAColley familysimpson
misses the (large) point about encouraging exploration imho. What do *you* want to code? *YOU* @mattharding007 @mrlockyer @urban_teacher #ukedchat I wouldn't have referred you to them if there wasn't. @Pixelh8 So how / why did you get started? #ukedchat @Jewllama @exmosis: @Jon_Torbitt document.writeln('<-o->'); #ukedchat ;-) Now that's what I'm talking about time to go 3D! #ukedchat Two parenting related ed stories on the #BBCnews website in one day! Lack of parental responsibility is theme in both #parents #ukedchat ICT is the corpse of the anti-educational system Labour left behind. It's a mish-mash and it's crap. #ukedchat RT @josepicardo: @digitalmaverick Part of ICT? Let's not forget the C in ICT? #ukedchat...Communication is vital <And T for transferability I never knew that everybody hated ICT until today or that it is just comprised of Office and copying+pasting #ukedchat @digitalmaverick absolutely. I think exposure to a number of languages (including operating system scripts) would be beneficial #ukedchat RT @exmosis: #ukedchat Learning to code without an idea is like learning piano scales without any music. What do you want to play? @mberry Something to do with its original links with control?? #nevermind #ukedchat RT @mattbritland: How to write a simple program in Kodu (Video): http://t.co/1FRyNZ7p #ukedchat Give students a leg up then let them be independent and learn @Pixelh8 That's why its reputation is in the gutter in some places. Any good ICT tchr went above & beyond the POS a long time ago #ukedchat RT @eslweb: ICT CAN be taught across the curriculum, but how many non-specialists even have the knowledge of my year 7s? #ukedchat
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clairegowland eslweb Jon_Torbitt exmosis mcolliver urban_teacher sharland DrTomCrick DaisyAsana mchirps digitalmaverick DrTomCrick exmosis sharland mattbritland Jon_Torbitt
#ukedchat we need to be careful though. Programming is not accessible for all and we dont want to scare kids off! @DaisyAsana Don't worry in my school. It's one of the most popular subjects. My biggest concern is fitting them in. #ukedchat @BringBackCS: ICT is the corpse of the antieducational system Labour left behind. It's a mishmash and it's crap. #ukedchat strong words! #ukedchat Isn't there a continuum of "coding" though? Putting a macro together is kind of coding. Or anything that can be re-run. @Pixelh8 shame about that - I remember hacking/creating around with computers etc ( as there was no MS Office to be taught ) #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I mean WE should be teaching M$ Office, but with a entrepreneur twist #ukedchat RT @clairegowland: #ukedchat we need to be careful though. Programming is not accessible for all and we dont want to scare kids off! A key aspect missing from existing "technology education" at school is that is does not enthuse or excite. This is a travesty! #ukedchat Everytime i write something for #ukedchat it gets retweeted by really 'high up' people and I feel like they are just laughing at me! #naive @largerama And yet this is exactly what the KS4 PoS says, so where does it go wrong? #ukedchat @Hyrum_Graff But is that REALLY something that should be taught in schools? If so at what level? #ukedchat I think it should be the most engaging and exciting subject area at school! #ukedchat #ukedchat What's the difference between coding as a geek thing, and getting tech to do any repetitive task for you? @urban_teacher @digitalmaverick not true necessarily - I've banned PPT from a presentation unit pupils are doing in class #ukedchat @BringBackCS #ukedchat That harsh...the tories are doing far more damage. @misterel @oldandrewuk It is if done correctly - how
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BarnesRick TyncanLtd MrAColley familysimpson teachesict
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clairegowland mattharding007 Jon_Torbitt Spencerayres mattbritland teachesict digitalmaverick mrlockyer ianaddison
about modelling space travel - physics, computing, maths all in one! #ukedchat @MrAColley @Pixelh8 #ukedchat Because everyone still thinks we teach only the POS @digitalmaverick @urban_teacher we should teach word processing and thereby enable the student to use MS Word, Google . Writer....#ukedchat @clairegowland Neither is Shakespeare. A skillful teacher can break it down and help pupils to build it up again. #ukedchat @eslweb a big problem! School has to ensure support is there for CPD between staff. #ukedchat 50+ attending #rethinkingICT on June 25th - spend a whole day extending tonight's topic with like minded people #ukedchat RT @damoward: RT @josepicardo: @digitalmaverick Part of ICT? Let's not forget the C in ICT? #ukedchat...Communication is vital <And T for transferability @MrAColley #ukedchat of course, but that wont make everyone enjoy shakespeare and feel like its worth while for them @DaisyAsana Ha ha! It does sound like that. Think what skills ADULTS mainly use - searching internet, writing letters/emails/blogs #ukedchat @DrTomCrick: I think it should be the most engaging and exciting subject area at school! #ukedchat me too! Regardless of ICT continuing as a subject,we NEED to get rid of teaching MS office and get online to create, communicate and learn #ukedchat @teachesict #ukedchat How many tickets are left? @sharland PPT is an option for pupils as long as they can JUSTIFY it over alternatives such as Prezi #ukedchat RT @teachesict: 50+ attending #rethinkingICT on June 25th - spend a whole day extending tonight's topic with like minded people #ukedchat @jasongorman Are you developing your own curriculum, Jason? #ukedchat RT @teachesict: 50+ attending #rethinkingICT on June 25th - spend a whole day extending tonight's
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urban_teacher misterel Jon_Torbitt sandra5036 AnnishaThomas DKeano1985
topic with like minded people #ukedchat @sharland @digitalmaverick Yeah dont get me wrong! we cant solely rely on PPT but it will be needed in the outside world #ukedchat RT @DrTomCrick: I think it should be the most engaging and exciting subject area at school! #ukedchat @BarnesRick @mracolley @pixelh8 sadly only teaching the POS might be more common than most of us think - anyone admit to it? #ukedchat @DrTomCrick: I think it should be the most engaging and exciting subject area at school! #ukedchat I agree wholeheartedly Very inspired by ICT discussion tonight #ukedchat @familysimpson we have just started a golden lesson observation programme that shares ideas every other week. #ukedchat
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TwitTwooUK
Computer Science Unplugged | Computer Science... without a Computer! Free activities for classroom or home - http://t.co/q8JhLBVT #ukedchat
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FrancesAndrew dmandrews15 wendyJR misterel
#ukedchat look at the model of other subjects. Could we teach usage of social networks & office skills as PSHE and separate "computing" out? RT @teachesict: 50+ attending #rethinkingICT on June 25th - spend a whole day extending tonight's topic with like minded people #ukedchat Trying to watch @BigBang_CBS and #ukedchat, not easy @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk @jon_torbitt the teachers or the pupils #ukedchat
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eslweb MrAColley sharland Hyrum_Graff hlmrmo largerama Pixelh8 MrGazz_ICT colmmu Spencerayres Jon_Torbitt jasongorman digitalmaverick mattbritland sharland mchirps
@teachesict @sharland You're brave... Students make me seasick when they use Prezi... But software justification is good. #ukedchat @clairegowland Maybe not, but it won't stop me trying. Programming isn't the silver bullet, but it's an important component. #ukedchat @urban_teacher @digitalmaverick limits of tweet PPT is banned for the duration of a single unit - get them to think outside box #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Given that all students will one day own a comp, knowing how not to get ripped off by PC World techs is esential. #ukedchat @teachesict @ It should be about selecting the most suitable program available #ukedchat Never hav followed the POS, cos I know wot I do is right for my learners and my school and the subject #ukedchat I don't teach ICT/IT or whatever, I teach kids how to make stuff with technology, which just happens to be computers. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat True, but the Web Sleuthing skills still remain the same. Something I started to develop with @dwsm Not reviewed properly, but may be of interest to discussion http://t.co/g2S3WCW3 #ukedchat @DrTomCrick You are quite right, but it just isn't (coming from ex-ICT teacher now Media) #ukedchat @Spencerayres try telling that to SMT who see it MS Office 'free' as it's included in their profile ANd used in most business too #ukedchat .@mrlockyer I teach grown-ups. Whole different pair of sleeves :) #ukedchat Under 10mins to go of #ukedchat - what are other countries doing well in their Edu use of ICT that we could learn from? #ukedchat @sandra5036 @DrTomCrick #ukedchat I would like to think it is at my school. I am biased though. @eslweb @teachesict other stuff like #projqt or #sliderocket as well #ukedchat @largerama so those schools who have been ignoring a statutory right for ages (see Ofsted) now have an excuse? #ukedchat
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digitalmaverick mberry familysimpson mikallaane MrAColley largerama teachesict Jon_Torbitt hlmrmo clairegowland MrGazz_ICT teachesict digitalmaverick Pixelh8 Kezmerrelda
@hlmrmo agreed - I actively encourage pupils to choose from a range as long as they justify choice #ukedchat RT @FrancesAndrew: #ukedchat look at the model of other subjects. Could we teach usage of social networks & office skills as PSHE and separate "computing" out? @Pixelh8 Cool. Sounds a bit like 'ICT', not so much computer science ;-) @Jewllama #ukedchat Controversial but I entirely disagree with package skills. Need transferrable skills not that they are Word2010 experts by 2016 #ukedchat pls be more specific which jobs? name a few blue collar @urban_teacher #ukedchat @largerama We tried it out of a vague sense of duty. Didn't last a year! #ukedchat @mchirps yep they do. And no OFSTED inspection has pulled me up on it in a ny place i have worked #ukedchat RT @sharland: @eslweb @teachesict other stuff like #projqt or #sliderocket as well #ukedchat <can all be found at #digitalstudies wiki @misterel @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk seems like both staff and students if general opinion here to be believed #ukedchat > @teachesict: @hlmrmo agreed - I actively encourage pupils to choose from a range as long as they justify choice #ukedchat @MrAColley #ukedchat it wont stop me either, but we shouldn't forget that learning how to type a letter will be just as useful for some. @urban_teacher @digitalmaverick You can have them back when I've finished. Office skills Yes as a small part, but why MS? #ukedchat @eslweb important that we don't tell pupils what is best and let them work it out #ukedchat @urban_teacher But even M$ Dir of Education says he doesn't want schools teaching how to use Office! #ukedchat #ukedchat I once heard a teacher say they "have to make the children Microsoft ready". :( #cosmicfail @ashmrkenyon that's what my year 7 son says
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Kezmerrelda mrlockyer davidhunter mchirps ruthyie digitalmaverick urban_teacher exmosis clairegowland familysimpson misterel ukedchat BringBackCS sharland mberry
#ukedchat he wants to access the primary stuff again! #ukedchat ict needs to be integral to all subjects, just as it's part of everyday life, not stand alone - some teachers can't or won't @jasongorman So you teach what they need? Exactly what we want! #ukedchat @digitalmaverick I imagine you've got to look at s Korea as an example of gov placing tech at heart of development strategy #ukedchat @largerama So how do you ensure an entitlement for the kids who are not in a school with an enthusiast like you? #ukedchat Or Sci, searches + citing refs. RT @PPotter Its not up to English to teach Word and Maths to teach Excel >> they've enough to do #ukedchat Actually I don't teach PPT - I teach about @presentationzen and how to avoid death by Powerpoint #ukedchat In Asia the students live and breath ICT! They see it as a opportunity to become the next top developer & a way 2 earn good money. #ukedchat @eslweb @teachesict @sharland @urban_teacher Is avoiding "Death by Powerpoint" an ICT thing? Or just C? #ukedchat #ukedchat Whatever we do it needs to be relevant for the student. One size, will not fit all. @computing_teach @urban_teacher @mikallaane easy. ICT teacher. #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk its not general opinion, twitter represents at best 5-10% of all ICT teachers. #ukedchat Last 5 minutes of #ukedchat. Final thoughts? @mattbritland Compare standards post Labour to pre-Labour. Shameful. Current lot starting to disappoint tho #ukedchat @davidhunter @digitalmaverick but we have a radically different situation with DfE washing their hands of ICT #ukedchat @familysimpson Hardly controversial. Common sense. Understanding transfers more smoothly than skills. Seen one, seen 'em all. #ukedchat
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20:55:26 20:55:39 20:55:43 20:55:50 20:55:51 20:55:51 20:55:52 20:55:56 20:55:57 20:56:01 20:56:05 20:56:11 20:56:22 20:56:37 20:56:41 20:56:41
afmissgillespie TyncanLtd mattharding007 Jon_Torbitt digitalmaverick exmosis MrAColley Spencerayres digitalmaverick FrancesAndrew largerama clairegowland eslweb mikallaane misterel davidhunter
@DrTomCrick I think it is, a macbook box need only be in the corner and my class of 8-9 yr olds fall silent on anticipation !#ukedchat @largerama @mchirps only because they don't have a clue #ukedchat @digitalmaverick "Finland, Finland, Finland - the country where I most want to be. Pony trekking or camping, or just watching TV" #ukedchat @misterel @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk i understand statistical validity - many teachers refuse to engage even with Twitter! #ukedchat @clairegowland But is it how to write a letter in the 1st place or how to use a tool to write a letter that requires teaching? #ukedchat @FrancesAndrew Oops. I meant tech as in technology, not tech person ;) Concept of coding can be applied even without code. #ukedchat RT @digitalmaverick: Actually I don't teach PPT - I teach about @presentationzen and how to avoid death by Powerpoint #ukedchat >ditto @Jon_Torbitt Games Design - App development course at school was incredible for true x-curric work #ukedchat #ssaappdev @arctic_sunrise RT @ukedchat: Last 5 minutes of #ukedchat. Final thoughts? @clairegowland @MrAColley #ukedchat we teach how to write CVs but that's not part of English. Why should it be part of IT/ICT? @mchirps that comes down to proper training, recruitment & then schools making IT teachers accountable if they dont do it properly #ukedchat #ukedchat Keep pushing that ultimately IT is cool and most definitely the best subject out there. :0) @exmosis @teachesict @sharland @urban_teacher Well I was teaching my students how to use it today, to make animations. #ukedchat only for those teachers who had no passion or desire about the subject @DaisyAsana #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk many teachers,. myself included haven't even got a degree in ICT. #ukedchat @sharland @digitalmaverick in part thanks to
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austerity over growth strategies. #ukedchat
20:56:41
Hyrum_Graff
My final thoughts in a poem I wrote a few days ago Dr Seuss style. How the Grinch Stole ICT http://t.co/WapICgot Good night all #ukedchat
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familysimpson mattharding007 ecarsontc mberry familysimpson sharland Jon_Torbitt eylanezekiel urban_teacher teachesict infernaldepart
@DKeano1985 great idea but even informal "how'd you do that?" sessions without pupils are valuable #ukedchat @misterel @jon_torbitt Neither - the tweeter I was referring too. Good teachers with no enthusiasm? Hard to imagine.... #ukedchat @josepicardo #ukedchat is it not just filling a vocational need? @clairegowland disapplication means that the curriculum can be personalised. #ukedchat RT @DKeano1985: @familysimpson we have just started a golden lesson observation programme that shares ideas every other week. #ukedchat @Pixelh8 @digitalmaverick #digitalstudies has the creativity and context :-) #ukedchat @Spencerayres @arctic_sunrise introducing games development as vehicle for design and computing can be a great hook for kids #ukedchat The more I read of the ICT tchrs tweets - the more I think you should all be teaching other subjects - you are > than your subject #ukedchat The curriculum has taught us to teach PPT in a very boring and pointless way! We need to change that cycle....#ukedchat @eslweb it has a place if used well #ukedchat @teachesict @sharland I'm with you gents as always students should develop skills and apply most appropriate tool for task #ukedchat
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FrancesAndrew AndrewManson1 russellwareham mchirps clairegowland mattharding007 mrstucke TyncanLtd ukedchat familysimpson DaisyAsana eylanezekiel teachesict mattbritland DrTomCrick Jon_Torbitt
@mchirps c/c @largerama How can you ensure that for any subject? #ukedchat #ukedchat need to separate functional skills (using software) from ICT skills (designing & building systems) #ukedchat #ukedchat Gutted to have come in late, massive fan of open source, dev programming and how computers are made, much more than just PPT @largerama And curriculum? #ukedchat @digitalmaverick #ukedchat good point. letter skills in english, format in ICT. Theres some cross curricular! @misterel @Jon_Torbitt @oldandrewuk Shame on you. P45 on its way. #ukedchat @largerama: Never hav followed the POS, cos I know wot I do is right for my learners and my school and the subject #ukedchat nailed it IT / ICT both have a role to play in the learning process we need to find the right mix and utilise best for students #ukedchat :) 2 minutes left. Next week's #ukedchat poll is live at http://t.co/7WAMdpHi & join @nightzookeeper at the same time next week. @mberry then someone seriously needs to have a word with some of the teachers from my previous school!! #ukedchat @eslweb yes, my class also love ict. I don't see why any class wouldn't (as long as you're doing something engaging.) #ukedchat BTW - I wonder what the gender breakdown is on #ukedchat tonight- a lot of men teaching ICT. Could this also be a problem? #ukedchat we should never tell pupils which tool to use - we should give them a choice #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Spencerayres @arctic_sunrise #ukedchat Yep...my students are loving #kodu A primary focus for @CompAtSch over the next six months is teacher CPD to support the teaching of CS--ideas/requests? #ukedchat @misterel @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk according to @GuardianEdu i was 1 of 3 PGCEs qualified in 2010 already holding a CS degree
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#ukedchat
20:58:26
MrAColley
RT @Hyrum_Graff: My final thoughts in a poem I wrote a few days ago http://t.co/dBd6jF2G #ukedchat >Give this tweep a medal!
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eslweb clairegowland mikallaane misterel infernaldepart digitalmaverick krivett1 eslweb SwayGrantham FrancesAndrew digitalmaverick eylanezekiel
Let's all teach PowerPoint tomorrow. Let's make an animation http://t.co/nzuwXCZE #ukedchat ;) @FrancesAndrew @mrAColley #ukedchat someone needs to teach them. my yr5 kids are willing to giv up every lunch to teach other pupils how to animate :-) #ukedchat #ICT @mattharding007 @jon_torbitt @oldandrewuk expected it years agoonly on twitter to nick resourcesmakes me look good :) #ukedchat @misterel @jon_torbitt @mattharding007 @oldandrewuk me included but hasn't held either of us back. Self taught and enthusiastic ;) #ukedchat So as #ukedchat draws to a close tonight I'd like to thank everyone for contributing so frenetically to the discussion RT @mcolliver: Why children need to code... Have you ever read Papert's work?? #ukedchat @DaisyAsana That's the key point... Who wants to be doing relational databases when they could be making trump cards? #ukedchat WANTED: Lit obs lesson ideas for yr4 class, could be anything! Anyone had something worked well in past? Pls RT. #ukedchat @exmosis definitely, that's where the "robotics" basics helped out early on in education. #ukedchat I'm away to put some plasters on the end of all of my fingers #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Thank you Drew!! Great topic and
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teachesict
20:59:36 20:59:37 20:59:41 20:59:43 20:59:53 20:59:57 20:59:57 21:00:01
mattharding007 Jon_Torbitt ecarsontc islayian ecarsontc mchirps sharland exmosis
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DigitalLeaderUK
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ukedchat
well managed discussion #ukedchat RT @MrAColley: RT @Hyrum_Graff: My final thoughts in a poem I wrote a few days agohttp://t.co/dBd6jF2G #ukedchat >Give this tweep a medal! #ukedchat PPT is vastly under-rated. Easy to use and does the job. Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's rubbish. @teachesict: we should never tell pupils which tool to use - we should give them a choice #ukedchat true - already do it, fit tool to job @eylanezekiel #ukedchat that cld b a prob, interestingly my a-level classes r often quite girl heavy @eylanezekiel #ukedchat Same could be said of a lot of subject specialists RT @teachesict: we should never tell pupils which tool to use - we should give them a choice #ukedchat @digitalmaverick Thanks for hosting. #ukedchat @digitalmaverick drew - an awesome topic and thank you for your hard work! #ukedchat Final #ukedchat thought - both coding and ICT need ultimately to be creative processes. Without, you're stuck in the past. RT @SheliBB: Join in with a little #DLchat after #ukedchat tonight to see how digital leaders can motivate staff and inspire ICT developments in school It's 9pm & #ukedchat must come to an end. Huge thanks to @digitalmaverick for his 1st time as host. Archive will be at http://t.co/dwU0RYfI
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ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

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MrAColley Stephen_Logan eslweb digitalmaverick eylanezekiel Jon_Torbitt Stephen_Logan digitalmaverick

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

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Spencerayres mrpeel mchirps

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

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mrstucke eslweb digitalmaverick

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

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Jon_Torbitt SheliBB sharland mberry digitalmaverick nickotkdIV Beautifulanger

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misterel Julian3576 Jon_Torbitt exmosis Beautifulanger digitalmaverick AnnishaThomas sharland

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick

Can we salvage the reputation of ICT as a subject in schools?

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ukedchat Archive 26 Apr 2012 Hosted by @digitalmaverick