Archive Session 100

ukedchat Archive 31 May 2012 Hosted by @TheHeadsOffice
The New Inspection: how formative is it and how should Ofsted develop in the future?'
20:00:08 ukedchat 20:00:18 SirWilshaw 20:00:42 TheHeadsOffice 20:00:53 MrWaldram 20:01:06 mrpeel 20:01:27 pwardle0910 20:01:27 TheHeadsOffice 20:01:33 ethinking 20:01:52 TheHeadsOffice 20:02:07 KempsterD 20:02:28 MrWaldram 20:02:44 Mad_teach
20:02:45 CanonsOPP 20:02:47 lizdudley 20:02:58 KempsterD 20:03:02 nickotkdIV 20:03:21 MrEllison1983
It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat - 'New Inspection: how formative is it and how should Ofsted develop in the future? with @theheadsoffice So, was thinking about letting you know I was tweeting about #ukedchat tonight but thought I'd drop in... unannounced. #ukedchat Oftsed is not going to disappear in the near future so how can it help our practice? @oldandrewuk haha #ukedchat #ukedchat it isn't formative in the slightest, let's be honest. But that isn't really the purpose is it? RT @syded06: Solo Taxonomy Explained MentorMob http://t.co/XACPtJ2Q #soloarmy #ukedchat #flipclass #ukedchat Inspectors see best practice all the time. how can that be shared? #ukedchat I put it to you that the current process is formative - with accountability RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat it isn't formative in the slightest, let's be honest. But that isn't really the purpose is it? >Shoukld'nt it be? RT @SirWilshaw So, was thinking about letting you know I was tweeting about #ukedchat tonight but thought I'd drop in... unannounced. RT @sirwilshaw: So, was thinking about letting you know I was tweeting about #ukedchat tonight but thought I'd drop in... unannounced. #ukedchat they could start by practicing what they preach! RT @KempsterD: RT @SirWilshaw So, was thinking about letting you know I was tweeting about #ukedchat tonight but thought I'd drop in... unannounced. #ukedchat so how do we think the new criteria is going to have an impact? I'm also interested in the different notice times for FE v school RT @mrpeel #ukedchat it isn't formative in the slightest, let's be honest. But that isn't really the purpose is it? What is the point of it #ukedchat we have a SIP who does OFSTED and she shares best practise with your school. #ukedchat As a class teacher, I was judged on 32
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20:03:29 TheHeadsOffice 20:03:47 teachesict 20:03:54 MrWaldram 20:04 infernaldepart
20:04:17 nickotkdIV 20:04:19 MartindalePaul 20:04:26 mrpeel 20:04:32 DidgeH 20:04:34 oldandrewuk 20:04:40 digitaldaisies
20:04:47 syded06 20:04:59 KempsterD 20:04:59 mr_chadwick 20:05:07 lizdudley 20:05:10 MrWaldram
minutes of teaching. Only advice was that my class was loud and boisterous, quiet down. #ukedchat @lizdudley does a shorter notice period make a difference? Should it? Job Hunting Online http://t.co/FWTn67WI <fun comic strip, is this really what we do? #ukedchat One of my concerns is this three strikes and you're SM business... If we're RTI, we're not going to change overnight #ukedchat Flipping the Classroom: Teachers Turn Homework on its Head http://t.co/G3L5z7PT #ukedchat #ukedchat i believe OFSTED people should be given time to work in school to allow this Best Practice to be shared! Help!!! Anyone know where to find step-by-step email setup guide for apple configurator? #ipaded #ipadedchat #mlearning #ukedchat #ukedchat forgot hashtag wan to see more formative attitude within school. If an inspection must exist, it isnt formative #ukedchat OFSTED asked us to write our own action points... Nothing to do with the new system, but my thoughts on OFSTED from a while back: http://t.co/d0OABifK #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice That is the problem with OFSTED set up - not designed to disseminate ideas, just to judge #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: It 9pm. Huge thanks to @ICTEvangelist for hosting this fascinating #ukedchat session. Archive/summary will be at http://t.co/b4NTooXq I did train to be an Ofsted inspector but it was such a horrible thing I couldn't do it. Most inspections are subjective #ukedchat @ethinking OK, I'll bite! How is a couple of days every 3 yrs, with SATS results a limiting factor, formative? #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat haven't had a good chance to look at the changes yet, but wonder why we as FE get slightly more notice than a day! Do academies have Ofsted in the same way and do
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20:05:17 mattharding007 20:05:22 MissBex_M 20:05:28 Mad_teach 20:05:29 MissBex_M 20:05:31 mattharding007 20:05:54 rsdiscos 20:05:55 MrWaldram 20:05:55 B_Sharpie 20:05:55 mikallaane 20:06 ukedchat
20:06:01 Blenkaz 20:06:12 mrpeel 20:06:17 TheHeadsOffice 20:06:28 KempsterD 20:06:50 MichaelaPorter2 20:07:12 nickotkdIV
they get the same notification time... #ukedchat #ukedchat Ofsted should develop its people skills. RT @TheHeadsOffice: #ukedchat Oftsed is not going to disappear in the near future so how can it help our practice? #ukedchat short notice - less time to panic! And if ur doin a good job everyday, does it matter when they come??? RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat - 'New Inspection: how formative is it and how should Ofsted develop in the future? with @theheadsoffice #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a love of teachers. RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat i believe OFSTED people should be given time to work in school to allow this Best Practice to be shared! @theheadsoffice I don't think so, if you're good on a regular basis, why should it be any different when visitors come in? #ukedchat RT @digitaldaisies: @TheHeadsOffice That is the problem with OFSTED set up - not designed to disseminate ideas, just to judge #ukedchat flicking between #ukedchat and http://t.co/5divnqP4 CPD on CloudOn iPad & Android #ukedchat topic reminder: 'New Inspection: how formative is it and how should Ofsted develop in the future?' with @theheadsoffice #ukedchat recently suffered ofsted as an NQT! Can honestly say didn't see the point! Surely their is a less pressurised alternative? #ukedchat the issue is the perceived need for inspection - summative activity. Build dialogue and share good practice in school RT @Mad_teach: #ukedchat short notice - less time to panic! And if ur doin a good job everyday, does it matter when they come??? RT @digitaldaisies @TheHeadsOffice That is the problem with OFSTED set up - not designed to disseminate ideas, just to judge #ukedchat @Mad_teach agree that short notice is less stressful, if you have nothing to hide why worry #ukedchat @norfolkshine OFSTED should be more of a two way communication #ukedchat
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20:07:12 mrpeel 20:07:19 Blenkaz 20:07:25 TheHeadsOffice 20:07:36 CanonsOPP 20:07:37 mattharding007 20:07:43 lizdudley 20:07:43 MrWaldram 20:07:45 urban_teacher 20:07:48 ePaceonline 20:08:04 SirWilshaw 20:08:05 talktofile 20:08:07 Monty_Math 20:08:07 mattharding007 20:08:08 Blenkaz 20:08:08 TheHeadsOffice 20:08:22 CanonsOPP 20:08:26 nickotkdIV 20:08:26 KempsterD
#ukedchat if an OFSTED suit came to disseminate, how many would feel that they could openly disagree? #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools? RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat the issue is the perceived need for inspection - summative activity. Build dialogue and share good practice in school #ukedchat Almost zero notice inspection could (should) help us to be bolder as leaders. Endgame. #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a sense of realism. #ukedchat I guess what I'd like to see is more good practice visits. Our STEM division was visited last year to see what we did well @theheadsoffice @Mad_teach Totally agreed, that's what I said #ukedchat Ofsted should be tailored more to each individual school #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: @norfolkshine OFSTED should be more of a two way communication #ukedchat So, would you prefer no notice or too much notice? #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice inspectors observations and reports don't provide useful feedback for improvement, merely a snapshot the school #ukedchat #ukedchat does anyone think ofsted inspections lead to school improvement? #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a level of support for teachers. #ukedchat give 5 key strengths and 5 key areas for improvement! If prospective parents are bothered they can look at these... RT @Blenkaz: #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools?>Gr8! @MrWaldram @theheadsoffice Couldn't agree more. We need to be good for our student. Good things follow that. #ukedchat #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools? ...and a lot of Ofsted judgements are spurious, based
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20:08:28 ICTwitz 20:08:29 mattharding007 20:08:30 mrpeel 20:08:30 TheHeadsOffice 20:08:34 lizdudley 20:08:36 talktofile 20:08:38 andywhiteway 20:08:38 digitaldaisies 20:08:39 Blenkaz 20:08:45 TheHeadsOffice 20:08:52 syded06 20:08:54 ethinking 20:09:09 MrTomtheTeacher 20:09:11 TheHeadsOffice 20:09:32 StephenLev 20:09:34 lizdudley
on little evidence. Schls shld always challenge decisions if they are wrong #ukedchat There is still a lot of stressed placed on teachers by HT's based on OfSTED. This is unhealthy #ukedchat #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a new head honcho. #ukedchat all in perception of purpose. We feel OFSTED are trying to catch us out... are they? anyone from OFSTED in tonight? RT @CanonsOPP: #ukedchat Almost zero notice inspection could (should) help us to be bolder as leaders. Endgame.> That's short! RT @Blenkaz: #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools? @nickotkdIV old school idea of week long embedded inspections or local authority improvement partnerships... #ukedchat @Blenkaz agreed. Who has ever had meaningful feedback? I haven't from 5 inspections #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice doubt it. 'We' have little control. Inspectors I've come across v fair and knowledgeable but system's all wrong #ukedchat #ukedchat what does the grade actually show? Is it based mainly on paperwork? RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a sense of realism. >In what way? @MichaelaPorter2 Ofsted should be treated as an opportunity for improvement.However the school are judged so we jump through hoops #ukedchat #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice ofsted produce many reports summarising good practice #ukedchat A thought; could OFSTED drop in a few times a year, rather than one high pressure week? Would get better picture. #randomsampling RT @urban_teacher: Ofsted should be tailored more to each individual school #ukedchat >how would you see that working? @TheHeadsOffice @Mad_teach Good point BUT it does depend on what you judge to be a good job. #ukedchat #ukedchat just means that we should be inspection ready all the time, keep on top of paperwork & teach
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20:09:37 Blenkaz
20:09:39 MissBex_M 20:09:47 mrpeel 20:09:56 TheHeadsOffice 20:09:58 MissBex_M 20:10:05 TheHeadsOffice 20:10:11 CanonsOPP
20:10:22 MissBex_M 20:10:23 ePaceonline 20:10:25 rpwillan 20:10:25 rpwillan 20:10:40 talktofile 20:10:45 ethinking 20:10:50 GeographyCarrie 20:10:53 ethinking
like we do all the time, brilliantly @SirWilshaw #ukedchat no notice, realistic expectations RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat the issue is the perceived need for inspection - summative activity. Build dialogue and share good practice in school #ukedchat short notice prevents faking of quality... it needs to also recognise that it will see real lessons -warts and all and not judge. RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a level of support for teachers. >From Ofsted or LAs? RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat all in perception of purpose. We feel OFSTED are trying to catch us out... are they? anyone from OFSTED in tonight? RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat does anyone think ofsted inspections lead to school improvement? @TheHeadsOffice Not sure what you mean? #ukedchat RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @Blenkaz: #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools? >Gr8! #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. Actually found ofsted a pleasant experience. Was like a performance management lesson with loads of good feedback #ukedchat Actually found ofsted a pleasant experience. Was like a performance management lesson with loads of good feedback #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice @urban_teacher #ukedchat long term partnerships could build real understanding of school's strengths and weaknesses #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice @mrpeel ofsted is the checks and the process of self evaluation is formative - its only hostile if schools fear it @mrpeel Good question! #ukedchat RT @KempsterD: RT @SirWilshaw So, was thinking about letting you know I was tweeting about
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20:11:05 mrpeel 20:11:07 MrTomtheTeacher 20:11:07 MichelleDhillon 20:11:08 B_Sharpie 20:11:10 MrWaldram 20:11:18 CanonsOPP 20:11:25 KempsterD 20:11:26 TheHeadsOffice 20:11:26 MichelleDhillon 20:11:27 Mad_teach 20:11:44 mattharding007 20:11:49 SirWilshaw 20:11:57 GeographyCarrie 20:11:57 syded06 20:11:59 Blenkaz 20:11:59 TheHeadsOffice
#ukedchat tonight but thought I'd drop in... unannounced. #ukedchat which is more important to you - teach well or teach "OFSTED-well"? #ukedchat Re: short notice. Before, we had 3-4 weeks notice. Ridiculous amount of pre-planning & rehearsing went on #unrepresentative @mrpeel Agreed! I think Ofsted do judge though, and harshly #ukedchat @theheadsoffice The 'over time' emphasis supports planned lessons v 1 off, pulled out of the bag outstanding lessons #ukedchat Good thing?! @mrtomtheteacher Would that increase pressure and anxiety or decrease it? #ukedchat #ukedchat The big issue is not the short notice inspections, but the long lead in generated by the "you may be seen this year" letters. I don't believe that are schools would be any better or worse if we scrapped Ofsted altogether. #ukedchat RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Ofsted should develop a new head honcho. >Is it down to the leader then? RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat short notice prevents faking of quality... it needs to also recognise that it will see real lessons -warts and all and not judge. #ukedchat @stevenlev but the whole thing is so subjective anyway! Self assessment, 1 inspector might love it, another hate it etc etc RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. @Blenkaz Good... well, that's what we're moving towards. #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat short notice prevents faking of quality... it needs to also recognise that it will see real lessons -warts and all and not judge. Surely what is right for Ofsted isn't necessarily right for all schools? #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat general ambiance of school! Absolutely awful time, just glad it was over in the end! RT @MrTomtheTeacher: #ukedchat A thought; could
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20:11:59 MichaelaPorter2 20:12 mrpeel
20:12:02 ethinking 20:12:06 CanonsOPP 20:12:14 SirWilshaw 20:12:16 sazzled81 20:12:19 emmaannhardy
20:12:23 CanonsOPP 20:12:25 eXactlearning 20:12:50 TeachingTricks 20:12:55 ePaceonline
20:13 MissBex_M 20:13:09 TheHeadsOffice 20:13:17 MissBex_M
OFSTED drop in a few times a year, rather than one high pressure week? Would get better picture. #randomsampling @syded06 hoops set based on paperwork rather than visit... Can't win #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon #ukedchat so do I and they shouldn't but they are in essence the theatre critics it's their job. I wouldn't want it. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV that's called a school improvement advisor/ partner that exists already @ePaceonline Nice idea but SIPs weren't much use and were ditched as a good idea badly implemented. #ukedchat So what if we do a no-notice inspection and half the staff are out on residential or the SLT is not there? #ukedchat Had feedback once following observation of lessonhad to ask for it. Needs to be greater communication rather then them and us #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice @mrpeel ofsted is the checks and the process of self evaluation is formative - its only hostile if schools fear it @LT13uk: Watch in Full: David Wilson -The fall and rise of the corporate academy' #LT12uk conf sess [VIDEO] http://t.co/ymFp9IBz #ukedchat #ukedchat what about advisory inspections, ones without formal judgements but support given & constructive feedback? Could be by invitation? RT @lizdudley: #ukedchat just means that we should be inspection ready all the time, keep on top of paperwork & teach like we do all the time, brilliantly RT @MrTomtheTeacher: #ukedchat A thought; could OFSTED drop in a few times a year, rather than one high pressure week? Would get better picture. #randomsampling @CanonsOPP I'm agreeing! #ukedchat RT @SirWilshaw: So what if we do a no-notice inspection and half the staff are out on residential or
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20:13:19 TheHeadsOffice 20:13:21 DrDav 20:13:21 DidgeH 20:13:28 GeographyCarrie 20:13:37 mrpeel 20:13:39 oldandrewuk 20:13:42 Monty_Math 20:13:43 davidhunter 20:13:49 nickotkdIV 20:13:49 mattharding007 20:13:51 lizdudley 20:13:55 MrWaldram
20:14:04 KempsterD 20:14:08 ethinking 20:14:16 talktofile
the SLT is not there? #ukedchat RT @rpwillan: Actually found ofsted a pleasant experience. Was like a performance management lesson with loads of good feedback #ukedchat @nickotkdIV Would they be allowed out? With increase in academies there is no incentive to share. #ukedchat @ukedchat @theheadsoffice Anything less than outstanding is seen as a failure #ukedchat @sazzled81 I was under the impression that you could only get feedback from #ofsted if you asked for it #ukedchat Is this correct? @TeachingTricks #ukedchat how long before advisory sessions become compulsory re-education? The existence of OFSTED has created a system where the first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat #ukedchat for me the problem with ofsted is not the how, but the why - what good does grading do? #ukedchat interesting how Finnish system dumped ext inspection inn favour of increasing professionalism and teacher status.look at them now Had feedback once following observation of lessonhad to ask for it. Needs to be greater communication rather then them and us #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice I'd love it to be the LAs who inspect and support schools with no Ofsted beyond that. #ukedchat @syded06 or all disciplines, what works for Biology is very different for physics for example #ukedchat "So what if we do a no-notice inspection and half the staff are out on residential or the SLT is not there? #ukedchat" Any ideas? RT @TheHeadsOffice @KempsterD How many schools have won appeals? Anyone know? #ukedchat > Plenty of heads I know have challenged and won. #ukedchat @mrpeel they are not suits - they are people - trying to fulfil a role in ensuring standards in schools are high @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat reports tick political accountability and parental information, but my reports
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20:14:18 syded06 20:14:23 mrpeel 20:14:33 CanonsOPP 20:14:35 B_Sharpie 20:14:38 oldandrewuk 20:14:39 ethinking 20:14:47 lizdudley 20:14:50 urban_teacher 20:14:55 MichelleDhillon 20:14:59 digitaldaisies 20:15:03 Mad_teach 20:15:05 CanonsOPP 20:15:18 tmeeky 20:15:24 talktofile 20:15:25 B_Sharpie 20:15:26 davidhunter 20:15:32 TheHeadsOffice
often underwhelming @lizdudley and they continue to change the criteria #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat too true and such a shame. Learning is being driven by OFSTED friendly ideas, not by professional judgement @mrpeel @michelledhillon I use a similar analogy. Ofsted as food critics and teachers as chefs. #ukedchat @Blenkaz Isn't that what ASTs do? I agree though! #ukedchat #ukedchat OFSTED just add to the levels of bureaucracy, the activities that don't benefit kids at all. It feels like surveillance. #ukedchat @Blenkaz that's called AST programme still exists I think @syded06 yep, nothing like continuously moving the goalposts! #ukedchat Ofsted should seen as the oil that helps the engine of a school and not oil that creates unnecessary complications. #ukedchat @mrpeel All schools are completely different, so how can they all be judged on same stringent criteria? Not one size fits all #ukedchat @mattharding007 @TheHeadsOffice I'd love it to be the LAs who inspect and support schools with no Ofsted beyond that. #ukedchat>me too! #ukedchat @sirwilshaw ud c real school life! @TheHeadsOffice I like agreement. I don't often generate it. Hence confused. #ukedchat My 8 year old says Ofsted should be less intrstd in test results and more interstd teaching and children. #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat can reports summarise 3 years of school work and depth of work in 3 or 4 pages...no depth of good or bad @oldandrewuk I agree and that can take over.. #ukedchat Why not have teams of crack teachers who go around with orated demonstrating or team teaching outstanding lessons. #ukedchat @TeachingTricks #ukedchat how do you make
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20:15:34 sazzled81 20:15:35 nickotkdIV 20:15:39 ethinking 20:15:40 Blenkaz 20:15:46 lizdudley 20:15:49 thought_weavers 20:15:49 oldandrewuk 20:15:50 weemooseus 20:15:50 CanonsOPP 20:15:56 Langnut 20:16:04 MikeCraven5 20:16:07 LiteracyWoman 20:16:14 mrpeel 20:16:14 TheHeadsOffice 20:16:19 ePaceonline
feedback not seen as a judgement? @GeographyCarrie Think it is, but then if we are looking at reflective practice then surely feedback is vital? #ukedchat @MrTomtheTeacher The one we had lead 3 staff meetings and feedback about obs in great detail! very constructive and hands on #ukedchat #ukedchat @KempsterD where's your evidence for that? @GeographyCarrie @sazzled81 #ukedchat gave the option to go and get individual feedback RT @oldandrewuk: The existence of OFSTED has created a system where the first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat #ukedchat ofsted talk bout personalised learning, but what bout personalised inspections? #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. RT @syded06: How To Fail A Test: Students Give Hilariously Incorrect Answers (PHOTOS) http://t.co/DA4KO5ya via @zite #edchat #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Don't disagree with that. But only school leaders can change that. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: The existence of OFSTED has created a system where the first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat agreed! @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Absolutely agree. My previous school had a head who, because we were a #1 (achieved 2007), just got stressed... #ukedchat It's the bits before and after Ofsted that are the most beneficial - school's entire direction can change for the better @urban_teacher #ukedchat agree, but the current attitude of OFSTED leaders prevents this - language of confrontation. @GeographyCarrie If they are in your room for more than 20mins they should give you feedback #ukedchat @CanonsOPP #ukedchat, if SIPs were good idea badly implemented then surely there must be a way of making this approach work?
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20:16:25 davidhunter 20:16:35 syded06 20:16:40 hgaldinoshea 20:16:44 GeographyCarrie 20:16:48 MrWaldram 20:16:51 smurfatik 20:16:52 MikeCraven5
20:17:02 JOHNSAYERS 20:17:13 tmeeky 20:17:13 oldandrewuk 20:17:14 hgaldinoshea 20:17:16 ethinking 20:17:26 mrpeel 20:17:47 TheHeadsOffice 20:17:47 Mad_teach 20:17:47 tmeeky 20:17:48 MichelleDhillon 20:17:48 CanonsOPP
#ukedchat this could also be a desirable career progression for some teachers Perhaps Ofsted isn't the problem. Are issues created by Leadership allowing it to be a driver? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk: The existence of OFSTED has created a system where the first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat Yep. @sazzled81 Couldn't agree more. Inspections should def include far more feedback and opportunity for teacher reflection #ukedchat @tmeeky That kid's got it on the money :-) #ukedchat RT @syded06: Perhaps Ofsted isn't the problem. Are issues created by Leadership allowing it to be a driver? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat ... about Ofsted, this made staff stressed and damaged the atmosphere. #ukedchat Ofsted have given me honest feedback/comments that help compared to many in house where no feedback given in/out silence approach SHld teachers be able to evaluate the effectiveness/abilities of Ofsted inspectors? That'd be interesting, no? #ukedchat #ukedchat Teachers need to be able to set their own priorities, not have them set according to what some overpaid SMT thinks OFSTED want. RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat OFSTED just add to the levels of bureaucracy, the activities that don't benefit kids at all. It feels like surveillance. #ukedchat @KempsterD let me let you into a secret its not about schools it's about ensuring kids get a good deal #ukedchat the obsession with grading leads to over subjectivity from both ends - remove and develop dialogue and formative comment @CanonsOPP :) :) :) #ukedchat #ukedchat an 8 yr old with more sense than ofsted! Love it! @oldandrewuk totally agree #ukedchat @canonsopp @mrpeel Would Ofsted be like John Torode or Gregg Wallace? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk And now back to disagreeing with you.
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20:17:51 Kezmerrelda 20:17:54 GeekPeter 20:18:05 KempsterD 20:18:09 MrWaldram 20:18:11 mrpeel 20:18:11 ukedchat 20:18:14 Langnut 20:18:15 JamesTheo 20:18:19 sazzled81 20:18:19 digitaldaisies 20:18:27 oldandrewuk 20:18:36 Monty_Math 20:18:38 mrpeel 20:18:44 CanonsOPP
Making the ephemeral concrete can be spot on for kids with short memories. #ukedchat #ukedchat I don't like the thought of ofsted just turning up as I want to be teaching a great lesson. Can't be whizzy all the time #ukedchat OFSTED should be same as progress check for students. Say well done if doing it right, show how to improve if needs improving. RT @ethinking #ukedchat @KempsterD where's your evidence for that? > Having worked with schools for hundreds of years.. ;-) @theheadsoffice by not giving a judgement... just focus on areas that you saw in the classroom. #ukedchat @ethinking #ukedchat true, but both teachers and OFSTED want this - why is there such a sense of them and us? Session 100 - The New Inspection: how formative is it and how should Ofsted develop ... http://t.co/k2QUzHUG ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}} @CanonsOPP @mrpeel @michelledhillon difference is critics can't close a restaurant if the customers still keep coming! #ukedchat #ukedchat I agree with @PhilBeadle when he questions why our regulatory body are actually setting the agenda. What other industry does that? @ethinking @Blenkaz Chances are ASTs won't exist this time next year unfortunately #ukedchat @syded06 That's part of it + the consultancy culture that has built up to teach us how to do what Ofsted want #ukedchat #ukedchat I do believe in accountability but bureaucracy is not the way to achieve it, & that's what OFSTED is. @TheHeadsOffice @geographycarrie #ukedchat have heard from a few teachers of inspectors staying for exactly 19 minutes :) @Langnut #ukedchat they can for all sorts of reasons... @ePaceonline Not if just using the same old gravy train ex-Heads that populated NCSL. Needs to be current heads. #ukedchat
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20:18:45 B_Sharpie 20:18:45 TheHeadsOffice 20:18:48 Blenkaz 20:18:56 syded06 20:18:58 TheHeadsOffice 20:19:05 KempsterD 20:19:13 TeachingTricks 20:19:15 Blenkaz
20:19:16 reflectivemaths 20:19:20 ethinking 20:19:25 CanonsOPP 20:19:36 sazzled81 20:19:41 mrpeel 20:19:42 nickotkdIV 20:19:45 lizdudley 20:19:51 MikeCraven5
RT @syded06: Perhaps Ofsted isn't the problem. Are issues created by Leadership allowing it to be a driver? #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: @CanonsOPP #ukedchat, if SIPs were good idea badly implemented then surely there must be a way of making this approach work? @TheHeadsOffice @teachingtricks #ukedchat general and to all staff clear points for improvements along with key strengths..... @digitaldaisies agreed. I wonder if anyone has worked out if that benefits students? #ukedchat RT @syded06: Perhaps Ofsted isn't the problem. Are issues created by Leadership allowing it to be a driver? #ukedchat >Discuss! @LiteracyWoman #ukedchat and for the worse (more often than not) @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat feedback to focus on positives and then points to improve, gradings not given - inspect as advisory procedure. @TheHeadsOffice @teachingtricks #ukedchat hard to judge on 25 min snapshot of one teachers lesson? RT @TeachingTricks: #ukedchat what about advisory inspections, ones without formal judgements but support given & constructive feedback? Could be by invitation? #ukedchat @davidhunter yes - look at them - a system which should be viewed in its cultural context @syded06 Yes. But it has been hard to be brave. The media aren't helping at the moment either. #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie Absolutely, also enables teacher op to justify decisions made "off plan" and to talk about next steps #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat a good point leadership being "relentless" in pursuit of excellence is often a cover for quasi-bullying. RT @sazzled81: @ethinking @Blenkaz Chances are ASTs won't exist this time next year unfortunately #ukedchat #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! Easy to get stuck #ukedchat Ofsted , no matter what govt says, restricts
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20:19:53 oldandrewuk
20:20:07 Blenkaz 20:20:08 Langnut 20:20:27 Blenkaz 20:20:29 TaniaBloor 20:20:38 ethinking 20:20:42 CanonsOPP 20:20:49 MikeCraven5 20:20:52 digitaldaisies 20:20:56 ePaceonline 20:21 MrWaldram
20:21:01 OlympicICT 20:21:03 Mad_teach 20:21:07 nickotkdIV 20:21:11 ePaceonline
teaching as staff get panicked about what is wanted. @ethinking #ukedchat The system created the people. Managers are selected for looking like they'd please OFSTED, i.e. they can't teach. RT @JOHNSAYERS: #ukedchat Ofsted have given me honest feedback/comments that help compared to many in house where no feedback given in/out silence approach @syded06 I wouldn't blame leadership entirely. Ofsted hands down edicts that smt have no option but to follow and no say in #ukedchat RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat OFSTED should be same as progress check for students. Say well done if doing it right, show how to improve if needs improving. RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat interesting how Finnish system dumped ext inspection inn favour of increasing professionalism and teacher status.look at them now #ukedchat @oldandrewuk would HM govt waste all the money if they didn't perceive that we need surveilling? @MichelleDhillon @mrpeel That's gotta be worth a follow!!!! Like neither. Like a food critic. #ukedchat #ukedchat @oldandrewuk agreed again. Must be careful, this could end up a habit. @syded06 someone somewhere will have collected a range of data which proves that it does #ukedchat #ukedchat Should Ofsted be a friendly mentor or a stern judge? @sirwilshaw you say that T&L is based on more than you see in the lesson, but if someone has a bad lesson, do you overlook it? #ukedchat #ukedchat it's all about the data. Can't be an outstanding school without good data...but is that the most important thing...results? #ukedchat we all came into teaching for the kids, ofsted don't seem interested in them, just in figures and percentages. RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Should Ofsted be a friendly mentor or a stern judge? RT @tmeeky: My 8 year old says Ofsted should be less intrstd in test results and more interstd teaching and children. #ukedchat
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20:21:12 tombennett71 20:21:14 ethinking 20:21:17 smurfatik 20:21:18 Keith_Burt 20:21:23 syded06 20:21:29 TheHeadsOffice 20:21:29 joanne_rich 20:21:32 davidhunter 20:21:36 oldandrewuk 20:21:38 MikeCraven5 20:21:42 sazzled81 20:21:43 mrpeel 20:21:46 JamesTheo 20:21:48 talktofile
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. am just lurking tonight but want to say that working in an Ofsted free environment is a lot less stressful #ukedchat RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat interesting how Finnish system dumped ext inspection inn favour of increasing professionalism and teacher status.look at them now @CanonsOPP @Langnut I completely agree it is not the fault of leaders. The Ofsted rating means everything at the moment #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @oldandrewuk would HM govt waste all the money if they didn't perceive that we need surveilling? #ukedchat @MrWaldram Happened to us inspection before last - KS4 & 5 at residential camp or activity days -they came anyway and visited camp @Orlama agreed.I think of it like inter schl tcher collaboration.target need and raise standards over course of year/indefinitely #ukedchat @super_sixfive #ukedchat "Leadership" my arse. It is micro-management and I don't think the top companies do run things that way. @nickotkdIV @sazzled81 @ethinking @Blenkaz I do believe the chances are extremely strong - haven't DfE abolished that pay scale? #ukedchat @mrpeel @ethinking Often wonder if it's because inspectors seem to lock themselves away in office, no real discussion with staff #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat take out the adjectives and I'd say judge - the mentoring should be within the school environment "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what do kids need?" RT @lizdudley: #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! Easy to get stuck
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20:21:52 CanonsOPP 20:21:55 DidgeH 20:21:57 EmSnaps 20:22:01 Langnut 20:22:04 KempsterD 20:22:14 Kezmerrelda 20:22:15 Askparentsfirst 20:22:16 MrWaldram 20:22:26 TheHeadsOffice 20:22:32 Educationchat 20:22:42 traceyab1 20:22:47 MrTomtheTeacher 20:22:52 syded06 20:22:59 eylanezekiel 20:23:05 GeographyCarrie
@Langnut @mrpeel @michelledhillon Not sure Ofsted alone can close a school. Lots of follow up where needed #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat the obsession with grading leads to over subjectivity from both ends - remove and develop dialogue and formative comment RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat why not have realistic current outstanding teachers visit schools to obs and offer general feedback to schools? Which teachers do Ofsted consult about e.g. New criteria? Or do they act like any other gvt dept making up new rules? #ukedchat @ethinking #ukedchat Agree but Ofsted doesn't really focus on learning and the expnce of the child. It focuses on the political imperative @ePaceonline #ukedchat definitely friendly and helpful unless really serious concerns I guess 'Good'=above nat average, but satisfactory becoming 'requires imrovement', so will all schs have to be above average? #ukedchat #ukedchat in the same way that we cant decide a ch's writing ability on one SATs paper, can Ofsted decide ours on one lesson? @OlympicICT How do we make sure our children gethe best if we don't have checks & balances? #ukedchat The biggest problem with Ofsted is that it forces leaders to do things "to tick the Ofsted box" rather than for the children. #ukedchat #ukedchat just had a fab ofsted inspection team - put us at ease and got the best from everyone in doing so! Made it much nicer process. @ePaceonline Depends what is needed. It's not an either/or question, is it? Should be a professional & respectful dialogue though #ukedchat @KempsterD Is the moral imperative therefore to ignore Ofsted if it doesn't benefit the students? #ukedchat #ukedchat - If Ofsted were to become more like TripAdvisor - with school view, expert and user ratings and reviews, would that be better? @Askparentsfirst and surely not everyone can be
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20:23:17 ePaceonline 20:23:17 tmeeky 20:23:28 sazzled81 20:23:30 Educationchat 20:23:32 Kezmerrelda 20:23:38 Monty_Math 20:23:42 nickotkdIV 20:23:46 TheHeadsOffice 20:23:48 anhalf 20:24:05 andywhiteway 20:24:22 TheHeadsOffice 20:24:23 GeographyCarrie 20:24:23 MichelleDhillon 20:24:26 OlympicICT 20:24:32 KempsterD 20:24:39 CanonsOPP
'above average' for average to exist?! #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: #ukedchat ofsted talk bout personalised learning, but what bout personalised inspections? 8 yr old says Teachers +adults feel pressured that they have to b ready for Ofsted coming 'stead of doing wot they think's right #ukedchat @ePaceonline Think it depends on situation, sometimes not everyone takes on board what a friendly mentor says?? #ukedchat I hate the phrase "to tick the Ofsted box" and will actively try to avoid doing things for simply this reason. #ukedchat RT @Mad_teach: #ukedchat we all came into teaching for the kids, ofsted don't seem interested in them, just in figures and percentages. @Langnut #ukedchat I do think tho that teachers are guilty of going ofsted rumour crazy - trying to include things they THINK ofsted want #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! Easy to get stuck @sazzled81 Should be changing #ukedchat @ethinking #ukedchat i am an ast, but la not continuing funding :-( missed a trick or two Traffic on #ukedchat seems slow for me tonight RT @traceyab1: #ukedchat just had a fab ofsted inspection team - put us at ease and got the best from everyone in doing so! Made it much nicer process. @TheHeadsOffice I don't think many would argue we don't need checks/balances, but it's the type and way it is done that is crucial #ukedchat @canonsopp @mrpeel :))) always seem to veer off into slightly daft discussions during #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat.agreed but is punishing schools and league tables the best way? Schools shouldn't be in competition. @lizdudley #ukedchat Observation is a good thing done in an appropriate way. When observed given constructive feedback (unlike Ofsted) @syded06 @langnut But the grade is a label attached to the outcomes. It must not become a label attached
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20:24:45 anhalf 20:24:53 Educationchat 20:24:56 oldandrewuk 20:24:57 talktofile
20:25:02 andywhiteway 20:25:03 anhalf 20:25:13 thought_weavers 20:25:14 Blenkaz 20:25:21 raisechildrens 20:25:27 nickotkdIV 20:25:27 traceyab1 20:25:34 Askparentsfirst 20:25:38 anhalf 20:25:51 CanonsOPP 20:25:52 syded06
to the processes. #ukedchat @eylanezekiel #ukedchat is that what the parent view is meant to be for? Headteachers need to stand up to inspectors more. We know our school far better than someone who's in there for only 48 hours. #ukedchat @PenPendragon Absolutely. It's creating paper trails. #ukedchat #ukedchat I like that OfSTED forces focus on planning and mutual support of each other...sometimes easy to lose sight of this in daily grind RT @JamesTheo: "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what do kids need?" RT @thought_weavers: #ukedchat ofsted talk bout personalised learning, but what bout personalised inspections? @nickotkdIV #ukedchat totally agree, I really value feedback from fellow professionals! I ask to be observed! @nickotkdIV totally agree, recently finished a scitt and made most progress following obs! #ukedchat #ukedchat schools should be excellent at all times and this shouldn't be changed thru the stress of impending Ofsted visits! #ukedchat if you have a SMT that stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) @KempsterD #ukedchat - just finished ofsted today -ours focused very much on the child but we had the data to prove what we are doing works @GeographyCarrie Exactly - it's a mathematical nonsense, so will descriptors be re-written to reflect the change? #UKedchat @Monty_Math pressure from la more than teachers #ukedchat @Educationchat It doesn't force leaders. Sometimes it appears that way, but strong leadership has to be bold in resisting that. #ukedchat @CanonsOPP @langnut actually if I hear the phrase 'how do you know' one more time I might regret my
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20:25:58 raisechildrens 20:26:02 eylanezekiel 20:26:03 mrpeel 20:26:03 oldandrewuk 20:26:03 Mad_teach 20:26:07 Educationchat 20:26:07 sciencetchr21 20:26:10 Blenkaz 20:26:11 anhalf 20:26:19 KempsterD 20:26:25 joanne_rich 20:26:31 sciencetchr21
20:26:38 AmyG2191 20:26:41 talktofile 20:26:45 ethinking
actions #ukedchat #ukedchat children should set the Ofsted criteria as they know how they want the school to be! @anhalf current parent view is badly conceived - and poorly implemented - but it is workable - with schools supporting it #ukedchat #ukedchat always happy 2b observed and to observe, but the outcome must be formative and dialogic - not didactic @super_sixfive @ethinking #ukedchat Since when? Have you seen the average member of SMT teach? Just hopeless. #ukedchat @Askparentsfirst bit then that will become the new average! Basically, we can't win! @anhalf @eylanezekiel No - Parent View is for parents to say how good the school is. Or to moan about it. #ukedchat #butitwonttriggerofsted @lizdudley I think extra paperwork reduces time to think, create and be inspired #ukedchat @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat totally agree, I really value feedback from fellow professionals! I ask to be observed! snap!!! RT @nickotkdIV #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! @Langnut @syded06 #ukedchat I disagree James. Just cos Ofsted says it, doesn't mean you have to follow what they say. #weakleadership @cherrylkd @mrwaldram #ukedchat We were last week & had been told they'd look at obs over time 1/2 RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. RT @JamesTheo: "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what do kids need?" RT @TheHeadsOffice: @OlympicICT How do we make sure our children gethe best if we don't have checks & balances? #ukedchat RT @traceyab1: @KempsterD #ukedchat - just finished ofsted today -ours focused very much on the
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20:26:49 MichelleDhillon 20:26:50 CanonsOPP 20:26:54 Educationchat 20:26:55 sciencetchr21 20:26:55 davidhunter 20:26:58 cherrylkd 20:27:08 anhalf 20:27:12 ePaceonline 20:27:12 joanne_rich 20:27:17 Mad_teach
20:27:19 nickotkdIV 20:27:26 Askparentsfirst 20:27:31 Kezmerrelda 20:27:31 shaun_allison
child but we had the data to prove what we are doing works @SuzanneCulshaw @canonsopp @mrpeel Now that's worth a follow! :-) #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon @mrpeel That's a good thing. Just have to remember it when the kids do the same thing in my lessons. #ukedchat @CanonsOPP Have yet to see many leaders strong enough to go against Ofsted advice.... #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat short notice prevents faking of quality... it needs to also recognise that it will see real lessons -warts and all and not judge. #ukedchat do any measures of success trump the 'outstanding' rating? how can we communicate these to parents? @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat OFSTED should be same as progress check for students. Say well done if doing it right, show how to improve if needs improving. @MrTomtheTeacher #ukedchat, agreed room for both, but perception is of judgement rather than help. We don't judge pupils who struggle! @cherrylkd @mrwaldram #ukedchat 1 teacher consistently outstanding went to pieces & they insisted on grading her satisfactory RT @Educationchat: I hate the phrase "to tick the Ofsted box" and will actively try to avoid doing things for simply this reason. #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable @Mad_teach So is the Ofsted framework designed to ensure an ever-replenishing supply of failing schools? #ukedchat @Educationchat all this yr staff meetings have been about what we need for ofsted as we due after 41/2yrs #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future
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20:27:36 syded06 20:27:38 raisechildrens 20:27:41 talktofile 20:27:48 talktofile 20:27:52 B_Sharpie 20:27:52 MrWaldram 20:27:53 SingleStepsBlog 20:27:53 urban_teacher 20:27:55 TheHeadsOffice 20:27:57 mrpeel
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20:28:02 anhalf 20:28:06 SheliBB 20:28:06 sciencetchr21
generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable @mrpeel at risk of dropping the obvious cliche - are we not observed by 30 students every lesson and they let you know! #ukedchat @anhalf @nickotkdiv #ukedchat if you were observed more often would this make you more/less relaxed? Maybe diff people feel diff ways...? RT @sciencetchr21: @lizdudley I think extra paperwork reduces time to think, create and be inspired #ukedchat RT @anhalf: RT @nickotkdIV #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! @Blenkaz Yes, should it be developmental rather than judgemental? At some point we need accountability. #ukedchat @joanne_rich @cherrylkd Well, that's good then... they need to know we're human. #ukedchat @thought_weavers @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Agree too - set up 'observation practices' that were jointly owned and focused on formative dialogue RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. If we agree that checks & balances are needed how should Ofsted develop to get the right system in place? #ukedchat @cherrylkd #ukedchat utterly agree, as with any job, but is the manner in which it happens useful? Would a formative approach help? RT @MrTomtheTeacher: #ukedchat A thought; could OFSTED drop in a few times a year, rather than one high pressure week? Would get better picture. #randomsampling @eylanezekiel agreed, needs to safeguard aginst 'trouble makers' #ukedchat @Blenkaz @thought_weavers @nickotkdIV You could always ask the children to make observations too :) #ukedchat @mrpeel agree, everyday tchg is different from 'red carpet' but just as effective #ukedchat
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20:28:21 CanonsOPP 20:28:26 tmeeky 20:28:31 MrTomtheTeacher 20:28:33 syded06 20:28:33 mr_chadwick 20:28:34 sazzled81 20:28:35 mikallaane 20:28:39 mrpeel 20:28:50 saidthemac 20:28:59 CanonsOPP 20:29:02 MrWaldram 20:29:02 ethinking 20:29:11 rlewin75 20:29:12 wallythebus
20:29:16 TheHeadsOffice 20:29:22 syded06
@syded06 @langnut Too much emphasis on proving as you go along can stifle the joy of the unplanned improvement #ukedchat @raisechildrens 8 yr old likes tht :o) Criteria include: listen to kids, seek to help the school ..Inspec shld b chance 2 shine #ukedchat #ukedchat Does "Outstanding" category annoy others? Not everyone can be outstanding by definition. "Excellent" has no limits on it though. @raisechildrens @anhalf @nickotkdiv have to say from my PE background you feel more comfortable as your lessons are always on show #ukedchat @ethinking Last inspection (3yrs ago) was a check on our SEF and improvement priorities - will next one will have the same agenda? #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice That's good news! #ukedchat #ukedchat my Ofsted parental view (150/450 high rtn r8) stated 95% Agree/Stongly Agree with school outcomes BUT Ofsted didnt! N2I given @SheliBB #ukedchat we have used studetn observers in the past -they're rathe rgood actually, if used well I have to say on a positive note, the recent "Wide and wider still" document on Music from Ofsted actually makes a lot of sense #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @super_sixfive @ethinking I hope that makes me above average SLT. #ukedchat @syded06 @CanonsOPP @Langnut Haha, my favourite question to ask the kids #ukedchat #ukedchat I suggest that schools who have stuff to hide or don't know their data properly find it stressful i @oldandrewuk in some schools in certain contextsYES! #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice It absolutely needs to be formative and not merely ranking and rating #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable @CanonsOPP @langnut I can feel the #soloarmy + independent learning crew shifting uncomfortably
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20:29:23 cherrylkd 20:29:24 saidthemac 20:29:35 ethinking 20:29:53 raisechildrens 20:29:53 KempsterD 20:29:56 nickotkdIV 20:29:58 CanonsOPP
20:29:58 B_Sharpie 20:30:03 oldandrewuk 20:30:05 MrG_ICT 20:30:12 normal_for_jp 20:30:20 sazzled81 20:30:31 saidthemac 20:30:32 joanne_rich 20:30:34 normal_for_jp
#ukedchat @Educationchat #ukedchat there is room to please Ofsted and help ch learn. Ofsted should be less threatening and more supportive. Problem is that most inspectors don't know how to observe music or what musical progression looks and sounds like #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: @CanonsOPP Have yet to see many leaders strong enough to go against Ofsted advice.... #ukedchat #ukedchat do you think Ofsted stresses out the children as much as the teachers? #worththinkingabout @syded06 #ukedchat You have to look at the bigger picture. What is the best thing for your school? Look at what Ofsted say though as part @SheliBB @Blenkaz @thought_weavers excellent thought!! :-) #ukedchat @Educationchat Maybe. But they are there. And they are getting stronger. We need them. #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable @ethinking #ukedchat Are you really doubting the capacity of governments to create unnecessary bureaucracies? Many local heads seem to want robotic teaching following their take on OFSTED criteria. Not encouraging innovation and creativity. #ukedchat #ukedchat limited period to be an inspector, draw from schools and then send them back to schools to ensure the them and us dissipates @MikeCraven5 @nickotkdIV @ethinking @Blenkaz Think remaining few of us moved onto L scale, may not even be called AST now?? #ukedchat Would you de-politicise education? #ukedchat #ukedchat we were last week - was gruelling but basically fair - totally different to 3 yrs ago though & focus almost entirely on observing RT @MrTomtheTeacher: #ukedchat Does "Outstanding" category annoy others? Not everyone
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20:30:35 TheHeadsOffice 20:30:40 mrpeel 20:30:40 cherrylkd 20:30:45 SingleStepsBlog 20:30:46 Bectully 20:30:46 ethinking 20:30:48 nickotkdIV 20:30:50 GeographyCarrie 20:31:06 Mad_teach 20:31:08 syded06 20:31:09 CanonsOPP 20:31:15 MichelleDhillon 20:31:18 ePaceonline 20:31:21 mikeatedji
can be outstanding by definition. "Excellent" has no limits on it though. RT @ethinking: #ukedchat I suggest that schools who have stuff to hide or don't know their data properly find it stressful - i @normal_for_jp #ukedchat i like that idea - almost like jury service #ukedchat @joanne_rich @mrwaldram thats naughty! They are meant to look at the observations and not make snap judgements @SheliBB @Blenkaz @thought_weavers @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Completely agree w/ children being observers-really interesting feedback from this #ukedchat Lessons should offer constant variety. Some more student led, some more teacher led. OFSTED approach negates this. #frustrating #ukedchat @davidhunter no need - that's what parents want to know: have been weighed and measured? Were you found wanting? RT @cherrylkd @Educationchat #ukedchat there is room to please Ofsted and help ch learn Ofsted should be less threatening + more supportive @Askparentsfirst Descriptors have been re-written already. You should be able to see them here: http://t.co/q63PJ3FU #ukedchat #ukedchat @Askparentsfirst it seems that way. So many schools bein down graded so that they can b forced academies. My opinion! @KempsterD agreed - it appears strong leadership is vital to balance the needs of students with Ofsted criteria #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice The system since 2005 isn't so bad. Intelligent accountability can work. Opening up meetings to SLT also works. #ukedchat Ofsted seems to be a very final judgement. Maybe there should be professional feedback given by fellow teachers all year? #ukedchat @MrTomtheTeacher #ukedchat, indeed, imagine treating 'failing pupils' in this way, grading and then publishing results, we just wouldn't. #ukedchat I like the emphasis in new framework on anti-bullying, and atmosphere where ALL can thrive
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20:31:27 Kezmerrelda 20:31:31 MrWaldram 20:31:42 cherrylkd 20:31:42 TheHeadsOffice 20:31:45 emmaannhardy 20:31:49 lizdudley 20:31:54 MikeCraven5 20:32:17 Blenkaz 20:32:23 sciencetchr21 20:32:25 starlemusique 20:32:26 SirWilshaw 20:32:27 normal_for_jp 20:32:40 CanonsOPP
20:32:41 nickotkdIV 20:32:42 ICTwitz 20:32:45 OlympicICT
#ukedchat if Ofsted wasn't so scary but a helpful friendly approach, a way of moving forward surely that would be better for teachers & kids @cherrylkd @joanne_rich VERY naughty! #ukedchat @mrpeel #ukedchat Yes that would def help. At the moment we work in atmosphere of distrust @raisechildrens: #ukedchat do you think Ofsted stresses out the children as much as the teachers? #worththinkingabout RT"@ethinking #ukedchat Are you really doubting the capacity of governments to create unnecessary bureaucracies?" never! #ukedchat "only consider a provider to be outstanding if they have outstanding teaching, learning and assessment" #ukedchat ofsted scares SLT, who scare staff. On top of this, inspectors are often woefully inadequate for the job. @SheliBB @thought_weavers @nickotkdiv good point but do children always know what they need? #devilsadvocate #ukedchat @lizdudley @sciencetchr21 you've made my day #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat #ukedchat Draw from all teachers, no way to refuse. @mrpeel @syded06 I think that this is the best reason ever for #soloarmy to get going. Almost zero notice inspections need SOLO. #ukedchat RT @SingleStepsBlog: @SheliBB @Blenkaz @thought_weavers @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Completely agree w/ children being observers-really interesting feedback from this OfSTED play too close to political agenda, rather than what is best for education #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat one easy way would be 2 stop changing the goal posts making it harder and
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20:32:46 TheHeadsOffice 20:32:52 SingleStepsBlog 20:32:52 Orlama 20:32:57 TheHeadsOffice 20:33:03 thought_weavers 20:33:13 ePaceonline 20:33:14 mrpeel 20:33:18 syded06 20:33:19 emmaannhardy 20:33:25 nickotkdIV 20:33:26 urban_teacher 20:33:39 joanne_rich 20:33:41 Blenkaz 20:33:42 Gwenelope 20:33:46 nickotkdIV 20:33:47 ICTwitz
harder to be good. Have we any Ofsted inspectors with us here tonight? #ukedchat #ukedchat How involved do learners of all ages feel in the OFSTED process? Do/could teachers/children give inspectors feedback? RT @lizdudley: #ukedchat "only consider a provider to be outstanding if they have outstanding teaching, learning and assessment" RT @joanne_rich: #ukedchat we were last week - was gruelling but basically fair - totally different to 3 yrs ago though & focus almost entirely on observing @SingleStepsBlog @nickotkdiv #ukedchat agree, obs should be an opportunity for prof, constructive dialogue. #ukedchat In my experience people need help (constructive and supportive) not judgement. @normal_for_jp #ukedchat i really do think you have solved it @CanonsOPP I don't believe it. That was my next line #ukedchat @SirWilshaw I thought it was that already... #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: @SingleStepsBlog @nickotkdiv #ukedchat agree, obs should be an opportunity for prof, constructive dialogue. Are Ofsted mainly fault finders or empower warriors? #ukedchat #ukedchat @cherrylkd @mrwaldram they'd agreed with all our judgements when did paired obs but T & L judgement based only on what they'd seen @TeachingTricks #ukedchat I use these throughout lessons just still think better judgement could be made after full session? RT @infernaldepart: Why Twitter and Facebook could be Good instructional tools http://t.co/uyIICrXS #socialmedia #ukedchat @thought_weavers @SingleStepsBlog and shared amongst staff team #ukedchat #ukedchat Has anyone ever come across an OfSTED inspector on twitter. Are they allowed to have one and own up?
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20:33:47 oldandrewuk 20:33:59 sciencetchr21 20:34 MrG_ICT
20:34:06 CanonsOPP 20:34:09 lizdudley 20:34:09 TheHeadsOffice 20:34:13 MrWaldram 20:34:21 KempsterD 20:34:22 Gwenelope 20:34:23 nickotkdIV 20:34:24 cherrylkd 20:34:33 Mad_teach 20:34:36 normal_for_jp 20:34:48 SheliBB 20:34:49 KempsterD 20:34:50 mrpeel 20:34:52 syded06
@rlewin75 Obviously not universal, but it is pretty normal these days. #ukedchat @juliethomson101 @sciencetchr21 I think this is crazy, just have emergency cover work ready in case you are ill #ukedchat I know teachers who have planned five or six quality lessons and keep them for OFSTED. Understandable as the stakes are so high. #ukedchat It's not the Ofsted I have a problem with. It's the mocksteds and insteds that are used to replicate them. #ukedchat #ukedchat I think once we get to FE then the students views should be as important as Ofsted! How can Ofsted be less threatening? #ukedchat @geographycarrie @Askparentsfirst apparently @sirwilshaw has his own judgements - take a look... #ukedchat I knew many Ofsted inspectors (some of the lead insp) and many of them didn't know what good learning looked like. I was so amazed #ukedchat RT @normal_for_jp: #ukedchat limited period to be an inspector, draw from schools and then send them back to schools to ensure the them and us dissipates RT @TheHeadsOffice: @raisechildrens: #ukedchat do you think Ofsted stresses out the children as much as the teachers? #worththinkingabout @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. RT @OlympicICT: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat one easy way would be 2 stop changing the goal posts making it harder and harder to be good. #ukedchat My work is done then ;) @mrpeel @Blenkaz @thought_weavers @nickotkdiv No, but they can tell you what/ how they liked learning and that's the point isn't it? #ukedchat RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat @cherrylkd #ukedchat reflective teaching communities - yes please @KempsterD @@Askparentsfirst @TheHeadsOffice
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20:34:57 boondocksYEAH 20:34:57 nickotkdIV 20:34:59 wetherberry2009 20:35 TheHeadsOffice
20:35:02 B_Sharpie 20:35:08 GeographyCarrie 20:35:09 bellaale 20:35:15 Mallrat_uk 20:35:19 GeekPeter 20:35:19 urban_teacher 20:35:22 thought_weavers 20:35:23 Monty_Math 20:35:31 oldandrewuk 20:35:31 nickotkdIV 20:35:39 joanne_rich 20:35:46 Monty_Math 20:35:53 syded06
Are we agreed that we really need to remove the fear of being observed? #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice each inspector to carry a lovely puppy #ukedchat @cherrylkd what we do #ukedchat RT @infernaldepart: Flipping the Classroom: Teachers Turn Homework on its Head http://t.co/G3L5z7PT #ukedchat RT @urban_teacher: Are Ofsted mainly fault finders or empower warriors? #ukedchat @Blenkaz Yes, a huge issue with its artificiality... #ukedchat RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon there is... (or should be) appraisal going on all-year-round #ukedchat @MrG_ICT we got outstanding in all categories in recent OfSTED, inspectors definitely wanted creativity and independent. #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat if you have a SMT that stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) where is the evidence that Ofsted has done anything to improve the standards in our schools? ooouuchhhh!!! #ukedchat @Blenkaz #ukedchat no they don't always know,but that's my judgement, 2 take advice I feel cud benefit.Sum adults don't give useful f'back #ukedchat could we ask ofsted inspectors to come and show us how it should be done? Sat with clipboard at the ready Mr Wilshaw! @super_sixfive @ethinking #ukedchat If you say so, but that's not how they got their jobs. RT @urban_teacher: Are Ofsted mainly fault finders or empower warriors? #ukedchat #ukedchat @cherrylkd @nickotkdiv Totally agree much more productive and supportive RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat In my experience people need help (constructive and supportive) not judgement. @Monty_Math now I really would love that to be an
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option #ukedchat #ukedchat is there a primary/secondary perception 20:35:58 mrpeel shift? just asking? Why does their only seem to be 1 version of outstanding for lesson obs' criteria? Why do the goal 20:35:59 Gwenelope posts move so frequently? #ukedchat 20:35:59 Mad_teach #ukedchat @ictwitz would u own up to it??? @mrpeel #ukedchat absolutely. Eases the stress of 20:35:59 cherrylkd Ofsted when it comes which is a bonus RT @JamesTheo: "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what 20:35:59 RWM_LearningLab do kids need?" RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat if you have a SMT that stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all 20:36:01 stuc2011 the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap 20:36:03 Vickycarl and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat RT @boondocksYEAH: @TheHeadsOffice each 20:36:07 LiteracyWoman inspector to carry a lovely puppy #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: RT @urban_teacher: Are Ofsted 20:36:09 GeographyCarrie mainly fault finders or empower warriors? #ukedchat @Mr_Chas #ukedchat Similar but on a different scale. A lot of the time being a teacher is like being audited 20:36:18 oldandrewuk every day. @Educationchat @Askparentsfirst #ukedchat ...and who's probably on the ARK payroll! Mention no names 20:36:19 Clueless_Morgan (Sally Morgan, Ofsted & Ark!) Tut tut! @nickotkdIV @thought_weavers #ukedchat yes - and OFSTED could just join process which already exists 20:36:21 SingleStepsBlog in the school -thereby personalising it #ukedchat I love the idea of drawing from outstanding 20:36:25 lizdudley teachers, like a jury system? @MrG_ICT Don't understand that! Children are there 20:36:26 TheHeadsOffice all the time not just for Ofsted! #ukedchat @MrG_ICT #ukedchat To paraphrse Martin Amis, OFSTED's like wearing white pants. Why not store up 20:36:33 MrTomtheTeacher a one-off cracker if that's all they see? 20:36:38 ethinking RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is
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20:36:45 talktofile 20:37:03 dannishwright 20:37:06 thought_weavers 20:37:07 ePaceonline 20:37:14 raff31 20:37:19 Mad_teach 20:37:19 StarLesson 20:37:25 Gwenelope 20:37:25 GarethSurgey 20:37:26 CanonsOPP 20:37:29 MrWaldram 20:37:38 super_sixfive 20:37:45 nickotkdIV 20:37:48 GeographyCarrie 20:37:53 DidgeH
accountable RT @cherrylkd: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat there has to be some accountability. We have the future generation in our hands. Every profession is accountable RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! @KempsterD #ukedchat new framework says the focus is going to shift to looking more at T and L and aspects of school that raise achievement. Ofsted are Ofsted. Rags blowing in the wind. #ukedchat RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat could we ask ofsted inspectors to come and show us how it should be done? Sat with clipboard at the ready Mr Wilshaw! RT @SirWilshaw: So what if we do a no-notice inspection and half the staff are out on residential or the SLT is not there? #ukedchat Learning walks and lesson observations (in house) should be done by all teachers, not just SMT. Surely good prof' development? #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat if you have a SMT that stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) Have no issues with in-school reviews, but for learning not for Ofsted-compliance. There is no Ofsted-friendly form of teaching. #ukedchat @ictwitz see @sirwilshaw #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! RT @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! @MrTomtheTeacher Because I believe #ofsted are looking to ask pupils if what they've seen on the day is a 'usual' lesson #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat if you have a SMT that
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stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) #ukedchat Asked by one of our SEN students of the inspectors last week - why do they look so cross? @MrG_ICT thanks 4 the tip (ofsted due oct!) #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. I am confused that ofsted have archived everything, but given us nothing to use instead. #ukedchat @Mallrat_uk seems to be that certain behaviours are inspirational in outstanding schools and failures in measures schools! #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice needs to lose stigma surrounding, change from problem finders to solvers! #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat I do learning walks as do many colleagues - not really seen the point yet disappointed. @Educationchat completely agree re HT...I also think teachers should lead the inspector ..."ask what would u like to see?" #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! #ukedchat being in fear of ofsted arriving4 the last few months has made me v reflective of my practice. @ICTwitz I'm allowed to do anything I want! #ukedchat #heroic @Mad_teach If I was proud of it, yes. But wonder if they sign secrecy. Last inspec I spoke to didn't even say where they're from #ukedchat @KempsterD @langnut @syded06 #ukedchat Agreed. If its not right for your school and children & u can justify reasons, don't do it. @TheHeadsOffice @urban_teacher My nickname for OFSTED inspectors are 'Deatheaters', soul sucked out of me by the process. #ukedchat Education, kids, learning;, people, life = too complex a dynamic to be judged by a tick sheet and a short drop-in. #ukedchat
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20:38:41 talktofile 20:38:48 sciencetchr21 20:38:54 MrTomtheTeacher 20:38:58 oldandrewuk 20:38:59 EllieERussell 20:39 misscedge
20:39:02 KempsterD 20:39:20 nickotkdIV 20:39:23 syded06 20:39:25 Blenkaz 20:39:37 TheHeadsOffice 20:39:41 rlewin75
20:39:42 WarwickLanguage 20:40:03 Kezmerrelda 20:40:04 mrpeel 20:40:04 ePaceonline 20:40:10 GeorgeEBlack
@MrG_ICT can these lessons not be reused, shared, improved at later date or more regularly...surely good? #ukedchat @CanonsOPP agree, it adds to pressure #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat So true. Odd that we spend all our time teaching & so rarely get to see our peers do it! @super_sixfive @ethinking #ukedchat Well quite. SMT generally obstruct teaching and learning. RT @anhalf: RT @nickotkdIV #ukedchat perhaps as teachers we should be observed more often? I'm always happy for feedback, how else will we improve! RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat if you have a SMT that stives for improvement they do the job of OFSTED all the time! (just in a nicer and more understanding way) RT @TheHeadsOffice How can Ofsted be less threatening? #ukedchat > They could be promoted as a support body rather than punitive. #ukedchat Ofsted are not to be scared of if you are teaching correctly! @cherrylkd @KempsterD @langnut come to think of it I've been asked to model outstanding iPad lessons for Ofsted!!! #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat what isnt that the same thing? Strange eh? @Vickycarl Didn't schs ask for freedom? #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie @mrtomtheteacher #ukedchat what if kid says 'usually much better- you seem to stress them out' ? RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. #ukedchat though very much thinking along the lines of what evidence have I collected to show I know what I am doing... #ukedchat the punitive language being used in the press by OFSTED leaders is the greatest cause of distrust - get rid of the fools @wallythebus #ukedchat, agree totally RT @KempsterD: RT @TheHeadsOffice How can Ofsted be less threatening? #ukedchat > They could
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20:40:13 LiteracyWoman 20:40:22 MrG_ICT 20:40:22 tmeeky 20:40:23 Orlama 20:40:32 nickotkdIV 20:40:43 ICTwitz 20:40:47 Westylish
20:40:52 SingleStepsBlog 20:40:56 tmeeky 20:41 bekblayton
20:41:05 MichelleDhillon 20:41:06 mrpeel 20:41:09 KempsterD 20:41:17 KempsterD 20:41:17 nickotkdIV 20:41:22 MrTomtheTeacher 20:41:48 SwayGrantham
be promoted as a support body rather than punitive. #ukedchat Yr 10 should shadow Ofsted for work experience @mallrat_uk Agree that OFSTED enjoy creativity but have experience of head wanting safe lesson that ticks boxes. #ukedchat RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat Ofsted are not to be scared of if you are teaching correctly! > you mean teaching to certain critera Everyone participating assertive and proactive. How do we support those teachers who are not?#ukedchat #ukedchat "is it bad teachers that only fear OFSTED?" @SirWilshaw LOL #ukedchat #love-spoofaccounts #ukedchat an Ofsted observation doesn't see what is really going on. You have to up your game but are you cheating the students in doing so? RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat "is it bad teachers that only fear OFSTED?" > nah Iif Ofsted became unannounced the nature of the inspections and their expectations would have to shift. More realistic, more human #ukedchat @bellaale Agreed but not sure there is in some of the places I've visited. Needless panicking ensues when inspection time beckons #ukedchat @nickotkdIV #ukedchat no -many do because all performers have doubts and nightmares RT @boondocksYEAH: @TheHeadsOffice each inspector to carry a lovely puppy #ukedchat @syded06 @Askparentsfirst @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat > it's not fear of being observed but of the empty 'judgement' left hanging in the air @tmeeky do you believe these criteria are wrong? #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie To me, that's a hopelessly naive question considering what's at stake. What do they expect teachers to do? #ukedchat I saw a tweet re:SMT going to see wonderful teaching in a school instead of coming to scrutinise...needs to
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20:42:05 Gallowsorguillo 20:42:06 Kezmerrelda 20:42:15 cherrylkd 20:42:16 Mr_P_Teach 20:42:20 aknill 20:42:27 MichaelaPorter2 20:42:29 SingleStepsBlog 20:42:38 tmeeky 20:42:40 GeorgeEBlack 20:42:41 ravingleftie 20:42:43 joanne_rich 20:42:50 Mr_P_Teach 20:42:50 JOHNSAYERS 20:42:53 davidhunter
be the ofsted attitude #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @CanonsOPP it is worth trying a SOLO lesson to see how it meets Ofsted criteria. Oh and students benefit. #ukedchat RT @Clueless_Morgan: @Educationchat @Askparentsfirst #ukedchat ...and who's probably on the ARK payroll! Mention no names (Sally Morgan, Ofsted & Ark!) Tut tut! #ukedchat if only ofsted inspectors didn't say hmmm so much and gave u a bit of a clue when they are interviewing you. It's just so scary!! @syded06 @kempsterd @langnut #ukedchat Excellent! They'll like that. #ukedchat We've just had Ofsted. They used our data analysis to confirm we had found the right things in addition to our monitoring @pcrossers @johnsayers right "crossers" young chap have a look at #ukedchat on. Now until 9 pm or from 9 #dlchat @Gwenelope at our school we all peer observe, including support staff, very useful #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! @nickotkdIV > too rigid, stilted, un-natural , formulaic #ukedchat #ukedchat to add another aspect to this discussion we get HMI (Ofsted in Scotland) and as we are a boarding school the Care Commission too.. RT @oldandrewuk: The existence of OFSTED has created a system where the first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat #ukedchat @nickotkdIV No,we have an amazing teacher, consistently outstanding, who went to pieces through nerves and graded satisfactory #ukedchat It confirms to staff that the SLT and the school are on the right path. Good think in my opinion is that Ofsted check teacher class analysis by teacher and look through books for progression #ukedchat FOCUS imp @ethinking wth admin heavy roles many Ts feel handcuffed to take on PD and leadership
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20:42:59 nwinton 20:43 TheHeadsOffice
20:43:01 SingleStepsBlog 20:43:03 Askparentsfirst 20:43:15 GeographyCarrie 20:43:27 normal_for_jp 20:43:31 CanonsOPP 20:43:51 GeorgeEBlack 20:43:58 GeographyCarrie 20:44:01 Mad_teach 20:44:05 ethinking 20:44:05 68ron 20:44:10 ZoeAndrewsAST 20:44:16 MichelleDhillon 20:44:17 ethinking 20:44:20 TheHeadsOffice
capacity.expecting these traits is a catch22 #ukedchat @KempsterD @theheadsoffice @GeorgeEBlack Has anyone suggested the Finnish model? Get rid of OFSTED and watch your results go up! #ukedchat RT @tmeeky: @nickotkdIV > too rigid, stilted, unnatural , formulaic #ukedchat > How should they change? RT @thought_weavers: @SingleStepsBlog @nickotkdiv #ukedchat agree, obs should be an opportunity for prof, constructive dialogue. RT @Mad_teach: #ukedchat @Askparentsfirst it seems that way. So many schools bein down graded so that they can b forced academies. My opinion! @MichaelaPorter2 We suggested that, but it became additional obs for SLT and middle managers of teachers instead :( #ukedchat #ukedchat Trip advisor style rate my inspector maybe? @syded06 @nickotkdiv It has to meet the criteria. Moving from multistructural to abstract thinking. Progress nailed on. #ukedchat #solo #ukedchat ... Care Commission is by far the more stressful, but also the most satisfying to get right. @rlewin75 Haha... here's hoping! #ukedchat #ukedchat re obs others, I was advised to film myself for a whole day. Cringe worthy but v v useful! RT @Mr_P_Teach: #ukedchat We've just had Ofsted. They used our data analysis to confirm we had found the right things in addition to our monitoring #ukedchat I was a bit disappointed with the afternoon's notice thing re OFSTED visits. Think it might be the worst of both worlds. @MrG_ICT surely that's also quite difficult to actually pull off on day- need to showing progression related to previous lesson? #ukedchat @nickotkdiv Nope. Everyone does. Seen two excellent teachers terrified of inspection. Are ofsted the new stormtroopers? #ukedchat RT @Mr_P_Teach: #ukedchat It confirms to staff that the SLT and the school are on the right path. RT @GeorgeEBlack: #ukedchat ... Care Commission is by far the more stressful, but also the most
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20:44:24 juliethomson101 20:44:29 markbrumley 20:44:32 GeographyCarrie 20:44:34 syded06 20:44:41 KempsterD 20:44:45 Kezmerrelda 20:44:49 DigitalLeaderUK 20:44:52 gallimhxx 20:45 djphillips1408
20:45:09 KempsterD 20:45:12 sciencetchr21 20:45:23 Vickycarl 20:45:24 ICTwitz 20:45:25 TheHeadsOffice 20:45:26 bekblayton 20:45:27 CanonsOPP 20:45:33 Leading_in_PE
satisfying to get right. >Interesting! #ukedchat why is satisfactory no longer good enough? Brainstorm with virtual stickies! Give it a try. http://t.co/XMvZbKi9 #ukedchat #cpchat @MrTomtheTeacher Cross fingers and toes, offer students bribes, pray....?! #ukedchat @CanonsOPP @nickotkdiv yes a summer of understanding and planning #solo lessons awaits because the students will benefit #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat But we know what that means from Gove/Wilshaw's PoV. Didactic, knowledge transfer. Kids being taught to the test. ;-( @bekblayton yes but would it? You can't be whizzy n amazing all the time. Would they realise that? Some lesson ar building blocks #ukedchat Join in with a little #DLchat tonight after #ukedchat to share your digital leader news, or for help to get started with your digi leaders #ukedchat I always do a cycle of observe, model a lesson, co-plan then co-teach with teachers I support. Why does OFSTED freak people? They dont hire/fire or give pay rises and if your grades are good then who cares what they say? #ukedchat RT @thought_weavers: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat oh definitely! A few years back my class told me I talk too much! I was lividbecause they were RIGHT! @joanne_rich @nickotkdiv and others who are average but shine for ofsted #ukedchat @normal_for_jp I like that. Can we give smiley faces or sad faces too? #ukedchat @Mad_teach How about getting a pupil/s to film you for a lesson / day, to see how your teaching is from their perspective? #ukedchat @juliethomson101 Where is the progress across. Time?#ukedchat @super_sixfive you dont think? I think theyd have to #ofsted #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon @nickotkdiv The force is strong in this one. #stormtroopers #darkside. #ukedchat Serve up a treat for ofsted - how to evidence progress in an inspection observation #ukedchat http://t.co/O39p6Ek2
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20:45:37 PeterSpencer88 20:45:41 Gwenelope 20:45:42 mrpeel
20:45:44 oldandrewuk 20:45:48 oldandrewuk 20:45:52 nickotkdIV 20:45:57 urban_teacher 20:45:57 LeonardoEffect 20:45:58 oldandrewuk 20:45:59 joanne_rich 20:46:01 MikeCraven5 20:46:01 MrWaldram 20:46:04 ethinking 20:46:04 ethinking 20:46:06 nickotkdIV 20:46:06 SwayGrantham 20:46:10 Askparentsfirst
@cherrylkd @TheHeadsOffice Absolutely agree. Is there a better way? Is Ofsted's main focus always the future of the children? #ukedchat RT @markbrumley: Brainstorm with virtual stickies! Give it a try. http://t.co/XMvZbKi9 #ukedchat #cpchat @gallimhxx i envy you your time #ukedchat RT @MikeCraven5: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat Absolutely agree. My previous school had a head who, because we were a #1 (achieved 2007), just got stressed... RT @MikeCraven5: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat ... about Ofsted, this made staff stressed and damaged the atmosphere. @sciencetchr21 @joanne_rich :-) #ukedchat Ofsted + League Tables = Funding.......Money Makes the world go around! #ukedchat "@eylanezekiel: #ukedchat If Ofsted were... more like TripAdvisor - would that be better?" What an interesting & creative idea. RT @CanonsOPP: @oldandrewuk Don't disagree with that. But only school leaders can change that. #ukedchat @sciencetchr21 @nickotkdiv #ukedchat Absolutely! #ukedchat Announcement shld be 'we r coming to see you and talk about how you can get better'. It is 'Boo! Ready or not, here we come!' @juliethomson101 that's what I've been thinking for a while... it's like 1 pass, 1 you'll do and 2 fails! #ukedchat #ukedchat @nwinton @kempsterd @theheadsoffice @georgeeblack we just need Finnish parents, kids & culture too #naive #ukedchat @nwinton @kempsterd @theheadsoffice @georgeeblack we just need Finnish parents, kids & culture too #naive @CanonsOPP @MichelleDhillon :-) #ukedchat @joanne_rich at least you believe in your teachers, it sometimes feels like Ofsted will over rule HT's perception of staff #ukedchat @Mad_teach Yep, and converters not safe, 2 gone from grade1-3 in Brum recently, cue take-over by chains. Ofsted as a tool of Govt? #ukedchat
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@Kezmerrelda theyre educationally minded. Many were heads, youd hope theyd realise that. #ukedchat If you're in the southwest, please come and share your wins of this year with us at #TMWestWilts, July 12th http://t.co/V5PBm7FT #ukedchat RT @B_Sharpie: @oldandrewuk I agree and that can take over.. #ukedchat RT @joanne_rich: @sciencetchr21 @nickotkdiv #ukedchat Absolutely! @GeographyCarrie That's a shame, it works! #ukedchat #ukedchat OFSTED need to provide schools with constructive feedback on the way forward, not a judgement boiled down to one number. RT @tmeeky Education, kids, learning;, people, life = too complex a dynamic to be judged by a tick sheet and a short drop-in. #ukedchat ;-) I think teachers shd think (like I do) well, if Ofstd come in + deem me crap, so bit it. Until then have faith in one's self #ukedchat @nwinton Finnish model worked because they confident they had the best graduates. Gove has different view on quality of teachers. #ukedchat Has anyone asked children wht they think abt Ofsted? They must feel the pressure 2 & B elated or crushed by the letters they get #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat too true and such a shame. Learning is being driven by OFSTED friendly ideas, not by professional judgement @djphillips1408 Funny that and it's often the SLTs that take your attitude that are outstanding. #ukedchat #ukedchat was thinking of something a little more vicious. @Vickycarl @KempsterD #ukedchat sadly I know you are right :-(( @TheHeadsOffice try to employ realistic inspectors who are not out of touch with demands of day to day life in classroom! #ukedchat RT @pcrossers: #ukedchat OFSTED need to provide schools with constructive feedback on the way forward, not a judgement boiled down to one number. @sciencetchr21 @joanne_rich @nickotkdiv isn't it a frustration that teachers who 'fail' students aren't
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20:46:50 mrpeel 20:46:51 TheHeadsOffice 20:46:52 MrTomtheTeacher 20:47:02 TaffTykeC 20:47:04 JOHNSAYERS 20:47:09 Kezmerrelda 20:47:10 MichelleDhillon 20:47:15 TeacherToolkit 20:47:21 tmeeky 20:47:32 ColinGoffin
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picked up by Ofsted #ukedchat @tmeeky #ukedchat i concur - and wish SLT would take the same attitude! We have 15 mins left. Lets have some constructive ideas to improve the system #ukedchat @Kezmerrelda @bekblayton So true - learning & producing good quality outcomes takes time, but OFSTED & often SMT want fireworks #ukedchat @bekblayton I agree. They could at least smile :) #ukedchat How often do you check the progress of your learners? Do they check themselves and plan a policy to improve? Teaching focus! #ukedchat @Mad_teach I know what u mean but at least you did all you can. I've made vids and communities on vle just for them b4 too #ukedchat RT @CanonsOPP: @MichelleDhillon @nickotkdiv The force is strong in this one. #stormtroopers #darkside. #ukedchat Consider going to your students prom this year? Read my @GuardianTeach blog? #ukedchat http://t.co/A5skL6Ht Let's not forget... majority of teachers committed, able, doing best.... so worry not #ukedchat @hgaldinoshea @oldandrewuk That's a tad generalised! #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. @MrG_ICT @nwinton yes unfortunately he was quoted saying the problem with teaching in this country is the teachers! #ukedchat #ukedchat idea 1: schools move towards reflective dialogic communities - autonomous @GeographyCarrie Suspect this is a deliberate ploy to ensure ever-replenishing supply of 'failing' schools for the academy chains #ukedchat @syded06 @sciencetchr21 @joanne_rich @nickotkdiv yes #ukedchat @normal_for_jp: #ukedchat Trip advisor style rate my inspector maybe? Ha ha! Love it! :D
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20:48:01 TheHeadsOffice 20:48:04 Benedick1 20:48:15 davidhunter 20:48:19 Teachertrying 20:48:19 nickotkdIV 20:48:22 MrWaldram 20:48:23 Dandan7171 20:48:24 joanne_rich 20:48:28 mrpeel 20:48:36 Vickycarl 20:48:39 nickotkdIV 20:48:40 GeorgeEBlack 20:48:48 Blenkaz 20:48:50 ePaceonline 20:48:50 Mad_teach 20:48:53 JamesTheo 20:48:53 nickotkdIV
RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 1: schools move towards reflective dialogic communities - autonomous RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat @ethinking I dont make excuses for myself.I tell what I see.if I was in charge of any org I wld wnt motivated staff.unlike wilshaw #ukedchat OFSTED loved it when they saw the students really asking each other questions. The life line was a good way forward with that #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice communication #ukedchat I'm wishing that O would grade me on how cool the kids think I am. #winner #ukedchat #ukedchat re #ofsted announcement with progress once again outweighing attainment . will this not conflict with govt raising floor targets? RT @SheliBB: @normal_for_jp: #ukedchat Trip advisor style rate my inspector maybe? Ha ha! Love it! :D #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @normal_for_jp I teach Y2, that is vicious!!! #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice cooperation and joint understanding! #ukedchat #ukedchat Ofsted should be making sure the pastoral side is right, the teaching side tends to follow. It should be a 2 fold thing. @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat ok all agree need to lose stigma do so by having spin off ch4 documentary swapping teachers for hmi #tongueincheek @mberry #ukedchat, yes, the two should be indistinguishable, great teaching doesn't always mean great learning!! RT @sciencetchr21: @joanne_rich @nickotkdiv and others who are average but shine for ofsted #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Transparency
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20:48:57 TheHeadsOffice 20:48:58 SwayGrantham 20:49:01 PeterSpencer88 20:49:09 toots2106 20:49:11 CanonsOPP 20:49:14 andywhiteway 20:49:15 dockers_hoops 20:49:16 Mad_teach 20:49:18 mrpeel 20:49:24 MichelleDhillon 20:49:30 Teachertrying 20:49:30 nickotkdIV 20:49:32 TeacherToolkit 20:49:32 davidhunter
20:49:34 Askparentsfirst 20:49:40 djphillips1408
RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @Mallrat_uk we were picked up for not using LO in lessons yet I know a school that's outstanding who's policy is to never use LOs #ukedchat @cherrylkd @nickotkdIV I think teachers definitely learn better/are willing to accept advice from other teachers than from Ofsted #ukedchat Jubilee maths . If A=1, B=2, C=3 etc, the word 'diamond' =60. What a coincidence! #ukedchat #mathchat via @mr_chadwick TES resources @TheHeadsOffice Make education policy independent of government through an elected panel of serving teachers. #ukedchat Foreign teachers I have spoken to are absolutely baffled even by the idea of ofsted. Accountability yes, but part of open process #ukedchat Ofsted needs to have a developmental aim as well as judging standards. If there are issues we all have responsibility to improve #ukedchat #ukedchat @ictwitz good idea! #ukedchat idea 3 inspectors inspect and pass some form of summative judgement before working alongside Ts in formative role @nickotkdiv Exactly, not sure how they make excellent teachers doubt themselves. I know one who has locked himself away to prep! #ukedchat I agree that in some respects the system has created teachers with the mindset of sage on the stage. this is wrong #ukedchat @tmeeky well said!! #ukedchat RT @GuardianTeach: @TeacherToolkit Great blog! Thank you. http://t.co/ASJJEkAI #ukedchat #ukedchat found it amusing that my auto correct wrote 'rickshaw'in place of wilshaw @syded06 @KempsterD @@Askparentsfirst @TheHeadsOffice Re-thinking the new perf management changes would be a good place to start #ukedchat @eslweb had many a lesson graded unsatisfactory because odd kid does f*** all. Dont care, get the
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20:49:41 perrin124 20:49:42 sciencetchr21 20:49:47 urban_teacher 20:49:48 TeacherToolkit 20:49:48 Monty_Math 20:49:48 syded06 20:49:49 Primary_Ed 20:49:50 CanonsOPP 20:49:57 MichaelaPorter2 20:49:59 ePaceonline 20:50 digitaldaisies
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grades and popular subject. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. @juliethomson101 @sciencetchr21 test it, be ill, see if lesson plan is used!#ukedchat Encouragement, Active Participation amongst staff, Sense of Belonging and Pulling Together can change a school culture overnight. #ukedchat RT @apprentice_life: RT @ClasswatchUK: RT @GuardianTeach: @TeacherToolkit Great blog! Thank you. http://t.co/zBHSSTxz #ukedchat #ukedchat to improve remove gradings, share good practice between schools, identify areas for improvement @TheHeadsOffice improve Ofsted - remove the overall grade and give every school an improvement plan to work on as well as praise #ukedchat peer and self assessment which offers real time feedback quickly and effectively #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice Then let that group decide how to replace or reform Ofsted. #ukedchat @googie31 @TheHeadsOffice agreed, use too many inspectors haven't taught in years #ukedchat RT @tmeeky: Education, kids, learning;, people, life = too complex a dynamic to be judged by a tick sheet and a short drop-in. #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice Have a locally based inspection system, based on national standards, linked to advisory service with devel remit #ukedchat @LeonardoEffect thanks - but I have to cite @zennaatkins as source of the idea of Osted being more like TripAdvisor #ukedchat #ukedchat idea 4 separate teaching and learning form the "admin" side of inspection. Make classroom skills formative and sharing #ukedchat Anyone else detect a difference between HMI (who kinda get it and think for themselves) and the outsourced ISPs? #ukedchat but we all work with teachers who we know are cheating the system? They must be accountable? Ofsteds role?
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20:50:13 digitaldaisies 20:50:17 nickotkdIV 20:50:17 TheHeadsOffice 20:50:19 Dandan7171 20:50:23 bellaale 20:50:23 SwayGrantham 20:50:26 joanne_rich 20:50:28 anhalf 20:50:32 Mad_teach 20:50:35 cherrylkd 20:50:37 sciencetchr21 20:50:37 JOHNSAYERS
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RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @MichelleDhillon silly behaviour that is totally OFSTEDs doing #pressure #ukedchat @nickotkdIV: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Transparency What would that look like? Seriously #ukedchat #ofsted when mr Gove raises floor targets after seeing exam marks. Will new ofsted have to change again? Fit for purpose? RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @nickotkdIV every teacher should know what their HT would tell other HTs were their strengths communication is key! #ukedchat @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 3 inspectors inspect and pass some form of summative judgement before working alongside Ts in formative role Yes!! @nickotkdIV @syded06 @raisechildrens i work in open plan sch...v.used to 'bein on show' #ukedchat "@MrWaldram: I'm wishing that O would grade me on how cool the kids think I am. #winner #ukedchat" I'd storm it! @PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat I think so. Best way to learn, from a trusted fellow professional rather than a stranger @cherrylkd @nickotkdiv I agree, with minimum paperwork #ukedchat Personal feeling is that Ofsted should be focussed on subject inspections only through a 5 year period all deps reviewed #ukedchat go deep RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Teachers end up doing things like writing "verbal feedback" in books after talking to kids about their work. Pointless. #ukedchat it would be nice if ofsted commented on school libraries too and their place in learning #ukedchat it would be nice if ofsted commented on
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school libraries too and their place in learning #ukedchat We are trialling new lesson plans to build in at least 3 'check progress' sessions within a lesson. Can't wait to see the impact. @djphillips1408 That's the ultimate measure. Which is why you really don't need to care. #ukedchat #ukedchat ideas 4 improvement; use outstanding teachers as inspectors, provide supportive feedback, remove fear factor, take students views Coaching is great, you pick up so many useful teaching tools. Also show and tell staff meetings are great too!! #ukedchat @Monty_Math or do they do what they're told Ofsted want? #ukedchat RT @JamesTheo: "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what do kids need?" @georgeeblack abso-blooming-lutely #ukedchat RT @bbeclrc: #ukedchat it would be nice if ofsted commented on school libraries too and their place in learning @syded06 @TheHeadsOffice Good idea - wish I'd thought of that! #ukedchat RT @Primary_Ed: peer and self assessment which offers real time feedback quickly and effectively #ukedchat @ethinking No, I'm paid 2 do the job that's best for MY kids.I've seen 2 many Govt initiatives come+ (usually) go. The kids remain #ukedchat @Educationchat @Askparentsfirst #ukedchat And check this out! http://t.co/mabdvh9B & http://t.co/6OJrjqhl Another Tory in the Labour Party! RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) @MrWaldram I wish schools would give me a job based on those same criteria! #ukedchat RT @toots2106: Jubilee maths . If A=1, B=2, C=3 etc, the word 'diamond' =60. What a coincidence! #ukedchat #mathchat via @mr_chadwick... RT @DigitalLeaderUK: Join in with a little #DLchat
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tonight after #ukedchat to share your digital leader news, or for help to get started with your digi leaders @mberry: #ukedchat Anyone else detect a difference between HMI (who kinda get it and think for themselves) and the outsourced ISPs? >> Yes @tmeeky it's hard to have faith when you know you're constantly being monitored and judged though #ukedchat What is your most favourite teaching Ipad app and why? #ukedchat #edchat #edtech #edteach @lizdudley #ukedchat not just outstanding - many brilliant natural performers do not pass on their secrets well - it comes so easily. #ukedchat @syded06 @theheadsoffice the HT is paid to write an improvement plan - not ofsteds job RT @ethinking #ukedchat @nwinton @kempsterd @theheadsoffice @georgeeblack we just need Finnish parents, kids & culture 2 Get rid of D Mail 2 RT @JamesTheo: "@oldandrewuk OFSTED has created system where first thought of SMT is "what would OFSTED want?" #ukedchat" Rather than "what do kids need?" RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive feedback. @KempsterD @cherrylkd @langnut This is the iPad ofsted lesson template http://t.co/lQLGT834 #ukedchat #ukedchat Get rid of the overall judgement grade and allow more focused grades for individual areas with clear improvement ideas RT @cherrylkd: @PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat I think so. Best way to learn, from a trusted fellow professional rather than a stranger @nwinton @theheadsoffice Sweden has a very democratic, not autocratic approach to education. HT can be sacked if too dictatorial. #ukedchat @nickotkdIV @cherrylkd plus they know what they're talking about (most of the time!) #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice the OFSTED person sharing what they are really looking for not just a few loose
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20:52:32 mrpeel 20:52:35 nightzookeeper
20:52:37 SwayGrantham 20:52:43 MrEllison1983 20:52:50 dbp77 20:52:51 nickotkdIV 20:52:51 ePaceonline 20:52:55 CanonsOPP 20:52:59 anhalf 20:53:01 juliethomson101 20:53:05 TaffTykeC 20:53:06 anhalf 20:53:11 SirWilshaw 20:53:13 cherrylkd 20:53:31 TheHeadsOffice
statements of intent #ukedchat #ukedchat forgot #ukedchat again sorry - not just oustanding teachers as inspectors - make it part of teaching - learning works both ways. @TheHeadsOffice sorry to have missed #ukedchat this evening, please let me know when I can read the summary. Hope you are well RT @MrWaldram: RT @toots2106: Jubilee maths . If A=1, B=2, C=3 etc, the word 'diamond' =60. What a coincidence! #ukedchat #mathchat via @mr_chadwick... #ukedchat Had two inspectors from schools in very affluent areas inspected a school in poor urban area. It doesn't match up in context RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. @SwayGrantham Too True! :-) #ukedchat @bekblayton #ukedchat that's a lovely thought, we will have to wait to see if it becomes reality! @ethinking @syded06 @theheadsoffice The best improvement plans come from all of the staff, not just the Head. #ukedchat @lizdudley agree..ofsted shd be seconded teachers woking to promote quality first teaching and provide +ve improvemnt suggestions #ukedchat @sciencetchr21 2 days off in 8 years - another reason for me not to plan as if I'll be I'll! #ukedchat RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat idea 2 inspectors to be drawn from teaching community a la jury service ( nicked that one) RT @Vickycarl: Coaching is great, you pick up so many useful teaching tools. Also show and tell staff meetings are great too!! #ukedchat @OfstedWatch I'm allowed to poke my nose anywhere... apart from @katyperry unfortunately #ukedchat #ukedchat possibly give 3 days notice but spend longer in sch. Get to know ch, teachers & ethos and make informed judgement on observations @KempsterD Recent reports are if ding u duly kids &unhappy parents in Finland so it may be changing
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20:53:55 Mad_teach 20:53:57 nwinton
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#ukedchat @ethinking @theheadsoffice @CanonsOPP Improvement plan = 20 points to work on from Ofsted that the HT then integrates #ukedchat RT @Gallowsorguillo: @Educationchat @Askparentsfirst #ukedchat And check this out! http://t.co/mabdvh9B & http://t.co/6OJrjqhl Another Tory in the Labour Party! @mad_teach #wix #ukedchat #ukedchat I think good monitoring/observation should leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and disillusioned. #ukedchat @tmeeky er sorry do shine they aren't ur kids- they R someone else's - you R in position of trust to do the job defined by ur boss RT @lizdudley: #ukedchat ideas 4 improvement; use outstanding teachers as inspectors, provide supportive feedback, remove fear factor, take students views @Vickycarl @MrG_ICT Likewise, the problem with the UK government is the ministers! ;-) #ukedchat RT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat I think good monitoring/observation should leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and disillusioned. @TheHeadsOffice @mrpeel what if 'outstanding' teachers did year sabbatical, 4months each inspecting/mentoring, exams, resources? #ukedchat @djphillips1408 Ofsted don't... But school leaders may in the light of a poor grade. #ukedchat @pcrossers hooray #ukedchat involvement praiseworthy sir RT @Gallowsorguillo: @Educationchat @Askparentsfirst #ukedchat And check this out! http://t.co/mabdvh9B & http://t.co/6OJrjqhl Another Tory in the Labour Party! RT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat I think good monitoring/observation should leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and disillusioned. RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat possibly give 3 days notice but spend longer in sch. Get to know ch, teachers &
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ethos and make informed judgement on observations @theheadsoffice thought that's where they went to do MrWaldram the pupil council interviews? #ukedchat @KempsterD @syded06 @langnut #ukedchat the inspectors who visit us will need 2 learn abt tech cherrylkd quickly. Spec sch rely on it for everything @anhalf #ukedchat What is quality first teacher? different Ofsted teams seem to interpreter this Orlama differently. Consistency would help. RT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat I think good monitoring/observation should leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and gceyre disillusioned. New ofsted criteria inc engaging pupils using online technology & supporting good behaviour with online MichelleDhillon recognition. Sounds fab :) #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat possibly give 3 days notice but spend longer in sch. Get to know ch, teachers & nickotkdIV ethos and make informed judgement on observations RT @MrWaldram: RT @toots2106: Jubilee maths . If A=1, B=2, C=3 etc, the word 'diamond' =60. What a coincidence! #ukedchat #mathchat via bellaale @mr_chadwick... Also in Sweden, schools and teachers are inspected but not graded. All decisions democratically made, Gwenelope including in lessons. #ukedchat RT @raisechildrens #ukedchat I think gd monitoring/observation shld leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and anhalf disillusioned. #ukedchat Get rid of the overall judgement grade and allow more focused grades for individual areas with urban_teacher clear improvement ideas Should OFSTED have a more AFL approach? Work Vickycarl with teachers ? #ukedchat ukedchat Last 5 minutes of #ukedchat. Final thoughts? @ethinking They're mine 9 - 4 (as per contract ;o) They are certainly not the prop of an out-of-touch tmeeky Govt/Inspc regime #ukedchat RWM_LearningLab RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat peer observation and coaching are the way forward. Conducted in positive atmosphere with constructive
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feedback. #ukedchat exciting meetings over next few weeks developing courses alongside our emerging leaders. A 20:55:06 Staying_Ahead pure pleasure! #edchat #schools RT @cherrylkd: @PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat I think so. Best way to learn, from a trusted fellow 20:55:10 RWM_LearningLab professional rather than a stranger @emmaannhardy please don't bring politics in now 20:55:21 syded06 with 5 mins left :))) #ukedchat RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap 20:55:34 SiaranML and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat @teachingofsci there are occasional seconded 20:55:45 anhalf positions...this is great idea #ukedchat @Vickycarl Yes, definitely! #ukedchat This is the required change... Ofsted should go AfL and work 20:55:56 GeographyCarrie WITH teachers RT @nwinton: @Vickycarl @MrG_ICT Likewise, the problem with the UK government is the ministers! ;-) 20:55:59 emmaannhardy #ukedchat @ethinking @theheadsoffice @canonsopp a paycut because they are given an improvement plan from an 20:56:09 syded06 inspecting body? #ukedchat @ethinking You need to feel more comfortable with thinking for yourself and having own take on things 20:56:14 tmeeky #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat possibly give 3 days notice but spend longer in sch. Get to know ch, teachers & 20:56:19 talktofile ethos and make informed judgement on observations RT @anhalf: RT @raisechildrens #ukedchat I think gd monitoring/observation shld leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and 20:56:23 Blenkaz disillusioned. @Langnut @djphillips1408 Also tends to increase the amount of observations you have and the workload 20:56:25 SwayGrantham which you usually get #ukedchat @Dandan7171 @nickotkdiv #ukedchat no! Not unless they take account of teacher's history in teaching. This 20:56:34 cherrylkd is unhelpful & creating distrust #ukedchat ensure the inspection teams are comfortable with the type and age range of school 20:56:40 joanne_rich we're SEN & one appeared terrified of ASD
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@Vickycarl Definitelyas long as it is embedded and not a 'gimmick'. Indivisibility of principles. #ukedchat RT @MrWaldram: RT @toots2106: Jubilee maths . If A=1, B=2, C=3 etc, the word 'diamond' =60. What a coincidence! #ukedchat #mathchat via @mr_chadwick... RT @normal_for_jp: #ukedchat Draw from all teachers, no way to refuse. - the originator of the best idea this evening RT @anhalf: RT @raisechildrens #ukedchat I think gd monitoring/observation shld leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and disillusioned. @vickycarl Wish they could see the enthusiasm of teachers in school everyday and then spending evenings Tweeting sharing , #ukedchat @Orlama teaching where chn lov learning, make prog, are engaged, given ops etc etc. #ukedchat I thought whilst we were all here, I'd share the Waldram Dictionary with you. Open it for a read later http://t.co/M0e9sgtV #ukedchat @GeographyCarrie Wouldnt that mean them in school even longer? #ukedchat @tmeeky: @ethinking You need to feel more comfortable with thinking for yourself and having own take on things #ukedchat >> Yup!!! So why not replace Ofsted inspections with rigorous peer review? Teachers inspect teachers; heads inspect heads. #ukedchat Should the language change away from 'inspection' and 'inspectors' ? #ukedchat @syded06 @kempsterd @langnut #ukedchat Thank you very much. I'll look after this @juliethomson101 @sciencetchr21 have u ever taught someone else's lesson? It's a nightmare! #ukedchat #Ukedchat looking forward to meeting new people in Birmingham in two weeks. We are going to be really nosey re new products and services. RT @Orlama: @anhalf #ukedchat What is quality first teacher? different Ofsted teams seem to interpreter this differently. Consistency would help.
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20:57:39 SwayGrantham 20:57:56 Gwenelope 20:57:56 anhalf 20:58 ukedchat
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20:58:09 SwayGrantham 20:58:13 lizdudley 20:58:20 mrpeel 20:58:24 SuperBad_ 20:58:26 bekblayton 20:58:27 Askparentsfirst 20:58:31 Stephen_Logan 20:58:31 SirWilshaw 20:58:31 plestered
RT @GeographyCarrie: @Vickycarl Yes, definitely! #ukedchat This is the required change... Ofsted should go AfL and work WITH teachers RT @nwinton: @Vickycarl @MrG_ICT Likewise, the problem with the UK government is the ministers! ;-) #ukedchat RT @SirWilshaw: Thinking about changing the gradings to a more realistic: Impossible/you'll do/Crap and... OMG you're really crap! #ukedchat Join @ICTmagic for next week's #ukedchat - See the topic poll at http://t.co/7WAHFPy8 @nicnacraph here is a good start to how to use Ipads and Iphones in the classroom http://t.co/ZC5lvtUh #ukedchat #edchat #edtech RT @mberry: So why not replace Ofsted inspections with rigorous peer review? Teachers inspect teachers; heads inspect heads. #ukedchat RT @anhalf: RT @raisechildrens #ukedchat I think gd monitoring/observation shld leave you feeling empowered and enthused not drained and disillusioned. #ukedchat can we send them this twitter feed please? #ukedchat came to teaching after 15 yrs as opera singer -OFSTED is preferable to reading your review in the daily papers RT @ukedchat: Join @ICTmagic for next week's #ukedchat - See the topic poll at http://t.co/7WAHFPy8 Been through 2 new ofsted so far, could talk to staff more, they observe with SLT but could do so with teachers. Feedback more #ukedchat @lizdudley All great ideas, but it'd defeat the primary object of supplying sufficient fodder for rapidly fattening academy chains #ukedchat I had an ICT specialist observe my lesson a month ago under the new framework. Knew her stuff and the curriculum. #ukedchat @theheadsoffice final 5 minutes - not enough time for your plenary! #ukedchat @davidhunter @ePaceonline #ukedchat. arts specialist school in solihull- drama teacher drop into lessons and act a role to enhance learning.
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20:58:32 KempsterD 20:58:34 TheHeadsOffice 20:58:39 MichaelaPorter2 20:58:42 GeographyCarrie 20:58:46 Langnut 20:58:47 Vickycarl 20:58:52 Mad_teach 20:59 20:59 WayneHarrison10 ukedchat
20:59:03 8rinaldi 20:59:05 anhalf 20:59:12 wikishareideas 20:59:13 aknill 20:59:13 Monty_Math 20:59:16 Gwenelope 20:59:23 MrWaldram
RT @cherrylkd: @KempsterD @syded06 @langnut #ukedchat the inspectors who visit us will need 2 learn abt tech quickly. Spec sch rely on it for everything @mberry How do you build trust to give the tough messages? #ukedchat @joanne_rich that is shocking, how can you inspect sen school without knowledge and understanding?! #ukedchat @mberry That's an interesting idea, that I actually think could work. Sometimes your best critics are your peers #ukedchat @djphillips1408 a poor grade if it means your job is on the line #ukedchat @MrG_ICT I agree, I use twitter as my own personal learning network, in my own time, as I always want to learn more. #ukedchat #ukedchat inspectors should have RECENT teaching experience of the age range they're inspecting. RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat notice or not, Ofsted is stressful for schools, I would like it to be an educational improvement partner rather than a judge. #ukedchat is always looking for new hosts for the chat as well as welcoming back old hands. If you are interested get in touch. @AndrewManson1 Sounds like you are back in the 1920's with inspection/inspectors #ukedchat @mberry becos they not trust, this wld be the ideal #ukedchat RT @LeonardoEffect: "@eylanezekiel: #ukedchat If Ofsted were... more like TripAdvisor - would that be better?" What an interesting & creative idea. RT @GeographyCarrie: @Vickycarl Yes, definitely! #ukedchat This is the required change... Ofsted should go AfL and work WITH teachers #ukedchat can someone forward this Twitter feed to messrs #gove #gibb and #wilshaw ? RT @ukedchat: Join @ICTmagic for next week's #ukedchat - See the topic poll at http://t.co/7WAHFPy8 @therobharrison @sam_trigg I have... @sheltonjunior only has a few followers though. Need to get it more established. #ukedchat
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20:59:29 Vickycarl 20:59:34 MrG_ICT 20:59:42 bellaale 20:59:47 CanonsOPP 20:59:59 syded06 21:00:02 SurrealAnarchy 21:00:06 ukedchat
@Stephen_Logan what kind of feedback did you get? #ukedchat @nwinton @Vickycarl Would love to see a teacher as Education Sec. has there been one. Maybe OFSTED would be given a different role #ukedchat RT @mberry: So why not replace Ofsted inspections with rigorous peer review? Teachers inspect teachers; heads inspect heads. #ukedchat @jamescalliste @oldandrewuk Then we're headed to hell in a handcart!!! #ukedchat @ethinking @theheadsoffice @canonsopp think it's ok to have an improvement plan be inspected and then add to the improvement plan #ukedchat #ukedchat I think inspectors should wear uniforms with proper peaked caps & brass buttons #raisestandards It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @TheHeadsOffice for hosting the 100th #ukedchat - Now that's outstanding! Archive will be @ http://t.co/gQkeKVIL
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