Archive Session 106

ukedchat Archive 12 July 2012 Hosted by @nmckain
Thoughts on changes to Initial Teacher Training
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It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @nmckain. Topic: Changes to Initial Teacher Training http://t.co/JFTwURp5 #ukedchat Learning to teach is like learning to drive... It all happens once you pass your test and realise why u learnt what u did! @largerama had a quick one before #ukedchat as @tishylishy unable to host tonight. Any input about badges gratefully received! #DLchat I understand the proposals, but think teacher trainees need an understanding of pupil development theories. #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: 5 minutes until #ukedchat with @nmckain discussing changes to Initial Teacher Training - http://t.co/JFTwURp5 Begins at 8pm. @ICTwitz are schools in a position to offer this teaching of theory? #ukedchat @ianaddison: RT @redgierob If you were a new prim school lit coordinator-what ... make sure school had in place? #ukedchat Bookshelves? #ukedchat big fan of EBITT form for "mature" entrants to the profession. Is there an issue for younger trainees? I have a friend on teach first and he's found it extremely difficult and wouldn't recommend. In at the deep end... #ukedchat I've done a different qualification, teaching for two years whilst studying, been teaching for 12 years already, #ukedchat RT @ICTwitz: I understand the proposals, but think teacher trainees need an understanding of pupil development theories. #ukedchat I think theory is important too but most of the skills I learned for teaching was actually doing it! #ukedchat @nmckain No. Teachers and leaders don't have the means or time. Partnerships required with Universities, IMHO #ukedchat Looking to network with all the PGCE or GTP students this coming Sept! Anyone out there? I'll be at Oxford Uni studying history! #ukedchat @SwayGrantham Thanks for posting. What sepcific difficulties did he face? #ukedchat
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20:04:36 mikeatedji 20:04:43 Monty_Math 20:04:43 Monty_Math 20:04:43 JanP65 20:04:47 SwayGrantham 20:04:47 SwayGrantham 20:04:51 nmckain
#ukedchat theory can be developed on the job if the mentor is good and training programme well planned Turning up in sept being given 30 chn and just left with minimal classroom experience and no time alone in class... Teach first... #ukedchat Wonder if @bobharrisonet is aware of tonight's #ukedchat? Think the practical teaching skills you can only learn on the job, but useful to now have the theories to back them up #ukedchat At the end of the day, these proposals by gvt are a bid to undermine universities, and keep/control budgets themselves. #ukedchat #ukedchat But unis in difficvult position cos they're increasingly taking place of LAs in providing expert help to schools... @SwayGrantham haha good job teach first said no to be and oxford university said yes for a pgce! every cloud has a silver lining! #ukedchat #ukedchat training shouldn't be easy, but schools need to be reasonable. Term 1 needs to be introduced slowly People need theory underpinning their practice and that is where action research comes in #ukedchat I liked my PGCE intensive teaching, time to reflect and then a second placement. #ukedchat #ukedchat leaving them short of capacity to teach their own students Think success of new trainees will depend on individual schools they find themselves in some great, some not so #ukedchat Think success of new trainees will depend on individual schools they find themselves in some great, some not so #ukedchat @mrpeel If the mentor is good. Unfortunately this isn't always the case. My experience some people are told to mentor not chosen.. #ukedchat I am unsure as to the usefulness of theories, personally felt most of my pgce was a waste of time... #ukedchat I am unsure as to the usefulness of theories, personally felt most of my pgce was a waste of time... #ukedchat @SwayGrantham This is poor practice on schools part #ukedchat
@ICTwitz @nmckain I agree. I haven't time to teach theories. Need uni on board for that #ukedchat #ukedchat full teaching allows to build proper 20:05:11 mrpeel relationship with classes.. again much depends on the course devised in the school #ukedchat although have learnt more on the teaching 20:05:13 lizdudley and learning front from the last couple of months on twitter than in the course! Something to be said for learning theory after doing 20:05:16 rashush2 some practical - nqt year maybe? #ukedchat #ukedchat just training at school may influence 20:05:2 Pekabelo pedagogy too much in one direction trainees need 4 space out of school to think and reflect. RT @eyebeams: People need theory underpinning 20:05:2 largerama practice. thats where action research comes in 8 #ukedchat - living theory: http://t.co/gjZ7GeKB 20:05:2 @SwayGrantham So what would you propose as ITT nmckain 9 model #ukedchat One the other hand, many uni tutors have not recent 20:05:36 ICTwitz experience to call upon, as classroom environments move with the times. #ukedchat @SwayGrantham how much time does he get to spend 20:05:43 nightzookeeper with a mentor? Does he get much time to study theory? #ukedchat @mrpeel definitely agree, you cannot expect people 20:05:46 SwayGrantham just to 'know' how to handle things...even if done stuff with kids before #ukedchat @eslweb im starting my PGCE in sept, trying to gather 20:05:51 iPGCE some ideas on how to reflect. i work as a cover now and would like 2 start? #ukedchat #ukedchat. Primary v Secondary. I needed my uni 20:06:10 SamanthaClewes degree to teach secondary. @SwayGrantham Theory is about reflecting on practice 20:06:14 eyebeams #ukedchat teaching is not just a functional skill it demeans if it is 20:06:1 #ukedchat GTP asignments allow for development of mrpeel 9 theory and reflective dialogue allows for exploration. 20:06:2 @mrpeel Does that not depend how much time you cherrylkd 2 have allotted to be mentor? #ukedchat 20:06:2 Some good sense in this OFSTED on ITT when u have DrMeganCrawford 3 time http://t.co/VAbZ6Qnv #ukedchat 20:06:37 Educationchat ITT needs to change. As part of NQT interview process 20:05:07 cherrylkd
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they took a Y6 Maths SAT. None of 7 got full marks. Lowest scored 24!!! #ukedchat #ukedchat Unis provide enormously wider range of theoretical background from which educators can choose their own path. @largerama TY #ukedchat fascinating @nmckain I like the style of the gtp, teaching level building up and time allocated to learning skills like planning and assessing #ukedchat initial Teacher Training requires positive aftercare. #ukedchat @SwayGrantham ditto - my course made me think there was only one right way of teaching - very robotic #ukedchat Some research I read stated how ITT in the classroom is all about how the trainee & teacher manage their relationship #ukedchat @mrpeel Can we be sure these assignments will be part of School Direct? #ukedchat My training I found that some lectures hadn't even taught in a Primary classroom. #ukedchat @eslweb I had 5 placements and each time dreaded going back to uni and having to sit and be talked at day after day... #ukedchat @nmckain no, and that is a worry... the better schools will insist, I hope. #ukedchat @eyebeams #ukedchat living theory even more in depth AR. Involves actually seein thru research rather than for sake of it.Essential ITT? all prospective future teacher need to have a test as to why they want to teach, not just 'There was nothing else for me to do' #ukedchat ITT these days seems to produce a lot of quite robotic teachers? #ukedchat @iPGCE Start with the lesson plans. Here's mine: http://t.co/Mr6o1FnJ It helps you to think about each lesson. #ukedchat @urban_teacher And positive 'during care...' #ukedchat Should we be calling for Trainee Teachers needing higher level of qualifications to get into the profession? #ukedchat @nightzookeeper he does more hrs as me as an nqt,
he goes to uni every 2 weeks in his ppa but isn't nqt so only 1 afternoon out #ukedchat In some areas professional hubs like Computing at 20:08:57 eyebeams Schools' help and nurture people at grass roots level #ukedchat @mikeatedji another excellent point. Time to think 20:09:0 nightzookeeper carefully about which path to take a teaching career. Uni 3 provides this opp #ukedchat #ukedchat interesting that the gvmnt prioritising 20:09:0 CanonsOPP academic success for entry to teaching, but don't feel it 6 vital for teacher training. why r Brits obsessed with rationalising & theorising 20:09:1 iPGCE teaching? do u think the same thought is given abroad 3 where results r better? #ukedchat 20:09:1 @JanP65 positive during care and postive after care. nmckain 4 Nicely put! #ukedchat @SwayGrantham #ukedchat Are you actually allowed 20:09:1 cherrylkd to say that?! I certainly had too much theory, not 7 enough c/room experience #ukedchat 20:09:2 What support are they going to give the mentor JanP65 2 teachers? Has this been considered? #ukedchat 20:09:2 @ICTwitz #ukedchat then i wud hav never hav got in. largerama 7 experience and life, passion etc count for a lot #ukedchat Problem is there already aren't enough jobs 20:09:3 Educationchat to go round. Each opening in our school attracts loads 9 of NQTs. Hard to find the best. @SwayGrantham I know that feeling, we only had 1 20:09:3 eslweb morning of lectures a week and that was MORE than 9 enough #ukedchat @eyebeams ok I was thinking more about the endless 20:09:5 SwayGrantham lectures at uni on things that couldn't apply directly to 7 classroom #ukedchat @rashush2 will that change if it is in schools? 20:10:07 DrMeganCrawford #ukedchat @ICTwitz certainly a need for quality subject knowledge 20:10:07 fturner1972 but some of best teachers I know were 2:2 #ukedchat @ICTwitz higher level of education not = good teacher 20:10:07 rashush2 #ukedchat #ukedchat no amount of theory can prepare for reality 20:10:08 mrpeel that way leads to the inability to respond to events and digress with confidence. 20:10:0 iPGCE @eslweb many thanks, i am looking to see how i can
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say things other than this/that went well/poor #ukedchat @mrpeel #ukedchat I agree. But theories would need much more than that. RT @largerama: RT @eyebeams: People need theory underpinning practice. thats where action research comes in #ukedchat - living theory: http://t.co/gjZ7GeKB @SwayGrantham I did my PGCE through Nottingham SCITT and it was fab. 4 days teaching, 1 day reflection/theory #ukedchat @ICTwitz that depends - I think most important quality for teacher is dedication - can a qual measure this? #ukedchat RT @CanonsOPP: #ukedchat interesting that the gvmnt prioritising academic success for entry to teaching, but don't feel it vital for teacher training. #ukedchat evening all :) RT @rashush2: @ICTwitz higher level of education not = good teacher #ukedchat Is this an evidence based decision? Is there evidence that PGCE is a less valuable route than on job training? #ukedchat I think also, well chosen essay titles give trainees a chance to reflect. #ukedchat @SheliBB That sounds like a good mix! #ukedchat @cherrylkd #ukedchat but its a shared proces - the trainee must research for self as well. Then mentor, then EBITT (RIP) trianing sessions @nmckain only anecdotal #ukedchat @largerama With that spelling....!!!! ;-) #ukedchat @largerama @ICTwitz enthusiasm for teaching and a love of learning and being in the classroom must count for more #ukedchat @cherrylkd @SwayGrantham #ukedchat I did my GTP one of the first years it was available. I was on 90% timetable day 1 with no theory! I found my GTP really useful as assignments allowed me to reflect on theories and had lots of classroom exp to try them out. #ukedchat @cherrylkd perhaps i was unclear - Meant classroom time was good/useful, uni time was poor. Gtp would
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have suited me better #ukedchat @Engleeshteacher find the #ukedchat discussion and join in. @SwayGrantham I would agree - there needs to be instantiation of theory into practice at every stage #ukedchat #ukedchat If we value ed theory as much as classroom experience we should be valuing BEd for secondary. I really enjoyed my university bits of ITT at Bath Uni lectures were mostly good. Most important bit was reflecting with others #ukedchat @Monty_Math Yes, because you are showing dedication to your qualification, and working at getting a good final outcome. #ukedchat @eslweb we were all day every day in between placements #ukedchat @eslweb GTP and PGCE courses cover this. Will it be the case if run by schools? Will it get bumped? #ukedchat @iPGCE #ukedchat Because it's too important to be left to "charismatic" teachers or to winging it... Agree that theory is definitely needed. But soon forgotten - great teachers do the theory bits naturally. #ukedchat #ukedchat NQTs struggle to be judged outstanding or good at start. Which schools will take risk as Ofsted focus more heavily on teaching? @CanonsOPP Agree #ukedchat @largerama @ICTwitz agree and passion for children and learning, seeing the 'light bulb' moment is always such a joy #ukedchat @CanonsOPP That's a curve ball! #ukedchat @eslweb @iPGCE James start with a space for staff to talk and reflect as well #ukedchat @DidgeH How will grest teachers 'do' the theory bits naturally? Seems unlikely #ukedchat @nmckain #ukedchat Definitely not. Worry at secondary level is that not enough teachers know ed psychology well enough as it is. I found theory during PGCE interesting and worthwhile
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but longer placements would have been good too, it's a tricky one #ukedchat @SheliBB that sounds like a much better model, we had lectures for months in between placements #ukedchat What happens after they 'train in school' Does that opening then go to another trainee? Where are the jobs for those who complete? #ukedchat @Educationchat its good to hear though, means standards will rise with healthy amount of competition. #ukedchat @eyebeams @iPGCE Too true... #ukedchat #ukedchat at the risk of being shot at, how do ppl feel about trainees having a minimum time out of edu before training can start...? @Educationchat oh but they're so cheap!! #ukedchat @MyersClaire sounds like my friend's teach first this year!! #ukedchat how did you find it? @JillLavs u shud be in #ukedchat now me thinks. up ur street RT @CanonsOPP: #ukedchat If we value ed theory as much as classroom experience we should be valuing BEd for secondary. @MyersClaire @swaygrantham #ukedchat I did too. Think that's why I found theories too much. Needed time for planning and reflecting @nmckain: @CanonsOPP That's a curve ball! #ukedchat >> I'll take that as a compliment. @CanonsOPP Agreed. Surely encouraging all staff to undertake MA, Med etc is also important? #ukedchat @SheliBB @SwayGrantham was that throughout the whole course Sheli? I bet that was full on, especially when just starting #ukedchat #Ukedchat Should trainee teachers be graded rather than just pass or fail? @JanP65 training in schol can not guarantee a job in that school. No training does or should. #ukedchat @ICTwitz maybe -but dedication or aptitude to a subject I.e maths does not necessarily trans into dedication in helping chn learn #ukedchat @CanonsOPP That's how it was intended!! #ukedchat
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#ukedchat I really don't think where/how u train will ever fully prepare u for the needs of each class. I learn 2 teach again every Sept! @JanP65 was great for me as I had been teaching unqualified and wanted to stay in the classroom #ukedchat #scitt @SwayGrantham @mikeatedji well take the international league tables by PISA - countries like Korea, China they focus on rote learning not TEEP #ukedchat @nightzookeeper You'd hope so but hard to find the best amongst so many similar application forms.... #ukedchat RT @LearningSpy: #Ukedchat Should trainee teachers be graded rather than just pass or fail? #ukedchat @mrpeel Some life experience would seem to be a good thing #ukedchat #ukedchat A principal objection to Uni courses appears to be that too many lecturers have too little or no recent classroom experience #ukedchat I can confidently say that opinions on the best route into teaching align exactly with the route taken by the opinion holder @jwinchester25 GTP was great.Loads of time to reflect. Twitter helped that and writing up for blog. Best for those with some exp. #ukedchat We've all seen student tchrs who try for the job, "because they didn't know what else to do" & are rubbish...then pass the course! #ukedchat @LearningSpy #ukedchat we grade ours by OFSTED levels on our EBITT My concern with school based training, is that the system is heavily rigged by 1 or 2 people. At least uni has oversight, #ukedchat 1/2 @nmckain Why? #ukedchat @melonbellol it all depends where those longer placements are, how much support you get and the variety of teaching you experience #ukedchat @SwayGrantham #ukedchat Horrendous but if you can survive that nothing can faze you! @mrpeel I agree but if spaces always go to trainees where are the jobs for gradutes to apply for? #ukedchat
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@nmckain It is but I bet that solely work-based trainees wd be at a disadvantage at accessing this later in careers. #ukedchat MT @MiltonSchwarz: I really dont think where/how u train will ever fully prepare u fully. I learn 2 teach again every Sept! #ukedchat @iPGCE #ukedchat But is that something you would seek to replicate? Is it desirable? @mrpeel EBITT? Why don't most courses do this? #ukedchat @nightzookeeper @swaygrantham I taught children with ASDs full time whilst doing my degree, so SCITT was slightly easier! #ukedchat A corrupt teacher can ask for Schemes of Work, resources and to do all the teaching for them. #ukedchat Who stops that? 2/2 @Monty_Math But if I am being taught, I want to get the knowledge and understanding from an 'expert' in the subject. #ukedchat @eslweb is it? I'd not noticed #ukedchat what do you mean? #ukedchat and having worked with some researchers, their research is serving their needs rather a classrooms @LearningSpy I think that this would really help with own learning - it's what we do for the students #ukedchat @nmckain @LearningSpy This would increase competition #ukedchat @LearningSpy because they do what works best with their class - then they find out or rediscover the theory behind it (MA work) #ukedchat @SwayGrantham #ukedchat Yes. We're at crossed purposes here. That's cleared that up. RT @largerama: RT @eyebeams: People need theory underpinning practice. thats where action research comes in #ukedchat - living theory: http://t.co/gjZ7GeKB @eslweb And people who cross fertilise - I'd go so far as to say there should be numerous stakeholders #ukedchat @LearningSpy: #Ukedchat Should trainee teachers be graded rather than just pass or fail? >> Nope. RT @ICTwitz I understand the proposals, but think
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teacher trainees need an understanding of pupil development theories. #ukedchat < crucial @nmckain I agree. That makes sense #ukedchat @iPGCE #ukedchat But is that something you would wish to replicate? Is it desirable? @Michael_Merrick Really? Mine wasn't. And none of the trainees I've worked with in the past 12 years have been either. Weird. #ukedchat @nmckain loved my MA and would love to do an DEd but you don't need one to teach Y1 well #ukedchat @mrpeel I mean that in some school based systems if you do not get along with your mentor, you are toast... #ukedchat @jenniferrick intersting #ukedchat on ITT and school based assessment search for #ukedchat @Educationchat I guess so, do you have an interview process involving lesson obs? I guess its tricky to judge on one lesson... #ukedchat @LearningSpy I asumed they did. EBITT is dead under govt... but we always grade. #ukedchat@eslweb @iPGCE @mikeatedji New Zealand is also very high on the PISA tables and we focus deeply on process, theory and the whole person #ukedchat @cherrylkd @SwayGrantham same, theories seemed to be rushed without going into why they're important. More school practice needed #ukedchat Grading trainees has to happen. When it happens needs to be professional judgment of mentor agreed with trainee #ukedchat @LearningSpy we were judged by satis, good or outstanding on my pgce course... #ukedchat @mikeatedji I believe performance & results conquer all. I would ask myself would i want my child to succeed or be 'taught well' #ukedchat @SamanthaClewes Is that a bad thing? #ukedchat @SamanthaClewes Is that a bad thing? #ukedchat @johnmayo That is why Action Research is so useful and why it appears so toxic to so many governments it's expensive and empowers #ukedchat @johnmayo That is why Action Research is so useful
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and why it appears so toxic to so many governments it's expensive and empowers #ukedchat 20:17:47 JanP65 @selweb I have seen that too! #ukedchat 20:17:47 JanP65 @selweb I have seen that too! #ukedchat @ICTwitz too many to remember that shouldn't have 20:17:48 NatashaCowan passed have. Scary!! #ukedchat @ICTwitz too many to remember that shouldn't have 20:17:48 NatashaCowan passed have. Scary!! #ukedchat 20:17:51 LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Because? #Ukedchat 20:17:51 LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Because? #Ukedchat @learningcollect Yes but they shouldn't be passing 20:17:5 Educationchat them! The number of application forms with spelling 9 mistakes... #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat the assessor? We run a series of 20:18:04 mrpeel monitoring visits from the EBITT as well- -i se yr point though @eyebeams Just imagine if somebody arranged a 20:18:11 eslweb conference in Cambridge, say, this Sat so that all teachers could do that #ukedchat #tmeast @CanonsOPP #ukedchat we grade the scitt trainees in 20:18:11 anhalf Dorset @rashush2 No but they can be greatly professionally 20:18:14 DrMeganCrawford refreshing- more yr 1 teachers needed on EdDs! #ukedchat @MissJLud agree, it was hard work, long hours trying to 20:18:16 jwinchester25 fit planning, assignments etc. in but lots of opportunities to reflect!! #ukedchat 20:18:2 @SwayGrantham @learningspy For lessons or as CanonsOPP 4 trainees full stop. Big difference. #ukedchat 20:18:2 Got to be able to fail trainees without incurring financial rashush2 4 hits! #ukedchat @LearningSpy not sure grading would be the way - e.g. 20:18:2 mrthomson a lot of my dev came post PGCE..maybe not made 4 possible if grading was low #ukedchat @eyebeams I am not knocking research but some have 20:18:30 johnmayo heads up own a....... #ukedchat @Edutronic_Net @mikeatedji sorry i was referring to 20:18:34 iPGCE those at the top of PISA #ukedchat 20:18:3 @lizdudley And as an employer I'd like to know if you've LearningSpy 9 scraped though or whether you're top notch #ukedchat #ukedchat children are educated by what the grown-up 20:18:55 dan_bowen is and not by his talk -carl Jung
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@NatashaCowan I always assumed that was how uni's got their money, by passing student!!! Hmm! #ukedchat @LearningSpy yes.ofsted gradings used next yr - don't MissJLud get that as I'm sure ITT performance can't equate to outstanding at Ofsted. #ukedchat @nmckain Has anyone else come across trainees Cinderhills completing the AO route this year? Where does that fit in the scheme of things? #ukedchat @nmckain grading trainees isn't necessary. Not passing reflectivemaths ones that shouldn't pass is necessary #ukedchat @eslweb I agree - removes the safeguard (and other smurfatik perspective) that having a person outside your school gives #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat And then annoyingly go on to get cherrylkd jobs. Many good ones can't find jobs. @eslweb cant do for this Sat, but always open to offers! DrMeganCrawford #ukedchat #ukedchat I think there could be more co-obs training NatashaCowan between uni mentors and school mentors to have accurate judgements @LearningSpy though it does depend on the grading mrthomson system. If you were grading on a good range of criteria #ukedchat @iPGCE #ukedchat Seriously? I'm not with you on that! mikeatedji Education without wisdom can be dangerous @LearningSpy me too! But sound like one of my lizdudley students when I don't grade their work but just give feedback! #ukedchat @nmckain agreed..we have vast amount of training ad anhalf guidance as sbts in dorset for scitt #ukedchat @keelygriffiths I was very nearly leaving and it ruined SwayGrantham my confidence in the classroom. Thankfully my HT saw what I could be! #ukedchat @anhalf: @CanonsOPP #ukedchat we grade the scitt CanonsOPP trainees in Dorset >> The trainees or their lessons?? I prefer to see things first hand so that it makes more MoreEddoes sense when I read about it later. #ukedchat @LearningSpy Could tempt the best teachers into MrOCallaghanICT Private schools as I assume they'd have the funds to offer better salary? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham Who was that with? Are you awarded LearningSpy 'satisfactory' or 'good' QTS? #ukedchat ICTwitz
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It would be great for it to be easier to do action research in funding and release terms #ukedchat how true dis @dan_bowen: #ukedchat children are educated by what the grown-up is and not by his talk -carl Jung @eslweb ;) exactly oh you mean this one? http://t.co/l0O2VOY5 #ukedchat #ukedchat The quality of training is very important. My second TP I never saw the class teacher - she knitted in staffroom for 6 weeks! @cherrylkd <sighs> Very annoying, but tempting to HT's as they are cheaper than experienced! #ukedchat @mrthomson ME too. But if there had been grading would we have tried harder? #ukedchat @LearningSpy @lizdudley Isn't that for you to find out for yourself via interview & application process. #ukedchat @reflectivemaths Grading trainees might be necessary for some that want it. One size doesn't fit all though #ukedchat @CanonsOPP @learningspy both, each lesson got that and on course based to how well our standards were met we got an overall grade #ukedchat @ICTwitz -if we can get subj know &passion for helping chn learn great - but if I had to pick 1 would be passion over subj know #ukedchat @mikeatedji @Edutronic_Net #ukedchat what worries me is SMTs and HODs who push staff to teach via TEEP for the sake of TEEP for OSTEDs sake @CanonsOPP As trainees full stop. #ukedchat @MissJLud ofsted trainee levels are different #ukedchat@reflectivemaths @eyebeams That's amazing... How did we manage that so fast... #ukedchat @LearningSpy @lizdudley I know how well I've passed but think QTS should have grades to show it.Degrees do so why not QTS?! #ukedchat @LearningSpy #Ukedchat Defo - future employers (schools) need to have an idea of the quality of teacher they might potentially employ. @reflectivemaths #ukedchat how true. And
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surprisingly difficult to fail a GTP... @LearningSpy @lizdudley My course was graded at M MrsDrSarah level or 'professional graduate' level, both qts, but different writing grades. #ukedchat @iPGCE @Edutronic_Net That is valid point I think mikeatedji #ukedchat So just to clarify what exactly are the main pros and nmckain cons of PGCE route vs GTP/School Direct route #ukedchat @ICTwitz makes sense. Plus they are keen to have NatashaCowan high success rates! #ukedchat @LearningSpy university of Warwick, so I got SwayGrantham outstanding for meeting qts standards in my final report #ukedchat RT @NatashaCowan #ukedchat more co-obs training anhalf between uni mentors and school mentors to have accurate judgements< agree..we do this :-D @mathnqt thanks for the retweet. Now trying to learn DrMeganCrawford about #ukedchat steep learning curve! @anhalf @CanonsOPP All ITT providers have to grade sjwilk their trainees for the annual self-evaluation sent to OFSTED. #ukedchat @ePaceonline did she at least give you any of her nightzookeeper creations at the end of your placement? ;-) #ukedchat @CanonsOPP Don't we need to know if an NQT has LearningSpy just scraped though or if they're amazing? #ukedchat I learned more in my first half-term of teaching then my Educationchat whole PGCE year. Learning on the job, in the classroom is way forward. #ukedchat @Edutronic_Net but not top like the Asian countries i iPGCE was referring too??? Which i have experience of working in #ukedchat @ethinking @learningspy yeah certificate does but took SwayGrantham the report to interviews lol #ukedchat @LearningSpy #ukedchat It is far too heavily harryp25 dependent on the school/teacher you get on final placement for performance to be graded. @SwayGrantham @learningspy That makes me sad. CanonsOPP Labelling. What about under new standards. Is requires improvement enough?? #ukedchat @CanonsOPP trainees at end of spr/sum anhalf placement...not lessons !! #ukedchat
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@nmckain School route doesn't give enough time/ space for focussed objective reflection #ukedchat @CanonsOPP Why make it hard to find out? #ukedchat @LearningSpy I suspect that would egg on certain people, but some people need more than the year to really get into their element #ukedchat @NatashaCowan Remember my PGCE. Took ages to make HUGE file, then tutor quickly flipped through it saying it looked great!!! GGRR #ukedchat #ukedchat @Educationchat are you allowing your own experience to colour your judgement? I assume this was quite a few years ago? @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Isn't that what the report is for? #ukedchat or are they getting rid of it? @melonbellol yes, I think I was mostly lucky. Had a tough final placement but def helped with my behavior management #ukedchat @LearningSpy Awful. I was 'sound' (aka satisfactory) as NQT. From Sept wd be requires improvement and not taken. Now outstanding. #ukedchat #ukedchat - some thoughts on grading usefulness (or not) from Alfie kohn http://t.co/O3axuEL9 @sjwilk exactly..just like sch ITT providers hav to show progrss made :-) #ukedchat @nmckain I personally wouldn't choose to grade anyone. I don't think it improves teaching. #ukedchat @Cinderhills #ukedchat not necessarily so depends on trianee and mentor and whatis in place. We run trainee blog for all out gtps Grading trainees suggests that the job of growing a teacher should be complete by the end of their first year.. not true #ukedchat @mrpeel are they? Are they just making sure all ITT providers use the same then? As in GTP and PGCE as ATM they are different. #ukedchat It must be horrific to be ofsteded whilst a trainee :S #ukedchat @Cinderhills Can it if done in a good training school with SLT and mentors devoted to staff training and development? #ukedchat @anhalf we do, but only 1 a student to agree grading.
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Most often uni are grade higher than us and up the student's grade overall #ukedchat @nightzookeeper #ukedchat Nope..... wasn't allowed in staff room either, had to sit with kids at break. Made me very resilient though!! @nmckain #ukedchat GTP in my opinion leaves trainees far more prepared for the realities of life as an NQT. @keelygriffiths first year has been fab, hard work, but great just glad I never have to go through that year again! #ukedchat Just got in. What is the topic of #ukedchat tonight? @DrMeganCrawford @mathnqt welcome and good luck :-) #ukedchat RT@LearningSpy: #Ukedchat Should trainee teachers be graded rather than just pass or fail? << interesting question. @Educationchat what did you think of the time you were observing teachers then whilst on your placements? helpful or negligible? #ukedchat #ukedchat so - are we going to move on from telling stories and comparing courses to a real debate on what trainees need? @LearningSpy Satisfying to grade and reward effort. Most challenging part disagreeing with self-assessment: ouch both ways! #ukedchat @LearningSpy Why? Context is king. More about their potential. That's what we work with. If we're good enough that's enough. #ukedchat @ICTwitz me too. And the assignments before MA credits but still graded were of little use. #ukedchat @mrdebarton @learningspy why not just make 'pass' mean really rather capable of doing their job. #ukedchat An important, and explicit, part of our independent teacher training was that new teachers could change cultures. #ukedchat @reflectivemaths when i assess for QTS I grade - this gets passed to the ITT centre. I think it is important #ukedchat @nightzookeeper #ukedchat I did learn though that I never wanted to be a teacher like her.
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@ethinking Steady....no. I enjoyed my PGCE but having a class is SO different! Can't prepare for it. #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @nmckain Mentoring usually helps over grading and collaboration and modelling/ scaffolding - that too perhaps? #ukedchat @Educationchat I did a 4yr primary B.Ed Hons learnt so much pedagogical theory as well in sch training So many gave up after 2yrs #ukedchat @ICTwitz @natashacowan I had this experience exactly, I'm not sure they cared in the slightest about the folder in the end!! #ukedchat @0engteacher0 @learningspy same. Scared about fact ITT levels aren't same as Ofsted. Exceptional at GTP may be rubbish at Ofsted! #ukedchat @NatashaCowan I know, I know, I know! ggrr!!! #ukedchat #ukedchat.why are you obsessing about summative grades? I thought you all rejected Gove's mantra of testing and measurement? @SwayGrantham doesn't get any easier! But always great fun :) #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat That's disgraceful! Hope you reported her. People rarely do after the event tho. Just happy to get through #ukedchat Unis also have the space (schools don't) to develop e.g. robust ideas about edu for sustainability which cn be brought to schools @sjwilk @anhalf After a year? Sad. The QTS is an indicator of potential. The rest is up to us, unless we want to be Ofsted. #ukedchat @TeachNorthern Good point. Its all about the dialouge between trainee and mentor. Sometimes difficult but has to be honest #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @nmckain this also breeds a system where everyone is grading one another and not concentrating on learning #ukedchat #ukedchat I learnt more on job and from moving schools than did in PGCE. Also action research for MA huge learning curve @mrdebarton @nmckain A lot of GTPs just get exploited. #ukedchat @NatashaCowan that's interesting...we are usually in
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agreement...#ukedchat @SwayGrantham @learningspy if you hadn't met the qts standards, would that not have been 'not passed'? #ukedchat @ePaceonline @nightzookeeper I've heard of others in schools like that, keep you out and say things are 'confidential' #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @learningspy #ukedchat because there are shades of grey - not all teachers are of equal ability and we shouldn't pretend so #ukedchat FACT: there is one new set of standards for all teachers, trainee or qualified. @CanonsOPP @LearningSpy I was satisfactory NQT, plus a while after, much due to not having a classroom for 5 years. Gd -O'standing.#ukedchat @MissJLud outstanding equates to good, I would say the as NQT the training must continue. I see this as an area of weakness... #ukedchat @ethinking after you.... #ukedchat @SwayGrantham How frustrating, especially when you file them into standards order etc...worrying about any tiny gaps of evidence! #ukedchat Will potential curriculum changes penalize this years' PGCE cohort? #ukedchat @LearningSpy Because we are about lifelong learning & potential development. If we can't do the same for adults we are hypocrites. #ukedchat @CanonsOPP Me too. I understand the point. Not sure if that's right though #ukedchat @MissJLud @learningspy @lizdudley Finished PGCE last year. Four review points during year, all with grades. Is this not standard? #ukedchat @mrdebarton #ukedchat yes, espec if hav some backgrn working with chn @nmckain @reflectivemaths I am awaiting my grade after completing myPGCE but not sure it is going to really matter in the long run!#ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot @LearningSpy @canonsopp I worry that that would mean rich schools pay for the higher graded teachers.
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#ukedchat @ePaceonline that's an important lesson to learn and the only one I imagine she gave you... #ukedchat @thought_weavers @SwayGrantham @ethinking I find university references can obfuscate #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @learningspy 'unsatisfactory' was on the report #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. @NatashaCowan There's a lot to be said for change of schools on a regular basis #ukedchat @mrdebarton Shades of gray.I thought we were onto talking about something else entirely! #ukedchat @ethinking: #ukedchat.why are you obsessing about summative grades? I thought you all rejected Gove's mantra of testing and measurement? @SwayGrantham I think just about everyone feels that at the end of their 1st year! (didn't realise had walked into a #ukedchat about TT) :) @ePaceonline I know the new lot at Sunderland will be....#ukedchat @Educationchat true but I think you need the head start that a pgce gives you #ukedchat @iPGCE Very much dependent on school/teacher. One left me to it from day 1, the other was better but learned little from them. #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: @eslweb #ukedchat agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat The trouble with teacher training is often the content not the structure. #ukedchat @ethinking Couldn't agree more. Let's read the report not look at the numbers. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: The trouble with teacher training is often the content not the structure. #ukedchat Some mentors are odd, my MFL wife after her 1st yr was told that all her PPT background must be green and all fonts be comic sans #ukedchat @nmckain does either provide much philosophy of education? Wonder if GTP/direct route does much at all. #ukedchat RT @Engleeshteacher: @mrpeel definately a goo didea
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GTP should be about life experience #ukedchat RT @nmckain: RT @ePaceonline: @eslweb #ukedchat agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat @ethinking: #ukedchat FACT: there is one new set of standards for all teachers, trainee or qualified. >>Let's see the new attrition rates! @ICTwitz I hate that. I was made to do that scrupulously in my first placement and my mentor didn't even look at it. Grrr #ukedchat @ePaceonline @eslweb Hmm would they though without meeting up with people behind the tweets? And a variety of communities? #ukedchat @mrpeel agree.Need more training next year.bAs GTP it's implied we've already had our NQT training whereas it needs to go on. #ukedchat @ICTwitz @reflectivemaths @NatashaCowan Process of making the file that was important, not how long the tutor spent checking #ukedchat My grandad taught for over 40 yrs& laughed when he saw all my PGCE text books.He told me nothing is as valuable as actual teaching #ukedchat #ukedchat Gove vision for school led ITE is correct. Far more effective than Uni led ITE. GTP has the classroom rigour some PGCE lacks. #ukedchat problems: 1 mentors receive no payment or time allowance and often no real training... @davidwebster From experience Uni route does. Schools route depends on training school and quality of mentor #ukedchat @MoreEddoes All venting our own trainee frustrations this evening via #ukedchat #ukedchat Best trainees enter their training with personal perspectives on what they have to offer to children to further learning. @iPGCE For inclusion perhaps? Was that because some children were dyslexic? #ukedchat @LearningSpy @canonsopp #ukedchat Mentors have diff standards, & each placement is diff. Middle class area comp 2 poor area. Hard 2 compare @eyebeams having moved after 3 yrs I think all teacher's should at least HB sabbatical term in another
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school. #ukedchat @MrTomGarner @CanonsOPP We label them before when we award degrees. How different is this? #ukedchat #ukedchat 2: some schools treat trainees as an inconvenience or as a slave Quality of mentors can make a huge difference. Never saw my first 1 teach, wrote instructions on WB, sat down at desk and marked. #ukedchat @mrdebarton Is there much of a mechanism for intervention? #ukedchat It's not as if teachers are retained well even after qualifying. @nightzookeeper @naace this scares me as I'm teaching ks4 ict although not my specialist subject, already put of depth at times #ukedchat @NatashaCowan @eyebeams That's an excellent idea. #ukedchat @cherrylkd #ukedchat I didn't very dare! @reflectivemaths Not saying it was worthless. Not at all. Learned a lot. Enjoyed it immensely. But learned more on the job. #ukedchat @davidwebster @nmckain my PGCE did a whole module on philosophy/education #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @learningspy Sispect that chains and Teaching Schools may already be carving this up. #ukedchat #ukedchat 3 GTPs can be very isolated and have trouble reflecting @eslweb @reflectivemaths @NatashaCowan Of course it wasespecially as you were told it ALL depended on whether youd pass or not #ukedchat @eslweb @ictwitz @natashacowan I don't recall many people taking the process v seriously. Felt very much like box ticking #ukedchat @mathnqt @nightzookeeper @naace Don't worry plenty of us out here to help. #ukedchat What was I to learn from that? Used intiative and found allies elsewhere. Did nothing for my confidence. #ukedchat #ukedchat Learning to manage in a classroom is easy & can be done on job. Learning to move yourself and the profession forward takes time.
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@MoreEddoes her line was for departmental standards > SEN - but as a HOD why not state these requirements in September not June? #ukedchat @CanonsOPP So would you not classify degrees or grade exams? #ukedchat @mrpeel True Say. #ukedchat @eslweb was making file important?I didn't need to photocopy students work or my marking and waste time,I needed to have done it.. #ukedchat #ukedchat @nmckain @epaceonline @eslweb look at the work of strathclyde and plymouth http://t.co/9qYaDw6m #ukedchat having read over 400 applications for teaching posts in 2 yrs, the fact is qualification pails in significance to passion & belief @LearningSpy @mrtomgarner Because a degree is the end of something. QTS is the start of something. Or not if grades rule the day. #ukedchat We employ people who think that the STPCD is a sexually transmitted disease and work so hard that they will never catch it anyway. #ukedchat @mrpeel Why can't peer mentoring work other than within a commercial corporate structure - include career dev in it then #ukedchat @iPGCE I have heard comments like that through all sorts of courses too. Makes you kind of scared, #ukedchat @SwayGrantham Perhaps your file was different to mine.. #ukedchat Needs to be more subject specific training and development - too much generic pedagogy #ukedchat @reflectivemaths That's what gets my goat. All this fuss over nothing! Running around like headless chickens! #ukedchat #ukedchat I want to know what people think trainees actually need, regardless of their own experiences. #ukedchat New Schools Direct programme will allow schools/partnerships to seize the ITE agenda and move away from Uni based courses. #ukedchat we grade degrees because they are the end of something. Teacher training is meant to be the start of something.
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@eyebeams #ukedchat for many the mentor is the last one left in the staff room when the bottle stops spinning... all wrong. #ukedchat Fascinated by the way the UK seems to only be able to assess things as dichotomies. @mrpeel problems: 2: mentors pass on their version of professional practice, flaws and all #ukedchat @eslweb @nightzookeeper @naace thankyou think I might need it! Lots of reading and learning to do over the hols. #ukedchat #ukedchat quality if in school professional themes and support varies too much as well so gd ITT students in Autumn can digress. @reflectivemaths: @eslweb I don't recall many people taking the process v seriously. Felt very much like box ticking #ukedchat - agreed RT New Point @Michael_Merrick: Needs to be more subject specific training and development - too much generic pedagogy #ukedchat RT @Michael_Merrick: Needs to be more subject specific training and development - too much generic pedagogy #ukedchat #ukedchat @Educationchat based on that view - the world finishes on the eastlancs road and is still flat. @Educationchat how awful would your first year have been if you'd not had pace? #ukedchat #ukedchat @CanonsOPP a degree is not the end of something. It is the start of a thoughtful, critical professional. RT @CanonsOPP: we grade degrees because they are the end of something. Teacher training is meant to be the start of something. #ukedchat #ukedchat in an ideal world trainees would have few diff placements in dif types of schools. Schools can be so diff even in same age range @mathnqt @naace sure, there is a great many people on here that you can ask for advice from. Very supportive environment #ukedchat @eyebeams @NatashaCowan Agree. Learned the most from moving jobs/schools a few years ago. Each school is it's own universe. #ukedchat @iPGCE @educationchat observations depended on
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quality of teacher - some just wanted 'frees' & graded based on what they would be #ukedchat @Cinderhills #ukedchat possibly so, but good mentors encourage reflective dialogue and learn as much as the trainee. #ukedchat I needed a rigorous academic foundation, independent input AND classroom experience to become a competent teacher. @ethinking #ukedchat, will have a look at the link, thanks. @SwayGrantham @eslweb PGCE has prepared me for the endless paper work and pointless initiatives involved in education! #ukedchat Maybe putting reams of paper in files on pgces is their way of preparing teachers for useless paperwork? #ukedchat RT @Edutronic_Net: #ukedchat I needed a rigorous academic foundation, independent input AND classroom experience to become a competent teacher. #ukedchat 'Outstanding' trainees really don't stand out in application, unless they have personal, strongly-held philosophies and beliefs. RT @oldandrewuk: The trouble with teacher training is often the content not the structure. #ukedchat #ukedchat being a mentor to a student teacher is on thing being the teacher of them is another. Love my PGCE great teaching is key I fear a HoD who does not listen to the suggestions of the department staff. I can feel the friction where my wife works not nice. #ukedchat #ukedchat Why is this discussion starting with assessment. Shouldnt we start with what they need to learn? RT @nmckain: RT @ePaceonline: @eslweb #ukedchat agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat RT @Edutronic_Net: #ukedchat I needed a rigorous academic foundation, independent input AND classroom experience to become a competent teacher. @JamiePortman agree! But the pressure for exam passes encourages spoon feeding at times #ukedchat @oliverquinlan It's difficult. I grant you that. I think there
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needs to be more focus on pedagogy #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat @CanonsOPP a degree is not the end of something. It is the start of a thoughtful, critical professional. @CanonsOPP @learningspy what's to stop forward thinking academies coming to an agreement with some unis to have their best ones? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham I did the whole four-year BEd course, were jealous of the PGCE bunch till we talked to them they said same as you #ukedchat #ukedchat my own worst memory of teaching placement was realising just how easy it was to catch nits. Managed to avoid in all yrs since!! @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Grading trainees is useful, but one grade cannot describe a teacher or be used to set targets #ukedchat @cherrylkd @LearningSpy @canonsopp Then mentors needed to be more consistently and better trained surely? #ukedchat Top 10 To Do's for Teachers during Summer #ukedchat #edchat http://t.co/2rrwSglv RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Why is this discussion starting with assessment. Shouldnt we start with what they need to learn? @Educationchat #ukedchat agree - PGCE needs to be left to wither on the vine so school led ITE provision can flourish. Lets get practical! What best practice can you offer on how best to train/mentor new colleagues on the job? Please RT #ukedchat I felt my pgce needed to practise what they preach...differentiation and active lesson not talking at us all for hours at a time #ukedchat @oliverquinlan Former can depend on school, community, context relationships and fair degree of luck sometimes. #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @nmckain @epaceonline @eslweb look at the work of strathclyde and plymouth http://t.co/9qYaDw6m RT @Edutronic_Net: #ukedchat I needed a rigorous academic foundation, independent input AND classroom experience to become a competent teacher.
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@MrTomGarner @learningspy @canonsopp you've got 20:34:36 MissJLud a point.Guess what's most important is the outcome for our classes &!not our CVs. #ukedchat RT @nmckain: RT @ePaceonline: @eslweb #ukedchat 20:34:38 mikallaane agreed, I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat @eyebeams @mrpeel #ukedchat peer mentoring is 20:34:44 cherrylkd good. But this is training rather than mentoring #ukedchat @ICTwitz by whom? Our trainees discuss 20:34:48 oliverquinlan pedagogy with me every session. RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Why is this discussion 20:34:4 CanonsOPP starting with assessment. Shouldnt we start with what 9 they need to learn? RT @nmckain: Lets get practical! What best practice 20:34:56 ICTwitz can you offer on how best to train/mentor new colleagues on the job? #ukedchat 20:35:0 @LearningSpy @canonsopp I don't think the pgce is an reflectivemaths 2 exam nor should it be treated like one. #ukedchat @mrpeel @Cinderhills #ukedchat how do we make 20:35:04 peter8green sure we get good mentors? RT @nightzookeeper: @oliverquinlan:a degree is not 20:35:11 DrMeganCrawford the end of something. It is the start of a thoughtful, critical professional. #ukedchat Is school based ITT easier to differentiated & tailored to 20:35:11 ICTmagic the needs of that new colleague better than big uni cohorts? #ukedchat @LearningSpy Only if grade is used to inform NQT 20:35:2 JamesTheo year. Would/should PGCE 'outstanding' equate to 2 Oftsed's 'outstanding'? #ukedchat 20:35:2 RT @Gwenelope: Each school is it's own universe. keelygriffiths 4 #ukedchat > could not agree more @oliverquinlan #ukedchat but in EBITT model the 20:35:2 mrpeel mentor is the key trainer. Sort that out and you are on 8 the way to success. @rapclassroom I've been told assessment is such a 20:35:3 MoreEddoes grey area. Even experienced teachers don't understand 2 it fully. #ukedchat @oliverquinlan good point, what in your opinion are the 20:35:3 nightzookeeper main learnings students take from your degree at Plym? 2 #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @learningspy Nothing but therein lies 20:35:37 CanonsOPP anti-collaboration and the same things we see in
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rampant private sectors. #ukedchat Trainees need to learn how to ask the best questions #ukedchat @pw2tweets @karlrivers It's free...Unless I've misunderstood. It didn't cost my school anything. #ukedchat Discipline Strategies in the Music Classroom #ukedchat #edchat #musiced http://t.co/vjS5ItFk @SwayGrantham that's universities for you. Stuck in their ways #ukedchat @Gwenelope @learningspy @canonsopp #ukedchat you can't help the area of placement. You wouldn't be as successful in a deprived area really Are all teachers qualified to be mentors? Skilled to properly support students. This needs to be considered if the move happens #ukedchat @JamesTheo #ukedchat no it shouodln't - it's a training year and must allow for the lack of expreience I have just finished my GTP. A lot of hoop jumping which I found frustrating - a lot of the best practice seemed natural to me #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @Educationchat All depends on quality of PGCE. Mine was a SCITT based one, 3 years old. Learned far more as NQT. #ukedchat @cherrylkd @mrpeel Fari enough but training, in my book, is something you do with dogs or seals ;) #ukedchat @JamesTheo @learningspy I think it should because otherwise its easily confused and misrepresented but feel often it doesnt equate #ukedchat @nmckain Coaching, coaching, coaching!!! Reflection upon reflection. #ukedchat @peter8green Are good mentors born or made? Does it depend on character or experience? #ukedchat @JamesTheo @LearningSpy No should not equate. The trainee should grow further as an NQT. Development is a journey. #ukedchat @SwayGrantham I agree that this can sometimes be the case however every uni differs in their delivery, as schools do with the NC #ukedchat @PeterSpencer88 @nmckain interesting- was useful? Would hope all r exposed to varied ideas- come 2 see
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all teaching as political? #ukedchat #ukedchat Without significant precautions, edu can 20:37:06 mikeatedji equip ppl merely 2B more effective vandals of the Earthso more edu for sustainability @oliverquinlan By all. From gvt, to uni's to teachers. 20:37:06 ICTwitz Evidence has shown UK ignores pedagogy on a national level. #ukedchat RT @Monty_Math: Maybe putting reams of paper in 20:37:2 cherrylkd files on pgces is their way of preparing teachers for 0 useless paperwork? #ukedchat > maybe @Gwenelope @eyebeams @NatashaCowan You learn 20:37:2 sjwilk a lot from different schools - this is why courses provide 1 at least 2 placements #ukedchat Rather shocked at the lack of genuine appreciation of 20:37:2 Edutronic_Net the value of higher education over on-the-job training. 6 #ukedchat 20:37:2 @PeterSpencer88 not all of them in my experience... DrMeganCrawford 8 #ukedchat @reflectivemaths: @LearningSpy @canonsopp I don't 20:37:33 CanonsOPP think the pgce is an exam nor should it be treated like one. #ukedchat >> Exactly that. Initial teachers Training depends on the school and 20:37:35 urban_teacher mentor. The best practices is when schools are positive and provide support. #ukedchat #ukedchat @Educationchat so your large sample of 7 20:37:45 ethinking allows you to extrapolate to the performance of all trainees country wide? @nmckain ensure your pgce students see other 20:37:48 reflectivemaths subjects and get to follow a pupil for a day. #ukedchat @reflectivemaths Lots of things are not exams and yet 20:37:48 LearningSpy are graded. Why not PGCE? #ukedchat @Michael_Merrick Problem with subject specific is all 20:37:50 harryp25 subjects train you in an 'ideal world' fashion which ultimately is untenable #ukedchat #ukedchat mentors and trainees should be encouraged 20:37:54 peter8green to get external observers from different departments but also different schools and uni @cherrylkd @Gwenelope @learningspy @canonsopp 20:37:57 iPGCE I've heard the same thing. Apparently poor teachers end up in the inner city schools #ukedchat I think young teachers need to learn to communicate 20:37:58 oliverquinlan clearly, to be critical thinkers & to understand how
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learning works. #ukedchat http://t.co/ZWgLw6L3 CloudOn app brings you Microsoft 20:38:06 workingtonboy office on your iPad. #edtech #edchat #ukedchat @LisaTaner #ukedchat BEcause of time and bandwidth 20:38:11 mikeatedji pressures I'd suggest. Obv there's some fragmented good practice nonetheless 20:38:13 MrsPrentice11 what's the topic? #ukedchat #alwayslate @cherrylkd @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Why is that? 20:38:15 Gwenelope I work in v. deprived area, quality of my teaching has improved year on year. #ukedchat 20:38:2 @eyebeams thats why it used to be Initial Teacher DrMeganCrawford 1 Education methinks? #ukedchat The medical profession has university hospitals. Should 20:38:2 ICTwitz the education sector have university schools? 2 #ukedchat 20:38:2 #ukedchat @Educationchat doesn't it also speak to the ethinking 4 quality of your shortlisting process? @cherrylkd @gwenelope @learningspy Not sure I 20:38:31 CanonsOPP agree with that. Some PGCEs are perfect for deprived areas. #ukedchat #ukedchat @ICTwitz Please share the evidence if you 20:38:41 oliverquinlan are going to cite it. What evidence? Best advice I got was "well you're a teacher, go teach 20:38:4 Monty_Math them something" - job is stimes made more complicated 2 than it is #ukedchat @reflectivemaths I've got a GTP in Sept. Pupil 20:38:43 nmckain shadowing first on the agenda! #ukedchat grading should reflect the development of the NQT 20:38:48 PhoenixSher surely at the start if their career. Wouldn't expect 'outstanding' from day 1 #ukedchat @CanonsOPP @nmckain Agreeed. Coaching culture 20:38:57 Cinderhills benefits everyone #ukedchat RT @Edutronic_Net: Rather shocked at the lack of 20:38:58 mrthomson genuine appreciation of the value of higher education over on-the-job training. #ukedchat #ukedchat Mentors need to recognise that their role is 20:38:5 MiltonSchwarz not to change or convert trainees, but to develop their 9 unique talents as educators. @LearningSpy #ukedchat if graduates are graded, they 20:39:1 LeilaGhaddab need targets, PD, and opportunity for re-assessment 2 later, to show improvement. 20:39:1 PeterSpencer88 @oliverquinlan I think some older teachers might need
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to do that as well... #ukedchat RT @CanonsOPP: @nmckain Coaching, coaching, coaching!!! Reflection upon reflection. #ukedchat @CanonsOPP I learned in deprived area and the experience prepared me for anything! #ukedchat @nmckain #ukedchat made always! #ukedchat there are many facets to being a outstanding teacher: classroom skills, backbone, understanding of theories to underpin descisions @DrMeganCrawford I think so - indeed.#ukedchat @nmckain @peter8green Both & Both, it depends on their passion, integrity and caring about our future adult citizens & sharing #ukedchat @MrsPrentice11 http://t.co/5QyyAAZK #ukedchat Lots of excellent points about impt role of mentors. Time to share practical top tips! #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat there are many facets to being a outstanding teacher: classroom skills, backbone, understanding of theories to underpin descisions @Cinderhills: @CanonsOPP @nmckain Agreeed. Coaching culture benefits everyone #ukedchat >> Only way to get true self-driven learner. @harryp25 I never received much subject specific training, nor did anyone else I know. So not sure if that's true or not #ukedchat @oliverquinlan I will dig it out for you. #ukedchat @MiltonSchwarz True but who tells the mentor that is their role? Where is there training to be a mentor coming from? #ukedchat @ICTwitz That sounds like a brilliant idea. Our rooms at university are made to resemble primary classrooms. #ukedchat Collaborative planning #ukedchat #therestore @CanonsOPP @cherrylkd @LearningSpy A deprived area doesn't necessarily mean riots in classrooms. #ukedchat Adult learning is often poorly differentiated. #ukedchat
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Resources in Teaching Music Highlight Teaching MissAPatterson Strategies #ukedchat #edchat #musiced http://t.co/g37nBmbu @JamesTheo @learningspy @mrdebarton I let you 20:40:2 MissJLud know in September (if you replace PGCE with GTP that 1 is!) #ukedchat RT @Edutronic_Net: Rather shocked at the lack of 20:40:2 oliverquinlan genuine appreciation of the value of higher education 3 over on-the-job training. #ukedchat @JanP65 #ukedchat being a mentor every so often 20:40:2 Kezmerrelda good for yr own practice- helps you to revaluate yr own 5 teaching. Recommend but is v tiring 20:40:2 @CanonsOPP @learningspy ATM we have to grade sjwilk 7 trainees for OFSTED accountability. #ukedchat RT @MiltonSchwarz: #ukedchat Mentors need to 20:40:2 recognise that their role is not to change or convert oliverquinlan 8 trainees, but to develop their unique talents as educators. RT @LeilaGhaddab: #ukedchat if graduates are 20:40:3 LearningSpy graded, they need targets, PD, & opportunity for 2 reassessment later >> fair enough 20:40:34 DrMeganCrawford @tja_10 you should be taking part in #ukedchat! @PhoenixSher that's what I mean, it should be same 20:40:37 SwayGrantham grading as ofsted but not expected in pgce year #ukedchat @LeilaGhaddab @learningspy So why not apply to all 20:40:48 CanonsOPP teachers as part of PM? #ukedchat @LearningSpy I'm prob being thick but can't think of 20:40:50 reflectivemaths examples. Coursework? I've often thought that's a joke. #ukedchat @SamanthaClewes @sjwilk @eyebeams 20:40:51 Gwenelope @NatashaCowan Did that too, think perhaps we (or I) should visit them more often. #ukedchat #ukedchat The trainees that enjoy the process see the 20:40:55 MiltonSchwarz point in all they're asked to do. They are allowed to add their own stamp! #ukedchat, it shouldn't all be about what we can teach 20:40:56 ePaceonline trainees, I think we can learn a lot from them too. Lecturers should still have a foot firmly in the door of the 20:41:01 Michael_Merrick classroom. And I mean the classroom. Not the school. The classroom. #ukedchat 20:41:05 cherrylkd @iPGCE @gwenelope @learningspy @canonsopp 20:40:1 9
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#ukedchat ooh no I didn't mean that. Just mean its harder to make 'out' trainee in poorer areas. @Cinderhills @mrpeel observation of the master before being accepted as jedi? Many can talk a good game! #ukedchat #ukedchat I would like to have been explicitly taught how to observe a lesson - this is something I only got to grips with as an NQT. In Sunderland I was asked to share with the next year's PGCE students. Here is that advice: http://t.co/2ouOYBkZ #ukedchat @reflectivemaths My GCSE maths coursework was certainly a joke #ukedchat #ukedchat anyone got any thoughts on the equity between QTS and QTLS? My qualification gives the latter, but schools don't seem aware #ukedchat @MoreEddoes @ICTwitz Why? Are you children? RT @MiltonSchwarz: #ukedchat Mentors need to recognise that their role is not to change or convert trainees, but to develop their unique talents as educators. @nmckain I'm a #gtp student from September and just had my induction day at uni. Am very interested in this discussion #ukedchat RT @Mr_Betts: Collaborative planning #therestore And collaborative teaching? Why are only trainees encouraged to do this #ukedchat #ukedchat @ICTwitz haven't you been reading about teaching schools? theres 200 of them around now - its Goves teaching hospital equivalent @Gwenelope @cherrylkd @learningspy Couldn't agree having been raised in one and only ever taught in them. #ukedchat RT @Kezmerrelda: @JanP65 #ukedchat being a mentor every so often good for yr own practice- helps you to revaluate yr own teaching. Recommend but is v tiring @ethinking Couldnt agree more and not all of these can be taught #ukedchat RT @LearningSpy: @reflectivemaths My GCSE maths coursework was certainly a joke #ukedchat
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RT @Edutronic_Net: #ukedchat I needed a rigorous academic foundation, independent input AND classroom experience to become a competent teacher. @SwayGrantham My PGCE was full of groupwork, flipcharts and ICT. Come to think of it, it was absolutely awful in that respect. #ukedchat I think training occurs best in schools - have learnt far more in school from other teachers than sat at uni in lecture #ukedchat How about the idea of getting people to be social orchestrators and co-opt subject specialists from outside schools. #ukedchat i.e.comp sci Assessment in Music #ukedchat #edchat #musiced http://t.co/ueuNji2g @LisaTaner #ukedchat could have said torturers alsoIt's not more education but the right kind that's needed, in answer to a previous point @LearningSpy @reflectivemaths key q is what purpose wld grading serve - wld it rly help find the best - support thm to get better #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat, it shouldnt all be about what we can teach trainees, I think we can learn a lot from them too. #ukedchat #ukedchat we need to stop talking about young teachers in isolation - if there's an incompetent bully in management they won't thrive @Flaps68 Not sure how that supports your argument that QTSshould be graded... #ukedchat RT @Gwenelope: @CanonsOPP @cherrylkd @LearningSpy A deprived area doesnt necessarily mean riots in classrooms.<--- absolutely #ukedchat @mikallaane @nmckain social skills are key alongside experience & ability to model good practice. Not always the case with mentors #ukedchat @lizdudley Sorry :(. This is new to me too. Never heard of QTLS. What does the L stand for? #ukedchat @LisaTaner #ukedchat Not by you I needed supportive schools, interested teachers w a range of styles & an understanding of pedagogy to help me make sense of it. #ukedchat @Monty_Math Why wouldn't it? #ukedchat
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7 20:42:3 8 20:42:4 2 20:42:4 2 20:42:4 9 20:42:5 0 20:42:5 0 mrdebarton ePaceonline MiltonSchwarz reflectivemaths CanonsOPP @Michael_Merrick #ukedchat That is the major problem - they don't - hence why #Gove is right to promote school based ITE. #ukedchat, any trainees on Twitter tonight? Tell us what you think is best. #ukedchat when interviewed for PGCE I was asked "why do you want to teach"? Wasn't asked that again for about 6 years... @Michael_Merrick @harryp25 my course had quite a lot of subject specific training. #ukedchat @sjwilk @learningspy But does that need to go only to Ofsted? Does it have to be given to trainees? Ds it have to go to schools? #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat there are many facets to being a outstanding teacher: classroom skills, backbone, understanding of theories to underpin descisions #ukedchat @Michael_Merrick lecturers ate in the classroom all the time. We just teach classrooms of slightly older people. RT @peter8green: social skills are key alongside experience & ability to model good practice. Not always the case with mentors #ukedchat @Gwenelope #ukedchat don't misunderstand. I'm just saying its easier as a trainee 2 gain outstanding grade when ch attend sch & want 2 learn I'm glad I did the PGCE route. Not for all, but I liked the mix of experiences I got. It made me clearer about the teacher I am. #ukedchat Embedding ICT into Music Education #ukedchat #edchat #musiced http://t.co/UBYON0fM @Educationchat @ethinking Coventry often recruits NQTs from Warwick Uni, one of the best in country. #ukedchat #ukedchat @Educationchat im reacting proportinately to your grossly exagerated charicature RT @Monty_Math: Think success of new trainees will depend on individual schools they find themselves in some great, some not so #ukedchat I have learnt so much this year from seeing my team managers interactions - more of this on pgce would
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have been valuable #ukedchat @PrimaryGTP2012 Wow ur school is getting in early! my uni has given me a reading list and a 'see you in sept email' #pgce #gtp #ukedchat @SMG61 That is why there needs to be more diversity and networking above/ beyond the school to communities outside #ukedchat Ok so if we just want trainees to be 'good enough' why do we grade teachers? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham @phoenixsher would 'requires improvement' = pass? #ukedchat #ukedchat if training was all school based then the quality of your experience would depend on the quality of the school. @LisaTaner #ukedchat Also it's David Orr's phrase but it underscores need for understanding of aims of edu beyond PISA scores! The impact of using ICT in music - teaching #ukedchat #edchat #musiced http://t.co/V5ocaue8 @MoreEddoes lifelong learning sector (post 16). However I teaching GCSE as well as A level #ukedchat @jwinchester25 #ukedchat I failed my second teaching practice! Shined in the third thanks to a great lady from Manchester! @iPGCE @PrimaryGTP2012 I know the Biz students in Sunderland got a CD-ROM and a half day training last month for Sept. #ukedchat I'm a PGCE girl, wanted to background of my degree first. Loved the course #ukedchat @ePaceonline A very good question! #ukedchat @cherrylkd @gwenelope Couldn't disagree more. All schools have those kids. Outstanding much more than enabling the fortunate. #ukedchat A grading culture tends to promote uniformity over diversity. #ukedchat @oliverquinlan isn't that like someone saying they can show how to teach reception because they once worked in nursing home? Silly #ukedchat ITT does not automatically mean young and green. People coming in with valuable experience. Learn from the other #ukedchat @hall_rhall So, don't grade trainees but do grade
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NQTs? Is this consistent? #ukedchat Pgce course found it hard to teach subject knowledge and actual pedagogy and struggled with this balance #ukedchat #ukedchat @BryanPHarrison @Educationchat im looking forward to when people express things accurately and reasonably instead of showing off @reflectivemaths #ukedchat, totally agree with this, important to see teaching from both sides of the teacher's desk. RT @SMG61: #ukedchat we need to stop talking about young teachers in isolation - if there's an incompetent bully in management they won't thrive @LearningSpy Because we have become Ofsted-lite. We only need to grade teaching. We choose to grade teachers. Difference. #ukedchat @ethinking But not at the same level as the medical profession #ukedchat That would then involve you guys, whereas Gove want to exclude unis Scariest thing about training in a school in how institutionalised you become. Saw GTPers become very blinkered and unquestioning #ukedchat RT @rapclassroom: A grading culture tends to promote uniformity over diversity. #ukedchat @LearningSpy we dont grade teachers David, we grade lessons #ukedchat Agree with that RT @Michael_Merrick: Needs to be more subject specific training and development - too much generic pedagogy #ukedchat @ePaceonline well said, how would #gove support this? #ukedchat @JanP65 please retweet the question! #ukedchat @cherrylkd The assumption you are still making is that children from deprived areas are anti-learning. #ukedchat RT @nmckain: ITT does not automatically mean young and green. People coming in with valuable experience. Learn from the other #ukedchat #ukedchat I have learnt far more in my year in a University than 2 in the classroom. Why? Given time and resources to study & reflect more. @LisaTaner #ukedchat So agree!
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#ukedchat #fallingstandards? @ethinking @ICTwitz It is a pity no-one from the teaching schools is here to give an insight #ukedchat #ukedchat @ePaceonline very true and thats will be the problem with this idea. We need teachers to be open minded from the start @dockers_hoops @LearningSpy #ukedchat I've not been in teaching very long.. but that sounds a bit naive to me! @LearningSpy Then the system has truly got it wrong. Lesson grade is about lesson not person. If not then its also about kids. #ukedchat @oliverquinlan that's interesting because I feel the opposite, learnt much more this year than pgce year #ukedchat @thought_weavers #ukedchat but the same is true of uni route - qulaity of uni and placement @hall_rhall So, don't have grades because rubbish trainees will be obvious? #ukedchat Ought to be instant dismissal for any lecturer teaching about Brain Gym. Or NLP. Or the Assessment Archipelago. #ukedchat Any trainees or people starting in September following? Last ten minutes. What have you made of discussion? #ukedchat @nmckain new to this.. how do I retweet my question? #ukedchat @SwayGrantham absolutely right. My just finished my GTP / PGCE much prefered being in school - but understand the need for uni #ukedchat @eyebeams ewwwww it just screams immature! #ukedchat @dockers_hoops No one believes that! #ukedchat Okay I'm putting this out there again - the problems of grading http://t.co/O3axuEL9 #ukedchat #ukedchat surely we never stop training. Good teachers continue to develop and evolve. @LeighAlmey #ukedchat We grade teachers because of external forces, not because it's necessarily useful to PD. - agree! @CanonsOPP @cherrylkd You are so very good at hitting nail on the head. One of our ex-pupils is at
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Cambridge. #ukedchat RT @nmckain: ITT does not automatically mean young and green. People coming in with valuable experience. Learn from the other #ukedchat RT @eyebeams: @ethinking @ICTwitz It is a pity noone from the teaching schools is here to give an insight. ANYBODY THERE? #ukedchat #ukedchat @Michael_Merrick And Actually I find teaching 8 yr olds & 18 yr olds not much different. Takes communication & reflection. @LearningSpy And definitely not splitting hairs. If it was then that's what Dweck's career has been built on. #ukedchat @oliverquinlan imagine being given that time while still teaching in school! #ukedchat #ukedchat Other key areas of ITT: Approaching curriculum and ed dogma with critical eye. + setting up for a long career, not just NQT post. "@ePaceonline #ukedchat I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat" So would experienced ones #ukedchat @Educationchat nicely spotted - well done @ethinking Thank you for your patronising engagement #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat Why is this discussion starting with assessment. Shouldnt we start with what they need to learn? @LeighAlmey: @dockers_hoops @LearningSpy #ukedchat I've not been in teaching very long but that sounds a bit naive to me! >> Viva navet. #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @Michael_Merrick Have you tried it? @Michael_Merrick Unless it's highlighting cod as opposed to real science ;) #ukedchat @reflectivemaths @phoenixsher officially I don't know but to me it sounds like a scraped pass to unfamiliar ears #ukedchat #ukedchat IMHO, the idea of the grading of teachers comes from a mistrust of the profession. RT @dockers_hoops: @LearningSpy we dont grade teachers David, we grade lessons #ukedchat
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@SwayGrantham #ukedchat, yes you are right. RT @LeighAlmey: @dockers_hoops @LearningSpy #ukedchat I've not been in teaching very long.. but that sounds a bit naive to me! @LearningSpy: @dockers_hoops No one believes that! #ukedchat >> I do. #Spartacus. ;)) @Gwenelope #ukedchat I'm not at all. I came from one myself. Total misunderstanding. RT @nmckain: Any trainees or people starting in September following? Last ten minutes. What have you made of discussion? #ukedchat #ukedchat I wonder how many criticizing University & saying lecturers should get in the classroom have actually seen Uni courses recently? #ukedchat I assess for QTS and mentor the mentors in a teaching school. Is this what you mean? @Gwenelope *takes bow*. Thanks. #ukedchat Have you heard of SLE's http://t.co/KDLX0wsB #ukedchat #ukedchat @BryanPHarrison @educationchat i logically follow the line of argument you make - no exaggeration @CanonsOPP @LearningSpy #ukedchat Agree that's what it SHOULD be about - but we all know SLT have a spreadsheet with our grades in it. @dockers_hoops @learningspy and after a few observations, you don't say 'he's a good teacher'? #ukedchat @GrahamCarterGC im starting in September for a PGCE and tbh there seems like a lot of jargon - barrier to entry on twitter! #ukedchat #ukedchat @Michael_Merrick As was mine, & I appreciate a polite debate & not being called silly. #ukedchat Many employers offering 'temporary' contracts. Truth is, no training will compare with reality of ur own class, at the coal face. @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP #ukedchat And often not even us as teachers, but us as individuals, or as obstacles in someone's career path. @mrpeel What does your mentoring of the mentors
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involve? #ukedchat RT @LearningSpy: @dockers_hoops No one believes that! #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat I wonder how many criticizing University & saying lecturers should get in the classroom have actually seen Uni courses recently? @oliverquinlan Ah yes, but practicing teachers see uni tutors come in to observe, and pass students who are clearly not up to job! #ukedchat Check out #therestore for students starting #PGCE (not just RE!) in September #ukedchat #ukedchat I would have benefitted from less "theory" and more practical training - both important, but one is used EVERY DAY A great debate on teacher training/trainees on #ukedchat now. Any NQTs/students get involved quick! :) @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP I've never found the grade in my observations valuable. I've almost always found the feedback valuable. #ukedchat @iPGCE @GrahamCarterGC Welcome to teaching. The acronym capital of the job world! #ukedchat I'd like to see a blend of school experience with critical overview and awareness provided through uni sessions #ukedchat #ukedchat @LearningSpy Perhaps the interview process needs to be more testing! RT @CanonsOPP: @LearningSpy Then the system [is] wrong. Lesson grade is about lesson not person. If not then its also about kids. #ukedchat #ukedchat If we judge a lesson satisfactory we don't tell kids that they are satisfactory.Why would we tell the teacher they are? #ukedchat @iPGCE It's well worth taking the time to get to grip with twitter. There are so many teachers on here. I've learned & shared lots #ukedchat RT @nohandsup: I'd like to see a blend of school experience with critical overview and awareness provided through uni sessions #ukedchat @oliverquinlan @michael_merrick I train teachers too. It's a different environment. #ukedchat Is enjoying the discussion #ukedchat makes it slightly
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daunting for nqt MT @JamesTheo: @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Ive never found the grade valuable. Ive almost always found the feedback valuable. #ukedchat @cherrylkd That is certainly how it read. Trouble with twitter, pragmatics can be hard to detect. #ukedchat @nmckain LOL! So true! #ukedchat RT @Berlinero1: #ukedchat I would have benefitted from less "theory" and more practical training - both important, but one is used EVERY DAY Will trainees get any say in which school they go to? Would be so hard to train in one that doesn't match your approach. #ukedchat @Flaps68 no. A satisfactory lesson does not equate to a satisfactory teacher. #ukedchat RT @Dan_Aldred: #ukedchat surely we never stop training. Good teachers continue to develop and evolve. @CapitaTeachers Im starting my PGCE in sept and on this #ukedchat there seems mostly to be theory talking over practical advice in the class @CanonsOPP @cinderhills @nmckain fully agree #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat there are many facets to being a outstanding teacher: classroom skills, backbone, understanding of theories to underpin descisions @JamesTheo @learningspy And please god we don't train our new teachers to not see that. #ukedchat @iPGCE @grahamcartergc twitter can be confusing at first but so is Maths before you learn how! Welcome to the best cpd out there #ukedchat @Dan_Aldred so very very true! And those that think otherwise will not be inspiring pupils #ukedchat #ukedchat @Educationchat your point was the usual - it has all gone down hill etc etc #ukedchat @Berlinero1 @ if theory isnt assimilated & used every day then I despair. @JamesTheo @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Agreed. I thought @learningspy was all about the 'growth mindset'? Or is this devil's advocacy? #ukedchat @0engteacher0 That is a great question. Not every
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teacher is suited to every school. Same with trainees #ukedchat @GrahamCarterGC @nmckain #ukedchat I'll have to give it a good going over during the 6-week hols to make sure i am up 2 date! @eyebeams @ethinking @ictwitz #ukedchat I'm from TS. The teaching sch model works well. Different to training teachers. It's peer mentoring Everything else on my PGCE course is graded (written work etc), so why not my teaching? #ukedchat @nmckain @iPGCE Used to work in financial services. Teaching acronyms took a while to grasp. It's all about students/pupils #ukedchat RT @CanonsOPP: #ukedchat If we judge a lesson satisfactory we don't tell kids that they are satisfactory.Why would we tell the teacher they are? #ukedchat @hall_rhall We're you? I wasn't. #ukedchat Just 5 minutes left of #ukedchat. Final thoughts? What do you do with a grade? Boast about it? Wear it as a badge? Hide it away as you don't want people to know? #ukedchat @rapclassroom @jamestheo @learningspy @learningspy I have my suspicions along those lines. I hope so. #ukedchat RT @CanonsOPP Then the system [is] wrong. Lesson grade is about lesson not teacher. #ukedchat <should be, but isn't #ukedchat Teacher training is about recognising that what the teacher does is totally secondary to what the kids are doing. No 'one size'. Last five mins. Trainees and NQTs want less jargon and more practical ideas. Any final thoughts on how to devleop new staff #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat @Berlinero1 @ if theory isnt assimilated & used every day then I despair. #ukedchat @JamesTheo @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP As long as feedback constructive, it's not always! #ukedchat #ukedchat @ICTwitz not patronising - don't stand in speaker's corner (twitter), shout nonsense and expect to be slapped on the back
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ITT and CPD should try connecting with informal Coxithefish learning sector to share engagement techniques and contemporary subject knowledge #ukedchat #ukedchat PGCE trainees at my school last yr had only missjshunter taught 2 lessons by January - doing the GTP I'll be on a 50% timetable by then #ukedchat If teachers are not underpinning what they oliverquinlan do with theory & criticality then are we a profession? @CanonsOPP @dockers_hoops And a fairy dies when LearningSpy we say we don't believe in them #ukedchat A plea to all trainees - worry about how the chn are Monty_Math doing not yr own performance - we need to get away from obsess with grading! #ukedchat @oliverquinlan #ukedchat You make fair point but Ive mikeatedji just been in Uni graded outstanding and many Lecturers not had recent experience of sch @0engteacher0 I disagree, best learning experiences SwayGrantham can be out of comfort zone as long as supported - need a range of experiences #ukedchat #ukedchat @ICTwitz you saind something incorrect in ethinking public - i corrected you - in public #ukedchat. Late joining discussion but I liked that Stueyteach1 PGCE involved community w fellow students. Entirely SBT might be isolating/limiting RT @oldandrewuk: @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP Gwenelope #ukedchat And often not even us as teachers, but us as individuals, or as obstacles in someone's career path. @Gwenelope #ukedchat Yes. It's like texting. Open to cherrylkd misinterpretation. #ukedchat @missjshunter that says it all - just take care mrpeel you're not on more! RT @nohandsup: I'd like to see a blend of school caroljallen experience with critical overview and awareness provided through uni sessions #ukedchat ICTwitz @ethinking Very objective of you. Thank you #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat If teachers are not mikeatedji underpinning what they do with theory & criticality then are we a profession? @0engteacher0 #ukedchat trainees need to be able to mrdebarton readily adapt to a range of environments. We train teachers to teach across the system. DrMeganCrawford RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat If teachers are not
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underpinning what they do with theory & criticality then are we a profession? #ukedchat @Dan_Aldred There is never an end point to either teaching or learning. #ukedchat @0engteacher0. What if your students don't match your approach will you change them? Teachers have to be adaptable. #ukedchat @nmckain @jamestheo @learningspy @canonsopp personally I like the grade, as long as I know why and how to get to the next...#ukedchat If ever we need to remember that we are about lifelong learning it's about how we train the next generation of ourselves. #ukedchat #ukedchat @cherrylkd @eyebeams teaching schools have a remit for develping research informed teaching @Gwenelope @LearningSpy @CanonsOPP No, you are right. I've had obs with a grade and no targets for progression. What use is that? #ukedchat RT @LeighAlmey: @CanonsOPP @LearningSpy #ukedchat Agree that's what it SHOULD be about - but we all know SLT have a spreadsheet with our grades in it. @ICTwitz @oliverquinlan University tutors do not pass/fail trainees. Mentors train and assess; university is there to moderate. #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat If teachers are not underpinning what they do with theory & criticality then are we a profession? RT @mrpeel: @Stueyteach1 agree - i set up blog group for our GTPs-works well #ukedchat @ethinking I bow to your superiority, and your vast number of years teaching children in a school classroom environment #ukedchat Its easy to say, but to all new trainees, don't take criticism to heart if you can help it. #ukedchat @nmckain #ukedchat Explicit guidance on how to observe lessons - let the student give feedback to their mentor. @JamesTheo Let it eat away at you? Avoid risk as a result? Fail to sleep at night? Leave the profession? #ukedchat #ukedchat That said, I would never have chosen it
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straight out of university - both SCITT and PGCE have their place for different trainees RT @eyebeams: @Dan_Aldred There is never an end point to either teaching or learning. #ukedchat RT @GrahamCarterGC: "@ePaceonline #ukedchat I think trainee teachers should all come on twitter , they would learn a lot. #ukedchat" So would experienced ones RT @eyebeams: @Dan_Aldred "There is never an end point to either teaching or learning." Philosophical note to end on! #ukedchat #ukedchat Trainees! Hold true to the reasons u wanted to teach originally... Focus on the children and opening doors to learning... having lurked my way thru' tonight's #ukedchat, seems to me that some people are bit end-of-termish... grouchy and argumentative... :( #ukedchat dialogue is vital in the school and mentor must want the reponsibility @hall_rhall Ooh. Using my own blog against me. A low blow. #ukedchat @LeighAlmey Thanks! #ukedchat @Gwenelope @jamestheo @learningspy @canonsopp ideally, feedback should come from the one who taught the lesson #ukedchat @nmckain Coaching, 15 minute forums, teachmeets, peer observations, school visits, action research, coconstruction with students #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat there are many facets to being a outstanding teacher: classroom skills, backbone, understanding of theories to underpin descisions @sjwilk @ictwitz @oliverquinlan universities adapt from their own judgements though? I had some things changed by university staff #ukedchat @ethinking @eyebeams #ukedchat yes they do. And for working to raise standard for all ch not just those in own sch @DrMeganCrawford @oliverquinlan Our professional standards are imposed upon us. I prefer 'integrity' to 'professionalism.' #ukedchat #ukedchat another concern in relation to the constant
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assessment culture here is the degree to which it discourages innovation nmckain @SwayGrantham Thanks! #ukedchat @LearningSpy @dockers_hoops That's dangerously CanonsOPP close to sarcastic trolling. #ukedchat RT @oliverquinlan: #ukedchat If teachers are not Janshs underpinning what they do with theory & criticality then are we a profession? nmckain @shaun_allison Thanks! #ukedchat @eslweb #ukedchat as a trainee ... "feedback is the mrdebarton breakfast of champions" - trainees must be receptive and resilient. One last thing, you've got time this holiday. Make sure eslweb your subject knowledge is spot on NOW... You won't have time later. #ukedchat Trainees - watch as much teaching as you can and DidgeH store up the best of what you see so that you can use it in your own way #ukedchat Can't believe I saw this today! #ukedchat thechrissyt http://t.co/FJmmHYbX Join @gavinsmart for #ukedchat @ the same time next ukedchat week to discuss 'Things members of community could do to engage with education? Thu @8pm @LeighAlmey @CanonsOPP @LearningSpy SLT are Cinderhills teachers too! *ducks* #ukedchat @Edutronic_Net #ukedchat innovation is implicit in mrpeel standards - 3rd term should allow as much a spossible How many great teachers are in it for the money? Get Bunks11 rid of enormous bursaries just for 1st class degrees. #ukedchat @rapclassroom the standards may be, but is DrMeganCrawford 'professionalism' itself? #ukedchat JanP65 nmckain SwayGrantham oliverquinlan mikeatedji @eslweb Good advice! #ukedchat @DidgeH Top point. Thanks #ukedchat @bellaale I agree has seemed a bit full on at times, perhaps it's the topic as well... #ukedchat #ukedchat @rapclassroom @DrMeganCrawford you dont think teachers are professionals then? #ukedchat I think beginning teachers need more exploration of education for living in sustainable
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manner, just in case anyone missed that @ukedchat thanks for my first #ukedchat. great to be invovled. Just thought I'd say how impressed I am by @nmckain first ukedchat hosting. Well played sir #ukedchat It's 9pm & #ukedchat must come to a close. Huge thanks to @nmckain for hosting. The archive will be available soon at http://t.co/vG5ode2Q
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