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Em xin cho cc thy c v cc bn -Em ang lm bi v tnh ton thit k cu cong. Khi em a vo midas tnh. Em m hnh ha mt ct ( mt ct Composite bn mt b tng-hp thp). E gn vo phn t thanh, nhng n bc gn vt liu, ch c th 1 loi vt liu BT hoc thp. E c nghe ni, mnh phi gn v 1 loi vt liu c bn ( Basic material, sau mi quy i ra BT v thp, theo modun n hi, e vng mc ch ny -M hnh v siu cao ca kt cu, nn dng chnh lch cao dm hay nn dng gi xoay gc -E mi lm v cu cong nn cn rt nhiu b ng v sai st Knh mong cc thy c c th hng dn hoc cho em file, m hnh ha cu cong, 1 v d n gin no , qua mail ca em l : horizonlfc@gmail.com Mong sm nhn c hi m ca qu thy c
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10-03-2011 10:06 AM

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Em xin cho cc thy c v cc bn -Em ang lm bi v tnh ton thit k cu cong. Khi em a vo midas tnh. Em m hnh ha mt ct ( mt ct Composite bn mt b tng-hp thp). E gn vo phn t thanh, nhng n bc gn vt liu, ch c th 1 loi vt liu BT hoc thp. E c nghe ni, mnh phi gn v 1 loi vt liu c bn ( Basic material, sau mi quy i ra BT v thp,
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theo modun n hi, e vng mc ch ny -M hnh v siu cao ca kt cu, nn dng chnh lch cao dm hay nn dng gi xoay gc -E mi lm v cu cong nn cn rt nhiu b ng v sai st Knh mong cc thy c c th hng dn hoc cho em file, m hnh ha cu cong, 1 v d n gin no , qua mail ca em l : horizonlfc@gmail.com Mong sm nhn c hi m ca qu thy c

Cho bn, Nu tnh ton th cng th phi lm nh bn ni. Nu bn s dng phn mm lm cng c tnh ton th s phi ch vi vn trong m hnh ha: - Mt ct: bn phi chn dng mt ct lin hp (Composite) v nhp d liu cho n. Bn nn nghin cu Tutorial v cu lin hp trong MIDAS (c sn khi ci phn mm). Cc thng s v tnh i vt liu ca tng phn trong mt ct cn c nhp khi to mt ct dng ny. - M hnh cc phn t trn ng trong: nu bn s dng MIDAS th l Create Line Elements on Curve - V m hnh ha siu cao: vn siu cao lin quan n lc ly tm. Trong MIDAS cha h tr nhp siu cao trc tip trn mt ct. Bn c th nhp gi tr lc ly tm bng th cng. V c trng hnh hc ca mt ct b thay i do siu cao, theo mnh bn c th b qua iu ny m vn m bo chnh xc mt cch tng i. - Ngoi ra, khi m hnh ha giai on thi cng bn phi m t chnh xc s lm vic ca mt ct trong tng giai on (khi no th ch c phn 1 - dm thp, khi no th bao gm c phn 2 bn b tng). (Ch ti v d trong Tutorial) Hy vng bn c th tip tc nghin cu hon thin kin thc ca mnh phc v cho cng vic thit k. Trong khun kh hi p nh th ny th mnh khng th a ra c hng dn no qu chi tit c (v qu di v tn thi gian).

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Em xin cho cc thy c v cc bn -Em ang lm bi v tnh ton thit k cu cong. Khi em a vo midas tnh. Em m hnh ha mt ct ( mt ct Composite bn mt b tng-hp thp). E gn vo phn t thanh, nhng n bc gn vt liu, ch c th 1 loi vt liu BT hoc thp. E c nghe ni, mnh phi gn v 1 loi vt liu c bn ( Basic material, sau mi quy i ra BT v thp, theo modun n hi, e vng mc ch ny -M hnh v siu cao ca kt cu, nn dng chnh lch cao dm hay nn dng gi xoay gc -E mi lm v cu cong nn cn rt nhiu b ng v sai st Knh mong cc thy c c th hng dn hoc cho em file, m hnh ha cu cong, 1 v d n gin no , qua mail ca
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em l : horizonlfc@gmail.com Mong sm nhn c hi m ca qu thy c

Em cm n thy nhiu a -Mt ct: trong mt ct composite trong midas c phn nhp d liu cho cc bn trc hng, trong khi e mun nhp mt ct c cc sn tng cng dc, ngang,cho, nu th e phi nhp qua SPC a? E c phi chia mt ct BT v thp thnh 2 phn t ring bit k a? e nh ny c c k a: e s dng 2 phn t thanh,bn mt b tng ng vi 1 loi pt, thp ng vi 1 loi phn t, gia chng e s khai bo lin kt ( e cha bit khai bo lin kt nh no, c th l "neo mm" trong midas l loi lin kt no "?) nu chia thnh 2 phn t vic gn vt liu s tr nn d dng hn nhiu. -M hnh cc phn t trn ng trong: nu s dng Create Line Elements on Curve th n s l cc phn t thng ni tip nhau thnh ng cong, hay l cc on cong nh ni vi nhau ? E mun khai bo l cc on thng ni tip nhau thnh on cong, v gia chng chc chn phi khai bo mi ni v lin kt . Th lm th no . _V siu cao: Tc l m hnh ha l bn mt phng, + chu tc dng 1 lc ly tm, lc ny mnh nhp trc tip trong midas ? E ko hiu ny lm -Nu c thy cho em xin 1 file mu midas v nhp mc v vt liu cho mc lin hp c k ? .C g vng mc e c th hi kin cc thy ngay ti y ko ? e cm n nhiu E cho thy
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12-03-2011 10:40 PM

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Em cm n thy nhiu a -Mt ct: trong mt ct composite trong midas c phn nhp d liu cho cc bn trc hng, trong khi e mun nhp mt ct c cc sn tng cng dc, ngang,cho, nu th e phi nhp qua SPC a? E c phi chia mt ct BT v thp thnh 2 phn t ring bit k a? e nh ny c c k a: e s dng 2 phn t thanh,bn mt b tng ng vi 1 loi pt, thp ng vi 1 loi phn t, gia chng e s khai bo lin kt ( e cha bit khai bo lin kt nh no, c th l "neo mm" trong midas l loi lin kt no "?) nu chia thnh 2 phn t vic gn vt liu s tr nn d dng hn nhiu. -M hnh cc phn t trn ng trong: nu s dng Create Line Elements on Curve th n s l cc phn t thng ni tip nhau thnh ng cong, hay l cc on cong nh ni vi nhau ? E mun khai bo l cc on thng ni tip nhau thnh on cong, v gia chng chc chn phi khai bo mi ni v lin kt . Th lm th no . _V siu cao: Tc l m hnh ha l bn mt phng, + chu tc dng 1 lc ly tm, lc ny mnh nhp trc tip trong midas ? E ko hiu ny lm -Nu c thy cho em xin 1 file mu midas v nhp mc v vt liu cho mc lin hp c k ? .C g vng mc e c th hi kin cc thy ngay ti y ko ? e cm n nhiu E cho thy

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Cho bn 1. Vn v m hnh ha PTHH cho cu lin hp - Nu bn s dng m hnh dm th s dng mt ct dng composite l ng ri. Vic m t cc neo l khng th v khi mt ct lm vic lin hp th c phn bn b tng v dm theo s c coi nh 1 mt ct cn giai on 1 ch c dm thp lm vic. Ch : vic nhp d liu cho bn ch n thun l nhp d liu cho mt phn ca mt ct (phn II) ch khng phi l bn trc hng nh bn ni. Vi cc lin kt dm ngang v h lin kt dc di, bn nn s dng cc phn t thanh. Vi cc sn tng cng, khi tnh ton th khng m t vo trong mt ct (bn nn tm hiu r ngha ca sn tng cng trong cc gio trnh cu thp) - Nu bn mun m hnh ha mt cch chi tit s lm vic gia dm-bn th nn m hnh dm lin hp thnh m hnh gm cc dm thp (phn t dm) lin kt vi cc phn t m t bn (phn t tm). Cc lin kt ny nn c m t thng qua cc phn t neo (nu c thm m t v dnh bm b tng - thp th cng hay). Cch m t ny s phn nh c tng tc gia dm v bn cng nh s lm vic ca neo. Tuy nhin n s lm mt thi gian v phc tp tng ln. Thc t cc gio trnh cu thp hin nay u ang hng dn m hnh ha theo cch th nht v n n gin m vn phn nh c s lm vic ca kt cu vi chnh xc ph hp. * Theo mnh hiu th bn cm thy m t mt ct lin hp theo cch th nht c v phc tp nhng nu bn chu kh tm hiu trong Tutorial v phn cu lin hp v hiu v bn cht chuyn mn khi m hnh ha th vic s n gin hn rt nhiu (m thc t l n rt n gin, ng quan trng ha hoc lm phc tp ha vn ). 2. M t phn t trn ng cong - Thc t hin nay cng c t phn mm s dng phn t cong v n tng i rc ri. Vic m t kt cu cong s c thc hin mt cch gn ng thng qua vic chia nh ng cong thnh nhng phn t thng ni tip vi nhau. Tt nhin nu ng cong lin tc v mt lin kt th cc on thng m t n s c ni cng vi nhau. Vi vic m hnh nh vy, bi ton s tr nn n gin m vn m bo chnh xc nu s lng chia ln (khi chia nhiu th khi lng tnh ton s tng ln nhng iu ny bn khng cn bn tm v vic tnh ton s do phn mm thc hin; bn ch cn lm mt vic rt quan trng l "m hnh ha ng"). 3. V lc ly tm do hot ti chy trn ng cong Nh mnh ni, MIDAS cha h tr ngi dng pht sinh loi lc ny trn ng cong, v vy bn phi nhp bng tay tc lm tnh ra lc v quy thnh mt lc t vo v tr bt li trn kt cu (iu ny cng khng d nhng cng khng qu kh). 4. V file mu, bn nn ly ngay file trong th mc Tutorial ca MIDAS (bao gm file m hnh - mcb, file hng dn chi tit pdf). Theo mnh, nh vy c l l rt (file thuyt minh hng dn dng pdf bngi ting Anh). 5. Bn c th trao i thoi mi trn din n ny (cng nh cc din n rt b ch khc). Trung tm s c gng tr li bn sm nht c th (nu khng tr li c th s hi hoc ch cho bn ni tm cu tr li). Tuy nhin, do cng vic bn nn nhiu khi chng ti khng th c phn hi ngay c.
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Chc sc khe, PS: Cc file mu ca Tutorial thng nm trong th mc "C:\Program Files\MIDAS\MIDAS Civil\Tutorial", file ng vi cu lin hp l "7 Steel I-Girder Composite Bridge.mcb". Cc file hng dn thng nm trong th mc "C:\Program Files\MIDAS\MIDAS Civil\Manual\Tutorials", file ng vi cu lin hp l "7 Steel I-Girder Composite Bridge.pdf" Trong trng hp cc bn c thc mc ln cn trao i trc tip, c th lin h vi cc thy trong b mn THTKC (nh phi hn trc v cc thy c hay bn) hoc bt k thy c no m bn tin tng.

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14-03-2011 09:05 PM

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Cho bn 1. Vn v m hnh ha PTHH cho cu lin hp - Nu bn s dng m hnh dm th s dng mt ct dng composite l ng ri. Vic m t cc neo l khng th v khi mt ct lm vic lin hp th c phn bn b tng v dm theo s c coi nh 1 mt ct cn giai on 1 ch c dm thp lm vic. Ch : vic nhp d liu cho bn ch n thun l nhp d liu cho mt phn ca mt ct (phn II) ch khng phi l bn trc hng nh bn ni. Vi cc lin kt dm ngang v h lin kt dc di, bn nn s dng cc phn t thanh. Vi cc sn tng cng, khi tnh ton th khng m t vo trong mt ct (bn nn tm hiu r ngha ca sn tng cng trong cc gio trnh cu thp) - Nu bn mun m hnh ha mt cch chi tit s lm vic gia dm-bn th nn m hnh dm lin hp thnh m hnh gm cc dm thp (phn t dm) lin kt vi cc phn t m t bn (phn t tm). Cc lin kt ny nn c m t thng qua cc phn t neo (nu c thm m t v dnh bm b tng - thp th cng hay). Cch m t ny s phn nh c tng tc gia dm v bn cng nh s lm vic ca neo. Tuy nhin n s lm mt thi gian v phc tp tng ln. Thc t cc gio trnh cu thp hin nay u ang hng dn m hnh ha theo cch th nht v n n gin m vn phn nh c s lm vic ca kt cu vi chnh xc ph hp. * Theo mnh hiu th bn cm thy m t mt ct lin hp theo cch th nht c v phc tp nhng nu bn chu kh tm hiu trong Tutorial v phn cu lin hp v hiu v bn cht chuyn mn khi m hnh ha th vic s n gin hn rt nhiu (m thc t l n rt n gin, ng quan trng ha hoc lm phc tp ha vn ). 2. M t phn t trn ng cong

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- Thc t hin nay cng c t phn mm s dng phn t cong v n tng i rc ri. Vic m t kt cu cong s c thc hin mt cch gn ng thng qua vic chia nh ng cong thnh nhng phn t thng ni tip vi nhau. Tt nhin nu ng cong lin tc v mt lin kt th cc on thng m t n s c ni cng vi nhau. Vi vic m hnh nh vy, bi ton s tr nn n gin m vn m bo chnh xc nu s lng chia ln (khi chia nhiu th khi lng tnh ton s tng ln nhng iu ny bn khng cn bn tm v vic tnh ton s do phn mm thc hin; bn ch cn lm mt vic rt quan trng l "m hnh ha ng"). 3. V lc ly tm do hot ti chy trn ng cong Nh mnh ni, MIDAS cha h tr ngi dng pht sinh loi lc ny trn ng cong, v vy bn phi nhp bng tay tc lm tnh ra lc v quy thnh mt lc t vo v tr bt li trn kt cu (iu ny cng khng d nhng cng khng qu kh). 4. V file mu, bn nn ly ngay file trong th mc Tutorial ca MIDAS (bao gm file m hnh - mcb, file hng dn chi tit - pdf). Theo mnh, nh vy c l l rt (file thuyt minh hng dn dng pdf bngi ting Anh). 5. Bn c th trao i thoi mi trn din n ny (cng nh cc din n rt b ch khc). Trung tm s c gng tr li bn sm nht c th (nu khng tr li c th s hi hoc ch cho bn ni tm cu tr li). Tuy nhin, do cng vic bn nn nhiu khi chng ti khng th c phn hi ngay c. Chc sc khe, PS: Cc file mu ca Tutorial thng nm trong th mc "C:\Program Files\MIDAS\MIDAS Civil\Tutorial", file ng vi cu lin hp l "7 Steel I-Girder Composite Bridge.mcb". Cc file hng dn thng nm trong th mc "C:\Program Files\MIDAS\MIDAS Civil\Manual\Tutorials", file ng vi cu lin hp l "7 Steel I-Girder Composite Bridge.pdf" Trong trng hp cc bn c thc mc ln cn trao i trc tip, c th lin h vi cc thy trong b mn THTKC (nh phi hn trc v cc thy c hay bn) hoc bt k thy c no m bn tin tng.

E cm n thy rt nhiu,thy tht nhit tnh. -E xem file mc composite trong tutorial. Mt ct nh ny em cng ngh n. Phin thy c th m file mu trong tutorial ra c k .: + Phn mt ct: 2 dm i + bn mt cu( bn mt cu c chia lm 2 ch ko lin tc, nhu vy ch hp l vi dm dc l dm i v c th s dng dm ngang lm lin kt lun, v bn mt vn lm vic bnh thng), cn khi e mun m hnh vi 2 dm dc l dm hp, th lin kt th no bn mt cu vn lm vic bnh thng ,bi v ko th b tr dm ngang vo nh kiu mt ct vi dm composite-i c.( Tc l mc trong tutorial, nu thay 2 dm i bng 2 dm hp,s bt hp l v mt lin kt) ... em y l tnh lin tc ca bn mt cu + Phn vt liu : vt liu cho bn mt b tng ch bt u xut hin giai on thi cng tr i phi ko . Mong sm nhn c cu tr li ca thy,

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15-03-2011 12:55 PM

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Cho bn, Trong trng hp cu lin hp nh bn m t: dm thp l dm hp, v lin kt ngang do bn b tng m nhim (khng b tr dm ngang hoc dm ngang b tr rt tha tht) th bn nn s dng cch m hnh ha th 2 m mnh ni. l m t dm v bn ring (s dng phn t tm cho bn). Khi s lm vic ca kt cu c th m t theo cc giai on: 1- Thi cng dm thp, b tng bn v bo dng b tng bn: kt cu ch c cc dm thp lm vic (chu ti trng bn thn dm v b tng t ca bn) 2- Bn b tng ng cng v bt u lm vic: khi kt cu s c thm cc phn t tm (bn) lm vic (chu tnh ti phn 2 v hot ti, ti trng khai thc) M hnh ny cng khng qu kh xy dng v cn c th m t c s lm vic ca cc neo cng nh s tng tc dm bn. Nu c s dng cch m hnh ha th nht (s dng phn t dm v mt ct lin hp) th s gp phi vn nh bn ni. Chc vui v,
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#7 Originally Posted by dobc

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Cho bn, Trong trng hp cu lin hp nh bn m t: dm thp l dm hp, v lin kt ngang do bn b tng m nhim (khng b tr dm ngang hoc dm ngang b tr rt tha tht) th bn nn s dng cch m hnh ha th 2 m mnh ni. l m t dm v bn ring (s dng phn t tm cho bn). Khi s lm vic ca kt cu c th m t theo cc giai on: 1- Thi cng dm thp, b tng bn v bo dng b tng bn: kt cu ch c cc dm thp lm vic (chu ti trng bn thn dm v b tng t ca bn) 2- Bn b tng ng cng v bt u lm vic: khi kt cu s c thm cc phn t tm (bn) lm vic (chu tnh ti phn 2 v hot ti, ti trng khai thc) M hnh ny cng khng qu kh xy dng v cn c th m t c s lm vic ca cc neo cng nh s tng tc dm - bn. Nu c s dng cch m hnh ha th nht (s dng phn t dm v mt ct lin hp) th s gp phi vn nh bn ni. Chc vui v,

-Cm n thy , do trnh ca sinh vin c hn, nn em chuyn v m hnh ha dm 1 hp vi kch thc ln hn, cng
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nh bn mt cu rng hn, ban u e nh thiet k bn mt cu 3 ln xe chy, c l phi chuyn v 2 ln xe chy cho hp l vi mt ct, -E ko nh b tr dm ngang, PS: nu thy hoc cc thy c ti liu hiu hn v cu cong th tt qu, trn lp e cha c hc cu cong, cng nh ti liu v cu cong cn hn ch, e cha bit s b tr tr,m, gi cu nh no cho hp l, v cu cong c rt nhiu loi gi ( chng xon,gi cng, gi n hi...) Nu c g kh khn em xin php a ln ngay ti y, hoc vng mc ln e xin php lin h cc thy hi trc tip Cm n thy a email: horizonlfc@gmail.com
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Thy i xem gip em vi

http://www.mediafire.com/?bmiqxk76a7saslc y l file Midas cu cong ca e, e ko hiu sao biu m men xon Mx li k d n th, mc d e chnh sa gi nhiu kiu ri, thy c th xem gip em sai u c ko ,File ny cng nh lm E cm n cc thy nhiu
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Mong cc thy xem gip em vi

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Tun ny bn qu nn by gi mi xem c bi ca bn. Mnh ang s dng mobile vo web v down file. Chc phi tun sau khi v n H Ni th mi xem c file ca bn. Mnh s reply ngay khi x l c vn ca bn. Sorry v khng th tr li ngay cho bn c. PS: nu gp qu m cha x l c vn th bn th trao i vi thy gio hng dn hoc bn b ca mnh xem. Nhiu khi sai st hoc vn mnh khng x l c nhng ngi khc li tm ra y (ni chung l kh kh tm ra sai lm ca chnh mnh d l ngi rt gii) <From my cellphone>

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