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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

19:59:34 eslweb 19:59:50 mrpeel 20:00:08 eslweb 20:00:21 ICTwitz 20:00:48 TeacherDevTrust 20:00:50 Educationchat 20:01:10 mr_chadwick 20:01:21 ICTwitz 20:01:30 TommyTeachPE 20:01:35 mrpeel 20:01:41 anthonydking 20:01:43 anthonydking 20:01:44 anthonydking 20:01:45 anthonydking 20:02:07 Educationchat 20:02:14 ICTwitz 20:02:23 rashush2 20:02:30 oldandrewuk

Welcome to #ukedchat Today we're discussing the new DRAFT curriculum. I'm your host @eslweb @natachakennedy #ukedchat I take little pleasure in slime Balls getting any credit, whatever the target! Shall we start with #Maths, what do we think to the changes to that part of the curriculum? #ukedchat One thing to remember about the draft curriculum is that it is going to be open for consultation. Not that I believe it matters #ukedchat Announcing 6 important webinar debates about radically shaking up CPD in schools. Sign up here!> http://t.co/Yr7ncQEb #ukedchat #betterCPD #ukedchat So which Primary specialists were involved in drafting new curriculum? Perhaps good to read before #ukedchat gets going? > Dogmatic debate in education only means everyone loses http://t.co/6qgYxoGO Also, if you are in an academy, the new curriculum won't be relevant to you, as you can do your own thing!!! #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat it's looking like no NC levels for PE? Firstly why? 2ndly what about measuring progress for #ofsted #ukedchat interested in the O level rebrand and the AS demise here... GCSE English past paper http://t.co/DgmBr4JM #ukedchat GCSE mathematics past paper http://t.co/7ZIcPfLR #ukedchat O-level English: past paper http://t.co/kR7nmjfl #ukedchat O-level mathematics: past paper http://t.co/aNV8l67Q #ukedchat @ICTwitz Ah yes! Because they have a history of listening to teachers. Oh no - that's Carol Vorderman... #ukedchat There, got that off my chest for #ukedchat Why 12 times tables? Just curious. Not like we use shillings any more... #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat Is it that different? Main thing I noticed is it seems short of the usual vague waffle about using and applying.

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:02:34 AST_Teg 20:02:40 eslweb 20:02:42 rashush2 20:02:42 GeekPeter 20:03:14 eslweb 20:03:17 PeterSpencer88 20:03:21 bekblayton

20:03:34 eslweb 20:03:46 philallman1 20:03:48 mrpeel 20:04:07 Mallrat_uk 20:04:08 eslweb 20:04:25 BrownieAJ 20:04:27 mrpeel 20:04:41 KempsterD 20:04:51 Educationchat

RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat will be starting in just a few minutes. If you are joining us unprotect your tweets and use the #ukedchat hashtag. RT @oldandrewuk: @eslweb #ukedchat Is it that different? Main thing I noticed is it seems short of the usual vague waffle about using and applying. @TommyTeachPE No NC levels for anything, actually #ukedchat Went on an interesting course today about Raiseonline, what a great tool that is, wish it did more! #ukedchat #data RT @rashush2: Why 12 times tables? Just curious. Not like we use shillings any more... #ukedchat @Educationchat it seems that any specialists consulted were ignored anyway. Unbelievable #Govemustgo #ukedchat #ukedchat I think the maths draft makes some much needed changes in calculation (more straightforward) but seems to do too much too early! RT @bekblayton: #ukedchat I think the maths draft makes some much needed changes in calculation (more straightforward) but seems to do too much too early! This was my response, written and sent to DfE today http://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat @anthonydking #ukedchat happy to go back to all end of course testing? I am. Just had 3d projector installed at school have to wait til next week to trial it! #veryexcited #ukedchat #asechat @philallman1 Please could you share a few highlights with us? #ukedchat MT @natachakennedy:#Gove humiliated by Ed Balls http://t.co/V5kyi3ad #ukedchat >sad thing is I bet none of the MPs knew the answers! #ukedchat as ever, some good, some not - issue is finding the value and discarding the rest. RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @eslweb Did you miss the intense focus on grammar, phonic testing, raising challenge

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:05:14 ICTwitz 20:05:17 jamesgurung 20:05:24 philallman1 20:05:39 mrpeel 20:06:30 eslweb 20:06:32 bekblayton 20:06:35 philallman1 20:06:36 rashush2 20:07:02 Educationchat 20:07:03 dailydenouement 20:07:04 StuMc13 20:07:06 ICTwitz 20:07:16 Educationchat 20:07:17 eslweb 20:07:21 claireothacehe 20:07:26 Educationchat 20:07:28 philallman1 20:07:30 PeterSpencer88

in maths, more knowledge based? #ukedchat @NuttyA10 Will be 0% once the gvt has FORCED schools to convert! #ukedchat We need a return of Intermediate Tier GCSE. Not bloody #govelevels. #ukedchat 'I read the opening paragraphs of all three programmes of study (PoS) and was quietly optimistic about their content.' #ukedchat #ukedchat did anyone hear the strangely assertive phonics chap on the news earlier this week -dogma/paedagogy=? @NuttyA10 @ICTwitz You're not the only one to say that here's a TERRIBLE curriculum or you could become an academy... #ukedchat @NuttyA10 ah, we could debate the do the need to know for much of the maths curriculum, but its part of the discipline surely? #ukedchat 'It is w/ regret, however, tht I mst exprs my overall dismay at wht seems 2 B a series of muddled & disparate content led pos.' #ukedchat @mrpeel Who, Greg Wallace? #ukedchat RT @philallman1: This was my response, written and sent to DfE today http://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat Evening #ukedchat folk. So, it's new curricula tonight, yes? RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @NuttyA10 The choice is <a>Academy and curriculum freedom, or <b> State school and state curriulum. Hmm!! Blackmail? #ukedchat @philallman1 Excellent response. #ukedchat @dailydenouement Yes, that's it.... #ukedchat @jamesgurung also the chance that chn's attitudes to learning are different now so a return to an old system won't 'fix' anything? #ukedchat RT @PeterSpencer88: @Educationchat it seems that any specialists consulted were ignored anyway. Unbelievable #Govemustgo #ukedchat @Educationchat thank you #ukedchat Is it just me or is the new primary curriculum a giant leap backwards? Gove's vanity project. Must try

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:07:44 MartindalePaul 20:07:55 tmeeky 20:08:10 mrpeel 20:08:11 claireothacehe 20:08:29 ICTwitz 20:08:31 claireothacehe 20:08:34 eslweb 20:08:38 rashush2 20:08:57 bekblayton 20:09:01 MartindalePaul 20:09:02 claireothacehe 20:09:11 alecwaters 20:09:14 dailydenouement 20:09:16 Totallywired77

harder, Mikey boy #ukedchat @NorthernGrid @jackcl Great - many thanks for a fab day today too! #ukedchat #ngawards RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat #ukedchat academy not free if there is a single exam board preparing the exams though -all sit the same in the end - problem? our school is heading to schemes instead - Maths Makes Sense and Read Write Inc. - any thoughts? #ukedchat And today the GCSE/O'Level story, which was revealed by the Daily Mail first!!! That itself speaks volumes!!! #ukedchat @NuttyA10 range of strategies definitely, chn should know that they can draw on many different things #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat academy not free if there is a single exam board preparing the exams though -all sit the same in the end - problem? It does make me think, if the grammar school system produces thinkers like Gove, it makes the case for 21C learning stronger #ukedchat @NuttyA10 agreed, but teachers are able to choose calculation methods, no need to cover all of them. #ukedchat @iteachyear1 Dropbox? Let me know if someone tells you another way! :) #mlearning #ipadchat #ukedchat RT @PeterSpencer88: Is it just me or is the new primary curriculum a giant leap backwards? Goves vanity project. #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat So, what do people think of the new curricula then? Are we taking a backward step or should we be positive? #ukedchat Anybody have an effective homework / homelearning policy for Secondary that they are willing to share? Thank you #ukedchat

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:09:23 rashush2 20:09:25 ICTwitz 20:09:36 mrpeel 20:09:37 Monty_Math 20:09:45 eslweb 20:09:45 Educationchat 20:09:50 jonsmcest 20:09:53 mrpeel 20:09:55 philallman1

20:09:55 dailydenouement 20:09:58 jamesgurung 20:10:09 BryanPHarrison 20:10:22 dailydenouement 20:10:35 djchug 20:10:56 Educationchat 20:11:08 eslweb 20:11:12 syded06
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@claireothacehe That the people who design them are making a LOT of money #ukedchat @claireothacehe Schools then heading to commercial schemes of work, instead of state schemes? Can't work out which is best! #ukedchat #ukedchat not sure how O level differs from current higher/standard tiers - every employer knows the truth behind a pass with an E... #ukedchat my worry with maths curr is it could lead to too much emph on procedure and we get chn who can follow methd w/o understanding Gove went to Robert Gordon's College NOT a Grammar school. #ukedchat @PeterSpencer88 Spot on. Gove's initial attempt to turn all schools into Public schools although guess that started with academies #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat #ukedchat and single exam boards for subjects sounds like an excellent idea 'thr shld B more balance bet t/ methodologies or as the natl strats showed us, ppl will do it one way 1 size does not fit all'. #ukedchat RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat my worry with maths curr is it could lead to too much emph on procedure and we get chn who can follow methd w/o understanding #Gove has forgotten that we are preparing students for a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat Need some help folks! Can anyone suggest any great songs for celebration assembly? Have done the usual stuff. #ukedchat Yes, I agree. RT @jamesgurung: #Gove has forgotten that we are preparing students for a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat Has anyone got any faith in #gove? #ukedchat @claireothacehe Is there anything more prescriptive and less creative than Read Write Inc? #ukedchat Let's move onto #English, what do we think of the changes to this? #ukedchat @jamesgurung Surely there's no need to react to an

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20:11:15 ydixy 20:11:19 dailydenouement 20:11:36 ICTwitz 20:11:37 bekblayton 20:11:40 MartindalePaul 20:11:50 Sarahloooo 20:11:51 rashush2 20:12:09 philallman1 20:12:11 Fatfonzi 20:12:17 rashush2 20:12:21 SCHOOLSNE 20:12:23 HilaryNunns

20:12:29 claireothacehe

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education leaked report on the day GPs went on strike? #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat RT @eslweb: Let's move onto #English, what do we think of the changes to this? #ukedchat @eslweb It's hard for this not to become a Gove bashing session, although he does bring it upon himself. #ukedchat @NuttyA10 I feel teachers were trying to cover too many methods in KS2 - think the simplicity will be welcome #maths #ukedchat @iteachyear1 No ideal solution yet as far as I knowgoing to look at frog's new iOs VLE-could potentially another good solution. #ukedchat #ukedchat Yet again- those who know nothing about how children learn telling teachers how to do their job! Disappointing! The Ruth Miskin "I set the policy, I write the scheme, I take the money" loop worries me #ukedchat English is leading us 1 way in KS1 - phonics and down road of compartmentalised areas in KS2 #ukedchat Many teachers have been told to 'have a positive attitude to teaching maths through the medium of dance' #ukedchat 50 yrs of research = teaching explicit grammar to under 12s doesn't work #ukedchat RT @PrincipledLearn: New courses for outstanding teachers on the @SchoolsNE website http://t.co/hC32xriX #ukedchat #cpchat Doesn't mean worse RT @jamesgurung: #Gove has forgotten that we are preparing students for a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat @ICTwitz me neither! it's an easy way to go though esp. with RWI as it's gov approved! http://t.co/WWFgq2Dm Michael Rosen blog #ukedchat #ukedchat more exercised by things likecareer progress expectations which licence refusal to grant pay increments

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20:12:44 ICTwitz 20:12:47 dailydenouement 20:12:49 cherrylkd 20:12:49 oldandrewuk 20:12:56 eslweb 20:12:58 Angstockwell 20:13:01 Fatfonzi 20:13:15 dailydenouement 20:13:25 ICTwitz 20:13:30 philallman1 20:13:34 mrpeel 20:13:37 eslweb 20:13:41 claireothacehe 20:14:01 Educationchat 20:14:04 claireothacehe 20:14:16 cherrylkd 20:14:20 Educationchat 20:14:39 cherrylkd 20:14:50 rashush2
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@NuttyA10 Turned? So many saw it as law...and still do! #ukedchat Could you explain RT @philallman1: English is leading us 1 way in KS1 - phonics and down road of compartmentalised areas in KS2 #ukedchat #ukedchat is the topic the new maths PoS or changes in general? @Educationchat @eslweb The knowledge was always necessary, remember the various strategiy frameworks? #ukedchat @ICTwitz I agree... #ukedchat RT @Sarahloooo: #ukedchat Yet again- those who know nothing about how children learn telling teachers how to do their job! Disappointing! So now I hope others won't mind being told to be positive about the expectation to teach maths through the medium of maths. #ukedchat The various changes I think. RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat is the topic the new maths PoS or changes in general? Would be interesting to get @michaelrosenyes into the debate for #ukedchat @dailydenouement the prescribed focus on grammar, punctuation and spelling in isolation is to pass the SPaG test. Nothing else. #ukedchat @dailydenouement #ukedchat and yet we have to somehow create independence and resilience @dailydenouement @cherrylkd Various. Just started off with Maths. #ukedchat @NuttyA10 I agree and see that as major disadvantage - need to make sure they leave space for that - I think RWI does fings xed! #ukedchat #ukedchat Ah yes - English. Teaching children what it's like to fail from the age of 5! Brilliant move. @Educationchat Haven't done it yet - I hope there is! :S #ukedchat @dailydenouement #ukedchat Thanks. Missed start and was confused. RT @ICTwitz: Would be interesting to get @michaelrosenyes into the debate for #ukedchat @eslweb thank you #ukedchat It all seems about teaching what we can assess

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20:14:52 claireothacehe 20:15:17 super_sixfive 20:15:17 bekblayton 20:15:22 eslweb 20:15:31 MarkParkinson80 20:15:51 dailydenouement 20:15:59 mrpeel 20:16:04 Magiclanternman 20:16:04 dailydenouement 20:16:12 rashush2 20:16:16 bekblayton 20:16:22 ICTwitz 20:16:23 eslweb 20:16:38 claireothacehe 20:16:47 eslweb 20:16:48 philallman1 20:16:52 Educationchat 20:16:59 MrCursonTweets
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#ukedchat RT @jamesgurung: #Gove has forgotten that we are preparing students for a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat RT @claireothacehe: RT @jamesgurung: #Gove has forgotten that we are preparing students for a different world than 20 years ago. #ukedchat @eslweb like most of the Eng curriculum apart from over reliance on phonics. Lots about Whole Books, lots of high expectations #ukedchat Let's make this constructive. You get 1 change each. What would you do? #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat I've not had much of a look at new English PoS but know that my LA Subject advisor wasn't too keen #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat the single exam board one at all levels RT @philallman1: This was my response, written and sent to DfE today http://t.co/FIcfxVRO #ukedchat RT @eslweb: Let's make this constructive. You get 1 change each. What would you do? #ukedchat though I think it'll still be possible to teach well - we'll just have to be creative with it #ukedchat @NuttyA10 maybe, maybe not. Either way a good teacher will adapt #ukedchat @eslweb Change education secretary :-D #ukedchat @mrpeel You want it or not? #ukedchat @eslweb TASC wheel integrated into all planning with a creative curriculum throughout - teach skills through a fabulous context! #ukedchat @ICTwitz Should have seen that one coming... #ukedchat @eslweb Skinner said 'Education is wht is left behind when wht has bn learned has bn forgotten' < skills not knowing stuff #ukedchat @claireothacehe @jamesgurung No he hasn't - he knows that but wants us to go back to said world. As it's better. #ukedchat #ukedchat maybe a small element of open-book

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20:17:07 mrpeel 20:17:13 chrisquigley 20:17:21 tmeeky 20:17:22 claireothacehe 20:17:33 rashush2 20:17:47 Educationchat 20:17:53 super_sixfive 20:17:59 AST_Teg 20:18:05 philallman1 20:18:05 MrCursonTweets 20:18:10 ICTwitz 20:18:18 bekblayton 20:18:21 claireothacehe 20:18:58 aqibishtiaq 20:18:58 tmeeky

should be included in exams. Skill in finding an answer and interpreting for given scenario @eslweb #ukedchat I want - seems sensible to remove the competition to attract which certainly suggests tactical moves #ukedchat I think the challenge is how to get the pos across to children without seeing each aspect as a lesson objective. Possible The KS3/4 SEN kids I teach have low self est +poor attitudes twds certain subjts . They (+all kids) need to experience success. #ukedchat @eslweb P.S. and get to apply them in LOADS of contexts! #ukedchat Opinions on the idea that we should not move on to the next thing until the class are all ready to? #ukedchat @eslweb New Secretary of State for Education. #ukedchat #ukedchat the major thing #Gove has got so badly wrong is a modern curriculum has nothing to do with his own education! RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @chrisquigley they remind me of the tick sheets of the 1st NC! #ukedchat #ukedchat open book also models real world where people have reference books at hand in whatever job they do. No need to remember everything @eslweb Sorry!!! #ukedchat @eslweb lots thinking out loud during reading & writing, which is good but I do wish that speaking & listening was more explicit #ukedchat @rashush2 not viable unless the class is homogenous and unfair on all chn - learning = personalised not generalised #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat Why does every lesson need to start with a LO written on the board? It makes me cringe. So rigid, uncreative, contrived #ukedchat

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20:19:01 ICTwitz 20:19:10 PeterAllen1 20:19:13 FiLines 20:19:22 MichelleDhillon 20:19:24 mrpeel 20:19:25 eslweb 20:19:28 philallman1

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20:19:35 dailydenouement

20:19:36 eslweb 20:20:11 eslweb 20:20:16 eylanezekiel 20:20:22 claireothacehe 20:20:22 mrpeel 20:20:27 TeaKayB 20:20:53 eslweb

My concern with the draft curriculum is that I have sense a great apathy within the profession. Many not interested/concerned!! #ukedchat What are the themes of #ukedchat tonight? I'm sure there's lots people would like to talk about! @eslweb more consultation with those at the 'chalk face' #ukedchat @tmeeky agreed, such a powerful sentiment #ukedchat @NuttyA10 #ukedchat dont adapt, but I'm old and cynical and grumble when I'm told off... @PeterAllen1 New draft curricula #ukedchat If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the difference! #ukedchat RT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat open book also models real world where people have reference books at hand in whatever job they do. No need to remember everything The new curricula changes. RT @PeterAllen1: What are the themes of #ukedchat tonight? I'm sure there's lots people would like to talk about! RT @MrCursonTweets: #ukedchat open book also models real world where people have reference books at hand in whatever job they do. No need to remember everything Is rote learning really required when you have iPads, books and Internet 24/7? #ukedchat #ukedchat Do all these reforms apply to Academies? Given that they are likely to be able to opt out, how many actually will? @tmeeky completely agree - chn need to know what they have learnt, what to do next etc. and to enjoy learning as priority #ukedchat #ukedchat find it hard to believe that any single paedagogical approach should be imposed on a treacher RT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the difference! #ukedchat RT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the

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20:20:54 oldandrewuk 20:20:57 Educationchat 20:21:01 DidgeH 20:21:02 sezl 20:21:04 tmeeky 20:21:09 mrpeel 20:21:09 eslweb 20:21:29 UWHClaire 20:21:31 bekblayton 20:21:34 philallman1 20:21:49 rashush2 20:21:50 mrpeel 20:22:04 oldandrewuk 20:22:10 syded06 20:22:19 DidgeH 20:22:46 68ron 20:22:49 Gwenelope

difference! #ukedchat @philallman1 #ukedchat All the evidence from psychology is that knowing stuff fluently is what counts. Looking up is no substitute. @oldandrewuk @eslweb Agreed but more important is skills to become more independent. This seems a backwards step... #ukedchat @NuttyA10 What are SPAG lessons? #ukedchat How do I get KS4 students more actively engaged in assemblies? #ukedchat I think the changes to Comp Scioffer val lessons.. give the community the space to evole best prac from the grnd up #ukedchat #ukedchat I teach at acadamy - how can we opt out if the national exam is set in stone - other than the IB route of course RT @oldandrewuk: @philallman1 #ukedchat All the evidence from psychology is that knowing stuff fluently is what counts. Looking up is no substitute. @tmeeky I agree SEN kids really struggle esp now have less funding and support. More so at 2ndry level #ukedchat @NuttyA10 well thats the point, not as many prescriptive methods, but a good teacher will adapt. #ukedchat @chrisquigley or nailed on to ensure passing a SPAG test! #ukedchat Biggest danger is change away from NC levels and bright kids expected to wait for the others #ukedchat @NuttyA10 and sadly they won't #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat I'm happy about it. I remember the last attempt to force primaries to actually teach. Made my job a lot easier. @eslweb Perhaps the problem is the inability to standardise tests around a skills base curric that we must compare a year group to #ukedchat @NuttyA10 thanks #ukedchat Nothing that he has done to date has led me to believe that I should give Gove the benefit of the doubt #ukedchat My 1 change: get rid of league tables, they are poisonous. #ukedchat

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20:23:07 eslweb 20:23:17 MichelleDhillon 20:23:19 Monty_Math 20:23:31 dailydenouement 20:23:33 mattharding007 20:23:34 tmeeky 20:23:36 ICTwitz 20:23:41 mrpeel 20:23:47 oldandrewuk 20:23:53 gazlad99

20:23:59 pivotalpaul

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20:24:16 philallman1 20:24:17 MichelleDhillon

So do you think the curricula are less dynamic, because it's harder to test skills than knowledge? #ukedchat @eslweb Depends on what is learnt. Don't agree with DC but frustrating when kids don't know difference b/w you and you're o_O #ukedchat #ukedchat one change for new curriculum emphasise assessment for learning rather than top down targets for yr groups. RT @eslweb: So do you think the curricula are less dynamic, because it's harder to test skills than knowledge? #ukedchat #ukedchat Oh why oh why oh why can't we have the curriculum put forward by Jim Rose? I liked that one. It excited me. #nevergivenachance @super_sixfive yeah LO are good (or Focus as I call em) but a rigid formulaic approach to good teaching is more my gripe #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Well, thank goodness for that. Would hate for you to have to work for your wages!! #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat can we shed national testing as well at KS2 then? Work with what arrives in y7 rather than with inflated grades... @MrCursonTweets #ukedchat Unless you want kids to think. Knowledge in a book or on the internet is no good for thinking. RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Oh why oh why oh why can't we have the curriculum put forward by Jim Rose? I liked that one. It excited me. #nevergivenachance The Top 10 Technology Game Changers for the Next Decade http://t.co/3BhQDLem #addcym #ukedtech #ukedchat @eslweb not everything of value cn B measured. The best performing jurisdictions have COMPETENCY based curricula not factual dogma #ukedchat @eslweb Yes kids have access to this stuff but

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20:24:19 eslweb 20:24:21 rashush2 20:24:23 thegeogfrog 20:24:29 PeterAllen1 20:24:31 oldandrewuk 20:24:32 Jane78312100 20:24:46 stevewillshaw 20:24:46 eslweb 20:25:07 bernard_liz 20:25:12 oldandrewuk 20:25:12 DexNott 20:25:27 mrpeel 20:25:28 Jon_Torbitt 20:25:29 ICTwitz 20:25:30 eslweb

doesn't seem to make a difference when it comes to grammar/spelling mistakes #ukedchat @mattharding007 @pivotalpaul Do you have a link? #ukedchat RT @Monty_Math: #ukedchat one change for new curriculum - emphasise AFL rather than top down targets for yr groups. Aree RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat Good old Michael 'let's take a backward step' Gove! I wonder how long it will be until he brings back the cane!? #ukedchat @tmeeky #ukedchat All of them? Are you sure you are not just imagining this because you think they should have low self-esteem? @eslweb what/how-ever lessons are delivered, its the demands of sub-levels progress that are most stressful - any news on those?#ukedchat Just produced a student booklet to help improve SPG skills - DM for details #ukedchat Lot of great tweets... Client struggling to keep up! #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @tmeeky #ukedchat Are they quiet and withdrawn? Do they shy away from attention? If not they probably don't have low self-esteem. #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us teachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing Olevels @Jane78312100 #ukedchat agree, along with the daft idea that progress is linear and teenagers are never hindered by hormones @mrpeel @gwenelope please no more testing! such a system just ends up being rigged and kids just get taught to the test!! #ukedchat #fail I wonder what the implications are for the future of assessments! I imagine it becoming for summative! #ukedchat RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us teachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing Olevels

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20:25:37 MichelleDhillon 20:25:38 Angstockwell 20:25:42 oldandrewuk 20:25:42 rashush2 20:25:46 Jon_Torbitt 20:25:53 A_Weatherall 20:25:55 DexNott 20:25:59 UWHClaire 20:26:06 richards_james 20:26:09 68ron 20:26:25 oldandrewuk 20:26:33 eslweb 20:26:37 rashush2 20:26:38 literatelady 20:26:43 oldandrewuk 20:26:44 ChrisEdwards83 20:26:49 ICTwitz 20:26:56 Super_Work

@eslweb That was meant to be 'your' and 'you're' btw ;) #ukedchat #ukedchat Should fraction 4 rules/subjunctive/ apostrophe supersede creative curric learning opps for chn with undeveloped life experiences? @chrisquigley #ukedchat Lesson objectives are important for teachers, but rarely matter to kids. @Jane78312100 NC levels to be abolished, they don't yet know what will replace them #ukedchat what's tonight's #ukedchat topic again? RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us teachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing OLevels #ukedchatQ2 Will someone tell me where the money for t training, text books, reorganising schools is coming from? @PeterAllen1 well he shouldnt need to as all students are now expected to behave and want to learn! #ukedchat Twitter Is Down Across Devices and Platforms http://t.co/m400AETM via @zite #addcym #ukedchat Already looking forward to those discussions explaining to parents/carers why their child isn't "best suited" for O level #ukedchat @claireothacehe @eslweb #ukedchat Oh please do tell me about the TASC wheel. Let's discuss the leak of O'level comeback... #ukedchat @Angstockwell Nah, we'll just have to integrate them... #ukedchat #ukedchat is trending. Wonder why? Force #gove to pass all current quals with top grades before deciding they are too easy and worthless @claireothacehe @jamesgurung #ukedchat No we aren't. RT @mattharding007: #ukedchat Oh why oh why oh why can't we have the curriculum put forward by Jim Rose? I liked that one. It excited me. #nevergivenachance @NuttyA10 There will be an agenda for assessment and accountability, surely! #ukedchat Halfway through writing APP, I watched @SirKenRobinson's TED speech. Don't care what

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20:27:18 philallman1 20:27:26 MichelleDhillon 20:27:32 DexNott 20:27:34 syded06 20:27:41 geogphil 20:27:45 UWHClaire 20:27:54 chrisquigley 20:27:57 mikallaane 20:27:57 tmeeky 20:28:05 cherrylkd 20:28:14 eslweb 20:28:25 Jon_Torbitt 20:28:27 oldandrewuk 20:28:40 philallman1 20:28:51 mrpeel

Gove says - it's my mantra in the classroom. #ukedchat @eslweb It is insulting for Gove to leak it only to then say he wants a 'consensus' like he did in parliament today #hypocrisy #ukedchat @jon_torbitt The new draft curriculum. Keep up! :P #ukedchat #ukedchat Q3 we will also be trying to source new A Level texts ( without the AS level bit?) at same time? Is there a way to test skills that we talk about accurately, appropriately, quickly and within the logistical parameters? #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @DexNott and the time for rewriting schemes of work, level descriptors, GCSE course content alongside new lesson obs format ... #ukedchat #ukedchat does anyone think any of the pos contain irrelevant subject knowledge or skills? I'm struggling to criticise on those grounds. RT @68ron: Nothing that he has done to date has led me to believe that I should give Gove the benefit of the doubt #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Was a bit of a generalisation... They are and yes they do. I am certainly not imagining it. #ukedchat #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @philallman1 if u look it up and remember it that's a good skill, if u have to look it up each time, nothing mastered Let's save the last 5 minutes for opinions on #Gove #ukedchat @eslweb no wonder he's scrapping exams when Qs like 'sue wants to buy a phone, which is most appropriate?' is the opener in GCSE? #ukedchat @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat On a point of principle? "Entertain me now or I will keep myself ignorant!" @chrisquigley no but PoS should not prescribe content in that way! #ukedchat #ukedchat i wonder what he means by olevels -if merely final exam based testing that's IGCSE =

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20:28:52 rashush2 20:28:56 chrisrat 20:29:12 ICTwitz 20:29:20 jamesgurung 20:29:21 oldandrewuk 20:29:25 eslweb 20:29:33 fhesbusiness 20:30:01 fhesbusiness 20:30:04 thegreatgar 20:30:07 rashush2 20:30:19 syded06 20:30:22 oldandrewuk 20:30:23 clcsimon 20:30:30 philallman1 20:30:31 jenzy7385 20:30:49 chrisquigley 20:30:49 68ron
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already exists @chrisquigley I think four doses of Darwin might be a bit much...! #ukedchat RT @chrisquigley: #ukedchat does anyone think any of the pos contain irrelevant subject knowledge or skills? I'm struggling to criticise on those grounds. @NuttyA10 That's what I was asking. I am sure something will crop up!!! #ukedchat .@rashush2 Children are not a commodity on a production line! #ukedchat @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Quite. That said, we remember stuff better if directly taught rather than discovering it for ourselves. Do you think the Curricula should be about content, skills or both? #ukedchat RT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the difference! #ukedchat RT @aknill: @CanonsOPP #ukedchat I think using SOLO within staff CPD sessions to gauge progress would be interesting esp. In sharing best practice. @NuttyA10 @68ron #ukedchat I think the term is a Young Fogie @jamesgurung Too right! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Quite. That said, we remember stuff better if directly taught rather than discovering it for ourselves. Haha !! @ICTwitz #ukedchat I work very hard thank you. But it's so more satisfying when it's to help kids reach their potential rather than to... RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q1 Will someone tell us teachers fairly soon if Y8 will be doing OLevels @eslweb The very best bits of the last 15yrs have been the PLTS @KS3 and Rose's 6 areas of learning. They linked! #ukedchat RT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poor grades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchat http://t.co/Xo26H5De @philallman1 #ukedchat ok, but it seems they have combined pos and level descriptors into one. Does that at least give clarity? @NuttyA10 it's called retro policy spasm #ukedchat

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20:30:51 philallman1 20:31 oldandrewuk

20:31:03 Jon_Torbitt

20:31:17 ePaceonline 20:31:19 eslweb 20:31:29 A_Weatherall 20:31:31 philallman1 20:31:39 MichelleDhillon 20:31:51 oldandrewuk 20:32:02 chocciemaniac 20:32:18 bekblayton 20:32:23 pivotalpaul 20:32:29 mrpeel 20:32:29 DidgeH 20:32:32 chrisquigley 20:32:41 lizdudley 20:32:51 oldandrewuk

Best thing to do #bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat ...undo the effects of other people's incompetence and indifference. @eslweb ideally both content & skills. skills demonstrate application of knowledge e.g. computing, experiments, maths working out #ukedchat RT @philallman1: If I don't 'know' something I look it up! It is knowing WHAT to do with it that makes the difference! #ukedchat How do TASC Wheel and SOLO compare? #ukedchat RT @DexNott: #ukedchat Q2 Will someone tell me where the money for t training, text books, reorganising schools is coming from? @chrisquigley no because we are still summatively measured in the old way at end of KS2 w/ nothing in between. #ukedchat Does this mean that us 90's kids who slaved away at our 10+ GCSE's are all thickos then? ;) #ukedchat @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat Nor was the propaganda film I was commenting on. The difference is I can justify my position. Doesn't there need to be a balance bet' teaching & research? #ukedchat @eslweb Both. Employers, parents & science all value the ability to reason, to write and to remember -as well take the initiative #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon wobviously :-) #ukedchat @MichelleDhillon #ukedchat yup. And we 60s children are the way forward... RT @philallman1: Best thing to do #bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat @rashush2 #ukedchat if we see them as specific objectives maybe, but the time spent and depth of teaching can be decided by school surely? @oldandrewuk #ukedchat really? In my experience it,s the opposite, discovery of a fact gives ownership and more likely to remember @Educationchat @eslweb #ukedchat Why? Are we planning to live in a future where nobody helps each other? http://t.co/3jKCCGA8

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20:33:21 Jon_Torbitt 20:33:31 cherrylkd 20:33:37 chrisquigley 20:33:48 Heatherleatt

20:34:02 bekblayton 20:34:02 mrpeel 20:34:23 oldandrewuk 20:34:28 philallman1 20:34:30 Jon_Torbitt 20:34:35 MichelleDhillon 20:34:49 ICTwitz 20:35:04 TutorSolutions 20:35:10 eslweb 20:35:17 68ron 20:35:32 Heatherleatt 20:35:32 oldandrewuk

@MichelleDhillon Nope we did linear subjects so give likes us! Old 2 1/2hr GCSEs weren't that bad were they? Or were they? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @philallman1 #ukedchat As a child that was true, as adult I learn best when teaching myself. Combination of methods needed 4 ch @philallman1 #ukedchat So is that a curriculum issue or a dislike of testing? @mattharding007 Rose's curriculum was spot on. Which is probably why it has effectively been binned. #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk @philallman1 #ukedchat As a child that was true, as adult I learn best when teaching myself. Combination of methods needed 4 ch #ukedchat what of killing of AS? @lizdudley #ukedchat Not at all. The extra effort of finding it makes it harder to remember: http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir @chrisquigley a curriculum without assessment is like a full english without Sausages! ;) #ukedchat @Angstockwell @eslweb agreed - it's the right path, learning thru discovery and practice/experimentation! Computing good example #ukedchat @pivotalpaul Haha, love it :) #ukedchat @NuttyA10 You never know...the consulation may mean the maths curriculum is changed for the better #nevergoingtohappen #ukedchat RT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poor grades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchat http://t.co/Xo26H5De Would anybody think there is a value to 20% time? #ukedchat Panic among Blairites as they try to triangulate Gove levels #ukedchat Mustn't sound like we oppose public sector reform even if it is crap #ukedchat GCSE introduced to stop the 2 tier O level CSE system; foundation & higher tier do same job. If ease is problem, make GCSEs harder @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat You sure it wasn't because those subjects are infamously easy?

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@philallman1 but I think the summative assessment is for outside reasons rather than learning focused formative, peer and self! #ukedchat @philallman1 #ukedchat but that's been the prob with assessment. Lack of clarity as to what should be assessed. RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Nothing of the sort. Discovery learning really doesn't work well. @mrpeel But everyone is blaming Gove for harking back to a bygone age. Surely the 60s would be like a Purple Haze? #ukedchat Thinking about engagement as a starting point for PoS; children and families (and staff). #ukedchat RT @philallman1: Best thing to do #bringbackmickwaters #ukedchat @oldandrewuk: @Cueball61 @tombennett71 #ukedchat You sure it wasn't because those subjects are infamously easy? < u r too much!) Lol @chrisquigley @claireothacehe Agree w/ both of you but they are inextricably linked and all govts have refused to deal with issue #ukedchat What's going on with #ukedchat tonite then? Why Gove is wrong about O Levels: Lessons from the past http://t.co/dQ6bSvz9 via @wordpressdotcom #ukedchat @NuttyA10 Like some teachers I have seen :( #ukedchat Anyone got any ways to identify truly good new staff if people lie on references? I reckon the speed they walk is good #ukedchat @Lynnewin100 Abou the new curricula #ukedchat @ICTwitz hope so maths strategy atm is just so confusing. Just as chn start to get something it's gone! Pointless #ukedchat @Heatherleatt #ukedchat agree re higher and std. dont really understand the outcry- have to let some down already @eslweb: Would anybody think there is a value to

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20:37:05 tmeeky 20:37:08 TutorSolutions 20:37:12 claireothacehe 20:37:12 claireothacehe 20:37:17 Heatherleatt 20:37:19 syded06 20:37:20 philallman1 20:37:27 UWHClaire 20:37:34 oldandrewuk 20:37:35 super_sixfive 20:37:41 eslweb 20:37:43 ICTwitz 20:37:48 MichelleDhillon 20:37:53 mrpeel 20:38:02 oldandrewuk 20:38:03 chrisquigley 20:38:11 philallman1

20% time? #ukedchat absolutely - this is when you can do your best work and experiment! Teacher/TA: student relationships are key, no matter what the curric. content. #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @Angstockwell @eslweb Well said! #ukedchat @philallman1 true #ukedchat @philallman1 true #ukedchat #ukedchat I am the not very proud owner of a grade 3 CSE - grade 1 was equivalent of O level pass. Just as you can get a C at GCSE. @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 oh come on 'discovery learning doesn't work'- really? #ukedchat I will NOT compromise my belief in developing understanding over content regardless of a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat @bekblayton @eslweb Skills, the knowledge for history probably won't help you in further ed, but the skills will #ukedchat @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat Oh for pity's sake. Take some responsibility for your own learning. RT @philallman1: @chrisquigley a curriculum without assessment is like a full english without Sausages! ;) #ukedchat What about the Australian system where they simply Rank order all students each year? Good? Bad? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk How did you discover that the discovery method does not work? #ukedchat @super_sixfive Speak for yourself matey! I'm no thicko :P #ukedchat lip@GeekPeter #ukedchat whether they own their own clipboard @syded06 @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Really. http://t.co/AYgQ18Ir It's been discredited. @NuttyA10 #ukedchat but there is nothing to stop schools broadening the range of strategies surely? @ICTwitz @oldandrewuk self discovery but htat's another story ;) #ukedchat

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RT @chrisquigley: @NuttyA10 #ukedchat but there eslweb is nothing to stop schools broadening the range of strategies surely? RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat GCSE introduced to stop the 2 tier O level CSE system; foundation & GlamorousLeft higher tier do same job. If ease is problem, make GCSEs harder oldandrewuk @ICTwitz #ukedchat @daisychristo told me. @NuttyA10 absolutely! Today I tried to get my class chocciemaniac to explain methods to each other and half couldn't because don't understand em #ukedchat @UWHClaire @eslweb true, but learning history, the bekblayton people, dates, events may spark a lifelong fascination with the topic! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd syded06 @philallman1 nice to see some rather more up to date evidence #ukedchat RT @TeacherToolkit: Whose fault are these poor PetersonJK grades?! 1969 vs. 2012 #school #ukedchat http://t.co/Xo26H5De Q - Anyone got ideas how you would work with the rashush2 POS to keep learning as it should be? #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt I just remember CONSTANTLY MichelleDhillon working. Tons of coursework. No let up. It was a bloody nightmare tbh #ukedchat @Angstockwell @eslweb might depend on the Jon_Torbitt subject - good teaching will always shine through! Can still learn through doing #ukedchat @eslweb depends where you are in the ranks! claireothacehe #ukedchat @mrpeel I'd happily kill modules at a level, maybe lizdudley keep end of year for as and a2 #ukedchat @NuttyA10 #ukedchat yes that's exactly my Monty_Math worry,good mathematicians can do it in their heads, don't use writtn formula for everything @lizdudley #ukedchat Some of the research is with oldandrewuk medical students. Age isn't a factor. We all learn best if we gain information easily. @GeekPeter You will know when you meet themSarahloooo Instinct! #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in HeadDownEyesUp parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels

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20:39:43 GilchristGeorge 20:39:43 UWHClaire 20:39:53 cherrylkd 20:40:03 chrisquigley 20:40:06 ladymarples 20:40:08 bekblayton 20:40:09 Educationchat 20:40:10 ICTwitz 20:40:16 tyrrellnook 20:40:17 oldandrewuk 20:40:38 Jon_Torbitt 20:40:46 oldandrewuk 20:40:47 tmeeky 20:40:58 eslweb 20:40:59 GeekPeter

http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat RT @philallman1: I will NOT compromise my belief in developing understanding over content regardless of a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat @eslweb how to support those continually left at the bottom? #ukedchat @eyebeams @oldandrewuk @philallman1 #ukedchat surely not every ch learns in same way. Some need teaching others need to 'discover'? #ukedchat Tom Oates was clear about distinction between Nat and school curric.Are some seeing this as the only things schools will teach? RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat RT @chrisquigley: @NuttyA10 #ukedchat but there is nothing to stop schools broadening the range of strategies surely? @oldandrewuk @eslweb Are we planning on living in a world when children can't do anything unless someone is helping them? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk Yay, so you discovered it!!! Therefore discovery learning does work! It's what makes us human :-D #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat I'm not arguing from the paper's authority. Read the argument in it. It's solid work. @MichelleDhillon remember double GCSE Maths. lotsa work, no messing, no griefing teachers, just wanting to do well & doing well! #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat She *told* me. RT @oldandrewuk: @lizdudley #ukedchat So in info society it's importnt to teach how to discover/interpret info/knowledge too, yeah? RT @tmeeky: RT @oldandrewuk: @lizdudley #ukedchat So in info society it's importnt to teach how to discover/interpret info/knowledge too, yeah? #ukedchat is trending! Finally! First time ever I reckon :)

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Monty_Math MichelleDhillon

20:41:06 syded06 20:41:13 mrpeel

20:41:20 fhesbusiness

20:41:22 oldandrewuk 20:41:30 WelbornMedia 20:41:32 chrisquigley 20:41:39 ICTwitz 20:41:40 eslweb 20:41:54 Jon_Torbitt 20:41:57 Heatherleatt 20:41:57 super_sixfive 20:41:58 chocciemaniac 20:41:59 oldandrewuk

@philallman1: I will NOT compromise my belief in developing understanding over content regardless of a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat Yes! @eyebeams Sounds horrendous no matter what. Couldn't you Get No Satisfaction? ;) #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 I'm not denying there are two sides to the argument just enjoying your stance #ukedchat @lizdudley #ukedchat kill all modules for me and I'd lose AS too. Lower VIth was a great year when free to enrich and devel @oldandrewuk: @Cueball61 @tombennett71 #ukedchat Oh for pity's sake. Take some responsibility for your own learning. < #motivationalwords @Educationchat @eslweb #ukedchat No, but the point is that we become more independent by learning more. Not the other way round. Can anyone briefly describe the accreditation process needed in order to become a teacher in the UK? #ukedchat @NuttyA10 #ukedchat true but I've had the privilege to work with lots of great schools who wanted more than that @oldandrewuk LOL...really LOL!!! So sad! #ukedchat @sarah20thomas @Jon_Torbitt 20% time is a concept in Google where you give 20% of time for people to choose what they want to do #ukedchat @sarah20thomas @eslweb it's a bit like PPA time but can spend 20% of your weekly time doing anything you want (within reason) #ukedchat @MrCursonTweets Open book does reflect real life and if exams were designed well, could lead to real in-depth, critical answers. #ukedchat RT @mrpeel: @lizdudley #ukedchat kill all modules for me and I'd lose AS too. Lower VIth was a great year when free to enrich and devel @NuttyA10 but with a scheme structured in such a bitty way so many chn don't have time to understand somethig before its gone #ukedchat @cherrylkd @eyebeams @philallman1 #ukedchat

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ePaceonline

20:42:02 eslweb 20:42:11 UWHClaire 20:42:25 Lynnewin100 20:42:25 Heatherleatt 20:42:46 oldandrewuk 20:42:55 mrpeel 20:42:57 bekblayton 20:42:58 ICTwitz 20:43:12 mike_f1980 20:43:19 mrpeel 20:43:24 oldandrewuk 20:43:26 claireothacehe 20:43:39 Jon_Torbitt 20:43:39 syded06 20:43:41 Heatherleatt
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Hope you are not suggesting that we all have different learning styles. Having difficulty in following #ukedchat tonight as Tweetdeck has gone bonkers on me....... @sarah20thomas @Jon_Torbitt Similar concept is a sandbox lesson... #ukedchat @bekblayton @eslweb you need knowledge of a topic but skills are universal #gove aim with the curriculum to breed fascination? #ukedchat @GeekPeter fantastic :) #ukedchat #newcurricula let's get our teeth into it! RT @philallman1: I will NOT compromise my belief in developing understanding over content regardless of a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat @syded06 @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Do you think the human brain has transformed since 2006? #ukedchat IB tok -4 ways of knowing -lang,emotion,reason and perception - blend all in delivery @UWHClaire @eslweb probably not his aim!! But you can dream #ukedchat @ePaceonline Try http://t.co/lZPEHSRu works a dream #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat #ukedchat anyone else struggling on tweetdeck tonight? @fhesbusiness @cueball61 @tombennett71 #ukedchat You haven't really got the hang of this anonymous blogger idea have you? RT @UWHClaire: you need knowledge of a topic but skills are universal aim with the curriculum to breed fascination? #ukedchat @lizdudley @mrpeel agreed - 3 months in a bran new subject followed by exam seems far too little time to know enough! #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 I believe discovery learning works well for some - is that unreasonable? #ukedchat @ePaceonline I've given up on Tweetdeck - pants!

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20:43:47 cherrylkd 20:43:55 Lynnewin100 20:43:55 MichelleDhillon 20:44:06 claireothacehe 20:44:27 mrpeel 20:44:30 Gwenelope 20:44:44 syded06 20:44:46 TutorSolutions 20:44:53 oldandrewuk 20:44:55 rashush2 20:45:04 Lynnewin100 20:45:04 lizdudley 20:45:09 tmeeky 20:45:12 Jon_Torbitt 20:45:24 chocciemaniac 20:45:27 cherrylkd 20:45:34 Heatherleatt

#ukedchat @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @philallman1 #ukedchat quaint idea I know. But yes! #ukedchat there is a lot I approve of in the new frameworks but also a lot I worry about. It's just so prescriptive. @Jon_Torbitt Well bully for you. Maths was my worst subject but I still passed. Yay :D #ukedchat @oldandrewuk no, but our understanding of it has, thank goodness! #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat how brilliant to see "bran new"! @mikallaane Schools make morally suspect decisions about pupils because of league tables, they are bad, bad, bad. #ukedchat @Lynnewin100 prescription is a big concern #ukedchat How much control do you have over your curriculum? #UKedchat @MrCursonTweets #ukedchat Apart from the fact I haven't encountered good degrees that do that, that's no justification for children. Will be interesting to see how teachable English POS is ... Y3s and subordinating conjunctions anyone? #ukedchat #ukedchat some will stand firm and continue with our curricula that we know gets results in our context. But some won't be brave enough @Jon_Torbitt x@mrpeel we've dropped Jan exams in our dept for all but G&T students #ukedchat whatever the curric/pos it's how we help diff kids with a myriad of diffs access it and succeed. #ukedchat @mrpeel lol sorry maybe i need to rest my GCSE Eeeenglish oh hang on nope i can't #ukedchat @NuttyA10 so how do we still cover the objectives, satisfy ofsted and ensure that chn make progress? #ukedchat @syded06 @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @philallman1 #ukedchat No. That's a fair assertion. And for others it doesn't. @Lynnewin100 Prescription is the big problem, especially as #Gove said he wanted less prescription

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:45:40 ePaceonline 20:45:42 TutorSolutions 20:45:50 mrpeel 20:45:54 philallman1 20:46:03 MichelleDhillon 20:46:21 rashush2 20:46:25 claireothacehe 20:46:32 Jon_Torbitt 20:46:36 HelloThisIsDean 20:46:47 Educationchat 20:46:54 eslweb 20:47:01 oldandrewuk 20:47:23 claireothacehe 20:47:24 Lynnewin100

20:47:25 Educationchat

once upon a time. #ukedchat @ICTwitz Thanks will try it now, I have wanted to respond to so many tweets and been unable to do so. #ukedchat RT @tmeeky: whatever the curric/pos it's how we help diff kids with a myriad of diffs access it and succeed. #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat no! you'r e correct The worst thing was the prescription over methods but the vague aphorisms over really important stuff like using and applying! #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: @MichelleDhillon The point is I got them all and I didn't have a clue so so much for the gold standard ... #ukedchat Out of interest is are any KS1 here doing phonics, "first, fast and only"? #ukedchat @rashush2 realised in assessments today we've not taught complex sentences to our Y3 this year couldn't cope - more is scary! #ukedchat @mrpeel i simply appreciate when anyone takes the care to use apostrophes correctly, could we include that in new curricula? #ukedchat #ukedchat I have serious concerns about Michael Gove's vision for education in this country. @oldandrewuk @eslweb I say 'potato', you say 'potato'.......Doesn't work as well written down. #ukedchat 15 Minutes left. What would you wan to see introduced into the curriculum and what would you like taken out? #ukedchat @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat I know you would. But you are wrong. @chocciemaniac satisfy Ofsted is such a sad thing to have to think about - focusing on adults vs. chn : ( #notwhatisignedupfor #ukedchat @syded06 I worry about how I will stand firm with something like that with new framework in its current draft form #ukedchat @GBReadingUK @PeterSpencer88 I'm sure Schwarzenegger said that in a film some time....maybe not about Gove. Wish he would though.. #ukedchat

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:47:33 mrpeel 20:47:35 philallman1 20:47:40 Heatherleatt 20:47:41 bekblayton 20:47:45 DidgeH 20:47:48 MichelleDhillon 20:47:49 rashush2 20:47:53 Lynnewin100 20:48:06 Gwenelope 20:48:07 philallman1 20:48:12 oldandrewuk 20:48:37 McShaneChris 20:48:39 chrisquigley 20:48:45 Heatherleatt 20:48:46 ePaceonline 20:48:48 oldandrewuk 20:48:51 claireothacehe
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oh so much better on http://t.co/q7BEQ2eU #ukedchat #ukedchat If 3 out of 4 of YOUR OWN expert panel discredit your PoS then you really have created a pile of c*** haven't you? #ukedchat If #Gove gets his way, real possibility that lower ability pupils will be left without qualifications anyone will value. #ukedchat I like the emphasis on reading whole books and the debating / explaining #ukedchat Speaking and listening should be there in its own right I think #ukedchat @mrpeel @Jon_Torbitt He also wrote 'give' earlier instead of 'gove' - but I'm too nice to pick sometimes :) #ukedchat Take out kids needing to know the linguistic names of the grammar. It's silly. #ukedchat @Heatherleatt and now it seems more prescriptive than anything I remember #ukedchat @ICTwitz @oldandrewuk Surely learning should always be about discovery, not just the pupils but you also? #ukedchat How many spellings in y5 and 6?! #ukedchat @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat No it isn't. It's like saying we all get fitter by taking exercise. RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat #ukedchat by the way, not endorsing new curric, just interested in the possibilities alongside a well constructed school curric. The UK has always needed - and failed - to have decent vocational qualifications as high quality alternative to academic exams. #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat> Thank you for the link. I liketh and have signed up. Only 10 mins to go now though :/ @Educationchat @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Obviously you can redefine the purpose of education to justify anything. @bekblayton #PieCorbett 's Book Talk is fabulous

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:49:08 newmanswords 20:49:10 Lynnewin100 20:49:13 teamjacklin 20:49:17 bekblayton 20:49:18 mrpeel 20:49:19 DidgeH 20:49:25 claireothacehe 20:49:25 TutorSolutions 20:49:31 oldandrewuk 20:49:36 Heatherleatt 20:49:44 Educationchat 20:49:58 bekblayton 20:50:10 Lynnewin100 20:50:13 mrpeel 20:50:17 teamjacklin 20:50:21 oldandrewuk 20:50:24 DavidMarples 20:50:32 ICTwitz
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stuff! #ukedchat RT @philallman1: I will NOT compromise my belief in developing understanding over content regardless of a dogmatic curriculum #ukedchat I worry that the 'statutory' will get in the way of what I know works #ukedchat what will happen if my yr 1s don't tick all the boxes? @eslweb take out of the curriculum whatever the teaching body wants to based on the learners they have in front of them #ukedchat @DidgeH agreed and agree! Its my only concern really for #eng #ukedchat Would CSE type grades really be worth less than a GCSE f? #ukedchat Reciting poetry - really? #ukedchat @rashush2 I agree in some ways, but an understanding of our language is important - esp. when learning others! #ukedchat RT @Lynnewin100: I worry that the 'statutory' will get in the way of what I know works #ukedchat what will happen if my yr 1s don't tick all the boxes? @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Summing up about 100 years of research... @ICE2911 beyond crass... #ukedchat @rashush2 Is that a scheme of your timetable? #ukedchat @claireothacehe it is! #ukedchat My yr 1s often don't tick the statutory boxes btw as we have a 'when they are ready' pedagogical approach #ukedchat @DidgeH that one is a bit daft - no need to be so prescriptive #ukedchat Don't mention diplomas, I think we got away with it once... #ukedchat @syded06 @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Statistically possible, but not a strategy to bank on. RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat @Gwenelope I agree. Some people are on here to

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:50:36 Lynnewin100 20:50:44 UWHClaire 20:51:03 rashush2 20:51:13 oldandrewuk 20:51:14 ICTwitz 20:51:14 bekblayton 20:51:23 eslweb 20:51:46 mrpeel 20:51:53 Heatherleatt 20:52:01 DidgeH 20:52:06 claireothacehe 20:52:06 cherrylkd 20:52:10 oldandrewuk 20:52:11 fhesbusiness 20:52:17 WelbornMedia 20:52:23 philallman1 20:52:30 DexNott
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provoke. I choose to ignore and not enter into a debate!!! #ukedchat @syded06 no...but it works bloody amazingly! #ukedchat @Heatherleatt agreed, if you look at the career openings in society today do we really need a generation of academics? #ukedchat @claireothacehe Most y3s can use a sentence starting with although. Idenitfying a subordinating conjunction? #ukedchat @cherrylkd @eyebeams @philallman1 #ukedchat Not "quaint". More like "wrong". Yes, that's the word. @ePaceonline It is good, but not always clear to see when people have responded to you. #ukedchat Reciting poetry - really? #ukedchat (via @DidgeH) << just nursery rhymes! No big deal really ? What do you think employers want pupils to learn? What is most useful in life? #ukedchat @Heatherleatt do you see the CSE return as the chance to address this properly? #ukedchat Other Euro countries have great voc pathways. UK vocational quals always derided and seen as 2nd best. Not everyone is academic #ukedchat @eslweb resilience #ukedchat @eslweb integrate ICT throughout - remove discrete music unless taught by a specialist - build into curr. instead #ukedchat @DexNott #ukedchat No! You won't know until day b4 you have 2 teach it. No time 2 plan, then Ofsted will ring to visit following day. @Educationchat @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 #ukedchat You are confusing two very different concepts. Don't accept individualism... RT @oldandrewuk: @fhesbusiness @cueball61 @tombennett71 #ukedchat You haven't really got the hang of this anonymous blogger idea have you? @UWHClaire @Heatherleatt A balanced generation would be nice. One that doesn't have massive debt upon leaving Uni especially! #ukedchat @eslweb Clearly that it is 10 items or fewer not 10 items or less ;) #everylittlehelps #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @DexNott #ukedchat No! You won't

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20:52:31 Heatherleatt 20:52:35 eslweb 20:52:39 oldandrewuk 20:52:40 mrpeel 20:52:41 ICE2911 20:52:56 chrisquigley 20:52:56 teamjacklin 20:52:58 claireothacehe 20:53:03 rashush2 20:53:06 oldandrewuk 20:53:09 bekblayton 20:53:10 MichelleDhillon 20:53:16 largerama 20:53:19 Educationchat 20:53:28 philallman1 20:53:48 TutorSolutions 20:53:54 ICTwitz
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know until day b4 you have 2 teach it. No time 2 plan, then Ofsted will ring to visit following day. @Lynnewin100 Yes, and some of the prescription is just plain daft. #ukedchat @claireothacehe R U appealing to your host by chance... #ukedchat @Educationchat @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 ... is about personal responsibility. Responsibility comes with community. #ukedchat @eslweb certainly not coached responses to banal exams #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat the ability to learn, unlearn and relearn- things move fast! @NuttyA10 #ukedchat because the skills are subject skills, that need to be secured rather than covered in order for ch to make progress. @eslweb Financial skills, Budgetting, Customer Service skills, social skills, work experience #ukedchat @eslweb competent, confident and imaginative literacy and self-confidence (to a 'just right' level!) #ukedchat @Heatherleatt The whole calling it "exam for the thick kids" really isn't a good start, is it #ukedchat @claireothacehe #ukedchat No it hasn't. @eslweb to decode strings of letters . #ukedchat #ironyalert Find it ironic that a fellow journalist is now dismantling the UK's education system. One day it will ALL BE MINE TOO! #ukedchat http://t.co/mh47POlF This answers that question "What do you think employers want " #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @Cueball61 @fhesbusiness @tombennett71 You say 'potato', I say 'potato'. #ukedchat #stilldoesntreallywork @eslweb 'knowing what to do when you don't know what to do.' knowing stuff doesn't give you that #ukedchat Social Skills! RT @teamjacklin: @eslweb Financial skills, Budgetting, Customer Service skills, social skills, work experience #ukedchat Oh no, @philallman1 is bringing corporate

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20:54:02 mrpeel 20:54:13 philallman1 20:54:17 judeenright 20:54:25 Gwenelope 20:54:29 claireothacehe 20:54:31 oldandrewuk 20:54:33 DidgeH 20:54:38 TutorSolutions 20:54:42 chrisquigley 20:54:52 eslweb 20:55 Stephen_Logan

20:55:01 oldandrewuk 20:55:01 oldandrewuk 20:55:06 claireothacehe 20:55:24 bekblayton 20:55:35 anhalf 20:55:40 raisechildrens

sponsorship to #ukedchat. How many club card points did you get for that? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk isn't that Inspector Goole? #ukedchat @ICTwitz not enough! #ukedchat @eslweb: ...What is most useful in life? How to dice an onion most useful thing I learnt at school: use it several times a week #ukedchat @eslweb Most important thing is interpersonal skills, some teachers I have worked with need some work there. #ukedchat @eslweb re: music and ICT? sorry - confused! #ukedchat @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Main issue in neuro-science in the last 6 years is its unreliability. RT @philallman1: @eslweb knowing what to do when you dont know what to do. knowing stuff doesnt give you that #ukedchat How about more languages from a young age? #ukedchat @Angstockwell @NuttyA10 #ukedchat not sure I follow. Does the new pos disallow creative approaches to teaching it? @claireothacehe I'm an ICT teacher by trade... #ukedchat RT @eslweb: What do you think employers want pupils to learn? What is most useful in life? #ukedchat @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Certainly no discoveries from neuroscience relevant to learning yet. @eyebeams @syded06 @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Certainly no discoveries from neuroscience relevant to learning yet. RT @ICE2911: @eslweb #ukedchat the ability to learn, unlearn and relearn- things move fast! #ukedchat RT @TutorSolutions: How about more languages from a young age? #ukedchat just seen gove is trending #ukedchat :( @eslweb I think they want life experience, maturity, a responsible attitude, enthusiasm, passion-are they in

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20:55:41 eslweb 20:55:43 claireothacehe 20:55:54 oldandrewuk 20:56:05 philallman1 20:56:07 Jon_Torbitt 20:56:12 MartindalePaul 20:56:14 mrpeel 20:56:16 Heatherleatt 20:56:18 ICTwitz 20:56:23 EllieERussell 20:56:26 Stephen_Logan 20:56:27 claireothacehe 20:56:27 tmeeky 20:56:32 chrisquigley 20:56:33 rashush2 20:56:38 Heatherleatt 20:56:49 philallman1
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the new curricula? #ukedchat To end with... What message do you want to send to @educationgovuk #ukedchat @TutorSolutions Yes! Lose our arrogance and open ourselves up to other cultures - let's make the littl'uns learn Mandarin ;P #ukedchat @Gwenelope @ICTwitz #ukedchat People always do that with failed teaching methods, make the method an end in itself. @eslweb @educationgovuk It would be censored ;) #ukedchat @claireothacehe @eslweb ok so to integrate ICt how do you overcome teacher skill shortfall using ICT properly? #ukedchat Are people overreacting to new PoS? Every1 supposed to be academy in next few years & will B able to opt out before it's statutory #ukedchat @eslweb enough conversation to get round a golf course #ukedchat @mrpeel No! CSEs were watered down O levels. We need high quality vocational pathways with top class training and apprenticeships #ukedchat Huge respect to @eslweb for hosting this session. A tough one to manage, but a debate worth having. #ukedchat #ukedchat interpersonal skills, ability to question what they are told and know how and where find out for themselves.. @eslweb self management, teamwork, application of IT, literacy and numeracy, problem solving. #employability skills #ukedchat @eslweb ah-ha - i'm not, primary - but I think it's absolutely crucial! #ukedchat @judeenright I dissected a rat in biology... never had to since but remember a lot of biol of that lesson #ukedchat @NuttyA10 #ukedchat agree, but the content is not restricting you from teaching other things STOP CHANGING EVERYTHING! We just get it going then you break it again! #ukedchat @rashush2 Um, no it isn't #ukedchat @eslweb Message to DfE crouch, touch, pause,

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Discussing the Draft National Curriculum

20:56:58 anhalf 20:57:03 claireothacehe 20:57:08 chris_j_fisher9 20:57:11 philallman1 20:57:12 anhalf 20:57:15 mrpeel 20:57:22 bekblayton 20:57:24 oldandrewuk 20:57:24 ICE2911 20:57:32 teamjacklin 20:57:42 MichelleDhillon 20:57:44 ukedchat 20:57:47 DidgeH 20:57:50 chrisquigley 20:57:54 TutorSolutions 20:58:09 anhalf

engage :) #ukedchat @eslweb @educationgovuk #ukedchat have proper conversations with the teaching community to draw up an agreed curriculum #inmydreams @Jon_Torbitt have to admit - I'm talking primary level here so more flexibility in teacher ability if it's used as a tool i think #ukedchat RT @natachakennedy: Michael #Gove humiliated in parliament by Ed Balls over #Govelevels http://t.co/7xddNf2W Hilarious! #ukedchat RT @ICTwitz: Huge respect to @eslweb for hosting this session. A tough one to manage, but a debate worth having. #ukedchat RT @EllieERussell: #ukedchat interpersonal skills, ability to question what they are told and know how and where find out for themselves.. @Heatherleatt but is the idea of the two tiers possibly a chance for this to happen? #ukedchat @eslweb to @educationgovuk ?? Hmmm.. Were professionals, show us the research, the skills, the knowledge & let us choose! #ukedchat @Educationchat @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat I'm very consistent. It's to make people smarter. @MartindalePaul #UKEDCHAT a back door approach to make all schools academies? @eslweb @educationgovuk ****** ******** *******, kind regards. #ukedchat @eslweb You can improve grammar, spelling, punctuation etc creatively and non prescriptively. I can prove it. The end. #ukedchat Session 103 - Discussing the Draft National Curriculum ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}} To the DFE - please listen to the experts #ukedchat @NuttyA10 @Angstockwell #ukedchat, as I understand measurement will be of standards not approaches to teaching it, but I guess we'll see :) @claireothacehe I'm living in Sweden & it's amazing how good their English is. At least they can find work as translators... #ukedchat @rashush2 #ukedchat change will always happen...but needs to be done WITH the teaching

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20:58:14 EllieERussell 20:58:20 TutorSolutions 20:58:21 craigneilsmith 20:58:21 anhalf 20:58:21 DidgeH 20:58:25 ukedchat 20:58:26 oldandrewuk 20:58:33 cherrylkd 20:58:36 tmeeky 20:58:36 ictast 20:58:38 philallman1 20:58:57 eslweb 20:58:58 Angstockwell 20:59:02 Jon_Torbitt 20:59:08 Heatherleatt 20:59:09 MartindalePaul 20:59:10 chrisquigley

community's guidance!! @anhalf #ukedchat. have proper conversations..which means listen and take on board.... RT @EllieERussell: #ukedchat interpersonal skills, ability to question what they are told and know how and where find out for themselves.. #ukedchat learn from Scotland? Their teachers seem to have more control! RT @DidgeH: To the DFE - please listen to the experts #ukedchat RT @bekblayton: @eslweb to DFE Hmmm.. Were professionals, show us the research, the skills, the knowledge & let us choose! #ukedchat Tonight's #ukedchat will be archived at http://t.co/7BlhP6Hd @eyebeams @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat What research shows some people get fitter by not taking exercise? @DexNott ha ha! #ukedchat A good teacher with passion +expertise will make any pos engaging + relevant. Thing is a lot of passion lost cos of many reasons #ukedchat RT @DidgeH: To the DFE - please listen to the experts #ukedchat RT @craigneilsmith: #ukedchat learn from Scotland? Their teachers seem to have more control! Last thoughts? #ukedchat #ukedchat Surely the best learning experiences are when children 'do'! @eyebeams @claireothacehe @eslweb how about just good ol fashioned up to date IT teachers like moi? #ukedchat @mrpeel Only if CSEs are radically different from GCSEs, which they weren't *back in the day* in #Gove's mythical golden age #ukedchat @ICE2911 Got it in one! Maybe #Gove made it rubbish on purpose to push schools into opting out :)) #ukedchat @NuttyA10 #ukedchat maybe but if that's done in an inspiring and exciting and engaging way, I don't see a prob.

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20:59:12 Gwenelope 20:59:15 mrpeel 20:59:18 ICE2911 20:59:23 eyebeams 20:59:33 eslweb 20:59:39 ePaceonline 20:59:43 TutorSolutions 20:59:45 Monty_Math 20:59:47 rashush2 20:59:49 Heatherleatt 21:00:06 little_mavis 21:00:08 tmeeky 21:00:13 eslweb

@oldandrewuk @ICTwitz Do what exactly? #ukedchat right I'm off. A level marking arrives in the morning #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: Tonight's #ukedchat will be archived at http://t.co/7BlhP6Hd @eslweb @educationgovuk Try releasing proposed education policy changes other than through the gutter press #ukedchat Sorry if I couldn't RT every good idea. My client could barely keep up. #ukedchat Will dig through treasure trove tomorrow. #ukedchat how thoroughly has the draft been thought out, given today's news that Nick Gibb was unaware of bringing back o levels? #ukedchat @eslweb Thanks for hosting! Great chatting with you all! #ukedchat #ukedchat message to Gove - um... Listen to views of your expert panels? We're academics. We need to understand. Give us evidence, let us talk to the authors. Then pilot it, evaluate it, fund it. #ukedchat @MrCursonTweets Totally agree #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @Educationchat @eyebeams @philallman1 Do you mean making them better dressed, cleverer, or just know more facts? #ukedchat Last thoughts... no matter what, keep a work:life balance ;o) #ukedchat Ok, it's 9pm now... You can let #gove have both barrels now.... #ukedchat

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